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Hey guys I'm just wondering if there is a real benefit to rooting at this point. I'm really pro rooting your devices but I want to see a real benefit to it too.
Am I missing something but as of now I cant really find a real motive to Root my xoom considering also that I will have to do a factory reset and revert to unrooted unlock stock for the LTE upgrade.
Can anyone that has rooted his Xoom give me their feedback on their experience and benefits they found by rooting?
And yes, I know the 1.5 GHz overclock but is that enough?...
Thanks.
Of course, you can play Donkey Kong on it
yankele said:
Hey guys I'm just wondering if there is a real benefit to rooting at this point. I'm really pro rooting your devices but I want to see a real benefit to it too.
Am I missing something but as of now I cant really find a real motive to Root my xoom considering also that I will have to do a factory reset and revert to unrooted unlock stock for the LTE upgrade.
Can anyone that has rooted his Xoom give me their feedback on their experience and benefits they found by rooting?
And yes, I know the 1.5 GHz overclock but is that enough?...
Thanks.
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Motorola has said you do NOT need to unroot your device if you want the 4G upgrade. They said they will still install the modem and try to install the software needed. If the software doesn't work, they will still ship it back to you, but now you have to figure out how get the software to work.
In all likelihood, if you're just rooting so you can install some basic apps. You won't have an issue, but if for some reason you're flashing to different roms, then yes you would have to take a little time to either revert back to stock, or get it back and figure out how to install the modem software yourself.
if your asking this question then must not have done enough research or you shouldnt even bother attempting to root
I have done a lot of research and every day go to xoom android development to keep up to date with whats happening but I wanted to ask people who rooted already what are their experience with it.
As of now there is no custom ROM but there is a kernel and a few boot screens but and the overcloking but I from the outside IDK what are people experiencing on a rooted xoom that makes a lot of difference from my non rooted one.
And I may not have a lot of posts in the forums but even tho I'm no expert I'm not a complete stranger to rooting.
If you are so talented in rooting, you should already be aware of the benefits. If what you see in the development section isn't enough to satisfy you then simply don't do it.
Rooting opens doors to custom system-level themes, custom ROMs, root required apps, custom kernels, and so forth. Obviously you know this much and half of it isn't available on the Xoom at the time. It may just not be worth it.
Eclair~ said:
If you are so talented in rooting, you should already be aware of the benefits. If what you see in the development section isn't enough to satisfy you then simply don't do it.
Rooting opens doors to custom system-level themes, custom ROMs, root required apps, custom kernels, and so forth. Obviously you know this much and half of it isn't available on the Xoom at the time. It may just not be worth it.
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^^^ Exactly what i was trying to imply well put ^^^
Eclair~ said:
If you are so talented in rooting, you should already be aware of the benefits. If what you see in the development section isn't enough to satisfy you then simply don't do it.
Rooting opens doors to custom system-level themes, custom ROMs, root required apps, custom kernels, and so forth. Obviously you know this much and half of it isn't available on the Xoom at the time. It may just not be worth it.
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He didn't say that he was a pro "at" rooting devices, rather he was pro rooting devices (ie. He's generally in support of the idea).
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I'm no rooting expert, or anything close to that title.
Thanks for your response, and yes, I agree with you about the fact that many of the features that we enjoyed in our phones being rooted are still not working for HC.
That's why I was asking if there is anything that I will like and that I'm missing at this point being that I enjoy other devs work but I'm not able to develop on my own.
Anyways I think maybe rooting may not be for me at this point, but I'm really looking forward for something worth rooting my $800 toy!
Thanks
gigglebox said:
He didn't say that he was a pro "at" rooting devices, rather he was pro rooting devices (ie. He's generally in support of the idea).
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That is correct, I missed that part in my previous response.
Thank you!
I finally rooted my evo to freely tether my xoom! But no, I havent seen a compelling reason to root the xoom yet, with so many expected critical software updates coming in the future (4g, flash, sd card) I'll personally wait a bit until at least the sd card update is pushed (fingers crossed)
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But no, I havent seen a compelling reason to root the xoom yet, with so many expected critical software updates coming in the future (4g, flash, sd card) I'll personally wait a bit until at least the sd card update is pushed (fingers crossed)
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This is my exact feelings. I'm waiting for the Xoom to become the device it's supposed to be before I get too into tinkering with it. Eventually I will go the rooting route, but not quite yet.
That is what I needed to hear, from normal people like me that had rooted already.
I guess if would have a data plan with vzw it would make more sense to root now but since I don't, and there is not a custom rom and I'll have to revert to stock if I want the software update when I send my xoom for the LTE upgrade, I'm not gonna be rooting yet all tho I'm dying to root, or maybe I'll root just for the fun of it because anyways I flash a new rom almost every week or twice a week so the reverting to stock may not be any harder to do.
I'll see....
Thanks for your feedback guys!
Sent from my HTC EVO running MYN's WARM Z using the XDA app.
hi_its_ryan said:
I finally rooted my evo to freely tether my xoom! But no, I havent seen a compelling reason to root the xoom yet, with so many expected critical software updates coming in the future (4g, flash, sd card) I'll personally wait a bit until at least the sd card update is pushed (fingers crossed)
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You're still able to get those updates even while being rooted. You won't however, once you choose to install a custom rom on it... made possible by rooting.
Can someone just help the Guy/Girl?
come on now. It seems like everyother thread has someone saying "If you know so much blah blah" We all know he doesn't know, which is the point of his thread. To Learn.
You don't need to come in here and try to insult him/her and tell em that if they don't know they don't need to bother rooting, etc.
If you have rooted, What have you done with your device that would make a knowledgeable end user want to root? Thats all he wants to know.
I wish I could help, but this Xoom is my first android device.
I am looking forward to rooting for my first time, and playing with everything, but personally I am just going to wait till after the LTE upgrade just to save myself a headache.
Maybe someone could help me with this question. Since after rooting/flashing ROMs might cause Moto's software for the 4g Radio to work improperly, does that mean if I wait till after the LTE upgrade, rooting/flashing might cause the Radio to not work?
Or is it somehow, once the software is on there, changing the ROMs and Permissions won't affect the Radio?
yankele said:
That is what I needed to hear, from normal people like me that had rooted already.
I guess if would have a data plan with vzw it would make more sense to root now but since I don't, and there is not a custom rom and I'll have to revert to stock if I want the software update when I send my xoom for the LTE upgrade, I'm not gonna be rooting yet all tho I'm dying to root, or maybe I'll root just for the fun of it because anyways I flash a new rom almost every week or twice a week so the reverting to stock may not be any harder to do.
I'll see....
Thanks for your feedback guys!
Sent from my HTC EVO running MYN's WARM Z using the XDA app.
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Did you not read the third post of this thread? It doesn't matter if you root the device or not, You'll get the 4G update. However if you're running a custom rom, they might not be able to install the software for the modem, in which case, you need to do it yourself. If you keep the stock rom and stay rooted, I doubt you would have any problems.
The third post in no way answers his question. Nor do the posts to "research." Don't be a ****, either answer the question or ignore it. The question is a reasonable one and posted in general.
In my opinion right now there is not a need to root right now unless:
-you want to deploy a custom Tom
-you want to overclock
-you want to customize the default rom. .. I.e. remove default applications such as the games, replace system files for turning purposes, etc...
-you want to run an application that requires root.
Until you have a desire or need that requires root there is no need to root the device. If you do root though Motorola seems (as stated in post 3) willing to upgrade the device at a minimum. So fear of ineligibility for the upgrade should not be a deterrent to upgrading.
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JayBeezy802 said:
Did you not read the third post of this thread? It doesn't matter if you root the device or not, You'll get the 4G update. However if you're running a custom rom, they might not be able to install the software for the modem, in which case, you need to do it yourself. If you keep the stock rom and stay rooted, I doubt you would have any problems.
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I did read it but if you read my post I'm acknowledging that my device will get the LTE upgrade no matter what, but I don't want to take the risk to not be able to get the software upgrade just because they see my xoom is unlocked and rooted.
If you read the Motorola moderator in that forum he says more or less that if you are rooted pretty much don't get the software... and you know they could use any kind of excuses to not do it.
But still I might root just for the fun of it and going back to stock just to ne safe and not have to look for the freacking thing myself.
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yankele said:
Hey guys I'm just wondering if there is a real benefit to rooting at this point. I'm really pro rooting your devices but I want to see a real benefit to it too.
Am I missing something but as of now I cant really find a real motive to Root my xoom considering also that I will have to do a factory reset and revert to unrooted unlock stock for the LTE upgrade.
Can anyone that has rooted his Xoom give me their feedback on their experience and benefits they found by rooting?
And yes, I know the 1.5 GHz overclock but is that enough?...
Thanks.
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My main motive is nothing more than having the capability of defying the machine/syztem
I rooted and OC'd with both BidDogs and Koush's kernels.
I had reboot issues with both (not complaining here). Had it OC'd for about 4 days, tried BD update this morning and still did the reboot thing (sometimes several times an hour). MOST peoples OC seems to be wokring well.
Other then that, while rooted I didn't really do much other then poke around as su in the file system.
This morning i flashed back using the SFB file. I will try to root it again and OC if my xoom remains solid for the next day...maybe i did one of the steps wrong somewhere.
So to finally answer your question, I had a awsome time rooting/OC'ing and learned quite a bit doing so!
Heya there! Seems like I'm one of the unlucky ones who got a 2.2 Transformer. Is there a safe way to install one of the 3.1 roms on those? I don't just want to go ahead and update the thing with like, Primordial, because it might break it if the partitioning is different.
I would keep it as is or sell it on eBay. That is a RARE tablet!
It might be rare, but it's pretty unuseable as a tablet. That's not really helping me. And I don't think It'd sell any better than normal ones on ebay, it's after all well known what's inside the system by this point.
Apologies. My answer was not helpful to you.
I do not think that you will have an issue just taking the leaked HC 3.1 and just installing it over your 2.2 install. Be sure to do a Nandroid backup first.......and if you are able to....post it here for the devs to play with.
Can anyone else confirm that this will not harm his tablet?
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Heya there! Seems like I'm one of the unlucky ones who got a 2.2 Transformer. Is there a safe way to install one of the 3.1 roms on those? I don't just want to go ahead and update the thing with like, Primordial, because it might break it if the partitioning is different.
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yes, it is possible. not sure if it is public yet.
Wait, some of these TFs come with Froyo? Lol, seriously? I hope I misunderstood that.
Some (I think 5 are known by now) did indeed. It's an early version of Froyo that has a lot of apps for testing the different hardware of the transformer preinstalled, but is otherwise... Well, Froyo, not Honeycomb ^^
Also having problems installing it here... I figure I need to somehow replace the recovery, so I can use cwm, but I can't figure out how to do it. This Transformer also comes with a Fastboot option, so maybe there's more to it.
I can assure you that you would probably pull more money for it on ebay than you would for a regular transformer. Not to mention, several people who purchased tablets that had 2.2 on it were contacted by ASUS and we given the option to replace it and I think they got some kind of bonus for turning it in. I can certainly imagine they don't want their in house programs leaking out to other companies or the public.
Return it to the retailer or call Asus.
You're not the first that posted about getting 2.2.
It's useless, don't bother selling it on eBay, they charge 9% for things over $400+ and PayPal charges 3%, It's really not worth selling it.
I'm putting this in general because there is no Q&A, why is that?
I'm going to be receiving the x-former in a couple of days, and I just wan to know where to start.
Should I just leave it alone, or root?
Should I custom ROM it up?
I also have a Samsung Captivate with CyanogenMod 7, currently in nightly. My point is I'm not new to the android game, I just want your opinion, is there and need to bring my x-former to the dark side, or is it already capable enough?
I would suggest you try it out for a while and see if you need to root it. Unlike my phones and Nook, I have found no reason to root my transformer.
Hi!
Before receiving it I thought that first thing I'd be doing upon receiving my TF was going to be get it rooted. Actually I haven't needed rooting it until now.
I'd recommended you updated it OTA to 3.1 if necessary and then simply enjoying it. If time comes that make you think you need rooting then go ahead.
Enjoy yur new TF.
Regards.
I like the other posters, Have not rooted or Modded my Transformer. I was a big G Tablet user/fan, but the Transformer blows it away for about the same Retail Price. The stock 3.1 (Via OTA update) really makes this a great tablet. I have not seen any reason for me to ROOT (Other than Supplament WIFI for Ad-Hoc teathering) and maybe CWM Backup. I am going to wait for a while for things to settle down before I go down the Alternate ROMS path. The G tablet was different as it was useless out of the box.
CalvinH said:
Hi!
Before receiving it I thought that first thing I'd be doing upon receiving my TF was going to be get it rooted. Actually I haven't needed rooting it until now.
I'd recommended you updated it OTA to 3.1 if necessary and then simply enjoying it. If time comes that make you think you need rooting then go ahead.
Enjoy yur new TF.
Regards.
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Thanks! My thought has been to just try it, but knowing that I would put a ROM on it, but the Transformer seem solid on its own, from what I have read.
Starting to second guess rooting.
How is this possible, a non rooted android device in MY hands... crazy.
Update to 3.1, find good honeycomb apps (the thread in the apps/theme forum can be very usefull) then enjoy.
Right now, rooting the TF isn't nearly as interesting as it is for phones.
Oh and there's various dual battery widget specificaly made for the TF wich display the battery left in the dock (wich you cannot see otherwise), i suggest you grab one as soon as you can.
kokusho said:
Update to 3.1, find good honeycomb apps (the thread in the apps/theme forum can be very usefull) then enjoy.
Right now, rooting the TF isn't nearly as interesting as it is for phones.
Oh and there's various dual battery widget specificaly made for the TF wich display the battery left in the dock (wich you cannot see otherwise), i suggest you grab one as soon as you can.
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Not getting, at-least yet. I'm just a poor 16 year-old kid, the dock put me out of my budget. Ill hopefully get it later!
aaaww
How sad! the dock is awesome.
kokusho said:
aaaww
How sad! the dock is awesome.
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Yep, that's my thought, but hell, I gotta look at the bright side, I did get 400 bucks for it in one day! (My family is AWESOME!)
jerrykur said:
I would suggest you try it out for a while and see if you need to root it. Unlike my phones and Nook, I have found no reason to root my transformer.
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I agree,
I had a htc desire and rooted it because I wanted to overclock the CPU to save battery, but I don't think thats necessary with the transformer.
I've been in close contact via email with Acer and reporting all the problems and so on.
And now the latest email I got was saying they are not sure about the exact date of release but that it will definately be in the end of july. But they did not state what issues they would fix.
Just sharing some info.
Cheers!
Thanks for sharing.
the information my contact gave me was very blurry...
something about 3.2 and A100.
also about the Iconia Smart
Thanks to the Senior Members
Thanks to the senior members from a newbie for staying on top of 3.1 release of honeycomb for the A500. It's very fustrating not knowing when the release is coming out and not getting squat from Acer for information. I've only had my Iconia for 6 weeks and I'm holding out paying any money for Apps or rooting my tablet until the new version comes out but my patience is wearing out. Do you think that's the right strategy.
Why hold out on buying apps? Anything you buy now isn't going to suddenly stop working with 3.1...
Same goes for rooting, really. It's an easy process to undo, and 3.1 is already out and rooted, there's just an unconfirmed rumour that it has been temporarily withdrawn.
And besides that, even after a hard reset you can still download your previously bought apps without having to pay for them again. Google knows how to remember what you bought
And you need to root to create a system backup. My device for example updated to a "dud" - a firmware that was withdrawn and couldn't update further. Had to flash the right update.zip upgrade to be able to get 3.1.
Bec07 said:
And you need to root to create a system backup. My device for example updated to a "dud" - a firmware that was withdrawn and couldn't update further. Had to flash the right update.zip upgrade to be able to get 3.1.
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I think it's the same case for me. I had a nandroid backup of my official firmware before going custom. Sad to say, it seems that the OTA update I had was a dud like yours. It updated to Acer_A500_1.126.03_COM_GEN1 and I was unable to get any updates.
Constant negative responnses
FloatingFatMan said:
Why hold out on buying apps? Anything you buy now isn't going to suddenly stop working with 3.1...
Same goes for rooting, really. It's an easy process to undo, and 3.1 is already out and rooted, there's just an unconfirmed rumour that it has been temporarily withdrawn.
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Really.. uncomfirmed rumour that t has been temporarily withdrawn? Is that why I can no longer get it? I read your posts and so often they flame.. Just like the rumour of global warming right?
lanisan said:
Really.. uncomfirmed rumour that t has been temporarily withdrawn? Is that why I can no longer get it? I read your posts and so often they flame.. Just like the rumour of global warming right?
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Huh? What the f--- are you talking about? I'm not flaming anyone, just telling the OP there's zero need to wait regarding buying apps from the market.
Get back under your bridge, troll.
Im thinking Acer is trying to conserve resources. Instead of working thruball the bugs are waiting for Google's release.then making there adjustments. And pushing big releases instead of a bunch of minor releases.and I think it might be best for everyone in the long run.less fragmentation with all the small updates
Again my openion only
So, basically, August.
I predict I'll get my update the 2nd week of - or later.
My Iconia updated without issue on the 9th. And aside from doing the double restet button to fix wifi, I've been enjoying all the new features and speed (the screen scrolling/swiping finally matches the rest and pricier other HC tablets).
As for the end of July date you posted, I think it might be HC 3.2 after reading this-
http://gizmodo.com/5820527/your-android-tablet-just-got-better-whats-new-in-android-32
jacobras said:
And besides that, even after a hard reset you can still download your previously bought apps without having to pay for them again. Google knows how to remember what you bought
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awesome.. I did not know that. Since we're on the subject of buying Apps I read on another post that some clown took apps and added some malware and a root kit to hack your system. I guess he got caught when someone noticed the new version wasn't being sold by the original developer or something like that. Anyway since I'm not that saavy yet is there a way to make sure I'm buying something that's clean.
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Why hold out on buying apps? Anything you buy now isn't going to suddenly stop working with 3.1...
Same goes for rooting, really. It's an easy process to undo, and 3.1 is already out and rooted, there's just an unconfirmed rumour that it has been temporarily withdrawn.
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Alrighty then... I guess I'll go back to the threads on rooting and give it a shot. Since I've got some droid heads here I can ask another dumb question. Once I root this puppy is there a way to get a terminal window to run some linux-like commands or am I out to lunch on that
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Alrighty then... I guess I'll go back to the threads on rooting and give it a shot. Since I've got some droid heads here I can ask another dumb question. Once I root this puppy is there a way to get a terminal window to run some linux-like commands or am I out to lunch on that
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Terminal emulator, I think that's it...In the market.
I've a question, do providers have to get extra bandwidth to push out updates, and could that be a factor why some of them might do it in batches so they don't have to pay up for extra bandwidth? Acer reps saying that the update may arrive in a week or two doesn't make sense when some have received their updates already even two successive builds in some cases :/
version 7.006.01 available....
downloading as we speak... can't wait to start playing
I got an hour ago. So far it seems to play smoother video but I haven't really had a chance to test drive
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Anyone tried Netflix yet?
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version 7.006.01 available....
downloading as we speak... can't wait to start playing
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Don't get too excited. You can't root 3.2 yet.
I got the update this morning in Vancouver. If there is no root by the end of the weekend (I don't have my hopes up), then I'm downgrading. I need ad-hoc to work.
Got it last night in Nova Scotia.
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Don't get too excited. You can't root 3.2 yet.
I got the update this morning in Vancouver. If there is no root by the end of the weekend (I don't have my hopes up), then I'm downgrading. I need ad-hoc to work.
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Unfortunately I am not currently aware of a way to downgrade. trying to flash a lower version appears to leave the tablet unbootable. (otherwise I would be back on 3.1 until root for 3.2 appears)
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Unfortunately I am not currently aware of a way to downgrade. trying to flash a lower version appears to leave the tablet unbootable. (otherwise I would be back on 3.1 until root for 3.2 appears)
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Well hopefully someone will figure something out... otherwise its easier to upgrade keeping root than to upgrade and try and re-establish root.
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Well hopefully someone will figure something out... otherwise its easier to upgrade keeping root than to upgrade and try and re-establish root.
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Unfortunately it's too late for that for many of us...
When I upgraded I realized root may not work, but I always figured if it didn't I'd simply downgrade again and be ok... I never imagined that the downgrade wouldn't be possible either.
As my girlfriend said when I described it to her "who do they think they are? don't they know that you already paid for the device, it's not theirs anymore, why do they think they can still tell you what you can and can't do on it?" (Unfortunately I am not currently aware of any large technology company who believes that they actually sell you a device, they all think you merely rent it from them)
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Unfortunately it's too late for that for many of us...
When I upgraded I realized root may not work, but I always figured if it didn't I'd simply downgrade again and be ok... I never imagined that the downgrade wouldn't be possible either.
As my girlfriend said when I described it to her "who do they think they are? don't they know that you already paid for the device, it's not theirs anymore, why do they think they can still tell you what you can and can't do on it?" (Unfortunately I am not currently aware of any large technology company who believes that they actually sell you a device, they all think you merely rent it from them)
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I'm in the same boat. Acer has always been pretty flexible, so I just assumed I'd be able to downgrade. Now I'm stuck.
This could likely be my last Acer product. Not that that carries any weight, considering how many returns they had on the initial run of the A500, which didn't appear to bother them that much. (Have you tried the new A500's, or the refurbs? The GPS actually works!)
I understand that they don't want us mucking around with these types of things, in order to keep themselves from getting flooded with warranty and service calls from the idiots who bricked their tablet, but they often adopt the wrong attitude. It's like some irrational need to police what people do with a product, after they bought and paid for it. I'm not sure why consumer electronics differ from any other purchased property (cars, houses, appliances, etc). I wish they would understand that they do not still own my tablet.
Then again, we did choose to install the update. It wasn't exactly forced on us. So maybe we're the idiots.
-PW
Every android device I had was not able to be downgraded. Not just acer. Ask the people who upgraded their EVO 4G to gingerbread. If your expecting to root you should always way until their is a rooted ROM available and never accept ota
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Why is the US version always the last one to get the update? On .13 and none yet :-\
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I am happy that the new update seems to have made things smoother, but I am still getting the odd crash from apps like Dolpin Browser which is highly annoying, especially when I am in the middle of typing somthing big and then it FC's on me and I lose everything.
was in update loop
Dunno if this happened to anyone else. The tablet kept downloading the update and failing. I downloaded 3.2 update at least 8 times. The solution was to reset the tablet and then apply the update.
I've read its likely due to incompatible apps.
I'm happily on 3.2 now.
Does someone have the link to Acer for this update? If so please post the link.
Thanks
stevdes said:
Does someone have the link to Acer for this update? If so please post the link.
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No link, however a couple of us captured the update as it came in to our tablets, and have you can find the files here
A couple things.
I am still on 3.1 but this is because i patched for Netflix.
Now the device thinks it's a Xoom on 3.2 (which it is not, as we all know).
First question is has anyone tried Netflix with the update?
I'll search for it but does anyone have the original file that the netflix patch replaced?
I can't remember what it's called so it's difficult to search for it
Hmmm sounds like ill stay on 3.1
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