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Very nice series of videos comparing 10.1v and Acer Iconia, from HDblog (Italy).
- screen and multimedia;
- internet speed;
- overall comparison/review.
One thing that pops up is that 10.1v is way better. BTW, is it PLS?
Yea same question here,is the 10.1v PLS ?
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Yea same question here,is the 10.1v PLS ?
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I didn't think so but the screen is definitely nicer than the Acer
Interesting... I also didn't assume the 10.1v had a PLS screen. Then again, Acer could have just went with an extremely cheap TFT panel that looks like crap.
For what I've read from multiple sources, Acer Iconia's screen is regarded as a good one.
Iconia is supposed to be a BVA but I saw some of them in stores with what looked like TN...
Anyway PLS wins over BVA in every category, including reaction time.
Basically PLS is IPS + better angles/colors/reaction time.
What is a BVA?
Meant to say PVA sorry ^^
Nice post.
And what a difference between those screens. Also it looks as if the acer screen was .2 or .3 inches bigger than the samsung one. Maybe just my eyes
Regards.
Having used both, I'd say overall the 10.1v is a better tablet. Overall feel, looks, build quality beats the Acerbic model. Much less Bezel from the (non-scientific!) viewpoint of feeling and looking like it when you hold it!
Guys!
I had the Transformer for about 3 days now,as much as i love it,something in my heart is telling to return it and wait for the galaxy tab 10.1
My ISSUES
1. I have light bleed and 000000000000000.1 dead pixel on my,which doesnt really border me.
2.My wife said is too wide.
Guys! what should i do?
Well, if you're smart, you know the wife is the boss.
So there ya go.
my wife tells me mine is too wide all the time!
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my wife tells me mine is too wide all the time!
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Me Toohttp://media.xda-developers.com/images/icons/icon11.gif
if you don't need the keyboard, and don't mind not having stock honeycomb and being at samsungs mercy for updates, then go for the GTab.
Do what works for you and fits your needs best. Its personal depending on what you want/need. I'm not sure how forum members can help make the decision for you.
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Hmm, if Galaxy Tab 10.1 also has Tegra 2, then I might be slightly more interested in the Transformer due to its keyboard dock, USB and HDMI. But again, my heart is already sold out for the 10.1's PLS display. So, its a still tough choice for me
What is the difference between IPS and PLS?
Because the transformer IPS look good.
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Hmm, if Galaxy Tab 10.1 also has Tegra 2, then I might be slightly more interested in the Transformer due to its keyboard dock, USB and HDMI. But again, my heart is already sold out for the 10.1's PLS display. So, its a still tough choice for me
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Guys!
I had the Transformer for about 3 days now,as much as i love it,something in my heart is telling to return it and wait for the galaxy tab 10.1
My ISSUES
1. I have light bleed and 000000000000000.1 dead pixel on my,which doesnt really border me.
2.My wife said is too wide.
Guys! what should i do?
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1. Do you know that light bleed is more common than you think, right? even my iPad 2 (as test) have an awesome screen with light bleed. What if the Galaxy Tab also have light bleed?
2. I agree, it's very wide, even wider than Xoom. At least for me this is not a problem, is still very portable and light as iPad 1.
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Because the transformer IPS look good.
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IPS looks very good.
Regarding PLS, you can find some info here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/01/samsung-touts-super-pls-display-as-the-evolution-of-ips-on-smart/
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What is the difference between IPS and PLS?
Because the transformer IPS look good.
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You might want to look at these videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdu5PVjCGo0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1IJHYr5UYk
I really like both tablets and initially I was leaning towards the GT10.1. But I flipped over to the Transformer because of how well the keyboard dock works. The keyboard, touch pad, USB ports, extra SD slot, the Transformer becomes a netbook when you need it.
Second thing that swayed me to ASUS was Samsung's reputation for being very slow with updates. The GT10.1 starts out with vanilla Honeycomb, but eventually it'll get TouchWiz'ed and I imagine this will create big delays with Android updates in the future. The Transformer has only light changes and hopefully Android updates will be more timely.
Getting those Android updates as quickly as possible are important considering how new this Android tablet OS is.
What I still like about the GT10.1 though is how light it is. I like it's look and style more as well.
The PLS display sounds nice and is in the GT10.1's favor. But I get the impression it may not be much of a difference between it an IPS. Viewing angles are suppose to be a little better.
I have 11 days to decide to keep the Transformer. But I think I will. Being $100 cheaper also helps the Transformer too.
+ nicer sexier form factor
- skinned ui (touch wiz)
- Samsung updates = fail
Edit: after looking at the Samsung tab, it looks like a keyboard dock could be very possible since it's got a dock port in the same location as the Asus. However the Asus was specifically designed with a wide bezel to allow for a decent sized keyboard.
I think to actually have a dock like the Transformer, a tablet needs the locking slots alongside the port to keep the screen in place, especially when the combo is closed. So it's not likely something any of the upcoming tablets have as an option, unless I'm missing something.
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That's what she said!
(Not sure if this is inappropriate for this forum or not)
dark_aura said:
IPS looks very good.
Regarding PLS, you can find some info here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/01/samsung-touts-super-pls-display-as-the-evolution-of-ips-on-smart/
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wow that girl is really cute!
if you need the keyboard then stick to the transformer. I hate samsung and their lack of updates. I own a galaxy tab and though I love it so much, I cant stand Samsung. for me, its a no brainer, i need the keyboard for typing papers, notes and things of that sort. I dont really have a laptop anymore since i gave my macbook pro to my mom so i use tablets instead. everyone is raving about the asus display so i am sure it will be fine and i dont really care about PLS right now. but....
i havent actually touched one so i dont really know how its gonna feel in my hands since it is wider than most tablets. i think its worth the tradeoff since you can dock it and have an almost full-sized keyboard.
I don't think the keyboard is a big factor for me, i don't need it.
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I don't think the keyboard is a big factor for me, i don't need it.
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If you won't be using a keyboard dock. Then I think things lean more towards the Galaxy Tab because of it's lighter weight, PLS display, thinness, and style.
And Touch Wiz UX does look like it has some nice points to it. Just pray Samsung can can do better with tablet updates than it has with phone updates.
I'd probably go with the Galaxy Tab if you are not interested in the Transformers keyboard dock. And can survive waiting another 5 or 6 weeks.
Dunno why you guys are dissing Samsung over updates. There have been at least over 6 updates for the Galaxy S, disregarding regions. They were also the first to release Gingerbread to non-Google mobile phones.
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Dunno why you guys are dissing Samsung over updates. There have been at least over 6 updates for the Galaxy S, disregarding regions. They were also the first to release Gingerbread to non-Google mobile phones.
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And bunch of people I know who had stock galaxy s phones that did the stock update landed with bricked devices. They know what they are doing, so definitely not my friends fault lol.
I have seen a few questions on this forum asking if they should get the TF or wait for something like the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Well, I made a video comparing the two tablets. Hopefully this will help people make a better informed decision. Check it out and let me know what you think. For those undecided, which are you going to get?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2F9yxpQZ40
http://asustransform.com/2011/06/09/video-asus-eeepad-transformer-vs-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-fight/
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Good job!
I thought we couldn't over clock the transformer yet on 3.1 though, because the source wasn't available?
I think the image quality is much better on GT.
Again fantastic comparison. This is the comment I left on Youtube:
Thank you so much for this comparison, really help but still dont know which. Just going to wait to play with both in store before making up my mind. Would love the build and form of Galaxy with the abilities of the Transformer. Ahhhhh perfect world. Thanks again.
In the end, it's still HoneyComb - what you get is a different hardward, style design superior to Ipad2, thinner, sleeker, lighter than any tablet in the market now...but the same price Ipad2
Anyway, I almost pulled the trigger and but...wondering what I'm doing here, first Gtablet, sold it for losing $100 (to use for 2 months), now TF,,,I'm very pleased with TF and with GalaxyTab 10.1,,,what will I get? probably little different CPU, graphic, and weight, form design...TF serves me well for what I need to do while in my couch or on my bed!
I passed!
good luck everyone!
As a tablet there's not much between them,its the dock and the extra functionality you get with that ,which makes the TF stand out from any other android tablet,long form writting, extra storage,extra battery and use of usb devices are great but being able to charge my mobile from the dock wins it hands down for me
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If you want the #2 iPad on the market the Galaxy is your best bet. If you want the best Android tablet on the market then the Tranformer is it. Why? Android is about an alternative to iOS for those who want more functionality from their tablets. Looks like Samsung shot right at the iPad2 on specs, and aimed just slightly higher but not too far. Slightly thinner. Slightly larger battery. 3mp camera? Sounds like a spec picked just so in 6 months they can come out with a new model carrying a 5mp camera, then 6 months later an 8mp camera.
what is up with ASUS screen? it is supposed to be IPS superior to any other? I think they did something similar with color profiles on AMOLED screens to Tab too. as reviewer mentions, colors look more saturated. do you think ASUS would step up the competition, and change it in future updates to match color profiles of Samsung?
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what is up with ASUS screen? it is supposed to be IPS superior to any other? I think they did something similar with color profiles on AMOLED screens to Tab too. as reviewer mentions, colors look more saturated. do you think ASUS would step up the competition, and change it in future updates to match color profiles of Samsung?
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Who is to say that Samsung's saturated colors are "better?" Ideal would be an end-user control like the one you get on your TeeVee set, but generally, you want your display to represent some kind of baseline reality. Samsung picks a more vivid one. I guess it's up to the consumer to choose.
glg
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what is up with ASUS screen? it is supposed to be IPS superior to any other? I think they did something similar with color profiles on AMOLED screens to Tab too. as reviewer mentions, colors look more saturated. do you think ASUS would step up the competition, and change it in future updates to match color profiles of Samsung?
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I hope not the Samsung is oversaturated. It is unnatural. Try displaying a persons picture on the screen
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what is up with ASUS screen? it is supposed to be IPS superior to any other? I think they did something similar with color profiles on AMOLED screens to Tab too. as reviewer mentions, colors look more saturated. do you think ASUS would step up the competition, and change it in future updates to match color profiles of Samsung?
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Well, apparently the 10.1 Galaxy Tab is using new SuperPLS screens which is a step above the IPS panels.
Although, until three days ago this was completely unknown to me as well. Nobody seems to be excited by this screen, Samsung isn't even making a big deal out of it. I don't get it, the SuperAMOLED screens on the Galaxy S phones of last year were such a big part of the phone's marketing, but nobody mentions the Tab's screen.
But I agree with others, if SuperPLS is as saturated as Sammie's SuperAMOLED panels then I'm not sure I'd want one. The Galaxy S phones look amazing when your first pick them up but I actually dislike the overly saturated colours, it seems unnatural and hurts my eyes almost.
sometimes the over saturation is a good thing. but i guess it just depends on the consumer as someone stated. i remember that on the nexus a dev was able to build an app that adjusted the colors of the screen. maybe if there was something like that for the TF then we could tweak it a little. overall im pleased with the screen, you only see a difference when you put it right next to the galaxy tab. but on its own, it looks great.
Thanks for the compare, although I think to be relevant to most here, the Samsung needs to be updated to 3.1, as that's on the retail product. An updated compare would be helpful.
Also on many people's mind is the Tegra 2's lackluster performance on high profile 720p MKVs. Samsung has traditionally had strong multimedia support, as to wit its 5" PMPs as well as the 7" GalTab. I'm curious if Samsung has added native support for MKV for the native player, or is it still limited to only MP4 support. Again, a compare with a retail 3.1 version would be appreciated.
Meh the screen isn't that big of a deal. The only thing the Tab has going for itself is its size. But I need a MicroSD so I went with the TF.
Nice comparison
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what is up with ASUS screen? it is supposed to be IPS superior to any other? I think they did something similar with color profiles on AMOLED screens to Tab too. as reviewer mentions, colors look more saturated. do you think ASUS would step up the competition, and change it in future updates to match color profiles of Samsung?
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I hope Asus never gives us the Vivid mode on the 10.1. I prefer the colors on the TF. Its like the TVs at Best Buys where all are in Vivid mode aka cartoon mode.....Nasty
I think the screen on the Transformer looks pretty washed out. At least next to the 10.1. I will be returning my TF for it. The TF is an awesome tablet but I like the idea of a lighter and thinner tablet. Will I miss the SD card slot? Actually, no. I took my 16GB out of the TF a couple days ago for some reason and have yet to need it. The remote desktop client has been more than helpful for when I want to watch a movie or netflix.
A few other reasons for me choosing the 10.1 are the fact that I can purchase an adapter today to use for microSD, HDMI, and USB. The USB adapter is most important as I already have a beautiful Acer Timeline 13.3 laptop. With the TF, I couldn't get a USB port without turning it into a laptop. One other reason off the top of my head is the fact that I will be able to USB charge it from my computer while I use it. This was a big let down for me when using the TF.
It may sound like I'm bashing the TF pretty hard right now, but I really do like it and for the price, it still can't be beat.
The thing about the GT is it's just another Android tablet, minus sd card slot, minus USB ports, minus full keyboard functionality.
The only plus it had is added saturation, but that's like adding saturation to a good photo just because you want to change it, not because it needs it.
All this and minus $100/£100 in you wallet.
I don't know why people would even consider one over a Transformer
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The thing about the GT is it's just another Android tablet, minus sd card slot, minus USB ports, minus full keyboard functionality.
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Is that really a fair comparison?
The Transformer doesn't have a full SD slot or keyboard unless you pay an additional $150 for the dock, which will transform your Transformer into a thicker, heavier and decidedly un-tablet like device.
People need to dial down their fanboy tendencies up in here, seriously.
it's fair comparison and that's why the name is Transformer, but ppl are given choice not to unleash the 'beast'
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Hi, I am actualy an owner of first galaxy tab 7 version and I am considering the change to a newer one. I have in mind 2 or 3 options and I guess someone helps me with my decision. I dont want a 10" one because is too big for me. I am considering the 7.7 the p6210 and the 8.9" one. I dont care much for 3g as I can tether from my phone. I see the 8.9 comes with a tegra 2, is the procesor better than the 7.7? what about the p6210?
As I have been reading, the 7.7 is the only one that uses super amoled and I guess is better than normal tft...
Any help?
I would like to have a thin and light tablet, dont care too much of watching movies, and if possible officially upgradable to ICS, not SOD too.
Thabks in advance.
The best thing to do is to go try them out in a shop. Having said that, I'm guessing that if you liked the old tab and found the 10.1 too big, you will probably prefer the 7.7 over the 8.9. The 8.9, as far as I can recall, has the same internals as the 10.1. The 7.7 is only marginally larger than the old 7, has a faster processor than all of the other galaxy tabs, and is the lightest too. And has the best screen.
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The best thing to do is to go try them out in a shop. Having said that, I'm guessing that if you liked the old tab and found the 10.1 too big, you will probably prefer the 7.7 over the 8.9. The 8.9, as far as I can recall, has the same internals as the 10.1. The 7.7 is only marginally larger than the old 7, has a faster processor than all of the other galaxy tabs, and is the lightest too. And has the best screen.
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Well have you had some any sod? I have read that there is some issues on this...
thanks for the respose
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Hi, I am actualy an owner of first galaxy tab 7 version and I am considering the change to a newer one. I have in mind 2 or 3 options and I guess someone helps me with my decision. I dont want a 10" one because is too big for me. I am considering the 7.7 the p6210 and the 8.9" one. I dont care much for 3g as I can tether from my phone. I see the 8.9 comes with a tegra 2, is the procesor better than the 7.7? what about the p6210?
As I have been reading, the 7.7 is the only one that uses super amoled and I guess is better than normal tft...
Any help?
I would like to have a thin and light tablet, dont care too much of watching movies, and if possible officially upgradable to ICS, not SOD too.
Thabks in advance.
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Depending on your needs, the chipset on the 7.7 might prove to be faster but the tegra 2 is no slouch either.
The screen on the 7.7 is a bit of a lottery as with all SAMOLED based screens produced after the Galaxy S. If you compare both side by side, depending on your preferences you might find the 8.9 to show a more natural color tone, better white brightness and an over all uniform screen color, the PLS screen is very decent. The SAMOLED plus gets better black levels though and more saturated colors.. still all in all a preference thing.
If they had a Tab 7.7 with the very same form factor and weight but with PLS screen id get that one instead.
and what about the p6200? looks like a little brother of the p6810 and bigger than p1000... is dual core too, and a little bit resolution, any one know something about this one? Nobody in spain knows anything about this!
The Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus, Its been out for a while in my place and its also a good choice if you dont want SAMOLED.. its a tad bit heavier than the 7.7 but noticeably thicker. It also has the Mali-400 GPU and Exynos chipset at 1.2Ghz.
I kinda dislike text quality on it as I kinda see something that looks like interlacing going on with the text.
i am serioulsy the p6200/p6210 but I have been reading the xda forum and have seen that almost everyboy has the SOD problem and Samsung has said nothing yet...
As I can see, the more stable one right now is the 8.9" one... Despite of the weight and not as thin as the others... Not amoled too.
7.7 is my choice of tab, superior screen to my 7+ I wouldn't go any bigger than the 7.7 as it would be too uncomfortable to hold in my opinion. 7.7 screen is so much clearer and better in the sun. I find my 7+ a bit hard to see sometimes.
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I dont know how wide spread the random SOD is but it happens to my note and as well as others using full stock.
Despite the screen possible screen issues, im still getting the 7.7 though.. since you came from the original P1000 I think the P6800 is a better upgrade.. just make sure you buy locally incase you need to return/exchange it.
ouch! this.does not sound good. Anyone knows if its hardware or software? Hope Samsung will.fix it...
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Well have you had some any sod? I have read that there is some issues on this...
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I'm very happy with mine so far.
To add a bit to my earlier post. I think a really important factor is how you intend to use the device.
The old 7, 7.0+ and the 7.7 can be comfortably used with one hand for a somewhat extended period of time. (I do that with my 7.7 on the commute, often *standing* in public transit.) The fact that the 7.7 is the lightest device (335g) in this group is a very big plus for me.
From what I can see, the 10.1 (as with the iPads) is more comfortably used with both hands, or in a lap. While the 8.9 might be smaller and lighter, it is still closer to the 10.1 in this respect than the various 7s.
More than anything else, it was my expected usage pattern that determined that I would get the 7.7. Conversely, my current satisfaction or happiness with the device has a lot to do with this usage pattern.
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i am serioulsy the p6200/p6210 but I have been reading the xda forum and have seen that almost everyboy has the SOD problem and Samsung has said nothing yet...
As I can see, the more stable one right now is the 8.9" one... Despite of the weight and not as thin as the others... Not amoled too.
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I've had the GTab 7+ since November nad have never experienced SOD. Rooted an CWM. Fine tab and price has dropped to about $350US. No issues reading but as with all 7" webpages can be a chore...depending on the site really and not the tablet. Very smooth tab. The Xynos (spelling?) processor is MUCH better than the Tegra2 IMO. Great battery life, excellent screen (for not being SMOLED). On track for ICS according to Samsung. The fact the 8.9 doesn't have uSD broke that deal for me where the GTab 7+ does have uSD and IR for TV's, stereos, etc.
That said, I am lusting after the 7.7! Or waiting to see if the GTab 8.3 specs out well.
I havent gotten the 7.7 yet and now rumors of an 8.3!!
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I havent gotten the 7.7 yet and now rumors of an 8.3!!
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I know. Samsung cannibalizing on its own devices it would seem. And also releasing in March, a dual core Tab 2? Geez.
i got it
I fanally got the 7.7, hope it goes well!!
Saw one for the first time at a local shop.
Screen is AWFUL...might as well buy a ipad2 for that diluted contrast. How can Samsung, the king of displays, come out with such crapiness...Wow!
(My precious, precious 7.7...)
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why is this here?
Because I can not understand the HUGE difference between the 7.7 and 10.1 displays quality and would like it commented by fellow 7.7 users.
Is it OK with you?
XK
Probably a pentile display, right?
Samsung really needs to get their act together on this, is absurd that they put a pentile display in their flagship phone.
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Because I can not understand the HUGE difference between the 7.7 and 10.1 displays quality and would like it commented by fellow 7.7 users.
Is it OK with you?
XK
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SAMOLED+ vs LCD. Big SAMOLEDs are expensive, which explains most of the price of the 7.7 compared to the 7+. A SAMOLED 10.1 is not feasible today.
XDAKhan said:
Saw one for the first time at a local shop.
Screen is AWFUL...might as well buy a ipad2 for that diluted contrast. How can Samsung, the king of displays, come out with such crapiness...Wow!
(My precious, precious 7.7...)
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Samsung hasn't really got a 'good' 10.1 tab, as the Galaxy note 10.1 is as bad it seems.
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SAMOLED+ vs LCD. Big SAMOLEDs are expensive, which explains most of the price of the 7.7 compared to the 7+. A SAMOLED 10.1 is not feasible today.
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I understand that...but the TFT on my original Galaxy was quite good...and so was the one in the 8.9, which I passed only because of that "lack of SD slot" stunt.
Seeing that 10.1, it's like they're moving backwards...
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I actually really like last years model and cm10 jelly bean runs really well on it. Version 2 Kinda sucks. The screen isn't that great and it's ugly.
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I actually really like last years model and cm10 jelly bean runs really well on it. Version 2 Kinda sucks. The screen isn't that great and it's ugly.
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I am sorry. I should have made clear I was writing about the version 2.
...not only does Samsung load-up their "tab cannon" and sprinkle tabs all around but they also make sure the naming is as confusing as it could be...Together with screens that actual get WORSE, no wonder Mr. Hankil Yoon finds they are not doing very well
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_...ere-not-doing-very-well-in-the-tablet-market/
XK
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I am sorry. I should have made clear I was writing about the version 2.
...not only does Samsung load-up their "tab cannon" and sprinkle tabs all around but they also make sure the naming is as confusing as it could be...Together with screens that actual get WORSE, no wonder Mr. Hankil Yoon finds they are not doing very well
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_...ere-not-doing-very-well-in-the-tablet-market/
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Yeah, the Tab 2 isn't the successor to the regular Tab. It's more of a low cost alternative, while the new "high end" 10.1 tablet, which you're supposed to compare to the original Tab 10.1, is the Note 10.1. AFAIK, the Note 10.1 compares well with the original Tab 10.1 in every aspect.
Yesh, confusing as hell.Samsung should have made their names more straightforward.
Quit all your damn griping and enjoy your stupid consumer electronics. Get some bleedin' perspective on life.
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Nothing to do with the 7.7 tab