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Can the Evo sync with a computer like the Motorola Atrix?

So I just watched a video on the Motorola Atrix, and Wow! I want those features. I'm wondering if any of the geniuses here at xda are working on, or know of a way to make the evo sync with a laptop like the Atrix does with it's netbook type device. This would be amazing. Syncing it with the tv like they do with the Atrix would also be a plus. Is this something Google is behind, or is this all motorola? either way it's pretty sweet, but I like Sprint, and not so much At&t. not interested in trading my new phone either, but man that stuff looks useful. Hope someone has some ideas, thanx.

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hurrycaine3000 said:
So I just watched a video on the Motorola Atrix, and Wow! I want those features. I'm wondering if any of the geniuses here at xda are working on, or know of a way to make the evo sync with a laptop like the Atrix does with it's netbook type device. This would be amazing. Syncing it with the tv like they do with the Atrix would also be a plus. Is this something Google is behind, or is this all motorola? either way it's pretty sweet, but I like Sprint, and not so much At&t. not interested in trading my new phone either, but man that stuff looks useful. Hope someone has some ideas, thanx.
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Nope, can't do that. There is however an app available now (it's in beta version) that allows full hdmi mirroring to a tv. You just need the app, a special kernel, and an hdmi cable. I've been using it lately, it works nicely. Search in the development section for "full hdmi out"

it would be really amazing, and worth some money to me, if one of the bright minds at xda put their mind on trying to make something like that work for the evo. it would seem that your just porting the software, but that's why i'm not cooking roms. I just don't know enough about the limitations

Last I heard it doesn't "sync" with the netbook. What it does is function like a laptop dock; the netbook takes over as the input device(s) and screen for the phone.
I could be mistaken though.
However, in the event that I'm right, all you would need is the full HDMI out to a HDMI-capable display, and a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Of course, since Sense is crappy closed-source on everything but the kernel, you can't really implement this too well. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a "webtop" mode in CM8 though...

drmacinyasha said:
Last I heard it doesn't "sync" with the netbook. What it does is function like a laptop dock; the netbook takes over as the input device(s) and screen for the phone.
I could be mistaken though.
However, in the event that I'm right, all you would need is the full HDMI out to a HDMI-capable display, and a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Of course, since Sense is crappy closed-source on everything but the kernel, you can't really implement this too well. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a "webtop" mode in CM8 though...
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Nice, so in theory Gingerbread could do it? if that is the case however, the $499 retail price on that netbook looking device that the phone docks into, is pretty steep for a screen and a keyboard. guess I'll have to wait and see what comes a long in the months following.

While were on the topic of "atrixing" the Evo, why hasn't there been more monitors released with an HDMI IN feature (like a TV). I cant seem to find anything that looks compact enough to make a small lapdock without looking ghettofied.

norkoastal said:
While were on the topic of "atrixing" the Evo, why hasn't there been more monitors released with an HDMI IN feature (like a TV). I cant seem to find anything that looks compact enough to make a small lapdock without looking ghettofied.
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http://www.newegg.com/
Your argument is invalid.
--Swyped from my EVO

First let me say the Atrix is cool, and it's awesome to see a new cool design like this. BUT, the dock is basically a monitor, a keyboard, and a battery. It adds nothing to the computing power of the phone, and at $500 you could have netbook or a tablet that's more capable. That being said,i still think it's pretty damn cool.
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To those that said it can't be done, wrong, try again. Updated hardware aside, ALL Snapdragon based devices with a usb port can do what the Atrix does from a hardware standpoint, ALL OF THEM. Here's why, the Snapdragon family has usb host built into design.
Here's what's missing:
1. USB host (software)
2. Standard USB device drivers (they do exist)
3. Full UI out via USB to DVI adapter for device without A/V out ports (hmm, software)
4. For devices with A/V out ports, a cable and, let me guess, software
5. Lastly, a KB/mouse, USB hub and a screen or combine the three and you have the Atrix lapdock
The core tech is available, has been for close to 10 years now.

Guys the "laptop dock" is actually a full blown netbook that is software crippled. The only thing it uses the phone for is the internet connection and file storage.

Rakeesh_j said:
Guys the "laptop dock" is actually a full blown netbook that is software crippled. The only thing it uses the phone for is the internet connection and file storage.
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That's incorrect the "laptop dock" its just a shell housing a screen, keyboard, trackpad, and a battery. Its powered by the phones hardware, and a hidden linux os that is built into the phone.
Would be cool to have something similar on the Evo. But I wouldnt pay $500 for a dock that's insane. 0.o

Cole28 said:
That's incorrect the "laptop dock" its just a shell housing a screen, keyboard, trackpad, and a battery. Its powered by the phones hardware, and a hidden linux os that is built into the phone.
Would be cool to have something similar on the Evo. But I wouldnt pay $500 for a dock that's insane. 0.o
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I think it's stupid. Just buy a dual core netbook for $325, use dropbox, and tether your phone to it. Same thing. Plus you don't have to deal with Moto's bum ass Linux build.
What I'm waiting for is a dock/sync that scales Android/iOS/WebOS/WP7 to a desktop OS. WebOS and maybe WP7/Windows8 look like the most likely to get it right the soonest.

Putting usb hub inside the TF

If you've ever opened up the TF, you'd very quickly realized that there's a lot of unused room in there. I found a 64gb flash drive from walmart for about $60 a piece. Got 3 of these. That gives me almost 200 GB.
I've been doodling with the idea of putting a usb hub inside the TF and then solder these flash drives onto it. Making room for the whole setup is no problem. Like I said, there's a lot of unused space in there. The problem is I don't know how to connect a usb hub inside there for the tablet to recognize it. Any idea guys?

goodintentions said:
If you've ever opened up the TF, you'd very quickly realized that there's a lot of unused room in there. I found a 64gb flash drive from walmart for about $60 a piece. Got 3 of these. That gives me almost 200 GB.
I've been dooling with the idea of putting a usb hub inside the TF and then solder these flash drives onto it. Making room for the whole setup is no problem. Like I said, there's a lot of unused space in there. The problem is I don't know how to connect a usb hub inside there for the tablet to recognize it. Any idea guys?
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i have a similar project in the works. i just wonder if we have a limit as to what size (storage) usb drive we use i want to try a usb powered 1tb hard drive...the possibilities would be endless.
one other idea i have no clue of how and if possible. but you know the EXT.(as internal) SD mod, what if we could find a way to do that with the usb storage.think of 1tb of storage("internally")!!!!!!

kevhuff said:
i have a similar project in the works. i just wonder if we have a limit as to what size (storage) usb drive we use i want to try a usb powered 1tb hard drive...the possibilities would be endless.
one other idea i have no clue of how and if possible. but you know the EXT.(as internal) SD mod, what if we could find a way to do that with the usb storage.think of 1tb of storage("internally")!!!!!!
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I've already done what you're talking about. I've already put 500gb, 750gb, and 1T HDD into the docking station while keeping the batteries.
What I'm talking about is putting flash drives inside the TF itself, not the dock.

yeh but im taking the dock apart and putting it inside like you are saying inside the tab that would better i think you idea is better.
i think both in conjunction would be insane!

kevhuff said:
yeh but im taking the dock apart and putting it inside like you are saying inside the tab that would better i think you idea is better.
i think both in conjunction would be insane!
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http://www.androidauthority.com/talented-modder-crams-500gb-hard-drive-into-asus-transformer-25981/

Love the dock mod but the images isnt working in the thread
But getting the TF to recognize the usb hub should be that complicated.
You'd probably need the usb host adapter (or make one yourself, if possible, idk).
Then it should just be a matter of soldering the adapter to the correct pins on the docking connector.
You might need a switch of some sort to tell the TF when to be host and when to be slave.
I dont own the usb host adapter myself yet, so Im not sure how the TF acts with the adapter connected.
Maybe its still possible to charge and sync even though the adapter is connected.

Goodintentions your the man you beat me to it ill post some pics when I get myne done

kevhuff said:
Goodintentions your the man you beat me to it ill post some pics when I get myne done
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OMG, you're going to be like apple aren't you? You're going to get a pattent for it and then you're going to sue me...

you couldnt pay me enough to be anything like Crapple not a fan of the mainstream overated Os's/products

kevhuff said:
you couldnt pay me enough to be anything like Crapple not a fan of the mainstream overated Os's/products
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Haha, we'll see.
I've figured out a way to solder in a usb board and connect a hub to it to add those 128gb flash drives. After spending all night going through the plans, I'm abandoning the thought of putting it into the TF itself. I'll be putting those flash drives into the keyboard dock, though. Solid state drives are certainly much better than the spin discs. Let's see, 128gb x 4 = 512gb of flash drive space... won't suck up my battery much and aren't prone to damage due to movement like the HDD.
Stay tuned for the result!

goodintentions said:
Haha, we'll see.
I've figured out a way to solder in a usb board and connect a hub to it to add those 128gb flash drives. After spending all night going through the plans, I'm abandoning the thought of putting it into the TF itself. I'll be putting those flash drives into the keyboard dock, though. Solid state drives are certainly much better than the spin discs. Let's see, 128gb x 4 = 512gb of flash drive space... won't suck up my battery much and aren't prone to damage due to movement like the HDD.
Stay tuned for the result!
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Man, you have balls modding out your dock like that I was impressed with your first dock mod of sticking that 500GB hard drive in it. Did you ever go back to that idea with doubling the battery life in the dock? I recall following that thread reading your updates and you got to a point where you said screw it.

traumbrecher said:
Man, you have balls modding out your dock like that I was impressed with your first dock mod of sticking that 500GB hard drive in it. Did you ever go back to that idea with doubling the battery life in the dock? I recall following that thread reading your updates and you got to a point where you said screw it.
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Without people like me who like to push things to their limits, we'd still be writing with hammer and chisel on stone.

There's 2 questions that come to mind.
1) Will any of the USB ports support a USB hub? I seem to remember there being some issues with this, but I honestly can't remember anymore...
2) Will you lose the use of 1 of the USB ports on the tablet?
I'm inclined to say that most likely 2 will happen, unless you're very VERY good at modifying the boards and don't mind cutting trace, possibly. If I knew I could afford another keyboard dock, I'd be doing this right now. Sadly, I can't. =/
EDIT:Well, in a quick check with my ****ty USB hub, it didn't like any of my USB sticks, then saw 1 of them but none of the files on it, then just kept showing that 1 stick no matter what I put in it. I'm rebooting, but I'm kinda thinking it doesn't like the USB hub I have, or doesnt' support them?
EDIT2: Seems that it only lets me see 1 USB drive at a time. No matter what I did (outside of using the port on the other side). I kinda think either my USB Hub isn't working well (works fine on my PC) with the TF, or it just doesn't support it for some reason. Or more to the point, it seems it only supports 1 USB disk drive per USB port on the dock. If I put 1 drive in each port I get USBdisk1 and USBdisk2. Perhaps it's an OS issue or a TF issue in some way as far as software? One would think you could get more than 1 USB disk on each port though.

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goodintentions said:
Without people like me who like to push things to their limits, we'd still be writing with hammer and chisel on stone.
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So true. And without Android...we would probably be using a single core under 1Ghz. I still remember people saying "why do you need that much power?" Then..."who needs dual cores"...now..."quad core? Forget about it!" Hahahaha

darkhawkff said:
There's 2 questions that come to mind.
1) Will any of the USB ports support a USB hub? I seem to remember there being some issues with this, but I honestly can't remember anymore...
2) Will you lose the use of 1 of the USB ports on the tablet?
I'm inclined to say that most likely 2 will happen, unless you're very VERY good at modifying the boards and don't mind cutting trace, possibly. If I knew I could afford another keyboard dock, I'd be doing this right now. Sadly, I can't. =/
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You really ought to read my hard mod thread. All of this has been discussed very thoroughly there. 2 Will happen. So what? There's 2 usb slots. Lose a usb slot to trade for 500gb storage space.
But that's why I put in a switch to turn on and off the hard drive. When the hard drive is off, the usb is usable.

goodintentions said:
You really ought to read my hard mod thread. All of this has been discussed very thoroughly there. 2 Will happen. So what? There's 2 usb slots. Lose a usb slot to trade for 500gb storage space.
But that's why I put in a switch to turn on and off the hard drive. When the hard drive is off, the usb is usable.
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I did read your thread...you probably don't remember me asking similar questions before
Honestly though, read the few edits I put above....I kinda think this won't work the way you want it to...seems to be some kind of strange software issue in regards to USBdisk's, for some reason.
EDIT:I guess it COULD work, if you could mount them somehow. I'm not sure how the addressing and such works, and honestly my linux knowledge isn't what it used to be. I guess what I'm saying is it could be done, I'm just not personally sure how in software. If you figure it out though, let me know. I'm sure I'd be interested.

Any chance you could reupload the images for your HDD mod?
Shame you abandoned the idea of putting the hub inside the TF, that wouldve been very interesting.

USB host mode?

Has there been anymore movement on USB Host mode for HTC Evo Shift?
I know it's not the most popular phone, but I'd still like to see this feature!

As far as I know this has not been enabled yet on the Shift. I may be wrong, but I think it has to be enabled in the Kernel.

Yeah it is a kernel enabled feature... I can't promise anything...
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What is USB host mode? Never heard of it
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YoungCorruptionV2.0 said:
What is USB host mode? Never heard of it
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From what I've gathered so far, you can plug in a thumb drive and it will read it... I'm still reading and researching how to get it enabled...
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YoungCorruptionV2.0 said:
What is USB host mode? Never heard of it
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It would allow the phone to act as a "host", much like a USB port on a PC. This would allow your phone to access external storage (like a thumb drive or digital camera), USB accessories (like mice and keyboards) or transmit audio through the USB (for audiophiles who want to use their DACs and amplifiers).

It would be a nice feature, and really useful at times. You can achieve almost the same thing with Bluetooth enabled devices. But not nearly as quickly. Also with Bluetooth obviously both devices need to have Bluetooth. Plus all the BS that goes with it. USB Host Mode would make it considerably easier. Plug and play so to speak.

prboy1969 said:
It would be a nice feature, and really useful at times. You can achieve almost the same thing with Bluetooth enabled devices. But not nearly as quickly. Also with Bluetooth obviously both devices need to have Bluetooth. Plus all the BS that goes with it. USB Host Mode would make it considerably easier. Plug and play so to speak.
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I'm definitely gonna attempt (if it's possible) to get this added...
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MrLinky said:
It would allow the phone to act as a "host", much like a USB port on a PC. This would allow your phone to access external storage (like a thumb drive or digital camera), USB accessories (like mice and keyboards) or transmit audio through the USB (for audiophiles who want to use their DACs and amplifiers).
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Thats sounds like a good deal lol

Biggest issue with usbhost is power. Most devices you'll. Need a powered usb hub to be able to power devices you plug in.

hamagc said:
Biggest issue with usbhost is power. Most devices you'll. Need a powered usb hub to be able to power devices you plug in.
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I was looking around, and they seem fairly reasonable price wise. Especially for how versatile it makes your device.

[Q] MicroUSB Flash Drives

Super-n00b question;
Is there any way of knowing at the moment whether something like this would [or wouldn't] work with the Nexus 10?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Verbatim-44...1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1352379380&sr=1-4
Thanks.

If you get a USB OTG adapter and root the N10 then yes. That's just a normal USB flash drive, like any other.
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Thanks. That has a MicroSD connection of course, so I assume by USB OTG Adapter, you mean something software-wise as opposed to a physical hardware adapter?

Barguast said:
Thanks. That has a MicroSD connection of course, so I assume by USB OTG Adapter, you mean something software-wise as opposed to a physical hardware adapter?
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I think you misunderstand. By "Micro" they mean it's really small. It's still got a standard size USB connector on the end, so you need a USB OTG cable to connect it to the microUSB port on the tablet.
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This is the cable; http://www.amazon.co.uk/T-Flash-Ada...NQXS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352381003&sr=8-1
This is a better picture of your "micro" adapter: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/customer...PAR5SLVO/B0031YFK5C/ref=cm_ciu_images_pl_link

Sorry to butt in but my Nexus 7 is not rooted and I'm using the OTG adapter with a usb to view/copy photos and more.
There's an app that allows you to use it without root
Free version to test if it woks > Nexus Photo Viewer: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t.nexususb.viewer&feature=more_from_developer
and the full version is Nexus Media importer

Rage1ofakind said:
Sorry to butt in but my Nexus 7 is not rooted and I'm using the OTG adapter with a usb to view/copy photos and more.
There's an app that allows you to use it without root
Free version to test if it woks > Nexus Photo Viewer: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t.nexususb.viewer&feature=more_from_developer
and the full version is Nexus Media importer
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That's great news, I was under the impression this app used to require rooting. No difference to me, I'd never touch an unrooted Android device, but great for those who don't like to "fiddle".

alias_neo said:
I think you misunderstand. By "Micro" they mean it's really small. It's still got a standard size USB connector on the end, so you need a USB OTG cable to connect it to the microUSB port on the tablet.
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Ah. Yes, you're right. Thanks for pointing that out!
Just realised I've got the title totally wrong too 'MicroSD' > 'Micro USB'. :silly:

It is unfortunate that the marketing department of some storage manufacturers abuse the term "micro usb flash drive" for regular usb flash drives that are small.
I also hope they some day produce flash drives with native Micro-USB connectors, preferably extending needed enclosure to the sides of the connector, not in length like traditional (even small) flash drives. Even with the upcoming crowd funded MicroSD to Micro-USB adapter, it would always live in fear of accidently breaking it. I'd rather have some 16 or 32 GB Micro-USB stick that is half-moon-shaped and only a few tiny millimeters long, but could extend say 2 centimeters alongside the tablet.

PlanetJumble said:
It is unfortunate that the marketing department of some storage manufacturers abuse the term "micro usb flash drive" for regular usb flash drives that are small.
I also hope they some day produce flash drives with native Micro-USB connectors, preferably extending needed enclosure to the sides of the connector, not in length like traditional (even small) flash drives. Even with the upcoming crowd funded MicroSD to Micro-USB adapter, it would always live in fear of accidently breaking it. I'd rather have some 16 or 32 GB Micro-USB stick that is half-moon-shaped and only a few tiny millimeters long, but could extend say 2 centimeters alongside the tablet.
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It is unfortunate, what would be nice, is something that plugs all the way in, and then fits against the body of the device so it's snug and protected with no chance of breaking or getting knocked off, wrapping slightly around the contour. I'm pretty sure now I think about it, that this is what you meant by "half moon", perhaps "crescent moon" would be a better term?

Erm.. yes, I was struggling to find the right words to describe what I had in mind. Whatever has to be outside of the connector due to technical reasons should offer as little added profile with as few edges as possible.

Rage1ofakind said:
Sorry to butt in but my Nexus 7 is not rooted and I'm using the OTG adapter with a usb to view/copy photos and more.
There's an app that allows you to use it without root
Free version to test if it woks > Nexus Photo Viewer: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t.nexususb.viewer&feature=more_from_developer
and the full version is Nexus Media importer
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Is this legal? Well, from Google's point of view anyway cause it's up to them to allow or take down such app. I'm not into rooting for warranty concerns, so how sure is that this app will be supported/left untouched? Major buying point unrooted external storage access for me.

As all the app does is mount the external storage and copying or streaming data from it, I can't see anything illegal there.

Rooting isn't illegal, nor are any apps that use it, the app isn't going anywhere, at worst you will lose warranty, but to be fair, it's a nexus device, you're kind of expected to root it.
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"at worst you will lose warranty" - yeah, that's exactly what I don't want with a $500 device.
Does mentioned app enable you to browse storage and play content with whatever player you choose?

BoneXDA said:
"at worst you will lose warranty" - yeah, that's exactly what I don't want with a $500 device.
Does mentioned app enable you to browse storage and play content with whatever player you choose?
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It's easy enough to unroot, nobody need ever know you did it and technically voided it. Like I said, that's worst case.
As for the app, never used it personally so ill let someone else chime in.
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The app he asked about isn't working with root at all (so no write access). Perfectly legit not to root if he can live with the things he can't do then.

BoneXDA said:
Is this legal? Well, from Google's point of view anyway cause it's up to them to allow or take down such app. I'm not into rooting for warranty concerns, so how sure is that this app will be supported/left untouched? Major buying point unrooted external storage access for me.
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Perfectly legal. My brother watches movies and episodes from his external 1tb hard drive (A powered one).

[Q] use tablet screen for multi purpose use?

OK yes its been asked before but I can't find any threads about this topic that don't date back to 2011. Let's say I'm feeling nostalgic and want to use my tablet as a screen for let's say a GameCube? Is there a way? No it doesn't have to be wireless, USB dongles will due, but is there some type of app for this scenario?

Not that I know. But there are emulators. So maybe there is a gamecube emulator.
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You could hook that up to a PC and use something like teamviewer online on your tablet. So you are controlling your PC which plays the game all from your tablet.

beefsmith said:
OK yes its been asked before but I can't find any threads about this topic that don't date back to 2011. Let's say I'm feeling nostalgic and want to use my tablet as a screen for let's say a GameCube? Is there a way? No it doesn't have to be wireless, USB dongles will due, but is there some type of app for this scenario?
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Using an emulator and a remote screen solution would be absolutely horrendous for this purpose... latency issues everywhere (screen lag, ghosting, lack of sync between input and graphics...).
You will need an upscaler for this. Something that either takes component video input or composite and then outputs to HDMI.
Unfortunately the Nexus 10 port is output only. There are HDMI capable DIY panels you may want to check (Adafruit carries some... Alibaba might be a cheaper alternative). Other than that, there's no way.