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[Q] Different version Cyanogenmod for Galaxy S II

There will be two different version of Galaxy S II, one with Tegra 2 and one with Samsung's own Exynos SoC. My question is, will there be two version of custom roms (Cyanogenmod) as the SoCs are different?

Only one version is required, as the instruction set are the same.
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i wonder if Cyanogenmod will be supporting sgs II?

onbacardi said:
i wonder if Cyanogenmod will be supporting sgs II?
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Depends if device is locked.
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one 1 version si required as far as i know

Zeron.Wong said:
Only one version is required, as the instruction set are the same.
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i dont get it, since both needs different drivers to operate the chips. And what do you mean by having same instruction sets?

It better not be locked. I haven't really had a Samsung phone recently. Do they usually lock theirs?

apwhitelaw said:
It better not be locked. I haven't really had a Samsung phone recently. Do they usually lock theirs?
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nope they don't locked their phones, Samsung usually leaves them open. Except for the Galaxy Tab but, that's a different story.

Yet, with their product highlights of "Security", it could be questioned whether if they would have a locked bootloader.

dhruvmalik said:
Yet, with their product highlights of "Security", it could be questioned whether if they would have a locked bootloader.
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They're not related at all. At all.

edwin3210 said:
i dont get it, since both needs different drivers to operate the chips. And what do you mean by having same instruction sets?
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Drivers and instruction sets are different.... yes the drivers are needed for inter chip communication on the device, the instruction set are the coding instructions that are then through a compiler broken down into the machine code that the individual chip can interpret and such...
hope that helps

The instruction sets will be mostly the same. However, Samsung optimizes their processors for better routines in certain operations. This, though, should not impact development too much, aside from the normal driver issues and GSM/CDMA differences.

It would be so much more easier if samsung just used one processor.
This is the first ever phone iv seen that uses two different processors/ screen types.
I know they did it cause they couldnt supply enough of the screen/ exynos processors... but still.. >.<

RedBlueGreen said:
It would be so much more easier if samsung just used one processor.
This is the first ever phone iv seen that uses two different processors/ screen types.
I know they did it cause they couldnt supply enough of the screen/ exynos processors... but still.. >.<
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RedBlueGreen said:
It would be so much more easier if samsung just used one processor.
This is the first ever phone iv seen that uses two different processors/ screen types.
I know they did it cause they couldnt supply enough of the screen/ exynos processors... but still.. >.<
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This is not the first time SGS1 had also diff models.

RedBlueGreen said:
It would be so much more easier if samsung just used one processor.
This is the first ever phone iv seen that uses two different processors/ screen types.
I know they did it cause they couldnt supply enough of the screen/ exynos processors... but still.. >.<
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to my knowledge the only difference possibly between models would be exynos or tegra 2... i didn't think there was a difference in screens? am I just daft/in a world of dreams? links?

Dameon87 said:
The instruction sets will be mostly the same. However, Samsung optimizes their processors for better routines in certain operations. This, though, should not impact development too much, aside from the normal driver issues and GSM/CDMA differences.
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Yes, thats what I was worried about. The cyanogenmod will need more development time as there are two different version around for galaxy s2.

RedBlueGreen said:
It would be so much more easier if samsung just used one processor.
This is the first ever phone iv seen that uses two different processors/ screen types.
I know they did it cause they couldnt supply enough of the screen/ exynos processors... but still.. >.<
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??? i thought it was just the SoC being different, and now they gonna be two different display screen as well? omg, the biggest attraction for Galaxy s II is the super amoled++. And what I see at the moment, asian region will get the Tegra2 and SLCD version if what you said comes true

i9100 = exynos + super amoled plus
i9103 = tegra2 + SLCD
SGS1 had i9000 and i9003:
http://www.phonegg.com/compare/27/Samsung-I9000-Galaxy-S-8GB-vs-Samsung-I9003-Galaxy-SL.html

golf2vr6 said:
i9100 = exynos + super amoled plus
i9103 = tegra2 + SLCD
SGS1 had i9000 and i9003:
http://www.phonegg.com/compare/27/Samsung-I9000-Galaxy-S-8GB-vs-Samsung-I9003-Galaxy-SL.html
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was shock seeing what you typed here initially, there are no sources saying Tegra2 version will get SLCD. Moreover,Galaxy SL is meant to replace Galaxy S, Galaxy S will be discontinued/cease production, where the SL version will become Samsung's mid range phone this year.

[Q] Noob question: difference between 10.1 & 10.1v?

Hi all! as the subject says I'd like to know if there's any difference between the GT 10.1 and 10.1v? How many different models exist (10" from Samsung) ? AFAIK there's only one that's going to be released in the next days, but I may be wrong.
TIA!

Have you searched from the internet?
Not to be rude, but there are loads of information there.
Please do, and come back if you want something more specific.
The 10.1v is the "old" model, sold by Vodafone in Europe also Australia.

Hi
I have one 10.1v I bought a few days ago.from Vodafone, mine its not locked no Vodafone.
I believe from what I gave read that the 10.1v is a build from Samsung with some requirements from Vodafone....from the 10.1v runs stock honeycomb while I believe the 10.1 will run the Samsung touch wiz or something like that.
The 10.1v also doesn't have SD card, at least mine doesn't.....
For now that's what I know
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gogol said:
Have you searched from the internet?
Not to be rude, but there are loads of information there.
Please do, and come back if you want something more specific.
The 10.1v is the "old" model, sold by Vodafone in Europe also Australia.
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OK thanks! I'll try to find some more info googling... (like: are there HW differences between them?)

I know one of the biggest differences is that the 10v is thick like the xoom and the 10.1 is thinner than the ipad2
Uplinked through my mind

Though one sacrifice the newer 10.1 had to make seems to be with the camera. The back camera is only 3.0MP, while the older 10.1V has an 8MP camera.
Also not sure if the 10.1V is using a PLS display like the newer 10.1 is.
Both have Tegra 2 processors with 1GB RAM.

Mine has 8.6mm how much is the new one?
Thanks
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According to Samsung, the new model has exactly the same thickness as yours, check: http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxytab

Ravynmagi said:
Both have Tegra 2 processors with 1GB RAM.
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So YOU say! ;-) or do you have an actual source to back this claim up?

galtom said:
So YOU say! ;-) or do you have an actual source to back this claim up?
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Nvidia CEO is praising the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Many Galaxy Tab 10.1 Google IO edition owners shown Quadrant shots showing Tegra 2 inside.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no doubt it's Tegra 2. I thought this was put to rest a long time ago.

Ravynmagi said:
Nvidia CEO is praising the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Many Galaxy Tab 10.1 Google IO edition owners shown Quadrant shots showing Tegra 2 inside.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no doubt it's Tegra 2. I thought this was put to rest a long time ago.
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yes, but galtom has been holding hope for exynos longer than anyone in the world. also, the engadget post on 7310gt rekindles my hope too.
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The way I see it (I know it is unlikely but... it gives me hope ) is that White GT 10.1 is wi-fi only.
Because Samsung has to compete with Apple and will want to be seen as cheaper this model will not feature Exynos, no sd card support or any other extras but nice price tag.
Black GT 10.1 will be a 3G and as such is competing in a bit different price class where price itself is secondary to extras and features. So even if pad with them will be a bit more expensive than iPad2 it is not that important. In mind of general public it will be settled that GT 10.1 is cheaper, thinner and lighter... once you want more from your device you pay extra but you get a lot more than from competitive product.
Another reasons for me to have hope are....
1. Why would you spend thousands of $ to develop a chip if you will only use it in some of you phones? It would be OK if Exynos was bad, but it is not... so first you pay to make it and than you buy from Nvidia??? Where is logic in this?
2. Since Samsung know already for a while about how good Exynos is I would think that with every passing day they will want to volume needed/produced to grow/improve. Wouldn't you?
3. It seems to me that it would be smarter for Samsung to use as little Tegra chips as necessary. Would you want to give money to your competitor instead of improving you EXISTING design and production unit. For me that looks like acting against myself?
4. It is steel a while before we will see 3G model, look at my point no 2.
5. If all units do come with Tegra 2 inside why so much secrecy in the subject? Isn't it not similar as to Galaxy S II story?
5. If not Exynos than - it still might be a divix certified device - questions is... will "add on" to tegra design from Samsung help with mkv and in general High Profile playback?
6. It seems to me that it would be funny if flagship computer tablet would be less capable than a phone or in some ways even as the tablet of previous generation. This would mean that if you would add a docking station to Galaxy S II in form of the 10.1 screen it would be the best tablet on the market ;-) (sort of recent ASUS idea).
If any one has a sensible explanation to points above... please share.

galtom said:
1. Why would you spend thousands of $ to develop a chip if you will only use it in some of you phones? It would be OK if Exynos was bad, but it is not... so first you pay to make it and than you buy from Nvidia??? Where is logic in this?
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This covers all 3 of your first points in fact;
Samsung's internal business structure is not as monolithic or homogenous as you might expect. The mobile division does not just walk down the corridor to the semi-conductor business and say "hey we're building a new device, we want your best SoC for it.", from what I hear (and according to Engadget or ThisIsMyNext, can't remember which one) Samsung makes its own business units (and there are a LOT of business units) compete with external bidders for inclusion in their hardware / project (I hear LG operate in a similiar fashion as well). So it's not a given that Samsung will go with their own gear, just because it is in the family.
Also, considering the Galaxy S2 will be using both Exynos and Tegra 2 hints at difficulties producing enough Exynos units to fulfil the expected demand for the Galaxy S2. This makes me believe there will be no supply to use in the 10.1
See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_galaxy_s2#Launch
I honestly believe that Samsung will put priority for Exynos to be made available to the Galaxy S2. I'm sure Samsung would love to deploy the Exynos to as many devices as possible, but they may not be able to meet demand.
galtom said:
5. If all units do come with Tegra 2 inside why so much secrecy in the subject? Isn't it not similar as to Galaxy S II story?
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You cannot take silence & secrecy to mean that they are being silent because they want to surprise everyone with something amazing like this being the first non Tegra 2 Honeycomb tablet.
It would be amazing for Samsung (or anyone for that matter) to release a tablet with an SoC better than Tegra 2, but I doubt that will happen with the 10.1. Of course, no one knows for sure and Samsung might be able to pull it together for the 10.1 3G launch, but I'd be more pessimistic than optimistic at this stage.
Hope you don't get too disappointed if it doesn't work out

I am already as much disappointed as it is possible.
And there is a tablet with better soc out there (ipad2) but because of stupid iOS all this potential is lost :-(
I was in app store yesterday to have a look at it...I would not hesitate and buy it but iOS and iTunes (itunes everywhere, for everything do put me of). + I do have a NAS drive ith over 800Gb of tv shows and movies that I do want to watch.
So both tegra 2 and iPad are no go :-(

Yes discounting the iPad 2 of course - I did mean a Honeycomb tablet
I also remembered that Samsung will be using the new Qualcomm Dual Core Snapdragon in their 4.5" "Hercules":
http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/17/exclusive-samsung-hercules-t-mobile-dual-core-infuse-4g/
This seems to further strengthen the claims of Samsung's cut-throat internal business unit policies and also the Exynos supply limitations. Maybe.

limaunion said:
How many different models exist (10" from Samsung)?
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As far as I know, there's 3 major versions of the 10.1" from Samsung.
1. Galaxy Tab 10.1V (this is the original 10.1 tab announced at MWC).
2. Galaxy Tab 10.1 (this is the revised design of the 10.1 tab announced at CTIA).
3. Galaxy Tab 10.1 IO (this is the limited edition Tab 10.1 given to attendees at Google I/O 2011, very slightly different spec to the normal Tab 10.1).
The variants of each type as far as I know is as follows:
The 10.1V comes in 2 variants:
1. 16GB or 32GB built-in storage (WiFi+3G)
The 10.1 IO comes in a single variant:
1. 32GB built-in storage (WiFi only)
The 10.1 comes in a variety of specs
1. 16GB, 32GB or 64GB built-in storage
2. WiFi only or WiFi+3G
3. Black or white
(Although, every combination of spec may not be possible e.g. I vaguely recall the 64GB model was not available for the WiFi only versions).
I've collated this info from various posts I've read so happy to be corrected if I've got anything wrong.

only correction here is the IO comes in Wifi only but Google gave you a 4G Mifi unit to go with it
Techno79 said:
As far as I know, there's 3 major versions of the 10.1" from Samsung.
1. Galaxy Tab 10.1V (this is the original 10.1 tab announced at MWC).
2. Galaxy Tab 10.1 (this is the revised design of the 10.1 tab announced at CTIA).
3. Galaxy Tab 10.1 IO (this is the limited edition Tab 10.1 given to attendees at Google I/O 2011, very slightly different spec to the normal Tab 10.1).
The variants of each type as far as I know is as follows:
The 10.1V comes in 2 variants:
1. 16GB or 32GB built-in storage (WiFi+3G)
The 10.1 IO comes in a single variant:
1. 32GB built-in storage (WiFi+3G)
The 10.1 comes in a variety of specs
1. 16GB, 32GB or 64GB built-in storage
2. WiFi only or WiFi+3G
3. Black or white
(Although, every combination of spec may not be possible e.g. I vaguely recall the 64GB model was not available for the WiFi only versions).
I've collated this info from various posts I've read so happy to be corrected if I've got anything wrong.
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animatechnica said:
only correction here is the IO comes in Wifi only but Google gave you a 4G Mifi unit to go with it
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Right, but that's only 90 days of service and has nothing to do with the tablet

the biggest difference is that 10.1v comes with only 512MB of RAM
I have 16GB, from Australia.

Hi guys! A newbie question if there ever was one.

Hi guys, I hail from the Evo forums but you can find my posts in the MyTouch 3g Slide forums as well.
I don't develop (yet), but I have done a lot of test work for people and I have a guide or two up as well.
Umm my super noob question. What is the difference between 10.1 and 10.1v development? I can take a flame, as you can see I've been here awhile and I know this is a rookie question so as long as I get the right answer, I can take 3 pages of flames
Otherwise, I can't wait to be here more often and contribute in some way to this awesome device!

AbsolutZeroGI said:
What is the difference between 10.1 and 10.1v development...
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Sorry if I took your question too literally, but 10.1 and 10.1v are two different Samsung tablets... Technically 10.1v is the predecessor to 10.1.
You can read more by going to Wikipedia and looking at the "Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1" page... simply scroll down to the "Model Comparison" section.

marcham93 said:
Sorry if I took your question too literally, but 10.1 and 10.1v are two different Samsung tablets... Technically 10.1v is the predecessor to 10.1.
You can read more by going to Wikipedia and looking at the "Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1" page... simply scroll down to the "Model Comparison" section.
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Thank you very much! I guess 10.1 is the one I'll be getting, so that's the one I'll pay attention to. Thanks again!

AbsolutZeroGI said:
I guess 10.1 is the one I'll be getting, so that's the one I'll pay attention to.
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...unless yours is coming from Europe. 10.1v = Europe vodafone

markp99 said:
...unless yours is coming from Europe. 10.1v = Europe vodafone
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Afraid your incorrect, the 10.1v is not widely availiable. It's replacement, the thinner 10.1, is all over the place in the U.K. I imagine the same is true over the whole of Europe

10.1v was the old model distributed and sold by Vodafone.
The 10.1 is the successor. Vodafone has also replaced the 10.1v with the 10.1.
The 10.1v was heavier, thicker and had a better camera. Have a look at the backside of the tablets and you'll see that they look quite different

galaxy TAB 5in

will this run roms for the 10,1 in galaxy tab?

lashton said:
will this run roms for the 10,1 in galaxy tab?
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No. ROMs built for a specific device will not generally run on other devices.
To complicate things, there is no such thing as a 5-inch Galaxy Tab. I can only assume you're talking about the 5.3" Galaxy Note. Despite running on different hardware all round, the Note runs Android 2.3 whereas the 10.1" runs the completely different Android 3.1/2.
Unless they are extremely similar (i.e. based off the same hardware and software) ROMs will not run on devices other than the ones it was built for.

agc93 said:
No. ROMs built for a specific device will not generally run on other devices.
To complicate things, there is no such thing as a 5-inch Galaxy Tab. I can only assume you're talking about the 5.3" Galaxy Note. Despite running on different hardware all round, the Note runs Android 2.3 whereas the 10.1" runs the completely different Android 3.1/2.
Unless they are extremely similar (i.e. based off the same hardware and software) ROMs will not run on devices other than the ones it was built for.
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WRONG again
http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/pdas-handhelds/other-pdas/auction-419213558.htm
so they do exist only answer if you know what you are talking about please

You owe agc93 an apology. You don't think you do, but you do.
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lashton said:
WRONG again
http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/pdas-handhelds/other-pdas/auction-419213558.htm
so they do exist only answer if you know what you are talking about please
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Actually, try again OP. That auction is wrongly named. That is, in fact, a Samsung Galaxy Tab GT-P1010, a 7" tablet. Not a 5-inch as you claimed. Get your facts sorted before you go making accusations.
As for the original question, same problem remains. That tab (a P1010) will not run any ROMs made for other Tabs like the P1000 or the 10.1" P7510, since they all have different hardware.
PS: Thanks for the support Archer!

lashton said:
WRONG again
http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/pdas-handhelds/other-pdas/auction-419213558.htm
so they do exist only answer if you know what you are talking about please
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Hilarious

just because someone is selling it in an auction doesn't make it exists.
And such harsh words to someone who is just trying to help others.
sigh....

there is a 5 inch samsung galaxy wifi - its a tablet but they dont consider it one,
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/mp3-digital-audio/mobile-internet-players/YP-G70CW/XEU
Samsung YP-G70CW
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_wifi_5_0-3838.php
samsung tab 5inch
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=444562264

so, if I own a Galaxy S II, I can call it a Galaxy Tab 4.3"
or if I own a Galaxy Nexus I also can call it Galaxy Tab ?
Your links are all Galaxy S wifi BTW...
The point is... agc93 should not bark like that and should apologize the soonest he could. Don't you agree?

yes the point is that agc93 was being negative,
but isnt the TAB meaning tablet ? if its touchscreen, personal assistant,larger than cellphone then its a tablet ?
s2 and nexus are cellphones, they are below 5 inches and not considered a tablet
i would say a tablet must be at lease 5 inches, the links i gave was a wifi media device with no gsm, could that be used as a tablet ?,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_computer
"tablet, is a mobile computer, larger than a mobile phone or personal digital assistant, integrated into a flat touch screen and primarily operated by touching the screen rather than using a physical keyboard."

which s3 lte model to get?

Hi,
I've been monitoring the S3 lte threads and researching the different variants of the i9305.
So far i've been inclined to get the HK version which supports multiple lte bands.
I need your options\advise here please. Are there any pro's/con's with this choice? Would you recommend a different model?
http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/consumer/mobile/mobile-phones/smartphone/GT-I9305TADTGY-spec
I just want to be sure before i go ahead and buy it.

Steve113 said:
Hi,
I've been monitoring the S3 lte threads and researching the different variants of the i9305.
So far i've been inclined to get the HK version which supports multiple lte bands.
I need your options\advise here please. Are there any pro's/con's with this choice? Would you recommend a different model?
http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/consumer/mobile/mobile-phones/smartphone/GT-I9305TADTGY-spec
I just want to be sure before i go ahead and buy it.
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Con, plastic, close undocumented source code, no full project butter, pentile display, back cover easy scratch, slow update, s voice useless, ugly design, display bezel bump out result easy crack when drop, ugly touchwiz software icon like iphone, don't listen to codeworkx advice to release true source code, make codeworkx mad run away, home button misplaced, Samsung logo on the front, amoled screen burn, not true black, bloatware, amoled lifespan less compare to lcd..
Pro, big screen.
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w1nter456 said:
Con, plastic, close undocumented source code, no full project butter, pentile display, back cover easy scratch, slow update, s voice useless, ugly design, display bezel bump out result easy crack when drop, ugly touchwiz software icon like iphone, don't listen to codeworkx advice to release true source code, make codeworkx mad run away, home button misplaced, Samsung logo on the front, amoled screen burn, not true black, bloatware, amoled lifespan less compare to lcd..
Pro, big screen.
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Nice

Steve113 said:
Hi,
I've been monitoring the S3 lte threads and researching the different variants of the i9305.
So far i've been inclined to get the HK version which supports multiple lte bands.
I need your options\advise here please. Are there any pro's/con's with this choice? Would you recommend a different model?
http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/consumer/mobile/mobile-phones/smartphone/GT-I9305TADTGY-spec
I just want to be sure before i go ahead and buy it.
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If you want S3 LTE I rather you get the Note II. I think more developers will develop for the S3 International 3G version than the LTE version. At least Note II is only LTE version so to me more people will develop roms and kernels for the Note II than the S3 LTE.

tanjiajun_34 said:
If you want S3 LTE I rather you get the Note II. I think more developers will develop for the S3 International 3G version than the LTE version. At least Note II is only LTE version so to me more people will develop roms and kernels for the Note II than the S3 LTE.
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Next nexus much better.
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w1nter456 said:
Next nexus much better.
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Thanks for your previous contributions I did wonder if you were trying to be funny or deliberately obtuse.
In any case the topic back to the topic I'm only interested in comparing the different LTE versions of the S3.
I know there are different variants out there like the Australian 9305, UK, HK and others....
anyone with useful information please put your input through...

Steve113 said:
Thanks for your previous contributions I did wonder if you were trying to be funny or deliberately obtuse.
In any case the topic back to the topic I'm only interested in comparing the different LTE versions of the S3.
I know there are different variants out there like the Australian 9305, UK, HK and others....
anyone with useful information please put your input through...
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Ok, 2g ram with lte. You won't regret it.
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