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Hi guys,
Need some advise, i have had the SGS for around a month, the hardware is great and the screen quality is awesome, but the problem is lack of development support.
During the time i have had this device, probably 3 decent games (psx4droid, skies of glory and hyper jump) have been released, the rest have been released in the past.
No more than 5 useful applications have been released.
Not many of the Market apps are useful and most are spam.
I am thinking of switching to the iOS4, the development off apps there is far better and hundreds of new applications are released there.
Dont take this as a troll comment, i like the SGS, its just i dont like the lack of support.
Advise? Thanks.
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What advice are you looking for? The android market is growing dramatically every day, you've had the phone for only a month and in that time, 3 great games have come out? What are you complaining about?
What "useful" apps do you expect to find for the iPhone that is not available for android? If I was looking for portable gaming I'd buy a PSP...
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I am looking for some information that the android market is progressing, that's all.
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If you can afford the iPhone apps why not. I feel iOS4 is great. Not that great compared to Android though. I need openness and customisability. I need an mkv and ogg player. I need something that truly multi tasks.
And I dislike iTunes a lot.
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The.Opethian said:
If you can afford the iPhone apps why not. I feel iOS4 is great. Not that great compared to Android though. I need openness and customisability. I need an mkv and ogg player. I need something that truly multi tasks.
And I dislike iTunes a lot.
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Thanks, thats the kind of reply i was looking for.
I like the built in support of loads if codecs too, my only doubt is the app support, but hey, if its inproving like the other guy said, this is a keeper.
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Either way it's what makes you happy that counts.
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I seriously doubt the iPhone get more "useful" apps than android... Good ideas are rare.
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Thats very true .
@mickeko
"useful" apps to me are apps that interest me lol
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No amount of great hardware or customization is going to make up for critical applications or games that you want.
I have an iPhone 3GS right now. I'm thoroughly unhappy with a lot of parts of the iPhone. I don't like that it's closed, I don't like major missing applications especially Google apps, I hate iTunes, I want real multi-tasking, I'm sick of fighting with jailbreaks... the list goes on.
That said, I am tentative about the move because a few apps are still missing for me. Games, I am not so worried about - I'm not much of a phone gamer. Right now, though, the negatives about my iPhone outweigh the few apps that are missing so it's time for me to switch.
You may be experiencing the opposite problem. That's completely a personal decision. I'd say, if you're a gamer, there is no better platform than the iPhone. There are really great games for it, more coming out all the time. It is absolutely the best mobile gaming platform out right now.
So do it. Life is too short to worry about stuff like this. If Android isn't meeting your needs, switch and be happy.
Me, I'm switching because I don't like the iPhone as a daily pocket device anymore. I'm keeping it to use at home, though, for the games and apps that don't exist on the Android platform.
azazin said:
Hi guys,
Need some advise, i have had the SGS for around a month, the hardware is great and the screen quality is awesome, but the problem is lack of development support.
During the time i have had this device, probably 3 decent games (psx4droid, skies of glory and hyper jump) have been released, the rest have been released in the past.
No more than 5 useful applications have been released.
Not many of the Market apps are useful and most are spam.
I am thinking of switching to the iOS4, the development off apps there is far better and hundreds of new applications are released there.
Dont take this as a troll comment, i like the SGS, its just i dont like the lack of support.
Advise? Thanks.
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So what kind of advise are you looking for?
I read your post and all I got was I want an iPhone because of the apps, I don't see a debate or anything requiring the need for advise. Go get the iPhone.
azazin said:
Hi guys,
Need some advise, i have had the SGS for around a month, the hardware is great and the screen quality is awesome, but the problem is lack of development support.
During the time i have had this device, probably 3 decent games (psx4droid, skies of glory and hyper jump) have been released, the rest have been released in the past.
No more than 5 useful applications have been released.
Not many of the Market apps are useful and most are spam.
I am thinking of switching to the iOS4, the development off apps there is far better and hundreds of new applications are released there.
Dont take this as a troll comment, i like the SGS, its just i dont like the lack of support.
Advise? Thanks.
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If you are after mainly games then yes get an iphone, android is still a way behind in this area and might still take some time to catch up, while developers are slowly moving to android they are really still just testing the waters with android I feel and many games ported to android are either missing features or far more buggy than their iphone versions.
I am sure this will change as android keeps growing in popularity but if you want lots of games now then obviously the iphone is better in that area.
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So do it. Life is too short to worry about stuff like this. If Android isn't meeting your needs, switch and be happy.
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Yep. I don't understand the need to have other people convince you that you want to stay on Android.
Just go to iPhone if you feel that suits your needs.
Most useful apps that are on the iPhone are on Android...if anything they did a recent study and found there are more developers on Android then there for the iPhone....
But there are 2 things to consider..
1) iPhone has a lot of useless apps that do the same thing
2) Not all apps are always in the market place..for example EA games has quite a few games but for some reason keeps them hidden..but you can buy them if you want to directly...same for Gameloft and many other publishers..
Either way Android is growing quite fast and will continue to grow...as of 2010 I have yet to see 1 major developer do something for the iphone and not for Android..
Dear azazin,
I liked the way you said. You want something to explore rite ?
Your my kind.. I am the same way your.
I updated my OS to i9000xxjp3 (android 2.2)
Its amazingly fast there are bugs when you use Mobile AP (Hotspot), but this was working fine on i9000xxjp2 .. The official 2.2 is getting released on End of September.
And you can also try installing lot of application which is available on market.
The searching of application depends on how you use your mobile.
If you wanna be a developer you can do that easily.
U Tube vide : v=I6ObTqIiYfE
There are games like Many and they are awesome.. !! Seriously 3d HD games are coming 2 our SGS ...
U Tube Video : v=OxdZWhga0Vw
There are many application you can check out. Google them out on your chrome and send them directly to your mobile ..
tc..
Symbian OS took 38% market share worldwide in Q2 (41% year-on-year growth)
Android had 23% market share (884% year-on-year growth)
BlackBerry OS took 18% share (41% year-on-year growth)
iOS came in with 13% share (61% year-on-year growth)
As you can see there are 2x more Android devices then iphone devices world wide...and the growth is unparalleled...
http://www.androidcentral.com/android-sales-almost-900-q2
I've also read that Samsung is very happy with the Samsung Galaxy S, so much that the next major upgrade is going to be sometime in 3Q 2011. They are trying to do a yearly roadmap kinda like the iPhone. That's big for a company like Samsung that pretty much sh*ts fones left right and center.
For me I changed to the SGS from the 3G because I was sick of the way Steve Jobs thinks he can decide what apps and which websites I can visit (Flash!).
I liked the Iphone but in the end I felt it was to restrictive, all the apps I had on the Iphone I have now found in the market and a few that allow me to do things Apple told me I didn't need to do (GRRRR!).
I can now layout my own home screen with my own wallpaper and list today's appointments, which I could only do after jailbreaking the Iphone and even then it was limited.
My only issue with the SGS is the battery life, my 3G was better even after 18 months of usage.
Keep it. Samsung did an awesome job with this one and if they keep the Galaxy S as a whole series (like the iPhone) we'll see some big stuff coming from them. I think samsung is throwing the first stones in order to become the reference on Android smartphones.
On the other hand. If you really want games... Yeah, get an iPhone...
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Go for the iphone mate, better apps for now, but not for long
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Anyone that is looking to get the XOOM, i just find out today that COSTCO will be carrying them at the cell phone booth. They had the samsung tab for $100 less then everyone else, so might want to check it out if you plan to get one. The email said live displays would start arriving in stores the 22nd, and display banners/signs would start arriving the 24th. It did not say when the units would go on sale or for how much.
No show today
Checked with Costco this am 22nd, and the fellow told me they will not have anything until Thurs.--he knew nothing about price etc.
I doubt it'll be cheaper than verizons on contract price of 600.
even then, people said the apple ipad was to expensive at 499, but the xoom with no flash support(i know yet, but it will, maybe, its motorola who locks there stuff down tight, ask anyone with a Moto X, so who knows. lol) is going for 800?!
I will wait for an HTC tablet with Honeycomb. It will be much better IMHO
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I will wait for an HTC tablet with Honeycomb. It will be much better IMHO
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Why is that? Motorola has competed with HTC pretty well in the smartphone realm, why are you automatically assuming that HTC will be better in the tablet realm?
The HTC tablet announced at WMC is a joke compared to the Xoom IMHO.
akarol said:
Why is that? Motorola has competed with HTC pretty well in the smartphone realm, why are you automatically assuming that HTC will be better in the tablet realm?
The HTC tablet announced at WMC is a joke compared to the Xoom IMHO.
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Agreed - HTC seems to be pushing too much sense and not really promoting the android aspect of it. Yeah they update their phones relatively timely manner but they're doing with sense what apple did with unix - keeping it limited to only what they want and that's whats irritating.
I think the Flyer would have been nicer with vanilla honeycomb and not all the extra fluff of sense. Its the main reason why Moto, Samsung, AND LG are keeping with the vanilla version - they finally realize they'll get more people on board if they put out a standard tab the way apple did with the ipad
I might get the xoom after it is rooted, and bootloader unlocked, cm8 tab edition ftw
i am loving every aspect of it, but the only thing stopping me is there are no good apps and games for Android. I won't be playing games, but there will be time when i will want to and there are no good games. I can't justify myself spending $800 and not having a Complete product.
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i am loving every aspect of it, but the only thing stopping me is there are no good apps and games for Android. I won't be playing games, but there will be time when i will want to and there are no good games. I can't justify myself spending $800 and not having a Complete product.
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Not true, what so ever... there may not be amazing games in the android market.. but else where there is good games for the platform.
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I might get the xoom after it is rooted, and bootloader unlocked, cm8 tab edition ftw
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The Xoom will have an unlockable bootloader.
https://twitter.com/Motorola/status/40166376467341312
boliviano3 said:
The Xoom will have an unlockable bootloader.
https://twitter.com/Motorola/status/40166376467341312
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well. then, i'll be getting a Xoom, i might play with it for a while before my psp ngp comes out
Mm I don't think I ma get it seems too expensive, probably get an ipad it has been almost a year since it came out and it really has some nice apps (brother has one ).maybe wait for ipad 2
About the flyer truth HTC adds a lot stuff to their phones that not a lot people that are into deveplomet (like people at this forum) wants but to the regular consumer it does look really nice, is impresive what they did with android os (not honeycomb ) and is easy to use, plus 7 inch sounds like a good size I didn't get the sansumg tablet cause bad experience with sansumg in the past but anyone with open mind should read this article (link below), and most it to me sounds correct, android seems to be rushing to it just like gingerbread, they said in the past the gingerbread was going to have a better UI but it looks the same to me (just some new stuff here and there ) while HTC have been more advance to what google is doing, we can just put a simple example like facebook integration with HTC is better then google integration (after you download the app) so I have to give it up to HTC for taking a risky approach, and of course google for.bringing android
technobuffalo.com/blog/companies/google/android/htc-flyer-was-the-best-android-tablet-at-mwc/
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Mm I don't think I ma get it seems too expensive, probably get an ipad it has been almost a year since it came out and it really has some nice apps (brother has one ).maybe wait for ipad 2
About the flyer truth HTC adds a lot stuff to their phones that not a lot people that are into deveplomet (like people at this forum) wants but to the regular consumer it does look really nice, is impresive what they did with android os (not honeycomb ) and is easy to use, plus 7 inch sounds like a good size I didn't get the sansumg tablet cause bad experience with sansumg in the past but anyone with open mind should read this article (link below), and most it to me sounds correct, android seems to be rushing to it just like gingerbread, they said in the past the gingerbread was going to have a better UI but it looks the same to me (just some new stuff here and there ) while HTC have been more advance to what google is doing, we can just put a simple example like facebook integration with HTC is better then google integration (after you download the app) so I have to give it up to HTC for taking a risky approach, and of course google for.bringing android
technobuffalo.com/blog/companies/google/android/htc-flyer-was-the-best-android-tablet-at-mwc/
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You obviously haven't played with the iPad enough. Well, lucky for you, I have (I have owned one since its launch). And I'll tell you that the lack of Flash support alone is reason not to get one. That, by itself, makes this tablet inferior to any Android-based one. Trust me on this! You'd be surprised how many sites that you visit rely on Flash.
Also, another thing that really limits the iPad is the fact that apps are not flexible in its code to accurately extrapolate the pixel density, leading you to have iPhone/iPod apps and iPad (HD) apps. Not the case in Android. All apps work in all devices. Regardless of its resolution. This means that all apps in the Android Market are also available to its tablet users. Not the case with the App Store. I'd say about half of the apps on my iPad are iPhone apps that are 2x scaled over, making it painfully pixelated.
akarol said:
You obviously haven't played with the iPad enough. Well, lucky for you, I have (I have owned one since its launch). And I'll tell you that the lack of Flash support alone is reason not to get one. That, by itself, makes this tablet inferior to any Android-based one. Trust me on this! You'd be surprised how many sites that you visit rely on Flash.
Also, another thing that really limits the iPad is the fact that apps are not flexible in its code to accurately extrapolate the pixel density, leading you to have iPhone/iPod apps and iPad (HD) apps. Not the case in Android. All apps work in all devices. Regardless of its resolution. This means that all apps in the Android Market are also available to its tablet users. Not the case with the App Store. I'd say about half of the apps on my iPad are iPhone apps that are 2x scaled over, making it painfully pixelated.
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Well thanks for the info I appreciate it, we'll not pad for me lmao, I'll stick with my Evo and my laptop
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The Xoom will ship with flash 10.1 right? I heard that the OTA will be for Flash 10.2.
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The Xoom will ship with flash 10.1 right? I heard that the OTA will be for Flash 10.2.
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Not flash man but it will have an update shortly ( 2 weeks adobe said today )
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No Flash at launch, but it'll come soon according to Adobe. Early Spring.
Sorry for the crappy picture but here you go.
I am just going to wait for the $600 WiFi only version. I spoke with mobile guy at Costco and he said there is a WiFi only version in their system that will come out 30 days after the 3G Xoom is released (Feb 24). I have a Costco AMEX card and will just use that as Costco has a better return policy than BB. I also have a BB card that has nothing on it and interest free for 18 months sound good as well. I guess I will cross that bridge when the WiFi only model gets released.
The twitter about the unlocked bootloader totally changed me....now I waiting for the wifi only xoom...if it's available on Costco even the better.
ipad fans: hows that usb, flash, and camera support coming along? oh, my bad, you'll never have those...
ICE CREAM!
is anyone else excited to have ICS (ice cream sandwich) on their xoom?
maybe then will we get some more rom development (props to team tiamat for pwning motorola so far!)
just thought id get the conversation going
Sadly i still don't have the 3.2 update but excited for the ice cream sandwhich? Sure Why not =P
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All for one and one OS for all is what I say!
Majin101 said:
Sadly i still don't have the 3.2 update but excited for the ice cream sandwhich? Sure Why not =P
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You should be excited! From 3.1 to 3.2 is not too much of a huge changelog. Main updates included the zoom feature, and the SD card read but not write. Now, from 3.2 to the alleged 4.0 ICS... that's another story! That's a HUGE update in terms of software development. So much will be added and improved... it's the real update to look forward to, especially since ICS will unite the phone and tablet into one super high quality OS that both will share and work together with. That makes compatibility issues much less complicated. All for one and one OS for all!
I for one, am super excited for ice cream!
i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.
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i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.
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The ability to store settings and data on the cloud was actually added in Android 2.2, few developers use it, unfortunately.
(In fairness the API is kind of wretched)
I gave up on expecting an update for the xoom
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Android's strength was that of fragmentation - different phones coming in different sizes with different hardware.
However this is also Android's weakness as developers have to test on a larger number of devices (and we all know it's financially impossible to own all devices).
With ICS this should level the playing field with Apple - we should then see some new apps coming in for the tabs (and phones!).
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i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.
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The ability to store settings and data on the cloud was actually added in Android 2.2, few developers use it, unfortunately.
(In fairness the API is kind of wretched)
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I am sure I read Rovio of angry Birds fame was trying to get some sort of save-data-in-the-cloud style transfer between devices...
Gorship said:
ICE CREAM!
is anyone else excited to have ICS (ice cream sandwich) on their xoom?
maybe then will we get some more rom development (props to team tiamat for pwning motorola so far!)
just thought id get the conversation going
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Wait.... so is the XOOM going to get ICS? like OTA?
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I am sure I read Rovio of angry Birds fame was trying to get some sort of save-data-in-the-cloud style transfer between devices...
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That would be a welcome addition. Using Titanium to sync my progress is kinda bulky.
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That would be a welcome addition. Using Titanium to sync my progress is kinda bulky.
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Yes it would indeed!
phone <-> tablet is a pain
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Wait.... so is the XOOM going to get ICS? like OTA?
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We hope so - it was demo'd on a Xoom for I/O so I imagine it will - they'll probably be a 'Nexus' type device or other GED out for it - but Xoom will probably get it second (US Xoom).
Yeah i wish the could idea would work for game saves i HATE that i have to root just to get my save files to back them up in case anything happens. And i pray with ICS read and write is enabled for the SD card.
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Yeah i wish the could idea would work for game saves i HATE that i have to root just to get my save files to back them up in case anything happens. And i pray with ICS read and write is enabled for the SD card.
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they should introduce an sdcard/gamesave/ directory or something and have all gamesaves copied into that folder...
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they should introduce an sdcard/gamesave/ directory or something and have all gamesaves copied into that folder...
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That would be a bad idea because it would extremely limited where games can save data, and encryption would be more difficult. Plus old games would have to be updated
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the interesting thing is; they are compiting with the apple (according to me apple is compiting with them but still, as compainies it is the goal), and i believe this is why apple and android have the same date of releasing the ew sowtfare; the 4th quarter of 2011..
however apple has introduced the software, the new videos and betas are everywhere but there is no sign of ice cream sandwich yet.. this is risky because since we have no referance point to set our dreams we can dream whatever we want and this leads us to dissappointment in the end because there is no way to guess what they are doing..
so, i guess i am ready for a dissappointment and being suprised at the same time.. i have high hopes for ICS but i am trying to accept my device with honeycomb already and telling myself i did not buy it for ICS..
really, i have been asking to myself; "what kind of software are we dreaming of"? there are android devices with 600 mhz qualcomm cpus and quadcore devices are on the way.. how can they share the same software? there is only one example for that in the history; apple again.. apple updated the iphone 3g last time but they did not put multitasking and menu background due to the performance limitations..
and the other question is; "what kind of changes are coming for us"? android users are more professionals generally, but still i want some UI improvements.. i do not like my app icons are forced to be close only in the middle of the screen.. i want a menu which gives me the impression of wideness, so i will not feel i am drowning in the screen..
>but there is no sign of ice cream sandwich yet..
I skimmed through the 51-min I/O presentation to glean the major upcoming features of Android. The big thing are cloud features (video & music everywhere) which are rolling out independent of the OS. Even for cloud fans, these aren't a big deal, since similar options are available elsewhere. Mentioned in passing was an app-abstraction layer so apps can run seamlessly on any form factor. A "mini-big" deal, but already assumed since ICS is supposed to unify different screen sizes.
The Open Accessory initiative could be a big deal, but again that's not tied to the OS. I looked up "android open accessory" for 3rd-party announcements, and there were zip. The safe bet is if anything were to happen on this front, it'll be next year. Hopefully, it'll fare better than the GoogleTV effort. Logitech is learning the hard way that not all is golden in Android land.
The pie-in-the-sky stuff shown is the @Home initiative (I'm wondering if they had to pay AT&T to license that moniker, since [email protected] was acquired by Ma Bell a while back). It's the old Internet-appliance spiel rehashed and reclothed to Android skin. Judging from the applause level, most peeps in the audience were about as excited as I was.
So, the conservative projection (always a good idea) is that ICS will be what it was announced to be, one OS for all form factors. As explicitly mentioned, it will have the same hologram motif as the present HC, only that now your smartphone can run it as well. Any additional functionality beyond this will likely be minor, else it would've been mentioned. If you're wondering what's "minor," take as a benchmark that cam headtracking made the fit-to-be-announced cut.
Personally, the magic words I was looking for were "peripheral support," or "device support." MIA. I know, kinda boring. I like boring stuff, like using my scanners and printers and cams.
Anyway, I'm happy that 3.2 is out and about at least. That'll allow the 7" toys to show up this year, which is my preferred size. Looking forward to Sept to see what Win8 will have up its sleeve.
Oops, I left out one big feature for ICS, probably the biggest: unlike HC, it will be open-sourced.
Now, I'm sure ROM'ers will all rejoice, and I'm rooting (get it?) on CM8. But my biggest cheers are reserved for those poor bereft Shenzhen souls left out in the cold. YES! THERE'LL BE CRAPPY EL-CHEAPOLA ICS TABLETS AT LAST! ahahaah lemme check DealExtreme again..
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Oops, I left out one big feature for ICS, probably the biggest: unlike HC, it will be open-sourced.
Now, I'm sure ROM'ers will all rejoice, and I'm rooting (get it?) on CM8. But my biggest cheers are reserved for those poor bereft Shenzhen souls left out in the cold. YES! THERE'LL BE CRAPPY EL-CHEAPOLA ICS TABLETS AT LAST! ahahaah lemme check DealExtreme again..
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With the release of Ice Cream comes the "merger" of the Android OS. One OS for both tablets and phones. But Google isn't quite that interested in tablets right now, it wants to work more at developing phones with it's acquired Motorola and partnership with Samsung. And with good reason.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/20/tech/...ablets-wired/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
all speculation
I agree with rmxo it is all speculation, to be fair I can see how tablets are less lucrative than phones. People seem to think google is something more than a business.
Not that I wouldn't like to see ICS on the galaxy tab I suspect this awesome community will a get ics rom cooked before an official tab build gets released.
I actually think samsung should be on googles back regarding ics on the tab.
That's bull****. If Google didn't "care about tablets", they wouldn't have spent millions on Honeycomb development, risked alienating the user base by locking up source code, etc.
They care a great deal about tablets. They just weren't ready for tablets at the same time the manufacturers were ready to start making them.
There's a big difference.
the article's author's opinion is really biased imo...
so.. nah... if Google decides to do this which imo won't happen... they are pissing a lot of people off...
if google doesn't care about tablets... why bother making ICS 1280x720 as a default resolution?
Ridiculous. In terms of development, you focus on phones because it is a larger market, but failing to see the rise of the next big mass media device (tablets) is not the problem Google has here. They simply are saying, right now, we are focusing on bringing the tablet experience to phones. They are making development on both platforms more efficient with single dev on ICS. Tablets likely weren't talked big because really, ICS is HC for phones AND tablets. And although it brings more features that HC does not have, it is more or less HC at it's core experience.
Asus already announced the Transformer Prime and original transformer will have ICS by end of Dec.
LG G2x - 2.3.5 MIUI
Asus Transformer - 3.2 Revolver
Why did you post this here? It's pure speculation by one tech analyst, and has basically nothing to do with this forum.
Stupid article. Sometimes these tech writers have to make logic leaps to justify a story.
At first i thought it was curious that they didnt even mention tablets. Then it started to make sense.
1, this was a samsung and google event. It was supposed to highlight ICS and samsung's latest and greatest hardware. Showing a prototype Xoom would have taken away from samsung and you cant do that.
2, this was also google's opportunity to counter iOS 5. Sorta phone vs. phone. Ipad 3 is on the horizon and why would Google show their cards this early in the game. ICS is ready for tablets but I'm sure there will be a more advanced version released in a few months (around the time Ipad3 shows up) that will add new features.
I'm tired of "journalists" who write articles full of speculation and opinion and then arrive at some concrete 'conclusion' based on nothing but whatever thoughts flitted between their ears. Perhaps it's just me, but it seems like the vast majority of "technology journalists" are brain-dead iJobs fanboys looking to grind an axe and make Android as unattractive to the masses as they possibly can. It's like they're all part of some out-of-control confirmation bias machine, seeking to stroke each other's ego for their intelligence and good taste in selecting the latest iToy.
Unrelated: my wife who is deeply embedded in the Apple ecosystem was ready to throw her iPhone 4 against a wall last night when she realised that editing a contact record is disabled by default on iOS 5. Seriously, she had to dive into phone settings to enable the ability to add a phone number to an existing contact. WTF.
(please excuse my mini-rant, I have a cold and am medicating with a cocktail of OTC goodness)
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what's a tablet?
What's a tablet? Is a 5" screen device a tablet? Like for example the galaxy note? Is the Nexus Prime a bit of a tablet? No, maybe? The Galaxy Note with it's 5"+ screen is definitely almost a tablet. It has a split screen design of the software when turning the device in landscape. So it is running definitely tablet like software.
The boundary between tablets and phones isn't clear cut. And in the future the boundary will become more vague. For Android that is. That's why they focused with ICS on a sort of OS that will run on both "tablets" and "phones". From that perspective one can say that tablets are equally well supported as phones.
Here's an interesting interview with Rubin http://allthingsd.com/20111019/andy-rubin-video-highlights-from-asiad-video/ In it Androids position on tablets is very clearly explained. They just want to make an OS that supports all screensizes. (Btw Rubin says they sold 6 million tablets.. that's like 100% more than what the CNN article says)
I don't necessarily agree with Rubin's position on this, but at least it is a interesting one Again, what's a tablet anyway for a mobile operating system? A phone with a big screen? (Without calling abilities)
The strategy seems that Google is leaving it to hardware manufacturers if they want to support tablets. The software is ready for it.
My only question with this strategy is if Google can trigger developers enough to make specific outstanding tablet software. They expect developers to target all screensizes. And with the new ICS this is possible and easy. So that's okay. Nevertheless, for a developer who only wants to target the tablet because his design only fits on a tablet this won't work. Either s/he has to make a poor small screen implementation of his software or s/he sticks to a tablet only version. But the last decision will only work if they make a clear cut separation on the Android market. But then they have to make a separation after all.....
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They care a great deal about tablets. They just weren't ready for tablets at the same time the manufacturers were ready to start making them.
There's a big difference
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I agree with this part...and that's why we ended up with betas
I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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In my experience, most well written apps already scale quite well the way you want already. However, it's really up to the devs because some of them may want to make a bit more money by having two separate apps (a phone one and a tablet / HD one).
Serious_Beans said:
I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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The question is if every tablet app can have a small screen counter app. One can't demand from developers that they (for example) design a great word processor for tablets and also create a mobile phone counterpart at once.
If the market won't have clear cut tablet sections in the future, I don't expect much tablets apps for the future. It's not worthwhile for a developer to invest in good tablet design if its app will be hidden in the market between the "scalable apps"
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The question is if every tablet app can have a small screen counter app. One can't demand from developers that they (for example) design a great word processor for tablets and also create a mobile phone counterpart at once.
If the market won't have clear cut tablet sections in the future, I don't expect much tablets apps for the future. It's not worthwhile for a developer to invest in good tablet design if its app will be hidden in the market between the "scalable apps"
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True. That's why I like the way Apple has structured their market -- iPad only / iPhone only / iPad+iPhone (with that '+' sign to indicate such apps).
The new Android market does provide recommendations specifically for tablets though.
True. That's why I like the way Apple has structured their market -- iPad only / iPhone only / iPad+iPhone (with that '+' sign to indicate such apps).
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You see thats the **** part about apple strategy.
Why should I pay twice for the same app?
best example angry birds.
Its perfectly playable on android phones and tablets and most importantly we have it for free or 99p/$
on iDevices you pay for the same app twice just so it looks a little bit better on the iPad than iPhone.
If you think about it. If Apple releases new iPad with higher resolution all iBoys will have to buy the app again..
I think best example of how Android market (and apps) should be is by looking at apps like Flixter or IMDB
Ugh I should of never got this tab, I love android I really disapointed.
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MattSkeet said:
You see thats the **** part about apple strategy.
Why should I pay twice for the same app?
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AFAIK, Apple leaves it up to the developer -- there are several apps which you can buy once and they will work on both the iPad and iPhone at the appropriate resolution for each device (the ones with the '+' sign indicated). However, there are developers who would rather make you buy two different versions instead.
So I don't know if it's fair to blame Apple (or Google) for separate tablet / phone apps. However, Google is to be blamed for not making it easy to determine which apps will function correctly on tablets (and quite a few don't).
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iloveandroid16 said:
Ugh I should of never got this tab, I love android I really disapointed.
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Out of curiosity, what is it about Android that you love and is not present on the tablet?
First off, I have an android phone, motorola atria.
I have a 32gb wifi iPad, and a chance to trade it for either an acer a500 or samsung galaxy tab 10.1 4g. It would be a straight trade. Would you do it?
I like the apps for the iPad, and there are great games for it. This is my only major road block right now. Hardware wise, I would trade for either one easily, but it's the software side that's keeping me from the simple trade.
Are there apps for android that are specifically made for tablets like iOS and their "hd" version of apps?
It seems the quality of apps and especially games are better right now for iPad?
Ps. In general I do prefer android, I would never trade my atrix for an iPhone. I'm speaking just tablet wise right now.
An iPad 1? It's a roughly equivalent trade though they might be coming out slightly ahead on a purely dollar perspective. Performance-wise, you may like the faster Android tablets if this not an iPad 2. However, if the software is there for you on the iPad, you could simply look to sell your iPad and pick up a newer iPad later. I would suspect Apple is due for an iPad 3 upgrade in the near future.
There are some apps Google claims as "tablet" in their tablet tab but they appear to just be standard apps a lot of times. Some apps do list themselves as HD, usually suggesting they work well with tabs but I don't know that Android has the same quantity of tab apps that iOS does. Most of the time you're just working with phone apps that also work on a tab. If sales increase on Android tablets, I would expect that to change but it may not be the fastest process, particularly if phone apps are working.
App quality on Android certainly runs the spectrum from really solid to absolute junk. Given Google's app stance, that's just the way things go. Right now, companies looking to sell apps and games still look to iOS first. Even at a lower market percentage, iOS is still more profitable for developers than Android. Android users just seem to be more reluctant to purchase apps where iOS doesn't seem to suffer that same problem - Apple's got them used to opening their wallets wide and frequently That's not to say that there isn't junk on iOS.
Part of the reason for the junk, though, is the way Apple and Google go about allowing publishing. You need to be a subscriber to some annual developer service on Apple to publish. $99 a year, I believe. Not a huge amount but it's a consideration. I don't know that Google has any monetary requirements involved. So Google gets a lot more people wanting to develop for it but they can end up with guys that are just learning Java and scrounged something together that managed to run. On the other hand, you get some great developers that have an easy entry in and can put out brilliant software. There's good and bad that comes with both positions.
As the previous poster said, it depends on if it is an iPad 1 or 2. Just to put things in perspective right now:
In canada, a wifi iPad2 32GB is $619.99, An Iconia A500 32GB can cost as low as $349.99. If you have an iPad2 you are probably better off selling the iPad separately and buying an Iconia. If you are looking at a Galaxy Tab then a straight up trade might not be so bad as they cost more and have more "appeal" than an Acer tab. By appeal I mean resale value of a Galaxy tab is likely higher because of the "Galaxy" name.
As for the software side of things. I have plenty of apps that work great on the tablet. There are some HD versions of apps and the number of tab apps keeps growing. The only issue I have is sometimes trying to find apps for tablets, but the market is slowly getting better at that too.
Regarding apps, you have to consider that android tablets are a year "younger" than ipads. The quantity is not nearly close to the numbers for ipad. The good news is that most of the phone apps will work just fine and with ICS optimizing an app for both small screens and large ones is easier, so ideally developers should make better apps (actually it's easier in HC too, but but there are no HC phones ) . The bad news is that as someone here said android users don't open their wallets as often or as wide as Apple ones, so the development almost always goes with ios in mind and android follows. However this will also change in the future.
I have access to both the A500 and GT 10.1 and samsung beats the iconia only in the battery. The screen is oversaturated (someone may like it that way, I but I hate it), and no USB, they even have the ridiculous apple's connector for charging and connecting to pc.
And one more thing - android developers also have to pay a 25$ one-time fee for registration in the market.
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I sold my ipad 1 so I could buy my iconia tab. There is much more I can do with the iconia
Than a ipad. I guess its the freedom android offers that lured me overfrom apple. I like the
Galaxie tab 10 but there is no usb port so the iconia was my choice. Good luck with the deal
Steve
Wond3r said:
First off, I have an android phone, motorola atria.
I have a 32gb wifi iPad, and a chance to trade it for either an acer a500 or samsung galaxy tab 10.1 4g. It would be a straight trade. Would you do it?
I like the apps for the iPad, and there are great games for it. This is my only major road block right now. Hardware wise, I would trade for either one easily, but it's the software side that's keeping me from the simple trade.
Are there apps for android that are specifically made for tablets like iOS and their "hd" version of apps?
It seems the quality of apps and especially games are better right now for iPad?
Ps. In general I do prefer android, I would never trade my atrix for an iPhone. I'm speaking just tablet wise right now.
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From a hardware perspective, the answer is easy--i.e. Android tablets are better. I have recommended iPads and Android tablets to various people. It really boiled down to what they were wanting/needing. iPad has simplicity because you are prevented from doing pretty much anything to the device. I have folks who prefer that. An Android tablet gives a better desktop/laptop experience because you can customize. Software is a biggie. If you have apps you enjoy on the iPad, you need to investigate if they also exist on the Android or if something comparative exists. You mention enjoying games. You'll really like Gamesoft's games. I also like the emulators for Android, which means I can enjoy playing my old NES/SNES/Genesis/etc. games on my tablet.
The iPad 3 will come out (instead of originally coming out this year, rumour has it Apple extended the date to coincide with the iPad anniversary next year). The iPad 3 will more than likely come with a quad core processor. One of the biggest problems with iPads is the lack of connections, so an Android tablet will win in that test. Being able to upgrade your storage is a pretty huge plus. I know iPad has the iCloud. As I tell folks, that is great if you are in an area where you can actually get to the cloud, otherwise it is a huge fail.
One more comment about apps. Yes, iPad has a larger selection, so again do your homework on those iPad apps you use frequently. Yes, there are apps and games that are released specifically for Android tablets versus phones. I liked Adobe offering their support to Android with their Photoshop app. Not only is it available for Android but Adobe released the software for Android before iPad.
Best of luck. Hope some of this is of use.
Keep the iPad.
I figure anybody who bought one, well, they should just live with it.
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Keep the iPad.
I figure anybody who bought one, well, they should just live with it.
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Giggles ...
i think you should maybe ask your wife or girl friend what to do.. Sheesh cant anyone make a decision on there own...
Honey to i continue to be a slave of the apple.. Or do i get the freedom of Android..
THIS is a No Brain-er Decision ..
Giggles.. FOR REAL do what you feel is right for you
as we do not know your personality what you like dislike is size weight a issue.. Is being Cool in front of your friends a requirement... I say Ditch the IOS. BUT IM Sure you get that from the beginning of my post
Good Luck with what ever you choose to do... but i would not trade even thou retail value is likely higher for the ipad .
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Giggles ...
i think you should maybe ask your wife or girl friend what to do.. Sheesh cant anyone make a decision on there own...
Honey to i continue to be a slave of the apple.. Or do i get the freedom of Android..
THIS is a No Brain-er Decision ..
Giggles.. FOR REAL do what you feel is right for you
as we do not know your personality what you like dislike is size weight a issue.. Is being Cool in front of your friends a requirement... I say Ditch the IOS. BUT IM Sure you get that from the beginning of my post
Good Luck with what ever you choose to do... but i would not trade even thou retail value is likely higher for the ipad .
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Geeze Erica, I did ask her that. Her response... if I had owned an iPad, she wouldn't have introduced me to her Matrix bedsheets )))) iPad apps lack imagination and usefullness....
Poor iPad owners..((((
That's the thing I don't get. Is anyone planning on installing 140,000 apps on they're tab? Most likely there's going to be something that does the exact same thing, or similar, on android if it has any value. My impression is also that android phone apps run better on tabs than iOS on iPad
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Geeze Erica, I did ask her that. Her response... if I had owned an iPad, she wouldn't have introduced me to her Matrix bedsheets )))) iPad apps lack imagination and usefullness....
Poor iPad owners..((((
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Well you have a keeper then.Is she as hot as she is intelligent.
Oops
I have both an A500 and an iPad 2. They are both great in their own way. Some things to note:
Ability to expand the storage on the A500 is nice
The screen dimensions on the A500 are better for movies
It's fun to customize the A500
I continue to have problems with wifi here and there on the A500
The screen on the iPad is nicer
The iPad software is MUCH 'snappier'. I'm amazed how slow the A500 is when I use it.
The big name apps for the iPad are generally better. The developers just seem to concentrate more on that platform. For example, the Twitter app for the iPad is nicer.
That said, running iPhone apps on the iPad sucks. The 'little app in the center of the screen' thing is awful. Resizing the app is even worse.
They are both good for their own reasons. If it helps, I use my iPad more than my A500.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 equalizes the screens (better screen than the A500 IMO). I would lean that way if the ability to expand storage isn't an issue.
Funny thread, and the OP hasn't returned to the scene of the crime.
IMHO, if you really have to ask the question....then by all means....PLEASE KEEP THE I pad!
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Funny thread, and the OP hasn't returned to the scene of the crime.
IMHO, if you really have to ask the question....then by all means....PLEASE KEEP THE I pad!
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I've been reading the responses.
I'm not here to argue.
And by the way, it is an iPad 1.
If I have to ask the question, please keep the iPad? You are making it seem like I dont know about Android.
I've been with Android since the G1. and I've mentioned my phone is a rooted Moto Atix.
Wond3r said:
I've been reading the responses.
I'm not here to argue.
And by the way, it is an iPad 1.
If I have to ask the question, please keep the iPad? You are making it seem like I dont know about Android.
I've been with Android since the G1. and I've mentioned my phone is a rooted Moto Atix.
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Thank you for proving my point, and I stand by my post. If you have to ask the question, you really need to keep it and NOT get the A500.
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Thank you for proving my point, and I stand by my post. If you have to ask the question, you really need to keep it and NOT get the A500.
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Thats not really proving any point.
Thanks for your input though.
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Thats not really proving any point.
Thanks for your input though.
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I hope not all a500 users are immature.
Actually - judging by the rest of the replies, I know not all of them are.
Again, thank you for your input.
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I hope not all a500 users are immature.
Actually - judging by the rest of the replies, I know not all of them are.
Again, thank you for your input.
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I like the fact I can run my 2.5" HDD on my Iconia A501, Makes watching movies, moving files a whole lot easier than having to connect to a pc, use all the inner storage and not be able to expand... I also have a 32Gb sd card for all the "must have" shows I like to watch.... That gives me 64Gb storage... Include the 1 Tb drive I attach, take that Ipad....
Oh, and the other thing I found, having a friend with an Ipad, he wanted to download a game I showed him on my android device. It actually cost him to buy the app that Android was giving away for free... The fact I can load apps from elsewhere other than downloading off the market is also a big plus (its nice to keep a copy of the apk files elsewhere)... Something else to think about.