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Camera is terrible in low light, under all builds and kernels tested

First of all, I'd like to thank the XDA-Dev community. Without you, my poor Vogue would still be running WM6.1
I've been trying the Android builds for quite some time now, and while I'm in love with the buttery smooth UI, the wonderful responsiveness, and the general geeky goodness of having multiple OSes on a phone, there's still one issue that prevents me from fully embracing Android and flashing it to the NAND.
The camera.
Perhaps it would be better illustrated in picture form. Here are two pictures I took about five minutes ago of the desk beside my monitor. (I've resized them down, of course.) It's not dark here, but there's no light directly shining into the lens. Still plenty to take a decent snapshot, right?
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I'll give you three guesses as to which photo was taken under Android. And the first two don't count.
I've tried virtually every kernel and build I've come across on this site, from 1.5 to 2.0.1, using various zImage dates and combinations of those and the builds, and have still had no luck whatsoever.
Help me, someone. Please point out the obvious solution that I'm overlooking, so that I can use Android as a daily OS.

There is no obvious solution. Recent kernels are better (they have automatic whitebalance) but there are still noise issues. If I had to guess it's probably setting the camera's sensitivity (ISO) incorrectly, or lacking some sort of noise filtering that Windows Mobile's camera driver has, but Martin or another kernel developer would know more.
No magic noise switch, sorry.

bri3d said:
There is no obvious solution. Recent kernels are better (they have automatic whitebalance) but there are still noise issues. If I had to guess it's probably setting the camera's sensitivity (ISO) incorrectly, or lacking some sort of noise filtering that Windows Mobile's camera driver has, but Martin or another kernel developer would know more.
No magic noise switch, sorry.
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it is seriously noise that causes that?

Have no fear...we have some great devs here! Someone will crack the mystery of the grainy lens! LOL

jamezelle said:
it is seriously noise that causes that?
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i'm not a camera expert but that 100% looks like a lighting issue! this camera stinks to begin with so i never use it anyways

It's been like this since day one with droid builds on the vogue. So far the only repsonse is " you're lucky it even works" I don't expect a fix anytime soon.

so dzo is the only one that has done work on the camera in the kernel so far (zimage or the .nbh is where the camera code is located). he has singlehandedly brought android to the vogue, and he has be the single most committed developer. I don't know what he is working on now, but if I gave you a list of all the latest updates, you would notice that they are all more important than the camera. and yes, importance is a matter of opinion, but basic features like bluetooth, the phone not crashing after calls, booting from the nand, etc etc, take priority for most.
if you have not followed this project from the beginning, or at least have not taken the time to read through the old forums to see where we came from (BGPS is an example - before gps we all used to be located somewhere in san franscisco driving on some highway out there), save your complaints. it is people who complain about sh** without contributing sh** that causes our good developers to say "fu** it, peace out" and then, guess what? who will make your camera better for you then?
we all know the camera isn't the best. but yeah, here's that response again, AT LEAST IT WORKS. there was a day when it didn't. and there are still things that don't. live with it; or roll up your sleeves, do some reading, and update it yourself. we'll all be waiting for your contribution. and when you give us something to test, instead of complaining how it isn't perfect yet, we'll say great job, thanks for contributing, and we'll help you figure out how to make it better instead of just saying "this sucks."

bri3d said:
There is no obvious solution. Recent kernels are better (they have automatic whitebalance) but there are still noise issues. If I had to guess it's probably setting the camera's sensitivity (ISO) incorrectly, or lacking some sort of noise filtering that Windows Mobile's camera driver has, but Martin or another kernel developer would know more.
No magic noise switch, sorry.
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Unfortunately neither photo came with ISO numbers in the EXIF data. I'll try hunting down some custom camera apps on both OSes and see if I can replicate the Android results under Windows - that way I'll at least know exactly what's causing it.
Thanks for the suggestion, and thanks Reddog80p, I'm sure one of us can figure it out.
And thanks tatnai for showing me that even Canadians can be pompous, arrogant, and rude. One world, one love.

tatnai said:
so dzo is the only one that has done work on the camera in the kernel so far (zimage or the .nbh is where the camera code is located). he has singlehandedly brought android to the vogue, and he has be the single most committed developer. I don't know what he is working on now, but if I gave you a list of all the latest updates, you would notice that they are all more important than the camera. and yes, importance is a matter of opinion, but basic features like bluetooth, the phone not crashing after calls, booting from the nand, etc etc, take priority for most.
if you have not followed this project from the beginning, or at least have not taken the time to read through the old forums to see where we came from (BGPS is an example - before gps we all used to be located somewhere in san franscisco driving on some highway out there), save your complaints. it is people who complain about sh** without contributing sh** that causes our good developers to say "fu** it, peace out" and then, guess what? who will make your camera better for you then?
we all know the camera isn't the best. but yeah, here's that response again, AT LEAST IT WORKS. there was a day when it didn't. and there are still things that don't. live with it; or roll up your sleeves, do some reading, and update it yourself. we'll all be waiting for your contribution. and when you give us something to test, instead of complaining how it isn't perfect yet, we'll say great job, thanks for contributing, and we'll help you figure out how to make it better instead of just saying "this sucks."
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My vogue camera exibits the same behavior.
The noise in the android picture is static for me, and it would be easy to fix. I just need to take a picture with the lens blocked (a dark frame that contains just the noise) and substract the noise from the actual picture I want to take. This could probably be implemented on the software side.

tatnai said:
so dzo is the only one that has done work on the camera in the kernel so far (zimage or the .nbh is where the camera code is located). he has singlehandedly brought android to the vogue, and he has be the single most committed developer. I don't know what he is working on now, but if I gave you a list of all the latest updates, you would notice that they are all more important than the camera. and yes, importance is a matter of opinion, but basic features like bluetooth, the phone not crashing after calls, booting from the nand, etc etc, take priority for most.
if you have not followed this project from the beginning, or at least have not taken the time to read through the old forums to see where we came from (BGPS is an example - before gps we all used to be located somewhere in san franscisco driving on some highway out there), save your complaints. it is people who complain about sh** without contributing sh** that causes our good developers to say "fu** it, peace out" and then, guess what? who will make your camera better for you then?
we all know the camera isn't the best. but yeah, here's that response again, AT LEAST IT WORKS. there was a day when it didn't. and there are still things that don't. live with it; or roll up your sleeves, do some reading, and update it yourself. we'll all be waiting for your contribution. and when you give us something to test, instead of complaining how it isn't perfect yet, we'll say great job, thanks for contributing, and we'll help you figure out how to make it better instead of just saying "this sucks."
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The OP was asking a question. Stop flaming noobs and pick on someone with your same amount of posts. It's because of responses like YOURS that drive noobs away. He deserves the benefit of the doubt, there was nothing rude about his question, he was not expressing any contempt for any developers, he never complained about Android, just asked for help with the camera. He did more than most noobs would, he posted pics, and expressed his attempts at finding the solution himself. People who flame noobs have little man's syndrome, they are bullies. Your answer is completely worthless and makes you look like a jackass.

petermg said:
The OP was asking a question. Stop flaming noobs and pick on someone with your same amount of posts. It's because of responses like YOURS that drive noobs away. He deserves the benefit of the doubt, there was nothing rude about his question, he was not expressing any contempt for any developers, he never complained about Android, just asked for help with the camera. He did more than most noobs would, he posted pics, and expressed his attempts at finding the solution himself. People who flame noobs have little man's syndrome, they are bullies. Your answer is completely worthless and makes you look like a jackass.
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This shouldn't be a flame fest. Tatnai didn't mean to "flame" anyone I don't think. Nor did he mean to come across as pompous, but he was just preemptively dealing with issues that his forum has seen in the past.
Anyone hurt or insulted, on either side... this is not a big deal. Let's just all settle.
I don't remember this camera getting good results even in WinMo...

yea, my camera never worked passably in WinMo either

Anyone who has ran a NFSfans Win-Mo rom knows the camera is capable of producing pretty decent pictures. When it come to HTC's camera lenses we all know they can improve dramatically.

The camera in android is controlled by our open source libcameraservice.so and in kernel. Here is the code for libcameraservice http://github.com/dzo/VogueCamera

tatnai said:
so dzo is the only one that has done work on the camera in the kernel so far (zimage or the .nbh is where the camera code is located). he has singlehandedly brought android to the vogue, and he has be the single most committed developer. I don't know what he is working on now, but if I gave you a list of all the latest updates, you would notice that they are all more important than the camera. and yes, importance is a matter of opinion, but basic features like bluetooth, the phone not crashing after calls, booting from the nand, etc etc, take priority for most.
if you have not followed this project from the beginning, or at least have not taken the time to read through the old forums to see where we came from (BGPS is an example - before gps we all used to be located somewhere in san franscisco driving on some highway out there), save your complaints. it is people who complain about sh** without contributing sh** that causes our good developers to say "fu** it, peace out" and then, guess what? who will make your camera better for you then?
we all know the camera isn't the best. but yeah, here's that response again, AT LEAST IT WORKS. there was a day when it didn't. and there are still things that don't. live with it; or roll up your sleeves, do some reading, and update it yourself. we'll all be waiting for your contribution. and when you give us something to test, instead of complaining how it isn't perfect yet, we'll say great job, thanks for contributing, and we'll help you figure out how to make it better instead of just saying "this sucks."
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I did a lot of development for modifications for multiple RTS games like Empire Earth and Civilization III & IV, so to an extent I understand your frustration and even agree with you.
But that was plain out of line and rude. There is a better way of going about giving someone info than that and you really need to work on internet rage dude. Not everyone is a developer and not everyone will have something to contribute. It's the people who test the programs, find the bugs, and then report them that help advance the development process. People saying things like this, hinder it.
Besides all that, I do have the same issues with my camera and only recently did I even manage to get the camera to work. I've been talking with a couple of developers I know here at my school (DeVry for the geekyness win) and we've started working on finding a solution. Hopefully I'll have something to show for it soon.

OP posted a critique of the current android camera, with a hint of sarcasm, and ended with a question that was neither constructive or helpful or focused on future development. The state of the camera in android is nothing new, we have all used it and seen it. Framing his observations about the camera the way he did,
I'll give you three guesses as to which photo was taken under Android. And the first two don't count.
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Help me, someone. Please point out the obvious solution that I'm overlooking, so that I can use Android as a daily OS.
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in a flippant manner, like it is a bug that needs fixing, is quite disrespectful of the hours of work that dzo put into building the camera driver FROM SCRATCH. A little reading of the forums about android would have brought this to light, and would have produced a post more along the lines of "hey dzo, I see the camera has not been updated in a while, I would love to help take it to the next level with my skills - who wants to pitch in?" rather than "this sucks, who knows a fix?"
We have had developers leave the project due to posts like the OP. Some might say, well that is just childish for people to get their feelings hurt by a simple post. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But post after post of thoughtless criticism by people who have not taken the time to see WHY there is an android on the vogue in the first place, wear on the people who pour countless hours of there time into this project. You'll note that the two posts who acknowledge value in my original post are also from people (jamezelle, TheKartus) who have been around to see this happen before.
I love noobs as much as the next guy (we are all noobs in one area or another), and that's why you see me troubleshooting for people in threads all the time. We always need more people giving feedback, but please, give it in a way that is respectful of the time and energy and love put into the project by its creators, and in a way that shows you've taken the time to know the background of the subject you are addressing.

well lets get on track and fix it. the code is open source so anyone can have a look and fix it.

Here is the photo the G1 dev took, using his reverse-engineered Eclair driver. It comes out with very low noise.
Does the G1 have hardware noise-reduction that we don't? Or is there something in their driver? It's been a while since I've written C so I'm still digesting what all the code actually does. I've asked the devs of the G1 driver if they have a guess... hopefully they are not too busy to provide insight.

Hero vs. EVO Benchmarks

HERO - Darch AOSP OC/JIT
EVO - Unmodified
sorry about the lens it was the first one handy... ... i had taken a few more pics but picasa deleted the rest for me for no reason... oh well...
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anyone care to enlighten me how the hell some people are getting 34megaflops on the EVO... am i doing something wrong... ?

They are getting it because they are testing out Android 2.2 but it's not fully functional. It'll be here eventually.

nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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off topic, what case is that on your Evo?

booyakasha said:
off topic, what case is that on your Evo?
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It's the official HTC 2 piece hard plastic black one side other your choice of red blue titanium... being sold by Sprint

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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Honestly, there can be no way. My Hero was doing 2.1 - 2.4 on Fresh 2.1.1, "factory freaks" idea aside there cannot be phones that perform 10 times better than others of the same kind (using the same software). That would also be claiming a 6 times increase over the EVO when both are on stock ROMs.
I guess it just brings be ye olde saying, "don't believe everything you read on the internet kids".

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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wrx4memp said:
HERO - Darch AOSP OC/JIT
EVO - Unmodified
sorry about the lens it was the first one handy... ... i had taken a few more pics but picasa deleted the rest for me for no reason... oh well...
anyone care to enlighten me how the hell some people are getting 34megaflops on the EVO... am i doing something wrong... ?
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Just curious, I dont understand how youre not completely happy with your evo, numbers aside. I couldnt wait for my evo, been waiting since it was a supersonic, went thru great effort to purchase it the day it came out AND be able to root it as soon as i got it home. Well, @ this point in time imo this device needs nothing other than a few apps,screen protector, and a case. and im a COMPLETE MOD FREAK.Its like the whole time i had my hero i spent it trying to make it into a phone like this........well now i have it I will root once i can reach my custom recovery from the device itself and can delete/write to running system,....I purchased a htc rubberized case(only one they had) and a scratch-proof/privacy screen protector, and man i couldnt be happier with my new EVO, kind of ironic if you actually knew how much modding i did to my hero....my point is that idc if some app said my evo got all zeros and an ipwnd got 100w/e unit of measurement, i could care less. All that matters to me is that it can do what i need to without breaking a sweat.Maybe i dont understand. What do you use your evo for? Maybe some things that i do not perhaps.....Just remember, those who search for flaws, will unfortunately,eventually find them Good luck with your EVO though, hopefully you can find the desired numbers and will than be as satisfied with yours as i am mine

could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine

Magnus, please don't quote such large blocks, and use standard fonts...drives me crazy.
Anyways, better performance on Evo means better utilization of hardware, which each notch up means one step closer to helping those poor battery issues.
Not to mention, who doesn't want a speedier device!?

crazyjoezx said:
could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine
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quadrant is the one with the bar graph. linpack is the one giving you the mflops.

MagnusRagnarok said:
Just curious, I dont understand how youre not completely happy with your evo, numbers aside. I couldnt wait for my evo, been waiting since it was a supersonic, went thru great effort to purchase it the day it came out AND be able to root it as soon as i got it home. Well, @ this point in time imo this device needs nothing other than a few apps,screen protector, and a case. and im a COMPLETE MOD FREAK.Its like the whole time i had my hero i spent it trying to make it into a phone like this........well now i have it I will root once i can reach my custom recovery from the device itself and can delete/write to running system,....I purchased a htc rubberized case(only one they had) and a scratch-proof/privacy screen protector, and man i couldnt be happier with my new EVO, kind of ironic if you actually knew how much modding i did to my hero....my point is that idc if some app said my evo got all zeros and an ipwnd got 100w/e unit of measurement, i could care less. All that matters to me is that it can do what i need to without breaking a sweat.Maybe i dont understand. What do you use your evo for? Maybe some things that i do not perhaps.....Just remember, those who search for flaws, will unfortunately,eventually find them Good luck with your EVO though, hopefully you can find the desired numbers and will than be as satisfied with yours as i am mine
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whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???

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could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine
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1. Quadrant
2. Linpack
3. Neocore

wrx4memp said:
whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???
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Aaaaaand time for everyone to stop and breathe.
Sense will be part of it (sense has provided a LOT of additional functionality behind the scenes that most people don't ever think about...and thusly is kinda on the fat side). The other part of it is potentially the same thing that's killing some of our batteries (The Calendar Wake Lock issue)...if it's running constantly, it's probably eating up some cycles too.

wrx4memp said:
whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???
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right look at the incredible and gsm hero they have sense and higher numbers i think they have jit on some of them though and i cant find a list for evo on linpak

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right look at the incredible and gsm hero they have sense and higher numbers i think they have jit on some of them though and i cant find a list for evo on linpak
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EDIT: Jit cant be enabled with sense ui, as of right now. I heard cyanogen said of a way, but i havent seen it working yet.
When they run linpack and get higher numbers. They arent running sense ui or htc at all.. I as of right now, i have the highest scores for gsm hero and cdma hero that have been posted to the website (we share scores on the linpack website). I had jit enabled running an AOSP rom with an OC kernel, also known has darchdroid.
The incredible might still be running sense ui. But for the hero no.

Bye Bye Vibrant =(

So today I returned my Vibrant and removed my Nexus One from Ebay. It's sad that such a beautiful phone had to be returned but I couldn't cope with some major issues:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
I will miss the screen... it was amazing... along with some of the features of touchwiz. However, the fact that TMobile confirmed that they will be launching an HSPA+ phone this summer makes me feel that much better about waiting to upgrade.

Let me get out my violin.
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Feel better? Goodness it's like at least 5 people have to start this type of thread on every board I visit for any type of device. I can't wait for the usual people to come in and make this a 10 page thread

And when the TMO releases the new HSPA+ phone it will have a plethora of issues on its own, good luck

Just trying to save people the trouble from upgrading from their Nexus if they have one. Thanks for the violin though! ;p

I really don't set the point of these types of posts, so you are unhappy and experience issues that not everyone is. Does that mean I should annoyingly post about how great mine is working? My HD2 gave me problems everyday but I didn't post about it. My slide worked perfectly but I didn't post about it. Again gps is not everyone, I have tried the following apps:
Yelp
Yellow book
Find me
Places directory
Maps
Where
Layers
And google
ALL were able to find my location (locked)
Everything else hasn't happened to my phone yet
So really what is the point in posting that you are returning the phone, because I'm sure you have already posted the problems.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

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Let me get out my violin.
Feel better? Goodness it's like at least 5 people have to start this type of thread on every board I visit for any type of device. I can't wait for the usual people to come in and make this a 10 page thread
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Oh man you should have seen the Evo 4G forums then. This is nothing compared to that.

If i'd've had a N1, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have a Vibrant now. N1 to Vibrant is probably not that big an improvement, but G1 (even rooted) to Vibrant is HUGE!

Sorry you didn't like your Vibrant!
I personally have had none of those issues, in fact, I have had not one force close or restart, the phone has been on and running without a single hitch since the day it was released and I picked it up at the T-mobile store.
This has been the best out of box experience I have ever had with a phone, especially one that was just released.

OolonColuphid said:
If i'd've had a N1, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have a Vibrant now. N1 to Vibrant is probably not that big an improvement, but G1 (even rooted) to Vibrant is HUGE!
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This has been the best out of box experience I have ever had with a phone, especially one that was just released.
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I agree on both accounts. When we get 2.2 OTA or mod it will prove to be the best phone available.

Your patience (or lack thereof) got the best of you.phone had only been out a week. Name me one device that was perfect upon release? Take care and cya, I'll enjoy the vibrant for you =)
Sent from my Samsung Vibrant

What he said. ^^^^

DKYang said:
What he said. ^^^^
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lmfao! blah 10 char!

sccpmusc26 said:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
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1. will work after OTA
2. Did you root? Haven't heard of significant issues pre-root
2. thats because it's filled with bulky widgets. Remove a few. I'm running 5 widgets (2 of the samsung ones) and a live wallpaper with no lag (did no lag fixes or anything)
4. Barnacle doesn't work without root. Doesn't work consistently with root because the phone just came out and they haven't added support for it yet. New hardware for a currently unsupported root feature. Hopefully it'll be included in 2.2, but if not, the tether programs should be updated soon.

I think you should have waited before getting the phone in the first place. Nothing come out perfect.

I also purchased the Vibrant to use as a wireless hotspot with my iPad. I am going to give it time. I probably wouldn't have upgraded from an N1 though.

I turned on the phone and I'm not kidding I went straight to ever screen and removed every widget and turned off all but one screen. I mean I really don't need 7 screens when I use the same few apps all the time.
I think the only issue's I've noticed is.
- Camera FC on me once.
- Antenna boucing all over the place signal wise. Full Bars, half bars, no bars. Who knows, but it still works.
I think the only rock solid phone I've ever purchased and it just worked was my old Side Kick. It wasn't fancy or flashy and of course doesn't do half the stuff that these newer phones do.

For me:
Notifications keep phone awake
I get FC when I try to add picture to contact
Slow market (rooted)
Antenna bars jump left and right, but it doesnt seem to effect the signal....

It's a genuine concern. Stop getting so defensive that people are having issues. Not everyone can afford to drop $500+ every two months on the latest and greatest. A new smartphone is an investment, and if it doesn't work as advertised, that's not the fault of the consumer. Also, keep in mind, 14 days is not a lot of time. We don't even know for sure if this is something that Samsung can or will fix.
Some of you are willing to accept that risk, and trust that a fix is coming. That's fine. Some of us are not as bold when it comes to such investments.
So, yes, we may get an announcement, by the 15th day, that everything is going to be fixed and we won't have to worry. But what if that announcement never shows up? What if they just shrug their shoulders and say, "Eh, good enough"?
Well, like I said, $500+ is a lot of money to gamble when it comes to the good faith of a corporation. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit nervous about them supporting this device properly.
I love my Vibrant, save for these reception issues with the various radios. I live in one of the best coverage spots in my city, and I've been having calls go straight to voicemail all week; my GPS takes 5 minutes to even lock, and when it does, the radius is 2-4 blocks wide; the compass does not work at all, and the phone will assume I'm driving and moving when I'm stationary because of these problems. As of today, it does not appear as if either company is acknowledging the issue. That said, if a statement isn't released soon, I'll be returning it to sit on the sidelines until a fix is announced -- as much as I'd miss the display.

sccpmusc26 said:
So today I returned my Vibrant and removed my Nexus One from Ebay. It's sad that such a beautiful phone had to be returned but I couldn't cope with some major issues:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
I will miss the screen... it was amazing... along with some of the features of touchwiz. However, the fact that TMobile confirmed that they will be launching an HSPA+ phone this summer makes me feel that much better about waiting to upgrade.
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1. will work after OTA
2. Did you root? Haven't heard of significant issues pre-root
2. thats because it's filled with bulky widgets. Remove a few. I'm running 5 widgets (2 of the samsung ones) and a live wallpaper with no lag (did no lag fixes or anything)
4. Barnacle doesn't work without root. Doesn't work consistently with root because the phone just came out and they haven't added support for it yet. New hardware for a currently unsupported root feature. Hopefully it'll be included in 2.2, but if not, the tether programs should be updated soon.
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DKYang said:
What he said. ^^^^
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Precisely.
Go start a blog or post on the tmobile forums. Every one of your issues can be solved with patience.
Buhbye.

coolguy949 said:
Oh man you should have seen the Evo 4G forums then. This is nothing compared to that.
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It's just getting started. Not only that, when they return the phone it'll continue to pester on. Oh x -- x and x doesn't work, it's this and that.. no, I haven't exchanged it or I've gotten 5 already and it's not going to be fixed because once I do this, that happens.. and on and on and on and on and on and..

Cyanogen 6.0. Is it way over rated?

Here is a question for everyone. It's not a trolling question, nor is it designed to provoke anger. As a faithfull user of cyanogen 6 since its inception (nightly updates, RC1, RC2, and Full) Lets boil this down.
Things that work:
1. Its fast as hell.
2. No sense (makes it fast as hell).
3. Highly customizable
4. ADW tweaks are nice.
5. Feel free to add something else in here.
6. Nice screen rotation for car mounting.
7. Oh ya....its fast as hell and, as has been posted in here a million times, "...is buttery smooth."
Things that still don't work at all or work well:
1. HDMI
2. 4G
3. Radio
4. MMS with picture or voice (tried it again yesterday)
5. Voicemail issues (we all know what they are)
So......essentially....except for some modest, user appreciable "non-sense" speed boosts....this ROM actually removes some pretty darn important features.
Explain the logic of this to me?
Cyanogen has done excellent work. I am not trying to squelch that, but he (and his team) seem to be unable to resolve issues EVO users should and do find important.
With the new sense roms out there and their subsequent kernal releases, they perform, user appreciably, nearly the same as this rom with all the above MAJOR FUNCTIONS working. (Linpak, FPS2d, and Quadrant scores for which I can reproduce screen shots)
So, you get a fast rom with few of exceptional functions / features this phone is capable of.
Do you think maybe....the rom is a crutch for the phone.
Just one man's humble opinion. Maybe further versions with the important features useable will kick butt. For now......Come on. What is the obsession?
Would someone please explain my confusion on this seemingly obvious question.
So....Ill keep it as a nandroid backup. For what? I don't know.
-JZ

Pro: Stagefright AAC decoding patch implemented in CM6
Con: Bluetooth prevents phone from sleeping

I agree.. seems ridiculous to me. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I don't really want to get nit picky, but I agree with your points, and it's personally not the rom for me. At least not in its current state.

Didn't you post this in the CM6 thread?

all the features in cm6 currently PWN 4g and hdmi. for those that other are either fooling theirselves or havent really actually played with the rom
-i mean really, hdmi is nice, but you cant even use it to its full extent now...why waste the time? a saying that comes to mind "if you gonna do something, do it big" or "why halfass when you'll just have to come back and finish it up later"
sorry i just dont think a HALF working hdmi in sense or even stock roms for that matter are worth bragging about.
-4g is NICE, however its only ONE phone that has this option as of right now (excluding the samsung epic that just launched today). It makes NO sense at all to focus on a feature that is only exclusive to ONE phone...not to mention the code for 4g is intricately woven into Sense, so it takes some time to remove and code for it
-Radio? Seriously? It just seems like yer being a hater here.... I do realize having the FM radio is nice and all....but even in the stock roms you have to have gay ass headphones.
With all the pandora radio, stitcher radio and other podcast..... is it REALLY that big of a deal? i think not especially since i dont have to be on a leash with headphones and can play through my speaker
-NO other rom has a higher bitpool for bluetooth aka if you use a2dp to stream to your car's stereo...unless your using cm6.... your stream is gonna sound like ****!!! This is a BIGGGG feature
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
as far as the voicemail...i dont use sprint's voicemail on this phone....i link it to my gvoice....but i can definitely understand the frustration not being able to get to your vmail.
i guess people like cm6 because it pwns and own all while not being a bloatware king and slowing **** down

ya....i wasn't sure where the "most appropriate" place to post it was. You know how folks won't answer your question/quandry, but rather say, "this isn't the appropriate place for this." So....pre-empting that I posted it in both places in case one gets deleted.

They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.

it pwns? with modest appreciable speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
4g, hdmi, (ill give you the radio), mms (not sending messages with photos or sound or both attached) are not little things. Also....if you have a decent HDMI set it will recognize the settings and accomodate....so come on. OBJECTIVE not SUBJECTIVE.
The sense roms have comprable linpak, quadrant, and BETTER fps2d scores.
Im not hating....just posting OBJECTIVE findings.

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They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.
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My thoughts exactly.

Nope.
HDMI? Why would I want that in a phone?
4G? I'm not in a 4g area.
Radio? Haha.. why? It never worked right for me anyway and my Zune gets better reception.
MMS - I sent my wife a picture just yesterday. No issues there.
VM - I use GV and always have. No issues.

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it pwns? with modest speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
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Bro, I'm not going to do research for you. If you haven't already, flash CM6 final on your phone. If it doesn't fly compared to a Sense ROM, you are doing something wrong or you need to return your phone.

goodelyfe said:
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
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That is SMS (aka texting) and the 160 character limit is the CDMA technology limit, has nothing to do with a ROM. MMS (aka picture/multimedia mail) is what he is referring to. But I'm not sure exactly what problems he's referring to, because I though MMS worked fine on my phone when I had CM on it.
You feel it is faster by far then other roms, that is your opinion, hard factual numbers do not necessarily agree with you. I didn't want to get into the nit picky, as I stated before, because honestly I respect CM for doing things I could never dream of doing. But your post reads as if a one sided defensive retort. Prove him wrong in his stance, saying it feels faster does not do so, because that is one of it's few claims to fame.
And yes, I've run multiple nightlies, and ran RC1, I did not care for any of them enough to keep me around long. I am waiting however for 6.1 and look forward to trying it out.

Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.

jasonziter said:
Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.
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You're asking him to do the testing to back up his point, when you're the one with the challenge?
BUT
I might have just found something I'm interested in and maybe I'll do the testing you're asking for today during my afternoon at work.
Fresh installed FreakEvo and Fresh CM 6.0 running the gambit.

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@Jasonziter
lol dude!!! lol 'dont show me emotionally'
it seems you and maybe another are the ones who are getting upset/emotional
lol
you ask us our opinions, then you 'attack' us for them.....and your rebuttal is back it up with objective data....
dude its not that serious.
"you can lead a horse to the water well..... "

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I understand your curiosity about what makes it measurably better, but I don't undestand what makes you think anyone would be motivated to win you over..
I love CM6 and am very happy to be running it on my phone, it's smooth and reliable and I'm happy with it. I could give a **** if you like it or decide to start using it.
If you don't see the value, and if you prefere a sense based rom then use a sense based rom. If you want to know the difference then flash them both and run your objective tests and share the results with the community. It would be interesting to know but I don't forsee anyone providing you with this data in an attempt to convince you to become a CM6 user.
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?

Zergburger that is a mighty quadrant score indeed. What were you OC'ed to in that?

nebenezer said:
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?
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^this^ lol

[POLL] CM9: Worth it?

Alright, so in the last few days I've been complementing whether or not I should give cm9 another try (I tried it on alpha0, but too buggy). I'm aware of the bugs such as "The ringing of death" and others. Most of you are probably wondering "Why don't I just flash it now and see for myself?" While I am considering that, I'm not one that likes to flash things since it takes me time to get everything set up the way I wanted. I figured this way I'd save some trouble and also give others the chance to see whether or not the majority of users here enjoy it.
I've broken it down into reasons why I do and don't want to flash it.
Reasons why I do:
New apps compatible with ICS
The latest android version (along with its features)
Makes my phone feel new
Reasons why I don't:
Battery life (I just need it to last the day)
Video Playback artifacts (how frequent is this?)
Less features than CM7
So I made a poll to see whether or not I should go through with it, and to help those that are complementing the same thing.
Edit: Just realized in the poll I put "No" for the last answer. Meant to put "Neither" lol.

Honestly this poll is kind of a bash to the devs that put so much time and effort to bringing cm9 to our phone so yes its worth it.

jbadboy2007 said:
Honestly this poll is kind of a bash to the devs that put so much time and effort to bringing cm9 to our phone so yes its worth it.
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Sorry if that's what it appears, but that wasn't my intention. CM9 is great, I respect the devs, and I can't wait to see its potential. I'm just not sure whether I want to flash it only because of issues ICS (not cm9) has. For example, battery life. Battery life on ICS in general is bad, but my question in that aspect is "HOW bad?". I've seen many mixed results with some awful battery life, some decent, etc. I just want to save people the trouble, and myself, of having to flash a ROM they're not sure is right for them just yet.

*Contemplating
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|| Acer || said:
Sorry if that's what it appears, but that wasn't my intention. CM9 is great, I respect the devs, and I can't wait to see its potential. I'm just not sure whether I want to flash it only because of issues ICS (not cm9) has. For example, battery life. Battery life on ICS in general is bad, but my question in that aspect is "HOW bad?". I've seen many mixed results with some awful battery life, some decent, etc. I just want to save people the trouble, and myself, of having to flash a ROM they're not sure is right for them just yet.
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I know where you coming from but you need to remember its an alpha and everything isn't suppose to be fully functional yet although most things are. Consider it more like public bug testing. I need full functionality for business everyday so honestly I know not to try these builds during the week when I expect my phones features to be fully operational.

jbadboy2007 said:
I know where you coming from but you need to remember its an alpha and everything isn't suppose to be fully functional yet although most things are. Consider it more like public bug testing. I need full functionality for business everyday so honestly I know not to try these builds during the week when I expect my phones features to be fully operational.
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I know and I'm completely aware of what you're saying. I know it's an alpha, and I know there are bugs. I'm just wondering if the majority of users think I should use the alpha as a daily driver or just wait. That's really the issue. Whether I should just wait or not.

Video playback tearing and artifacts in recording can be a pain sometimes. I've noticed in youtube there's barely any tearing in HQ but the same can't be said for the built in video player (even HD videos tear). Call quality has improved with the recent changes but is still far from perfect. Battery life (for me anyway) has been just fine. I hardly ever get the "ring of death" but I've found it's not difficult or impossible to work around without having to reboot. Features are still missing but that will come as cm itself updates for cm9. Peformance and stability (again for me anyway) has been just fine and it seems to handle 3D graphics better than any rom I've ever used. Overall I've been able to deal with it being my daily driver and just waiting for updates. Of course I'm going to hope for certain things to come in due time but I'm overall more satisfied with cm9 than I was with cm7. If there's anything else specific you wanted to know that I didn't cover, ask.
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Vizzo said:
Video playback tearing and artifacts in recording can be a pain sometimes. I've noticed in youtube there's barely any tearing in HQ but the same can't be said for the built in video player (even HD videos tear). Call quality has improved with the recent changes but is still far from perfect. Battery life (for me anyway) has been just fine. I hardly ever get the "ring of death" but I've found it's not difficult or impossible to work around without having to reboot. Features are still missing but that will come as cm itself updates for cm9. Peformance and stability (again for me anyway) has been just fine and it seems to handle 3D graphics better than any rom I've ever used. Overall I've been able to deal with it being my daily driver and just waiting for updates. Of course I'm going to hope for certain things to come in due time but I'm overall more satisfied with cm9 than I was with cm7. If there's anything else specific you wanted to know that I didn't cover, ask.
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Thanks this is exactly the kind of response I was looking for. I rarely use video recording so that's not an issue for me. The biggest thing was the battery life and I think I've decided to wait until alpha4, because I'll definitely flash when the "Ring of Death" is fixed. I make quite a lot of calls, and even though people rarely get it, I'd rather not have to deal with that. Once again, thanks for your response.
Just a question since I'm curious: What CM features have been implemented so far in CM9?

Pssh if you use an alternative kernel and uv like a son of a ...then battery life is decent, I usually pulled 8 hours with 3 hours of display and 2 hours of music note the screen time on was heavy it would be on 20 or 30 minutes at a time.....
On my 3500 I get 6 and a half display and 13 hours overall.. I did 22 hours with just 6 flat.
Just do it I have cm7 miui and tw nandroids and haven't gone back because I love this ROM so much, there are some tips to get things rolling and so forth... so be prepared to make modifications.
Id be happy to let you know how I have my phone setup to my liking and hopefully make this transition easy for ya
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Worth it....with a proviso about batt life

Biggoron said:
Pssh if you use an alternative kernel and uv like a son of a ...then battery life is decent, I usually pulled 8 hours with 3 hours of display and 2 hours of music note the screen time on was heavy it would be on 20 or 30 minutes at a time.....
On my 3500 I get 6 and a half display and 13 hours overall.. I did 22 hours with just 6 flat.
Just do it I have cm7 miui and tw nandroids and haven't gone back because I love this ROM so much, there are some tips to get things rolling and so forth... so be prepared to make modifications.
Id be happy to let you know how I have my phone setup to my liking and hopefully make this transition easy for ya
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Thanks so much. I guess I'll do it over the weekend (Don't wanna get TOO distracted when I have homework haha). On a normal day, I just keep my phone on airplane mode during school, listen to music for about 2 hours, and then use my phone for half an hour before putting it on its charger when I get home. That usually brings it down to 60-70% depending on what I'm doing. If you have any battery tips, I'd be glad to hear some. (Other than the obvious ones, like lower brightness and stuff). Lastly, what is the "Ring of Death" exactly like? If I were on the phone with someone, would it be so annoying that they would be distracted by it? Just curious.
Edit: Forgot to mention...is restoring apps (and their data) via TB okay to do? I read in the blog that it's not recommended and to have a fresh start, but there's a few games and other apps where I would like to keep my data.

I have used it as a daily rom since alpha 0. On completely stock CM9 and i get 10-15 hours on a OEM battery. I have been blessed and haven't had any video issues ( i take a lot of videos of my 8 month old daughter).
Def. Not up to par with CM7 but with features and battery life but it's only in alpha. I enjoy seeing and appreciating the changes when updates come out. Also saying my Epic has ICS and yours doesn't is fun lol. My co-workers are begging me to completely redo their Epic. (never will happen, none of then know what the term root or odin mean).
Honestly my suggestion flash CM9 with stock kernel and see if you can make it a week or 2. If you can't then see if a 3rd party kernel will please your needs. Then after that if you feel you can't stand the interesting bugs then take the time and go back to CM7.
Sent from my CM9 Epic 4G.

|| Acer || said:
Thanks so much. I guess I'll do it over the weekend (Don't wanna get TOO distracted when I have homework haha). On a normal day, I just keep my phone on airplane mode during school, listen to music for about 2 hours, and then use my phone for half an hour before putting it on its charger when I get home. That usually brings it down to 60-70% depending on what I'm doing. If you have any battery tips, I'd be glad to hear some. (Other than the obvious ones, like lower brightness and stuff). Lastly, what is the "Ring of Death" exactly like? If I were on the phone with someone, would it be so annoying that they would be distracted by it? Just curious.
Edit: Forgot to mention...is restoring apps (and their data) via TB okay to do? I read in the blog that it's not recommended and to have a fresh start, but there's a few games and other apps where I would like to keep my data.
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Honestly, I have never had the "Ring of Death". I haven't had really any bugs on mine. This, in my opinion, is the most stable alpha rom I've ran.
And yes TB works fine. That's how I restore apps w/ data.
Sent from my Cyanogenmodded Epic4g! Wanna fight about it?

|| Acer || said:
Thanks so much. I guess I'll do it over the weekend (Don't wanna get TOO distracted when I have homework haha). On a normal day, I just keep my phone on airplane mode during school, listen to music for about 2 hours, and then use my phone for half an hour before putting it on its charger when I get home. That usually brings it down to 60-70% depending on what I'm doing. If you have any battery tips, I'd be glad to hear some. (Other than the obvious ones, like lower brightness and stuff). Lastly, what is the "Ring of Death" exactly like? If I were on the phone with someone, would it be so annoying that they would be distracted by it? Just curious.
Edit: Forgot to mention...is restoring apps (and their data) via TB okay to do? I read in the blog that it's not recommended and to have a fresh start, but there's a few games and other apps where I would like to keep my data.
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Id start just turning off data that will save you a lot and you'll still be able to snext -sneak texting ftw
Don't use any third party apps for "battery saving" they don't work properly and drain more than anything. Keep your running processes low I only have settings and the keyboard running normally when you pull up running processes. Don't sync email manual push for notifications.
Use the dalvik heap tweaks to keep ram available and less battery use, disable touch sounds and lock sounds to keep from audio out from wakelocking. Forgot to mention my screen wasn't at the lowest % it was at least 30 or 40%.
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seanknighton said:
And yes TB works fine. That's how I restore apps w/ data.
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Ya it works....BUT the CM team is not recommending it right now if you wish to avoid random issues.
http://epiccm.blogspot.com/p/cm9-install-guide.html

backup ur rom and go for it. battry life on cm7 is not that muchbetter, imho. u could always tweak the settings or even use samurai kernel, and undervolt to maximize battery life. there is also numerous governors with thatand the stock kernel ghat u can playwith. its truly an awesome build. these devs have done some truly amazing work. if ur not convinced, restore ur backup

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|| Acer || said:
Thanks this is exactly the kind of response I was looking for. I rarely use video recording so that's not an issue for me. The biggest thing was the battery life and I think I've decided to wait until alpha4, because I'll definitely flash when the "Ring of Death" is fixed. I make quite a lot of calls, and even though people rarely get it, I'd rather not have to deal with that.
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http://code.google.com/p/epiccm/issues/detail?id=33
Please test the build here and report back.

RyleyinSTL said:
Ya it works....BUT the CM team is not recommending it right now if you wish to avoid random issues.
http://epiccm.blogspot.com/p/cm9-install-guide.html
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Yeah. I've never had any issues, but that is me personally. I don't do a lot of tweaking once I flash the rom
Sent from my Cyanogenmodded Epic4g! Wanna fight about it?

Ha this thread/poll does not bash devs. They work on CM9 for themselves, the prestige and the challenge of doing it too. They'd just use this as motivation. This is a good question. Anyways - I'm on cm9 now and am enjoying it more than I expected too. Battery life does not seem to last as long but I still get through the day. alpha3 seemed to work out some of the more annoying bugs (for me), like fixing the speakerphone.
Honestly, I'd make a backup in clockwork and then flash. Worst that happens you restore the backup.
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