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What do you guys think about the Xoom/tablets

I keep thinking about getting a Xoom or something else Honeycomb when they come out. The one thing I keep hitting on is how and how much I would use it.
As I type this I'm looking at two computers with two monitors each, a 360, and a ps3, then I have a old tube tv in the other room with a Nintendo, Genesis, and a PS2 hooked up to it.
Sometimes I do sit in front of all that and use my "little" 4.3 phone to surf the web, but not a whole lot. When I had my Hero all I wanted was something bigger, the Evo hit that perfectly!
What are you guys thoughts on tablets in general?

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I really want a tablet. Especially the xoom! Looks sweet. The price tag is high but it looks worth it. Itll be a while before i could get anything like that so have to see what comes out after that. It being a official google device makes it better tho.

A year ago, I did not want one..I have changed my mid. I could live with my Evo till the end of my contract if I had an awesome tablet to play with. I spend a LARGE part of my day surfing the web on my phone. After owning the Evo, I could see myself LOVING a tablet. After seeing Honeycomb, I lust.

I have an iPad. I use it to play games and to browse the web when I'm taking a dump. Those two things alone keep me on it for about 2-3 hours daily.
I'll probably get an Android tab eventually but for now the iPad works fine for my purposes.

_MetalHead_ said:
I have an iPad. I use it to play games and to browse the web when I'm taking a dump. Those two things alone keep me on it for about 2-3 hours daily.
I'll probably get an Android tab eventually but for now the iPad works fine for my purposes.
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Too much information...
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Nook Color Honeycomb,...$249
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Nook Color Honeycomb,...$249
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...which has a very underwhelming CPU/GPU and a still non fully working port? Even with a fully working Honeycomb ROM it's not really worth it.
As for tablets, I don't really need one but I'll probably get a one soon. It's going to be between the iPad 2, Xoom, and maybe even the WebOS tablets.

Actually for me it's the other way around. I used to dream of having a tablet but now that I have an evo, i don't see any point of getting one.
Having a 4.3 and another 7inch device, even 10inch is just overkill.
Besides, once we get dual core phones, there won't be any point to get a tablet beside screen size, which is not that much of a difference.

tejasrichard said:
A year ago, I did not want one..I have changed my mid. I could live with my Evo till the end of my contract if I had an awesome tablet to play with. I spend a LARGE part of my day surfing the web on my phone. After owning the Evo, I could see myself LOVING a tablet. After seeing Honeycomb, I lust.
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I agree... Especially since sprint hoooooeeeed us all out of our prime membership upgrades. I'd rather pay for a new tablet than full price for a phone, and just wait for my 2 year upgrade to end.
$500-600 for a new phone when i still have my fully capable evo that runs silky smooth and 99.99% of the apps on the android market
ORRR
$500-700 on a tablet with a much bigger screen and capable of running dungeon defenders....
Thank you sprint for taking away my upgrade because I never would have considered getting a tablet otherwise......................................................................................................assholes

FWIW, I'll give it a week to let users shake it down, and if there's nothing really busted I'll be getting a Xoom.
Tried a few tablets already (Viewsonic G-Tablet, Huawei Ideos, Galaxy Tab) and really want one in a 10" form-factor (so, no Galaxy Tab) with a decent screen and touchscreen (so, no to the other two).

starplaya93 said:
I agree... Especially since sprint hoooooeeeed us all out of our prime membership upgrades. I'd rather pay for a new tablet than full price for a phone, and just wait for my 2 year upgrade to end.
$500-600 for a new phone when i still have my fully capable evo that runs silky smooth and 99.99% of the apps on the android market
ORRR
$500-700 on a tablet with a much bigger screen and capable of running dungeon defenders....
Thank you sprint for taking away my upgrade because I never would have considered getting a tablet otherwise......................................................................................................assholes
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Its horrible this is such a good point! I've been giving Boost some real serious thought and the money I save could be a great excuse to spend the cash on a sweet tablet. The only catch is it seems like all the good tablets are signing on to a carrier.

Xoom is a bit steep for me, so i'm actually gonna wait for the Asus Transformer, which is supposed to fall between 400-700, i'm guessing 16/wifi, 16/3g, 32/wifi and 32/3g with $100 seperating them. The specs for the upcoming devices all look similiar enough that it really falls to build quality and any additional features, and i like the idea of a 10inch netbook form factor where the screen comes off.

I was interested in the Xoom but I want an wifi-only version and I'm not willing to pay as much as a laptop [or more] for a tablet.
Moreover, the Xoom is pretty unattractive considering the likely-hood of a unlockable bootloader.

_MetalHead_ said:
I have an iPad. I use it to play games and to browse the web when I'm taking a dump. Those two things alone keep me on it for about 2-3 hours daily.
I'll probably get an Android tab eventually but for now the iPad works fine for my purposes.
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Win lmfao I always play killer instinct on my snes emulator while taking a dumb. And I'm getting a xoom its dual core love, I came so close to buying an ipad 2 days ago glad I didn't.
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Honeycomb itself looks amazing, makes me kinda want to get the Xoom. but i think im good with my Evo and laptop. Maybe later when different Honeycomb products come out.

Before I go pay that much money for a tablet ill just go buy another laptop with 10 times better specs. I pretty much feel the same way I did about when the ipads came out.. not much in terms of being useful for me.

For everybody saying laptops better fill the role remember the way the world is moving. I believe the xoom could accomplish most everything a laptop could, especially once developers start making apps for it. The specs of the zoom are amazing as well,.and its portability and "fun of use" will easily best out any laptop... Some books may be up to par.
Im just iffy about the multitasking on honeycomb to be honest.
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davenukem said:
For everybody saying laptops better fill the role remember the way the world is moving. I believe the xoom could accomplish most everything a laptop could, especially once developers start making apps for it. The specs of the zoom are amazing as well,.and its portability and "fun of use" will easily best out any laptop... Some books may be up to par.
Im just iffy about the multitasking on honeycomb to be honest.
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A tablet will never replace my laptop... not unless it comes with a TB HD, a top notch graphics card, office, sql, access, etc. It's not really even practical for me to use one as a replacement. If I were to ever get a tablet it would be strictly for a casual/fun type thing.

So the iPad 2 is suppose to compete with XOOM?

From what I have gathered (sources below), the iPad 2 doesn't look to be that good of a match to the XOOM. Here are a few highlights, for those of you (like me) were curious about the competition and/or were looking for confidence in our purchase.
Screen:
XOOM: 10.1 inch, 1280x800 at 150-ppi (720p)
iPad 2: 9.7 inch, 1024x768 at 132-ppi (720p) Note: No retina-display
For 3G Version:
XOOM: Upgradable to 4G (LTE)
iPad 2: Stuck with 3G apparently
Front Camera:
XOOM: 2MP
iPad 2: VGA.. really??
That's just a few specs that caught my eye and made me smile. That's not to say the iPad 2 is a bad choice, hell at approx 8.8mm thin (33% thinner than iPad), to pack all that power into that is impressive to say the least.
While Apple is a solid performer, and their software "works", I'm an Android fan, and am thankful now that I joined the XOOM club. More customizations and such make the OS unique. Despite all the riff-raff going on about the Bugs, issues, and disappointments of the XOOM - most of these will be fixed or improved most likely over time through software updates (Like the OG Droid).
None-the-less, just some more info to keep on top of the recent market of technology.
Sources:
iPad 2: From the apple website, under iPad 2, specs.
XOOM: Motorola website specs.
(Sorry, XDA wont allow me to post links, tis my first post)

What's the over/under on new iPad2 threads created today that are all virtually the same?
I'll set it at 15.

Jrockttu said:
What's the over/under on new iPad2 threads created today that are all virtually the same?
I'll set it at 15.
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i'll take the over, haha.
if you feel like ranting, sharing your sage wisdom, bi&%$ng or anything else about the ipad2, we need only 1 thread for this. this is why i hate the general forum.

I think the title is wrong. Is the Xoom supposed to compete with the iPad?

Without the apps (which I'm now finally realizing is so important) the Xoom will never "beat" the iPad. I've noticed everywhere, in all the reviews, all the people, blah.. that everyone needs apps. Without these apps Android tablets will never be true competitors.
I think..

Eclair~ said:
Without the apps (which I'm now finally realizing is so important) the Xoom will never "beat" the iPad. I've noticed everywhere, in all the reviews, all the people, blah.. that everyone needs apps. Without these apps Android tablets will never be true competitors.
I think..
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Apps, Brand Recognition, Brand Awareness, Social Status, its a lot of things.

Eclair~ said:
Without the apps (which I'm now finally realizing is so important) the Xoom will never "beat" the iPad. I've noticed everywhere, in all the reviews, all the people, blah.. that everyone needs apps. Without these apps Android tablets will never be true competitors.
I think..
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Yes, but as an early adopter thats to be expected. the iPad didn't launch with 65,000 apps, that was built up over the past year. Time will fix that. Just like Android took over the phone market, it will take over the tablet market. Strength in numbers.

Yeah, the iPad launched with 2000 not 6 like the Xoom.

almostinsane said:
Yeah, the iPad launched with 2000 not 6 like the Xoom.
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Yeah but as I recall there were a lot of duplicates, and I really came to dislike the 2x iPhone apps - couldn't wait to get rid of. One thing that I keep coming back to - the big selling point for the iPad was it offered a "new user experience" and even tho I was a longtime Apple hater I ended up getting iPad and had to admit I liked the new experience although I don't like the iTunes tether and got tired of IOS limitations. But nevertheless 15 million people ended up buying into the "experience" and now, for XOOM or any other competitor to succeed they have to offer a better experience. Earlier Android tablets weren't able to but I think the XOOM will.... when it finally gets finished .... and some real apps. But with the I pad 2 released the media hype is focused on it so Google and Adobe better move fast!

almostinsane said:
Yeah, the iPad launched with 2000 not 6 like the Xoom.
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I was an early adopter of the first ipad. And it was just as weak with apps. There were almost no quality apps out of those 2000. Atleast there are already a few sweet games that take advantage of the system and plenty more to come. Mix that with the vector graphics of a lot of android apps and it isn't too shabby at all. Atleast we don't have to deal with that "2x" crap with ios.
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And the good Apps that the iPad did have on release were $10 on average. Most were 2x of existing Apps = crap.
Give the xoom time to catch up.
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I just gave every thread with the word iPad a one star...
It felt good.
That is all

colbyb25 said:
I was an early adopter of the first ipad. And it was just as weak with apps. There were almost no quality apps out of those 2000. Atleast there are already a few sweet games that take advantage of the system and plenty more to come. Mix that with the vector graphics of a lot of android apps and it isn't too shabby at all. Atleast we don't have to deal with that "2x" crap with ios.
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I had an ipad on release day.
Netflix, iwork suite...
The apps have always been really good on the ipad.
Google needs to entice big devs to port stuff to android.
We need open office on android....netflix is pretty much a requirement too.
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buy a game on app store for $10. Play game and you find out it sucks, $10 wasted.
Same scenario on android, just press the refund button lololololololol...
I am tird of all this stupid apple talk........

clandest said:
buy a game on app store for $10. Play game and you find out it sucks, $10 wasted.
Same scenario on android, just press the refund button lololololololol...
I am tird of all this stupid apple talk........
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The Apple talk will be gone with time. Everyone was really anticipation the iPad 2, even Android followers. We were waiting to see what Apple would do. And now since they have revealed it, of course everyone in the tech community has to discuss it.

techs1200 said:
I had an ipad on release day.
Netflix, iwork suite...
The apps have always been really good on the ipad.
Google needs to entice big devs to port stuff to android.
We need open office on android....netflix is pretty much a requirement too.
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It's been out for a couple of days. It was almost impossible to develop for honeycomb before it came out because of the emulator being so slow. Just be patient.

Think we can all agree this has been said already.
THread closed.

How is the Motorola Xoom? The best, or not?

I had a chance to play with a Xoom briefly at a local Best Buy and was pleasantly surprised how well I liked it. It felt solid and significant and looked very nice. Honeycomb was...well...pure honey. It left me with the distinct desire to own one. Though recent test have the iPad2 blowing it away, the iPad2 doesn't have the higher res display of the Xoom. I would much rather watch the Xoom display than the iPad2.
But I need people;s experiences with the Xoom since it is a significant investment for me. I would buy the full-priced WiFi-only version, that's why it would be such a significant investment...no subsidized pricing. However, knowing what I know of Motorola's support tactics, we all really should be boycotting them rather than considering buying anything from them. They never update any non-subsidized products. If you own a Moto device from a carrier, you wil eventually get updates and bug fixes. But it you buy one outright, you are abandon as soon as they have your money.

I paid a 1000$ for mine and I am very happy.
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Based on what I read in another thread about some bugs in HC, I've decided to either wait for a Google produced tablet with HC or stick with Apple and wait for an iPad with a higher res display. I know Google and Apple take good care of their customers with updates, support and bug fixes so it won't be a worry to me. The carriers and other manufacturers tend to be greedy and slight their customers. I won't take a chance on them.

MartyLK said:
Based on what I read in another thread about some bugs in HC, I've decided to either wait for a Google produced tablet with HC or stick with Apple and wait for an iPad with a higher res display. I know Google and Apple take good care of their customers with updates, support and bug fixes so it won't be a worry to me. The carriers and other manufacturers tend to be greedy and slight their customers. I won't take a chance on them.
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The xoom is a google experience device. Its like the droid of tablets.
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MartyLK said:
I had a chance to play with a Xoom briefly at a local Best Buy and was pleasantly surprised how well I liked it. It felt solid and significant and looked very nice. Honeycomb was...well...pure honey. It left me with the distinct desire to own one. Though recent test have the iPad2 blowing it away, the iPad2 doesn't have the higher res display of the Xoom. I would much rather watch the Xoom display than the iPad2.
But I need people;s experiences with the Xoom since it is a significant investment for me. I would buy the full-priced WiFi-only version, that's why it would be such a significant investment...no subsidized pricing. However, knowing what I know of Motorola's support tactics, we all really should be boycotting them rather than considering buying anything from them. They never update any non-subsidized products. If you own a Moto device from a carrier, you wil eventually get updates and bug fixes. But it you buy one outright, you are abandon as soon as they have your money.
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What test blew the Xoom away?

MartyLK said:
I had a chance to play with a Xoom briefly at a local Best Buy and was pleasantly surprised how well I liked it. It felt solid and significant and looked very nice. Honeycomb was...well...pure honey. It left me with the distinct desire to own one. Though recent test have the iPad2 blowing it away, the iPad2 doesn't have the higher res display of the Xoom. I would much rather watch the Xoom display than the iPad2.
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+ The Android OS is more friendly for everyday use. I owned a iPad, loved it, but when I got the Xoom, I realized that a tablet could be way better To say it simply, with honeycomb you have everything at hand with a simple touch, while on the iPad you have to browse through many screens to get things done. Huge difference if you want to use a tablet more productively and not for incidentally browsing, reading etc.
For example:
Picture this, I have four very active email accounts. I have a widget for each of them on my desktop. When I want to check my mail I just press home and I directly see the the new messages in each mailbox. On the iPad I first had to open the mail app and then I had to click on each of the different mailboxes to see the new messages. What a usability difference....
And this is just one example. I think Android tablets will definitely be a tough competition for the iPad. Didn't expect that till I did the switch myself. Lot of potential.

Sistum Id said:
What test blew the Xoom away?
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The only comparison tests i've seen the xoom won! Unless of course you mean the hype/BS test on the iforum site.

Sistum Id said:
What test blew the Xoom away?
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The synthetic benchmarks that anandtech ran that every Steve worshipper in the land uses as ipad 2 purchase validation.
It showed the tegra as sort of lacking in the graphics department. Personally, I didn't buy a xoom to play games, I have a PC and PS3 for that.
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MartyLK said:
But I need people;s experiences with the Xoom since it is a significant investment for me. I would buy the full-priced WiFi-only version, that's why it would be such a significant investment...no subsidized pricing. However, knowing what I know of Motorola's support tactics, we all really should be boycotting them rather than considering buying anything from them. They never update any non-subsidized products. If you own a Moto device from a carrier, you wil eventually get updates and bug fixes. But it you buy one outright, you are abandon as soon as they have your money.
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My 2 cents for you, I looked at the Xoom simply as something to use while 'someone' is on my laptop for hours at a time. My nice new Dell Win7 laptop cost a little more than a Xoom, and it does so much more, so I personally don't look at the Xoom as a "PC replacement". It's something I plan to use at home mostly. I bought the WiFi only one because I didn't want to be tied to Verizon for 2 years, because we really don't know how long Moto is going to put the effort into the Xoom. I don't want to potentially be paying Verizon a monthly fee for a lightly/none supported product in months 12-24 down the road.
The clamor about "Xoom has no apps" is total BS. Having 10,000 apps that make fart noises isn't something to tout. Not everything is perfect, but I'm the type that wants to personalize my device. I think Ipad has it's place as does the Xoom. People that bash either just have incomplete lives with nothing better to do. In my opinion, Ipad is more mainstream, it's what the 'unwashed masses' will flock to, because it has a consistent and simple interface, stability and requires the person to be less involved with 'setting things up'.
I'm not a 'media intensive' person...I could give 2 ****s how Youtube works on the Xoom. I have not tried the HDMI output yet, but in using 'TV' apps I'm happy that I have the option, if I take a trip where I have WiFi that I can stream music/video (I don't care that it's not in 1080p, I can live without it on even a 6 hour trip). I'm intelligent enough to read the postings here, to find apps that let me stream Dexter Season 5, which is NOT out on Netflix yet, so THAT was cool to me. I did try the NHL.com Gamecenter streaming of live games and it worked pretty good.
Also, I have an EVO through Sprint, so for $30 a month I can activate it's HotSpot feature and get unlimited data. So in my mind, if I really want to use it 'away from home' for whatever reason someone has I can also turn on/off the Hotspot feature whenever and they prorate the $30/mo to the day. So if I turn the feature on/off for 5 days in the month, it costs me $5 for that month. I could decide to be lazy too, and just leave it enabled all month, and I think that's a better deal than a 2 year contract w/ Verizon with a monthly data cap. Of course what I am doing requires 'effort' that so many people just don't want to put into things.
To me, I guess having the 3/4G options would be nice at times, but really, where outside of Home does a person really need to whip out their tablet? You going to take it to a movie or dinner, or to the ballgame? If so, why did you pay to attend something and then stick your face in your tablet? Or if you are on a bus/train, why don't you just stick a big "please rob me" sign on your back? If you are using it for 'work' chances are that you need to use it for more than a few minutes and likely for data intensive things, so your likely only going to be 'working' someplace with WiFi....if your company doesn't have WiFi (like mine) that's probably a sign that you employer doesn't want your WiFi device at work

@ austonja, well stated, now this was one of the best replies I have read in a while.

Sistum Id said:
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3d tests. but apple is vying for top mobile gaming platform so you can see why.

I think you are asking the wrong question. Of course the Xoom is not the BEST...but then NO product fulfills that criteria for me. The Xoom is excellent. I enjoy it greatly, and there are reasons I picked it over the other options which are still valid. I am satisfied with my choice, but it was a choice, and given slightly different thinking, I am sure I would have been happy with the iPad 2 or the other new Honeycomb tablets when they arrive. I personally think you would not regret a Xoom purchase...but that is just my opinion.

Xoom is decent, but its just the hardware. Before the end of the year I'm sure we will be seeing some great devices that will trump the xoom. Also 2012 I'm sure will be a very exciting year for tablets. Very excited to see what will happen
If now talking about Honeycomb, I believe from what I see is so far the best. Once it get its kinks worked out and we go through a few updates Honeycomb will be the best OS out there for tablets. Honeycomb>IOS>Palm(HP)>blackberry qnx

Sistum Id said:
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/...rmance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked
http://blog.laptopmag.com/ipad-2-graphics-performance-blows-away-motorola-xoom-original-ipad
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/982268-ipad-2-gpu-blows-away-other-tablet-gpus-including-the-xoom/
http://www.getlaptopreview.com/lapt...e-blows-away-motorola-xoom-original-ipad.html
http://www.tablets.com/uncategorized/the-ipad-2s-powervr-gpu-blows-away-competition/
http://techscrunch.com/tablets/ipad...hz-dual-core-cortex-a9-and-powervr-sgx543mp2/
http://phonegear.eu/ipad-2-graphics...way-ipad-1-and-tegra-2-powered-motorola-xoom/
http://appmasters.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/ipad-2-graphics-blow-away-all-other-tablets/
http://androidforums.com/general-ta...-2-these-14-example-have-changed-my-mind.html
http://www.toteo.com/tech-gadgets/2012-ipad-2-graphics-much-faster-than-ipad-1-motorola-xoom.html
http://osxdaily.com/2011/03/25/ipad-vs-ipad-2-graphics-performance/
http://felixonline.co.uk/preview/tech/1100/ipad-2-blows-away-rivals/
http://www.digitalninjastl.com/blog...d-2’s-graphics-the-infinity-blade-test-shows/
There are many more that came up in Google search but I got tired of listing them all.

Eclair~ said:
None of those sites you listed performed the test again and some of them were simply just forums discussing the information Anandtech presented to us. They only posted Anandtech's graphs and reported the information back again. Therefore it was still "one review" and the fanboys can still say "Just one review!". I'm not trying to be negative, I get your point and what you were trying to prove. The iPad 2 is more powerful than the Xoom and anyone who claims otherwise is... in denial, or a fanboy.
You sound kinda hostile.
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Sorry about sounding hostile. It isn't meant. I have had a bad day already. Having been infracted for responding to hateful people and those very same people have not been infracted. When you are an innocent person who wants nothing more than to express views and allow others to express their views and you get accosted for it, it leaves you with a seriously jaded view of life and humanity. It makes a person hope there truly is something to the 2012 myth because I've had my fill of the hatred people love to spew.
As far as the iPad2 goes, I wouldn't buy one of those either. I don't like looking at highly visible pixels on a screen. The iPad2's 1024x768 res is just way too low for this day and time. I did love the display of the Xoom and was yearning for a Xoom...until I was reminded it would be supported by Motorola. But I did read a post that said Google would be updating the Xoom. If this is true...and I'm trying to get confirmation of this in another thread...I may yet acquire a Xoom. As I said, though, I won't get one through or locked to carriers. It would be the full-priced one with WiFi only.

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I do hope that when a Honeycomb tablet beats these benchmarks that it receives just as much press.
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when that happens i hope there are some games that make having that horsepower useful. as of right now i don't think there are any games on the android platform that would benefit. that would be as crappy as paying for 2 cpu cores but having apps only utilize one...

The iPad is a finished product. It's a good one, too. (My wife has the iPad 1.)
The Xoom is not finished, and it approaches the new iPad already.
The iPad is never gonna suck, but it's pretty obvious the Xoom has the potential to kick it's ass. However, I have very little faith that Google, Motorola or Verizon will bring it to that point. We'll need to rely on the Android development community for that.
In my opinion, the only time a Xoom will ever be really great is when it's rooted and has a custom ROM installed.

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The sad part is, I predicted someone would waste their time to say that. It seems people would rather post negative light about others than useful information.
The *reason* why I posted all of those was because the fanboys would come back and say, "Aha! Just one review! That doesn't mean anything!"
However, knowing that someone would complain that all of those links weren't needed, I chose that direction rather than allowing the fanboy/girls a voice.
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Are you for real? Go back and read all of your posts in this thread.
You posted that many links to show how people reported on the ONE benchmark? What does that have to do with anything? Not one of those sites re-ran or even confirmed the benchmark themselves, so it is relavent to point out that you could have and should have posted only one link.
You're trying to find fault for some reason in a product you don't own and then post it on the forum. You have to see why this might make me thing you're trolling for no reason.
If you don't like Motorola based on one forum post, that's fine. If you don't like the Xoom based on one test, that's fine. If you don't like it because you actually tried it and tested it for a long time, that's another story. Posting links we have all seen (weeks ago), doesn't help anyone on this forum or help anyone decide to/not to buy something that you don't even own.
Just how I feel about this whole thread.

Psychokitty said:
The iPad is a finished product. It's a good one, too. (My wife has the iPad 1.)
The Xoom is not finished, and it approaches the new iPad already.
The iPad is never gonna suck, but it's pretty obvious the Xoom has the potential to kick it's ass. However, I have very little faith that Google, Motorola or Verizon will bring it to that point. We'll need to rely on the Android development community for that.
In my opinion, the only time a Xoom will ever be really great is when it's rooted and has a custom ROM installed.
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That's the problem with Motorola products, the BIOS and bootloader are locked. The only time a custom ROM can be flashed is if it's based on an official Motorola ROM. That's one of my biggest concerns about Motorola. They hinder the XDA community from doing their magic on Motorola devices. If Google releases an updated Honeycomb ROM that deals with bugs and provides performance enhancement, the XDA community can't use it on Motorola devices until Motorola makes an official ROM out of it.

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That's the problem with Motorola products, the BIOS and bootloader are locked. The only time a custom ROM can be flashed is if it's based on an official Motorola ROM. That's one of my biggest concerns about Motorola. They hinder the XDA community from doing their magic on Motorola devices. If Google releases an updated Honeycomb ROM that deals with bugs and provides performance enhancement, the XDA community can't use it on Motorola devices until Motorola makes an official ROM out of it.
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The Xoom is completely unlocked. Unlocked bootloader (with standard sdk tools you can unlock it), and there are no signature checks, at all. We can modify the xoom software however we want.
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The big tablet debate

So I'm a huge android nerd, and I really want a tablet. The problem I'm having is which one do I get. Here are some pros and cons I have for the ones that have been announced.
Xoom - While Motorola has impressed me with their quality and support for android phones, I feel, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the Xoom was released too early because Motorola was rushing to be the first. It has a lot of bugs and I'm not sure if it's worth taking the risk that they will support the device, or if I should wait for a second generation.
The LG slate - The specs are comparable to the Xoom and hopefully the extra time they are taking to release means there will be less bugs. I don't know much about LG as fast as android is concerned, but I am excited about the G2X phone coming out.
The Samsung Galaxy tab - I have a galaxy s phone, so that should tell you I have little faith in their ability to support their devices. I don't fault them for the original tab because they were the first and it was before dual core became the thing and before hummingbird was released. It sucks they can't or won't update the original tab, but I wouldn't let that stop me from buying this one if it is really good. Again, my only issue with Samsung is that they continuously try to convince me they will support their devices and continuously let me down. Great displays, though.
HTC Scribe - Looks awesome, but single core? That wouldn't bother me much, but if they start releasing games and apps specific for dual core devices then anyone with that device is screwed.
Sho what do you think? Any input from Xoom users or anyone in general is appreciated.

Check out the Viewsonic Gtablet. Awesome specs, pretty much "unbrickable", easily customizable (perfect for android nerd), and best of all it's about 1/3 the price of the xoom, et al.
I have the xoom, iPad, and the Gtablet, and while my go to tablet is the xoom, I still can't believe how the Gtablet performs, and fun to play with (screen is not best though).

I think that virtually everything that's "unfinished" about the Xoom is really about what's unfinished in Honeycomb. So, no other vendor is going to be ahead of Motorola in this regard. In fact, they're likely to be BEHIND the Xoom to the extent that they have customized UI's and/or software that they're adding to their devices.
The only exception to this is the 4G upgrade, but I don't know of any other tablet except the HTC on Sprint's that guaranteed so far of getting 4G at all. So, that shouldn't be counted against the Xoom.
Note that I'm not trying to defend the Xoom here, but rather to point out that other devices are likely to be just as "unfinished" as the Xoom until Google releases the first big Honeycomb update. For myself, I'm going to take a good hard look at the Asus, simply because the idea of having a keyboard dock with another 24Wh battery is really attractive to me.

Get the ipad 2, trust me. Then in a couple of months or a year android will be up and running "properly". If you want a tablet right now...jailbroken ipad 2. Done. Perfect.
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kalfou said:
Get the ipad 2, trust me. Then in a couple of months or a year android will be up and running "properly". If you want a tablet right now...jailbroken ipad 2. Done. Perfect.
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Except its still iOS which a lot of people around here try to avoid. Not because we are Android Fan Boys, but because we want it our way, not their way.

bnandrew said:
So I'm a huge android nerd, and I really want a tablet. The problem I'm having is which one do I get. Here are some pros and cons I have for the ones that have been announced.
Xoom - While Motorola has impressed me with their quality and support for android phones, I feel, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the Xoom was released too early because Motorola was rushing to be the first. It has a lot of bugs and I'm not sure if it's worth taking the risk that they will support the device, or if I should wait for a second generation.
The LG slate - The specs are comparable to the Xoom and hopefully the extra time they are taking to release means there will be less bugs. I don't know much about LG as fast as android is concerned, but I am excited about the G2X phone coming out.
The Samsung Galaxy tab - I have a galaxy s phone, so that should tell you I have little faith in their ability to support their devices. I don't fault them for the original tab because they were the first and it was before dual core became the thing and before hummingbird was released. It sucks they can't or won't update the original tab, but I wouldn't let that stop me from buying this one if it is really good. Again, my only issue with Samsung is that they continuously try to convince me they will support their devices and continuously let me down. Great displays, though.
HTC Scribe - Looks awesome, but single core? That wouldn't bother me much, but if they start releasing games and apps specific for dual core devices then anyone with that device is screwed.
Sho what do you think? Any input from Xoom users or anyone in general is appreciated.
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Xoom user here and I say wait til LG and Samsung release their Tabs, play with all of them and then decide. As far as the Scribe is concerned they already make tablet specific games so with that your already screwed.
Visual360 said:
Check out the Viewsonic Gtablet. Awesome specs, pretty much "unbrickable", easily customizable (perfect for android nerd), and best of all it's about 1/3 the price of the xoom, et al.
I have the xoom, iPad, and the Gtablet, and while my go to tablet is the xoom, I still can't believe how the Gtablet performs, and fun to play with (screen is not best though).
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I also have GTab (that I'm willing to sell to anyone who wants it btw) and I have to say that customizing it is fun but using it is not. The screen is horrible and I mean really really bad, a disaster when you see it next to your phone or the xoom.
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Get the ipad 2, trust me. Then in a couple of months or a year android will be up and running "properly". If you want a tablet right now...jailbroken ipad 2. Done. Perfect.
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That's not even one of his choices and I'm sorry but I think the xoom trumps the ipad 2 in almost all categories.
Just my input on the matter. Hope it helps.

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Except its still iOS which a lot of people around here try to avoid. Not because we are Android Fan Boys, but because we want it our way, not their way.
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Jailbroken. Interface no biggie
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Jailbroken. Interface no biggie
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I still cant stand looking at the square icons all over my screen. iOS, even when jailbroken, is still boring to look at. Just my opnion but you still wouldnt be able to customize the iPad2 like I have with my Xoom.
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kalfou said:
Get the ipad 2, trust me. Then in a couple of months or a year android will be up and running "properly". If you want a tablet right now...jailbroken ipad 2. Done. Perfect.
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Except the Jailbreak for iPad2 is still on the "horizon".

kalfou said:
Jailbroken. Interface no biggie
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"Widgets".

kalfou said:
Get the ipad 2, trust me. Then in a couple of months or a year android will be up and running "properly". If you want a tablet right now...jailbroken ipad 2. Done. Perfect.
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You really are barking up the wrong tree here. While the iPad 2 is great for my grandma and other non tech savvy people this is XDA DEVELOPERS and the iPad goes against everything we do here. Even with jailbreaking you will never get the full customization that you get with Android, never. Steve jobs thinks he knows best for his followers and always will. I even went and checked one out because it is more compatable with my colleges online learning center but I took one look at that horrid UI and just couldn't do it. Not to mention honeycomb is an actual tablet operating system, ios is the same OS as the iPhone just with some tablet friendly apps. Great for my gf and my mom but definitely not for someone like me who likes to tinker.
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iPad mini

hmmmmm i still think my Xoom is very relevant and will better suit me for what i use a tablet for. heck my first gen kindle fire is still relevant (for me anyways)
what are your thoughts?
http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/

My thoughts are that comparing the too is like comparing oranges and carrots. The only thing they have in common is the color orange (they're both tablets).
They are damn near 2 generations apart tech wise and 2 completely different form factors.

exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant

dodgefan67 said:
exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
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Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.

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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.

PeterWitrigs said:
Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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I agree with this and on a different note the surface isn't to shabby looking either. This is my favorite time of the year.
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Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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you may be right, but it is just an opinion, never liked apple, but its not like i look for opportunities to bash them....no wait :cyclops:
and yeah as long as the Nexus 10 isn't built by LG i might get one too
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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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thats true as well

To be honest my xoom2 sound way better than mini ipad mini.

Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..

tumpy said:
A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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So now I need to be an Apple user in order to have an unbiased opinion? Please tell me where I downgraded Android wrongly rather than just shrugging it off. Android tablet app support is atrocious. Its getting better and its nice that Android apps "scale" upward but in doing so, a lot of the screen real estate of a tablet is simply not used efficiently. You can compare it to mobile websites. Have you ever looked at a mobile website on a desktop? They look horrible because they're not using the screen real estate efficiently. With all that said, the user interface of the OS itself and the features and speed have finally surpassed that of iOS.
And yes, the Xoom in the tech world of tablets is very out of date. Hardware tech moves fast; its still relevant and useful but the Tegra 2 processor is simply not up to par with newer chips. One of the main Eos devs even said in their nightly thread that the Xoom is old (coming up on 2 years) and people should start looking to upgrade. It was a bit of an off hand comment (as in I don't think they plan on dropping support any time soon) but people were discussing speed and such and the simple fact is the Xoom's hardware is holding it back from taking full advantage of Jellybean (its fast but not nearly as fast as a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7 with Project Butter).
Back to my original point, as I stated, comparing the Xoom and Mini is silly and to me comes across as nothing more than a fishing attempt to bash on Apple and circle jerk about the Xoom with other Xoom owners. They are two products that simply don't compare well to one another. A proper comparison would be the Nexus 7 and the Mini; they are much closer in release dates and are actually of similar sizes and targeted at similar customers.
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so what would be the point of buying an ipad mini?
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People that want a smaller tablet and are already invested in the iOS arena or simply prefer it? Tablets that are 9.6" or 10.1" aren't for everyone, just as phones that are 4.7" aren't for everyone. I know quite a few iPhone users who never got iPads because they saw the device as too large and cumbersome. The Mini introduces another option for iOS users at a different price and size.

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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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And why do you think that?

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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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great point, open source has always been better at providing better and faster support to products which make them more reliable and longer lasting. look how many old PCs are running linux
on the flip side, proprietary software like drivers from nvidia (on my LG phone) take forever to get updates. LG/Nvidia and T-Mobile have only just recently upgraded my phone to GB 2.3.4 (back in March) where as my Xoom is running the latest JB

I think that apple products are great! They give people who are new to the computer world a chance to learn hope to use a computer...
That being said anything beyond being new to computers in respect to acceptable customer support, software support, getting the most out of your device, power, and topping on the cake ethical business operation, you don't find it in apple.
I won't go to far into detail and try not to hate on apple to much, but I think that if you want a device that actually allows you to fully use the hardware then you have to look elsewhere. I also think that you pay far to much money for devices in that brand since they already get their hardware cheap as hell. sure they build solid hardware, but its not always high end, nor is it reasonably priced.
I bought a laptop from an off brand that was twice the power of the average apple computer today and half the price. I received it a year ago.
Ok enough with apple. Sorry that organization irritates me.
So on the xoom. I bought mine fairly recently. Some of the things I love about it is that it's build Pretty solid. I feel like I could throw this thing at a friggin wall! People claim the hardware is outdated, I don't agree. My xoom has EOS Wingray 153 currently and doesn't have any issues at all with lag. The only problems I've had with running apps is that I can't find enough that I want to use. That is to say ones relevant for me to use. I have about 64GB to fill and not enough apps to fill it with
Now this isn't as if I'm saying there aren't enough apps made for android to be honest I think there are plenty. I like that you don't need to use a ca authority to make an app attachable to the store, and I like that they don't pull root apps from the market. I also haven't heard of people being sued for hacking android devices.
I haven't been able to take full advantage of my xoom hardware yet, though it's mostly due to a lack of trying. I mostly use it for a few games and internet use when I'm not home. I also do ebooks and PDFs as well as ssh and some research. To say the xoom is outdated is in my opinion grossly wrong. The software that does a pretty damn good job of efficiently using the hardware, and I've yet to see an app thus far have trouble functioning properly or have any sort of lag. Well I did once, but that could have been so to a new build I literally just installed it also could have just been the app. In any case I no longer have lag.
To close to the question of iPad mini vs xoom. If you have a reason to use something smaller than a xoom then by all means support a terrible organization, but otherwise I think the xoom will be good for me for another year.
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I hate Apple's policies for market share! But over hating their policies I hate those iSheeps who keeps saying that their iPoops of them is better than Android, which was com proved by Geekbench that it's the opposite! For all those saying that Xoom is better than any Apple device, it's a lie, BUT even with it's 2 y.o. hardware it's only worse than the new iPhone 5, which is worse to GNote 10.1, GNote 2 and GS3! And there's still missing the new devices that'll come now, like RAZR HD, HTC One X+, Xperia T, etc... And on the iPad mini topic, all I can say is that it's not worth in ANY F-Word WAY! N7 is the best 7" tablet you'll see, Xoom 2 ME is way better too! But I else think that's not fair compare a 7" tablet to a 10" one, they were built for different functions and there's no way you can be fair to both sides when comparing utility, for example: I have my Xoom, which is amazing, and today I used a little my mom's Xoom 2 ME tablet, and it was way better to read than my 10.1" screen! That's why I'm keeping my Xoom and getting a Nexus 7, as I don't need another high end 10" tablet for now and need a tablet for better mobility.
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