Camera is terrible in low light, under all builds and kernels tested

Camera is terrible in low light, under all builds and kernels tested - Touch CDMA General

First of all, I'd like to thank the XDA-Dev community. Without you, my poor Vogue would still be running WM6.1
I've been trying the Android builds for quite some time now, and while I'm in love with the buttery smooth UI, the wonderful responsiveness, and the general geeky goodness of having multiple OSes on a phone, there's still one issue that prevents me from fully embracing Android and flashing it to the NAND.
The camera.
Perhaps it would be better illustrated in picture form. Here are two pictures I took about five minutes ago of the desk beside my monitor. (I've resized them down, of course.) It's not dark here, but there's no light directly shining into the lens. Still plenty to take a decent snapshot, right?
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I'll give you three guesses as to which photo was taken under Android. And the first two don't count.
I've tried virtually every kernel and build I've come across on this site, from 1.5 to 2.0.1, using various zImage dates and combinations of those and the builds, and have still had no luck whatsoever.
Help me, someone. Please point out the obvious solution that I'm overlooking, so that I can use Android as a daily OS.

There is no obvious solution. Recent kernels are better (they have automatic whitebalance) but there are still noise issues. If I had to guess it's probably setting the camera's sensitivity (ISO) incorrectly, or lacking some sort of noise filtering that Windows Mobile's camera driver has, but Martin or another kernel developer would know more.
No magic noise switch, sorry.

bri3d said:
There is no obvious solution. Recent kernels are better (they have automatic whitebalance) but there are still noise issues. If I had to guess it's probably setting the camera's sensitivity (ISO) incorrectly, or lacking some sort of noise filtering that Windows Mobile's camera driver has, but Martin or another kernel developer would know more.
No magic noise switch, sorry.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
it is seriously noise that causes that?

Have no fear...we have some great devs here! Someone will crack the mystery of the grainy lens! LOL

jamezelle said:
it is seriously noise that causes that?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i'm not a camera expert but that 100% looks like a lighting issue! this camera stinks to begin with so i never use it anyways

It's been like this since day one with droid builds on the vogue. So far the only repsonse is " you're lucky it even works" I don't expect a fix anytime soon.

so dzo is the only one that has done work on the camera in the kernel so far (zimage or the .nbh is where the camera code is located). he has singlehandedly brought android to the vogue, and he has be the single most committed developer. I don't know what he is working on now, but if I gave you a list of all the latest updates, you would notice that they are all more important than the camera. and yes, importance is a matter of opinion, but basic features like bluetooth, the phone not crashing after calls, booting from the nand, etc etc, take priority for most.
if you have not followed this project from the beginning, or at least have not taken the time to read through the old forums to see where we came from (BGPS is an example - before gps we all used to be located somewhere in san franscisco driving on some highway out there), save your complaints. it is people who complain about sh** without contributing sh** that causes our good developers to say "fu** it, peace out" and then, guess what? who will make your camera better for you then?
we all know the camera isn't the best. but yeah, here's that response again, AT LEAST IT WORKS. there was a day when it didn't. and there are still things that don't. live with it; or roll up your sleeves, do some reading, and update it yourself. we'll all be waiting for your contribution. and when you give us something to test, instead of complaining how it isn't perfect yet, we'll say great job, thanks for contributing, and we'll help you figure out how to make it better instead of just saying "this sucks."

bri3d said:
There is no obvious solution. Recent kernels are better (they have automatic whitebalance) but there are still noise issues. If I had to guess it's probably setting the camera's sensitivity (ISO) incorrectly, or lacking some sort of noise filtering that Windows Mobile's camera driver has, but Martin or another kernel developer would know more.
No magic noise switch, sorry.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Unfortunately neither photo came with ISO numbers in the EXIF data. I'll try hunting down some custom camera apps on both OSes and see if I can replicate the Android results under Windows - that way I'll at least know exactly what's causing it.
Thanks for the suggestion, and thanks Reddog80p, I'm sure one of us can figure it out.
And thanks tatnai for showing me that even Canadians can be pompous, arrogant, and rude. One world, one love.

My vogue camera exibits the same behavior.
The noise in the android picture is static for me, and it would be easy to fix. I just need to take a picture with the lens blocked (a dark frame that contains just the noise) and substract the noise from the actual picture I want to take. This could probably be implemented on the software side.

tatnai said:
so dzo is the only one that has done work on the camera in the kernel so far (zimage or the .nbh is where the camera code is located). he has singlehandedly brought android to the vogue, and he has be the single most committed developer. I don't know what he is working on now, but if I gave you a list of all the latest updates, you would notice that they are all more important than the camera. and yes, importance is a matter of opinion, but basic features like bluetooth, the phone not crashing after calls, booting from the nand, etc etc, take priority for most.
if you have not followed this project from the beginning, or at least have not taken the time to read through the old forums to see where we came from (BGPS is an example - before gps we all used to be located somewhere in san franscisco driving on some highway out there), save your complaints. it is people who complain about sh** without contributing sh** that causes our good developers to say "fu** it, peace out" and then, guess what? who will make your camera better for you then?
we all know the camera isn't the best. but yeah, here's that response again, AT LEAST IT WORKS. there was a day when it didn't. and there are still things that don't. live with it; or roll up your sleeves, do some reading, and update it yourself. we'll all be waiting for your contribution. and when you give us something to test, instead of complaining how it isn't perfect yet, we'll say great job, thanks for contributing, and we'll help you figure out how to make it better instead of just saying "this sucks."
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The OP was asking a question. Stop flaming noobs and pick on someone with your same amount of posts. It's because of responses like YOURS that drive noobs away. He deserves the benefit of the doubt, there was nothing rude about his question, he was not expressing any contempt for any developers, he never complained about Android, just asked for help with the camera. He did more than most noobs would, he posted pics, and expressed his attempts at finding the solution himself. People who flame noobs have little man's syndrome, they are bullies. Your answer is completely worthless and makes you look like a jackass.

petermg said:
The OP was asking a question. Stop flaming noobs and pick on someone with your same amount of posts. It's because of responses like YOURS that drive noobs away. He deserves the benefit of the doubt, there was nothing rude about his question, he was not expressing any contempt for any developers, he never complained about Android, just asked for help with the camera. He did more than most noobs would, he posted pics, and expressed his attempts at finding the solution himself. People who flame noobs have little man's syndrome, they are bullies. Your answer is completely worthless and makes you look like a jackass.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This shouldn't be a flame fest. Tatnai didn't mean to "flame" anyone I don't think. Nor did he mean to come across as pompous, but he was just preemptively dealing with issues that his forum has seen in the past.
Anyone hurt or insulted, on either side... this is not a big deal. Let's just all settle.
I don't remember this camera getting good results even in WinMo...

yea, my camera never worked passably in WinMo either

Anyone who has ran a NFSfans Win-Mo rom knows the camera is capable of producing pretty decent pictures. When it come to HTC's camera lenses we all know they can improve dramatically.

The camera in android is controlled by our open source libcameraservice.so and in kernel. Here is the code for libcameraservice http://github.com/dzo/VogueCamera

tatnai said:
so dzo is the only one that has done work on the camera in the kernel so far (zimage or the .nbh is where the camera code is located). he has singlehandedly brought android to the vogue, and he has be the single most committed developer. I don't know what he is working on now, but if I gave you a list of all the latest updates, you would notice that they are all more important than the camera. and yes, importance is a matter of opinion, but basic features like bluetooth, the phone not crashing after calls, booting from the nand, etc etc, take priority for most.
if you have not followed this project from the beginning, or at least have not taken the time to read through the old forums to see where we came from (BGPS is an example - before gps we all used to be located somewhere in san franscisco driving on some highway out there), save your complaints. it is people who complain about sh** without contributing sh** that causes our good developers to say "fu** it, peace out" and then, guess what? who will make your camera better for you then?
we all know the camera isn't the best. but yeah, here's that response again, AT LEAST IT WORKS. there was a day when it didn't. and there are still things that don't. live with it; or roll up your sleeves, do some reading, and update it yourself. we'll all be waiting for your contribution. and when you give us something to test, instead of complaining how it isn't perfect yet, we'll say great job, thanks for contributing, and we'll help you figure out how to make it better instead of just saying "this sucks."
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I did a lot of development for modifications for multiple RTS games like Empire Earth and Civilization III & IV, so to an extent I understand your frustration and even agree with you.
But that was plain out of line and rude. There is a better way of going about giving someone info than that and you really need to work on internet rage dude. Not everyone is a developer and not everyone will have something to contribute. It's the people who test the programs, find the bugs, and then report them that help advance the development process. People saying things like this, hinder it.
Besides all that, I do have the same issues with my camera and only recently did I even manage to get the camera to work. I've been talking with a couple of developers I know here at my school (DeVry for the geekyness win) and we've started working on finding a solution. Hopefully I'll have something to show for it soon.

OP posted a critique of the current android camera, with a hint of sarcasm, and ended with a question that was neither constructive or helpful or focused on future development. The state of the camera in android is nothing new, we have all used it and seen it. Framing his observations about the camera the way he did,
I'll give you three guesses as to which photo was taken under Android. And the first two don't count.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
and
Help me, someone. Please point out the obvious solution that I'm overlooking, so that I can use Android as a daily OS.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
in a flippant manner, like it is a bug that needs fixing, is quite disrespectful of the hours of work that dzo put into building the camera driver FROM SCRATCH. A little reading of the forums about android would have brought this to light, and would have produced a post more along the lines of "hey dzo, I see the camera has not been updated in a while, I would love to help take it to the next level with my skills - who wants to pitch in?" rather than "this sucks, who knows a fix?"
We have had developers leave the project due to posts like the OP. Some might say, well that is just childish for people to get their feelings hurt by a simple post. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But post after post of thoughtless criticism by people who have not taken the time to see WHY there is an android on the vogue in the first place, wear on the people who pour countless hours of there time into this project. You'll note that the two posts who acknowledge value in my original post are also from people (jamezelle, TheKartus) who have been around to see this happen before.
I love noobs as much as the next guy (we are all noobs in one area or another), and that's why you see me troubleshooting for people in threads all the time. We always need more people giving feedback, but please, give it in a way that is respectful of the time and energy and love put into the project by its creators, and in a way that shows you've taken the time to know the background of the subject you are addressing.

well lets get on track and fix it. the code is open source so anyone can have a look and fix it.

Here is the photo the G1 dev took, using his reverse-engineered Eclair driver. It comes out with very low noise.
Does the G1 have hardware noise-reduction that we don't? Or is there something in their driver? It's been a while since I've written C so I'm still digesting what all the code actually does. I've asked the devs of the G1 driver if they have a guess... hopefully they are not too busy to provide insight.

Related

Cyanogen 6.0. Is it way over rated?

Here is a question for everyone. It's not a trolling question, nor is it designed to provoke anger. As a faithfull user of cyanogen 6 since its inception (nightly updates, RC1, RC2, and Full) Lets boil this down.
Things that work:
1. Its fast as hell.
2. No sense (makes it fast as hell).
3. Highly customizable
4. ADW tweaks are nice.
5. Feel free to add something else in here.
6. Nice screen rotation for car mounting.
7. Oh ya....its fast as hell and, as has been posted in here a million times, "...is buttery smooth."
Things that still don't work at all or work well:
1. HDMI
2. 4G
3. Radio
4. MMS with picture or voice (tried it again yesterday)
5. Voicemail issues (we all know what they are)
So......essentially....except for some modest, user appreciable "non-sense" speed boosts....this ROM actually removes some pretty darn important features.
Explain the logic of this to me?
Cyanogen has done excellent work. I am not trying to squelch that, but he (and his team) seem to be unable to resolve issues EVO users should and do find important.
With the new sense roms out there and their subsequent kernal releases, they perform, user appreciably, nearly the same as this rom with all the above MAJOR FUNCTIONS working. (Linpak, FPS2d, and Quadrant scores for which I can reproduce screen shots)
So, you get a fast rom with few of exceptional functions / features this phone is capable of.
Do you think maybe....the rom is a crutch for the phone.
Just one man's humble opinion. Maybe further versions with the important features useable will kick butt. For now......Come on. What is the obsession?
Would someone please explain my confusion on this seemingly obvious question.
So....Ill keep it as a nandroid backup. For what? I don't know.
-JZ

Pro: Stagefright AAC decoding patch implemented in CM6
Con: Bluetooth prevents phone from sleeping

I agree.. seems ridiculous to me. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I don't really want to get nit picky, but I agree with your points, and it's personally not the rom for me. At least not in its current state.

Didn't you post this in the CM6 thread?

all the features in cm6 currently PWN 4g and hdmi. for those that other are either fooling theirselves or havent really actually played with the rom
-i mean really, hdmi is nice, but you cant even use it to its full extent now...why waste the time? a saying that comes to mind "if you gonna do something, do it big" or "why halfass when you'll just have to come back and finish it up later"
sorry i just dont think a HALF working hdmi in sense or even stock roms for that matter are worth bragging about.
-4g is NICE, however its only ONE phone that has this option as of right now (excluding the samsung epic that just launched today). It makes NO sense at all to focus on a feature that is only exclusive to ONE phone...not to mention the code for 4g is intricately woven into Sense, so it takes some time to remove and code for it
-Radio? Seriously? It just seems like yer being a hater here.... I do realize having the FM radio is nice and all....but even in the stock roms you have to have gay ass headphones.
With all the pandora radio, stitcher radio and other podcast..... is it REALLY that big of a deal? i think not especially since i dont have to be on a leash with headphones and can play through my speaker
-NO other rom has a higher bitpool for bluetooth aka if you use a2dp to stream to your car's stereo...unless your using cm6.... your stream is gonna sound like ****!!! This is a BIGGGG feature
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
as far as the voicemail...i dont use sprint's voicemail on this phone....i link it to my gvoice....but i can definitely understand the frustration not being able to get to your vmail.
i guess people like cm6 because it pwns and own all while not being a bloatware king and slowing **** down

ya....i wasn't sure where the "most appropriate" place to post it was. You know how folks won't answer your question/quandry, but rather say, "this isn't the appropriate place for this." So....pre-empting that I posted it in both places in case one gets deleted.

They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.

it pwns? with modest appreciable speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
4g, hdmi, (ill give you the radio), mms (not sending messages with photos or sound or both attached) are not little things. Also....if you have a decent HDMI set it will recognize the settings and accomodate....so come on. OBJECTIVE not SUBJECTIVE.
The sense roms have comprable linpak, quadrant, and BETTER fps2d scores.
Im not hating....just posting OBJECTIVE findings.

rubixmaster said:
They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My thoughts exactly.

Nope.
HDMI? Why would I want that in a phone?
4G? I'm not in a 4g area.
Radio? Haha.. why? It never worked right for me anyway and my Zune gets better reception.
MMS - I sent my wife a picture just yesterday. No issues there.
VM - I use GV and always have. No issues.

jasonziter said:
it pwns? with modest speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Bro, I'm not going to do research for you. If you haven't already, flash CM6 final on your phone. If it doesn't fly compared to a Sense ROM, you are doing something wrong or you need to return your phone.

goodelyfe said:
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is SMS (aka texting) and the 160 character limit is the CDMA technology limit, has nothing to do with a ROM. MMS (aka picture/multimedia mail) is what he is referring to. But I'm not sure exactly what problems he's referring to, because I though MMS worked fine on my phone when I had CM on it.
You feel it is faster by far then other roms, that is your opinion, hard factual numbers do not necessarily agree with you. I didn't want to get into the nit picky, as I stated before, because honestly I respect CM for doing things I could never dream of doing. But your post reads as if a one sided defensive retort. Prove him wrong in his stance, saying it feels faster does not do so, because that is one of it's few claims to fame.
And yes, I've run multiple nightlies, and ran RC1, I did not care for any of them enough to keep me around long. I am waiting however for 6.1 and look forward to trying it out.

Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.

jasonziter said:
Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're asking him to do the testing to back up his point, when you're the one with the challenge?
BUT
I might have just found something I'm interested in and maybe I'll do the testing you're asking for today during my afternoon at work.
Fresh installed FreakEvo and Fresh CM 6.0 running the gambit.

[email protected] Pao
@Jasonziter
lol dude!!! lol 'dont show me emotionally'
it seems you and maybe another are the ones who are getting upset/emotional
lol
you ask us our opinions, then you 'attack' us for them.....and your rebuttal is back it up with objective data....
dude its not that serious.
"you can lead a horse to the water well..... "

{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

I understand your curiosity about what makes it measurably better, but I don't undestand what makes you think anyone would be motivated to win you over..
I love CM6 and am very happy to be running it on my phone, it's smooth and reliable and I'm happy with it. I could give a **** if you like it or decide to start using it.
If you don't see the value, and if you prefere a sense based rom then use a sense based rom. If you want to know the difference then flash them both and run your objective tests and share the results with the community. It would be interesting to know but I don't forsee anyone providing you with this data in an attempt to convince you to become a CM6 user.
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?

Zergburger that is a mighty quadrant score indeed. What were you OC'ed to in that?

nebenezer said:
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
^this^ lol

ClickDot© - a new UI for Android (Update: 08/02)

Right. So, on request from a few users below, I shall be giving a very broad description of what clickDot is, and I shall be updating this post with details over the next few days.
Let me just state before I begin: I am not looking for any testers at the moment, so please, don't waste your time asking to test this. In time, I shall pick a handful of people to help me test parts of the program. Let me also ask that you guys do not ask for a release date - not even I know the release date yet, and I cannot commit to anything. I am a university student, hence I also have other priorities to see to. When I can work and update you guys, I will. Also, for those wanting to know what will be required to run this UI, you may take a look in the FAQ section once I've posted it.
So, back to the description. What I found in my personal experience is that, especially with typical home launchers like LancherPro, ADW, the original Android Launcher or anything of the sorts, is that information can become cluttered. You often need a single widget to display a certain piece of information, and for those who like to have multiple bits of information shown to them simultaneously, find themselves with cluttered home screens that have no consistent theme or look.
Where clickDot differs from most UI's is that it only shows the cluttered information on demand (Pictures will follow to illustrate the idea). The initial home screen of clickDot will only contain a simple bit of information in the center of the screen, mainly about your current surroundings, such as:
Current weather (pictures and possibly animations)
Current date and time
Current temperature
Moon phase (shown during night time)
Missed emails, sms' and calls
More to follow...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
All of the above will be shown in a relative manner, that being all fitting into a set theme and look.
If you click on the center of the weather image (Better description and images to follow), a drastic change in the UI will occur. Everything mentioned above will scale away (disappear, with the exception of a few bits of information, mainly being time and date) and a circular disc will appear. The disc will be broken into segments that will contain links to certain other applications and sections of Android. So far, the list of applications that will be developed and built into the UI, are:
Facebook
Twitter
Phone
Messages
Email
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The idea of the disc is to give quick access to not only common applications, but information from these respective applications as well. If a segment is clicked, the disc is shrunk to a small circle with the icon of the selected program (hence the dot part of clickDot). The dot then moves to the bottom of the screen, and the respective application is displayed. Once again, images will eventually follow to make this easier to understand.
EDIT: I have not been able to finish a promo image of the launcher (time is really tight), but here are the weather images I have created so far. Some of them need work still, but this is what I have at the moment. During the day, the sun will always be displayed, and during the night, the moon will always be displayed (as the relevant phase). All other weather images will be layered on top to show the relevant weather. Here is the image:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Thanks,
MrP.

UPDATE (08/02/2011): Added weather promo picture

Reserved for FAQ

Any screenshots?
Sent from my GT-I9000 using Tapatalk

MrPadie said:
Details coming soon.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well you've just created a thread to type "coming soon".
Just give us the basic things, then give the details later.
What is ClickDot ?

I like this thread. This guy is on the ball hes so ahead of the ball that the details are simply the details will be here soon. But on a seriously note it sounds interesting. I like the name.

"coming soon" threads are against the rules on xda, especially when they are lacking any details at all.
I would not be surprised if you find this thread locked soon.

Reserved for Quick Reply.
Unbelievable

Rootstonian said:
Unbelievable
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed!!!..

Thanks all for your 'kind comments'
The "coming soon" part of the thread was simply due to the fact that where I thought I had time to write up the post, I ended up being dragged off to other plans. That said, I shall have a meaningful post up in the next hour or two
I'm hoping you guys will enjoy it, and please, feel free to comment and provide input.
MrP.
EDIT: As requested, an initial post to briefly describe my idea. More detailed description to follow soon.

i am very intrigued to see what this has to offer, the name sounds cool

No offense, but i really wish developers would actually develop something before releasing info about it. It's getting very tiresome reading "coming soon!" threads. Most of the time the UI never actually gets completed.

Sounds like an interesting approach but I would need to be able to add sections and items to the DOT before I would be willing to adopt.
I pretty much try to organize my phone into the following categories.
Phone
Voicemail (I use Google Voice)
Email
Messaging
Location
Media
Internet
Social
App Launcher
Unfortunatly LP Pro only has 7 screens so I am up for a new UI that will allow me to do that.
Hope to see screens soon!

Although you do raise a good point, Meltus, which I've seen happen countless times, and although even me, as the developer cannot guarantee that this UI will be fully developed and released in good time, I have to point out one simple fact:
As a developer, I find constructive criticism and commentary on my work a blessing in disguise. If I incorporate the requests and criticism from the community as far as possible into my work, I will hence create a product that is attractive in the sense that it's close, if not exactly what the community wants. Developing the product first could mean a lot of work going back and redoing parts to overcome problems and/or highlight points that I have overlooked.
In my eyes, this is a community. No where in my thread title did I state that the UI has a guaranteed release, or a Beta available, or a release date already. It's simply a post describing my idea to allow the community a chance to input into it before I create a final product, which I would like to finally have.
On a side note, I think this "coming soon" story that was originally in my first post has gone too far. It's got nothing to do with the fact that I'm spamming or trying to build hype, it simply was due to the fact that I had to leave for uni earlier than expected, and could not finish what I was typing up. Hence, I posted "coming soon" instead, and when I got home after uni, updated the post with the finished details, which, isn't even complete yet. Just clearing that up.
@Asphyx - thanks for your input. I haven't given too much thought into the customizability yet of the circle/dot, but it is definitely on the to-do list. I feel the same as you - the user shouldn't adapt to the UI, but instead, the UI should adapt to the user. Let me see what ideas I can come up with, and I'll get back to you. So far, what I have in mind is that the circle/dot will be divided into 12 segments. I might have segments that cannot be changed and segments that can, or I might have them all editable. Where I do not have a separate application developed yet for, say, Media, it will launch the Android default. What I'm also planning on doing is creating a system where you can create as many home screens as need be that you can use to add widgets, and then create a link to these separate home screens in the circle/dot. For example, if you have widgets that you use to view Media information, you can create a panel that is called Media. You can add and edit the widgets on this panel, and you can access it by clicking a corresponding link in the circle/dot. That might appeal to those still wanting to use widgets.
MrP.

MrPadie said:
Although you do raise a good point, Meltus, which I've seen happen countless times, and although even me, as the developer cannot guarantee that this UI will be fully developed and released in good time, I have to point out one simple fact:
As a developer, I find constructive criticism and commentary on my work a blessing in disguise. If I incorporate the requests and criticism from the community as far as possible into my work, I will hence create a product that is attractive in the sense that it's close, if not exactly what the community wants. Developing the product first could mean a lot of work going back and redoing parts to overcome problems and/or highlight points that I have overlooked.
In my eyes, this is a community. No where in my thread title did I state that the UI has a guaranteed release, or a Beta available, or a release date already. It's simply a post describing my idea to allow the community a chance to input into it before I create a final product, which I would like to finally have.
On a side note, I think this "coming soon" story that was originally in my first post has gone too far. It's got nothing to do with the fact that I'm spamming or trying to build hype, it simply was due to the fact that I had to leave for uni earlier than expected, and could not finish what I was typing up. Hence, I posted "coming soon" instead, and when I got home after uni, updated the post with the finished details, which, isn't even complete yet. Just clearing that up.
MrP.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry, i didn't mean to question your ability or commitment to the project, i'm very aware that some projects just fall by the wayside every now and then and never get completed, which is no fault of anyone.
I fully agree with having community input, i just meant that maybe a photoshp "mock-up" or screenshot would help move things along tenfold.
That way the community can see what the final product may look like and can offer constructive criticism. Getting the code down is all well and good, but the aethestics are what makes a good UI amazing.
Writing what your app will include can be done by anyone (again, i'm not questioning your ability) but showing how these features will be implemented will get a lot of people interested.

@Meltus - Duly noted. Being a uni student, time is often not on my side, but I shall whip up something and hopefully have it up by tonight.
Thanks again for the input,
MrP.

I am really waiting for this!! Looking forward to see it soon!

I think if someone's screen is "all cluttered-up" it's their own fault. My Droid X has the home page and 3 screens to the left and 3 screens to the right. I'm assuming most Android devices are somewhat similar. If you've got those ALL filled, I would love to see some screen shots LOL. Only thing I don't like is not being able to set the icon spacing; I can only get 4 icons in a vertical column, it has room for 7.
Granted, this UI is intriguing and may prove interesting. It might be cool to have a UI with just ONE screen...this "dot" idea. I can see it as some type of "fanned" menu or a wheel you can spin to get to items. Like if you long press "Media" the wheel (or dot") can open up "News, My RSS feeds" etc.
Like platters of a disk drive..you see one "flat" wheel, but 20 more are underneath. Especially if you can "flick" the top "wheel", it folds in 1/2 and you see the wheel underneath and can spin it and so on for remaining wheels. Like a stack of CD's you buy...you can have hundreds of virtual wheels
This could get interesting.

Thanks Rootstonian for your comment.
I think you've described it the best so far - trying to incorporate as much of the UI into one screen as possible, and constantly change it according to what you're viewing.
To be honest, I didn't imply anything about multiple disc layers, but now that you've brought it up, I quite like the idea. I shall see what I can do about incorporating it into my design. It could really prove useful, especially for things like common settings (on/off switches).
Shall work on this and get back to you guys.
MrP.

MrPadie said:
@Meltus - Duly noted. Being a uni student, time is often not on my side, but I shall whip up something and hopefully have it up by tonight.
Thanks again for the input,
MrP.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Haha, i know how that feels!
Looking forward to seeing it!

Music Player Idea

Hey, i post it on deviantART a mockup of a music player for android that i made some time ago. Some people give me suggestion of posting it here, maybe anyone wants to make something with this.
P.S.I'm not being able to post image here, check it at m DeviantART page
thiago-silva.deviantart.com
I can make PSD available (it's free, no worry ;-)) if anyone wants.
Share your thoughs, if anything is missing, if something should be changed...
Any other stuff, just contact me.

And here is the screen:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I think it's very nice, and worth a go. Any dev?

common XDA!

I would be VERY interested in seeing this developed... If only I could code Java.

If we make it an open source thing I'd be happy to contribute some code from BlueMuze
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.alostpacket.bluemuze
I don't know anything about running an open source project though so. But I have some mediaplayer and album art utils I could probably contribute.

Design is uber too btw

I am interested in helping to implement it under MVVM with Android Binding

andytsui said:
I am interested in helping to implement it under MVVM with Android Binding
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No offense meant by this at all, but can you explain why this would be helpful?
From what I gather MVVM is a new design pattern created to solve coding problems with Windows Presentation Foundation. This is hardly a time tested classic like MVC. It seems like shoehorning an MS technique into java (square peg, round hole). It also doesn't look complete... v0.2?
It seems to me, that if we're going to make this an open source project, we should pick design patterns that people know, and that fit the job. I'm not convinced a framework is needed at all too, especially with a media player on a limited power/resources device. Inverting control to a framework can (potentially) be limiting in where you can make optimizations and adds another layer to the stack.
Your framework looks like a very nice start though, and it looks like it will be very helpful for WPF/Silverlight coders making the move to Android some day. But from what I can understand of it at a glance, I'd wouldn't recommend it for this project unless all the coders were former WPF devs and you were further along in finishing it.
Android also already has a fair amount of code built into the API for binding adapters to views too. And where we bind will be cruicial for perfomance. Remember, music collections are often 1000 songs or more, and the data is in multiple tables. Cursor adapters also don't always work well because you dont want to be doing a DB lookup at every turn, while also decoding album art (skia with throw a bunch of OOM errors). We need to be very careful to reuse views and not maintain references to dead objects. (Something a framework can sometimes do unbeknownst to the programmer).
Unless... I don't know....maybe I'm completely misunderstanding what you're saying. If I am I appologize.
Anyways I'm still happy to donate my database utils and album art utils, (neither of which are perfect either) but what this project really needs is a lead willing to begin setting up the repo, and willing to devote time to integrating patches / setting standards.

My friend and I have done some dev work on games and minecraft things before for fun, maybe this could be something real we could have a go at.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk

alostpacket said:
No offense meant by this at all, but can you explain why this would be helpful?
From what I gather MVVM is a new design pattern created to solve coding problems with Windows Presentation Foundation. This is hardly a time tested classic like MVC. It seems like shoehorning an MS technique into java (square peg, round hole). It also doesn't look complete... v0.2?
It seems to me, that if we're going to make this an open source project, we should pick design patterns that people know, and that fit the job. I'm not convinced a framework is needed at all too, especially with a media player on a limited power/resources device. Inverting control to a framework can (potentially) be limiting in where you can make optimizations and adds another layer to the stack.
Your framework looks like a very nice start though, and it looks like it will be very helpful for WPF/Silverlight coders making the move to Android some day. But from what I can understand of it at a glance, I'd wouldn't recommend it for this project unless all the coders were former WPF devs and you were further along in finishing it.
Android also already has a fair amount of code built into the API for binding adapters to views too. And where we bind will be cruicial for perfomance. Remember, music collections are often 1000 songs or more, and the data is in multiple tables. Cursor adapters also don't always work well because you dont want to be doing a DB lookup at every turn, while also decoding album art (skia with throw a bunch of OOM errors). We need to be very careful to reuse views and not maintain references to dead objects. (Something a framework can sometimes do unbeknownst to the programmer).
Unless... I don't know....maybe I'm completely misunderstanding what you're saying. If I am I appologize.
Anyways I'm still happy to donate my database utils and album art utils, (neither of which are perfect either) but what this project really needs is a lead willing to begin setting up the repo, and willing to devote time to integrating patches / setting standards.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Man, I agree most of what you say.
Talking about the pattern itself is not the scope of this thread, so I should keep it short. MVVM is a derivative from MVC, while MVC is, as you suggested, a long-tested pattern, it doesn't really fits well in windows-based UI and that's why MVVM is suggested. No matter MVVM, MVC, MVP are all about clean separation of responsibility, to me, Android Activities are too overloaded. I like programming Android stuff, but at the very first I started it feels so 1990s in terms of UI. That's the reason I started the framework. (well, XML layout is at least better than SWING)
-------------------------------
Back to the project, I agree a project lead is needed, I think I have quite some spare time to take this post, only my time zone (GST+8) might not easy for interactive discussion.

I wouldn't worry to much about the timezone thing. This seems like the kind of project that could take a considerable amount of time to finish. So might as well take it slow and we can use message boards & emails to communicate.
Hopefully a few more devs will pitch in too.

alostpacket said:
I wouldn't worry to much about the timezone thing. This seems like the kind of project that could take a considerable amount of time to finish. So might as well take it slow and we can use message boards & emails to communicate.
Hopefully a few more devs will pitch in too.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Fine. So far we have:
Initial design (thiago-silva)
DB and Album Art caching (alotspacket)
UI (by me)
For me the major part that don't know how to do is the equalizer since it involves lots of signal processing and (maybe) ndk work, moreover, the UI designer didn't yet jump in to say anything?

Yeah EQ is the hardest part, it would have to be done in the NDK if we're planning on supporting anything older than Gingerbread. In Gingerbread I think we could use some of the newer audio features but I'm not 100% sure.
Agreed also that I would love to hear from the original poster, forgot to check how old this thread is, since it was bumped recently... Looks like it was a bit over 3 weeks ago.
I sent him an email (through the forum) so hopefully he will drop by

Hey, it's me here
Love the idea for a open-source project, if you guys need some help i'll be glad to provide it.

alostpacket said:
Yeah EQ is the hardest part, it would have to be done in the NDK if we're planning on supporting anything older than Gingerbread. In Gingerbread I think we could use some of the newer audio features but I'm not 100% sure.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I didn't take much time to look at Gingerbread or Honeycomb SDK yet, but no matter what, I think supports to 2.1+ will be the best (2.3+ is too niche at the moment) so we need some NDK eq coder... or just leave that in future update.
thiago-silva said:
Hey, it's me here
Love the idea for a open-source project, if you guys need some help i'll be glad to provide it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If we got enough man-power, a more detailed story board might be needed.

Try contacting @eliotstocker for help. He made Music Mod. It was a great music player, but for some reason he stopped working on it.

I would love to offer some coding assistance!
Sent from my PB99400 using XDA App

We should pick a license too. I would vote for Apache just because that would allow us to use code from the AOSP if need be (also very business friendly so any of us could take the project off in other directions if we desired)

seclm193 said:
I would love to offer some coding assistance!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Which part you are most interested?
---
Either MIT or Apache will be fine for me, what about other devs?
Moreover, you guys prefer svn or git?

I'm an SVN fan myself but have been meaning to learn git for years now -- I just never git around to it.

Is it just me?

Everything on EVO development is being bombarded with different ports that ultimately have a lot of bugs. What happened to the days of stable roms where EVERYTHING worked such as myn's warm? I know the developers are hard at work but can we just stick to working on one port so bugs can be worked out quicker? Idk just a food for thought when trying to look for a new rom that has everything working.

locoboi187 said:
Everything on EVO development is being bombarded with different ports that ultimately have a lot of bugs. What happened to the days of stable roms where EVERYTHING worked such as myn's warm? I know the developers are hard at work but can we just stick to working on one port so bugs can be worked out quicker? Idk just a food for thought when trying to look for a new rom that has everything working.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Stick to Sprint Stock, otherwise build something of your own.

atapia984 said:
Stick to Sprint Stock, otherwise build something of your own.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Quit bashing like everyone else.

locoboi187 said:
Quit bashing like everyone else.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There was only one post there, and that was mine. I don't see "everyone else." You have asked for a suggestion, I gave you a couple.

atapia984 said:
There was only one post there, and that was mine. I don't see "everyone else." You have asked for a suggestion, I gave you a couple.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I never asked for a suggestion, and everyone else bashes a person when somebody says something negative about the EVO ports.

The stable ROMs are all still there. They haven't changed in awhile, because the most stable ROMs are modifications of the stock ROMs. There hasn't been a new stock ROM released in 5 and a half months. Most of the current development activity is around CM7, which while stable overall is much more experimental than a ROM based on stock will be, and around ports of Sense 2.1 and 3.0 along with Gingerbread. Ports will usually (if not always) be less stable than a ROM that HTC actually developed for the Evo. Many of them are impressively stable given the obstacles they have to get over when porting.
Nothing's stopping you from running Myn's RLS5 if that's what you want. We'll get a new stable GB ROM from HTC sometime in the next month or two, and I imagine all the major devs will customize it and create a new batch of ROMs that have that same level of stability. Until then, either stick with something older that's based on the 3.70 stock ROM, or live with the pitfalls of bleeding edge that are inherent in the current ROMs.

bkrodgers said:
The stable ROMs are all still there. They haven't changed in awhile, because the most stable ROMs are modifications of the stock ROMs. There hasn't been a new stock ROM released in 5 and a half months. Most of the current development activity is around CM7, which while stable overall is much more experimental than a ROM based on stock will be, and around ports of Sense 2.1 and 3.0 along with Gingerbread. Ports will usually (if not always) be less stable than a ROM that HTC actually developed for the Evo. Many of them are impressively stable given the obstacles they have to get over when porting.
Nothing's stopping you from running Myn's RLS5 if that's what you want. We'll get a new stable GB ROM from HTC sometime in the next month or two, and I imagine all the major devs will customize it and create a new batch of ROMs that have that same level of stability. Until then, either stick with something older that's based on the 3.70 stock ROM, or live with the pitfalls of bleeding edge that are inherent in the current ROMs.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for that helpful response that was not counterproductive. I will stick with AOSP Gingerbread for now

locoboi187 said:
I never asked for a suggestion, and everyone else bashes a person when somebody says something negative about the EVO ports.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You mentioned you want to get something stable with EVERYTHING working. Stick to Sprint Stock.

I'm running Deck 1.2r and have been running Deck since 1.1 and It sseems pretty damn stable to me get around 12hr of battery on moderate use, haven't had to reboot in over a week. Just gotta keep your eyes open.
--In 1938 I killed a Hobo--

You're talking buggy ports of future software versions versus stable available builds?
Yeah, it's just you.
And, no, it's not 'food for thought.'
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

atapia984 said:
You mentioned you want to get something stable with EVERYTHING working. Stick to Sprint Stock.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Mentioning and asking are two completely different concepts.

I just recently said the same thing and got jumped on for not knowing: "instead of focusing on one port of software from the "future" Let's just grab everything we can from the "future" and throw it out there and have the first 4 pages of the development section full of non full working roms and jump on anyone that says "what gives"
I mean really you guys don't have to be anal about everything. Take a second to at least explain to the guy the situation at hand because between the 35549 pages of "get your cards partitioned this is going to be huge" and "OMG I'm so excited i'm going to hit f5 til my keyboard falls off" some may not understand that what's coming may actually cause their phone to do nothing more than FORCE CLOSE constantly.
And of course i'll get rebuttals of "Oh gee well use the search feature" and of course we should do that but when we do look at the good old "Known issues in the first post" we see nothing but "ELG drivers the phone may not be 100 percent and may stay on the lock screen for a few minutes" Which seems harmless and when you take the plunge your welcomed to an erratic mess.
And when you get frustrated the "Future port police" come badge flashing and baton swinging as if you should be shot for even saying "where are the stable roms." This place used to have posters who used to have manners. Now instead of trying to understand the frustrations of others, they take opportunities wheever possible to be anal.

imwillzillla said:
I just recently said the same thing and got jumped on for not knowing: "instead of focusing on one port of software from the "future" Let's just grab everything we can from the "future" and throw it out there and have the first 4 pages of the development section full of non full working roms and jump on anyone that says "what gives"
I mean really you guys don't have to be anal about everything. Take a second to at least explain to the guy the situation at hand because between the 35549 pages of "get your cards partitioned this is going to be huge" and "OMG I'm so excited i'm going to hit f5 til my keyboard falls off" some may not understand that what's coming may actually cause their phone to do nothing more than FORCE CLOSE constantly.
And of course i'll get rebuttals of "Oh gee well use the search feature" and of course we should do that but when we do look at the good old "Known issues in the first post" we see nothing but "ELG drivers the phone may not be 100 percent and may stay on the lock screen for a few minutes" Which seems harmless and when you take the plunge your welcomed to an erratic mess.
And when you get frustrated the "Future port police" come badge flashing and baton swinging as if you should be shot for even saying "where are the stable roms." This place used to have posters who used to have manners. Now instead of trying to understand the frustrations of others, they take opportunities wheever possible to be anal.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Everyone's a Republican lately ;P

felacio said:
I'm running Deck 1.2r and have been running Deck since 1.1 and It sseems pretty damn stable to me get around 12hr of battery on moderate use, haven't had to reboot in over a week. Just gotta keep your eyes open.
--In 1938 I killed a Hobo--
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
12 hours on moderate use is not good.

imwillzillla said:
I just recently said the same thing and got jumped on for not knowing: "instead of focusing on one port of software from the "future" Let's just grab everything we can from the "future" and throw it out there and have the first 4 pages of the development section full of non full working roms and jump on anyone that says "what gives"
I mean really you guys don't have to be anal about everything. Take a second to at least explain to the guy the situation at hand because between the 35549 pages of "get your cards partitioned this is going to be huge" and "OMG I'm so excited i'm going to hit f5 til my keyboard falls off" some may not understand that what's coming may actually cause their phone to do nothing more than FORCE CLOSE constantly.
And of course i'll get rebuttals of "Oh gee well use the search feature" and of course we should do that but when we do look at the good old "Known issues in the first post" we see nothing but "ELG drivers the phone may not be 100 percent and may stay on the lock screen for a few minutes" Which seems harmless and when you take the plunge your welcomed to an erratic mess.
And when you get frustrated the "Future port police" come badge flashing and baton swinging as if you should be shot for even saying "where are the stable roms." This place used to have posters who used to have manners. Now instead of trying to understand the frustrations of others, they take opportunities wheever possible to be anal.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
There are stable ROMS, NOT CM7 or MIUI, btw, you just have to look past page one on the Dev forum and read the last few comments.
One of the things I liked about SDX is that when we were dev'ing the moment, there is a section for testing and a section for releases, which usually needed to be stable before they got posted in that forum

What is moderate use anyways normal use for me is being on my phone often which to some would be heavy lol with me using my phone the way I do is moderate heavy imo is like playing a game for a ur or two
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA Premium App

Some of the new ports of the shift are stable, but some of those ports have funky colors! I wished a stock version were released along with the funky color versions
flame on!!!!!!!

Downgrade Lollipop Back To KitKat 4.4.4 [GUIDE]

I didnt like the new android 5.0.2 lollipop update on my xperia z for some reason my device was getting really hot just holding it in my hand and not doing anything and also the battery life wasnt that good either so i downgraded thanks to this guy who posted a tutorial on youtube it helped me to get kitkat back on my phone! P.S I wont be upgrading untill sony or whoever fixes this heres the link to the video if anyone else is facing the same problem and wants to downgrade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2HIYpeZaTM

You didn't even give the phone a chance, every update ever, the phone performance goes a bit peculiar to begin with.

Ohhhhhhhhhhh.. I can't control my laugh.... People crying crying and crying for the update.. And now? ... Ohhhhhhaaaa

Troll

Love Sony, but sorry to say it is a laugh reading all the babies moaning about not having lollipop yet(on all devices) and then when they get it they moan again be thankful your z got the update. My 2014 Xperia ain't gonna get it give it a week to settle down at least. Sorry for the off topic post
D2303 18.3.1.C.1.15 kk deodexed rooted philz touch recovery bravia engine 2 + x-reality viper audio

People waiting for the update and now this.
Lol
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

Jesus F Christ...are you all retarded or something?
I see that there is more fanboys than actual users....
Just because we waited for LP it doesnt mean that we need to prise it like it was some sort of holly update... it have bugs, its not fast as it could be, etc etc... if someone dont like it why do you call it trolling? you are F trolls because you just cant handle other person opinion...
And dont defend it like it would be your daughter virginity... LP just suck in overall, and this update is nothing special. For example I waited for LP just to check how it work compared to 4..4 and 4.3
And its nothing special! Now I can go back to 4.3 that personally I like, and if you dont like my choose, and other users choose? Deal with it. that someone dont think like you.
You all gonna defend this update in every way, even if most of you see that its NOTHING SPECIAL.
Im not saying that I was expecting huge changes but I dont see any reasons to keep it if it doesnt work as some people like. You dont like it that someone dont like your beloved LP? keep it for yourself!
Its not trolling when someone say what he think. You dont like it go wank your "lolipop" looking at it on your xperia...

Akinaro said:
Jesus F Christ...are you all retarded or something?
I see that there is more fanboys than actual users....
Just because we waited for LP it doesnt mean that we need to prise it like it was some sort of holly update... it have bugs, its not fast as it could be, etc etc... if someone dont like it why do you call it trolling? you are F trolls because you just cant handle other person opinion...
And dont defend it like it would be your daughter virginity... LP just suck in overall, and this update is nothing special. For example I waited for LP just to check how it work compared to 4..4 and 4.3
And its nothing special! Now I can go back to 4.3 that personally I like, and if you dont like my choose, and other users choose? Deal with it. that someone dont think like you.
You all gonna defend this update in every way, even if most of you see that its NOTHING SPECIAL.
Im not saying that I was expecting huge changes but I dont see any reasons to keep it if it doesnt work as some people like. You dont like it that someone dont like your beloved LP? keep it for yourself!
Its not trolling when someone say what he think. You dont like it go wank your "lolipop" looking at it on your xperia...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
dude, pls stop cursing and swearing. we are here making friends not foes
yes i know my english is bad too

@madscientistdam you only gave the rom about a days use. I'm sure there could have been many things you could have tried to fix your issue.
This just made me lol....

madscientistdam said:
I didnt like the new android 5.0.2 lollipop update on my xperia z for some reason my device was getting really hot just holding it in my hand and not doing anything and also the battery life wasnt that good either so i downgraded thanks to this guy who posted a tutorial on youtube it helped me to get kitkat back on my phone! P.S I wont be upgrading untill sony or whoever fixes this heres the link to the video if anyone else is facing the same problem and wants to downgrade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2HIYpeZaTM
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What method did you use to install?
Also, did you do a factory reset afterwards?
Personally, I am really impressed with our little update. I'm not getting any overheating and the standby time is great. On-screen time is about the same but I should let the update settle first before judging it but even if it's the same as Kitkat the smoother operation is well worth it.

Akinaro said:
Jesus F Christ...are you all retarded or something?
I see that there is more fanboys than actual users....
Just because we waited for LP it doesnt mean that we need to prise it like it was some sort of holly update... it have bugs, its not fast as it could be, etc etc... if someone dont like it why do you call it trolling? you are F trolls because you just cant handle other person opinion...
And dont defend it like it would be your daughter virginity... LP just suck in overall, and this update is nothing special. For example I waited for LP just to check how it work compared to 4..4 and 4.3
And its nothing special! Now I can go back to 4.3 that personally I like, and if you dont like my choose, and other users choose? Deal with it. that someone dont think like you.
You all gonna defend this update in every way, even if most of you see that its NOTHING SPECIAL.
Im not saying that I was expecting huge changes but I dont see any reasons to keep it if it doesnt work as some people like. You dont like it that someone dont like your beloved LP? keep it for yourself!
Its not trolling when someone say what he think. You dont like it go wank your "lolipop" looking at it on your xperia...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
did you dive Lollipop more than 5 minutes worth of trying?
I have flashed the HK region software onto my phone because of Kit Kat software issues such as intermittent microphone not being recognised- which have plagued me since November last year. I lost a lot of opportunities to get a new job in the time it took to deliver this update.
Yes my phone also ran really hot too the first time I was setting it up after flashing the Android OS. This was also while I was trying to restore apps after my third party backup application(MyBavckup Pro) failed to be able to save the backups to my SD card because of the kit kat restrictions on writing to the SD card.
To be honest after giving the software a go for four hours- I will say the new layout isnt as beautiful as I hoped it would be, but my phone is now more functional than it used to be. I no longer have to root my phone to perform tasks such as screen recording, the new updates to google chrome are great- memory management on my phone is far better and surprisingly my camera is performing better.
I havent noticed issues with charging now that the initial mass redownload of my apps and re syncing of my backed up data from the cloud. I am yet to see if my main reason for wanting a software update is resolved though

Good work.. To use which one is everyones personal discretion, lets not fight over it..:beer:

Tommy-Geenexus said:
Stop or you'll be reported.
I have tried 5.02 on my (now dead) Nexus 5, which resulted in constant ooem's.
What Sony has done is incredible, it looks and feels better plus memory leak fixes are included, it runs quite good, i'm impressed.
If i look what Samsung did with 5.02 i can only applaud to Sony, well done.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
"Stop or you'll be reported." Since you are German I guess you miss the communist time before the Berlin Wall got destroyed!
Accept that people have different opinions. You didnt had any problems well good for you, but many other did including me. I was afraid to upgrade to Lollipop since every major update there has been something that didnt worked well in the beginning. I thought I should wait until Sony fixes these problems this time but I was too curious. I liked Lollipop but it didn't just worked. I did a factory reset after the upgrade but still I had many problems. The problems I had and the reason I'm (for now) going back to KitKat 4.4.4 are:
- Battery drain. First it said 3 days and 2 hours with stamina mode on, did hardly last one day. Screentime was bad, 1% drop every 1-2 minutes, a bit less when not using, dont know exactly but 1 % every 10 minutes.
- Phone turning of of itself. Had it in my pocket, took it out and it was of, turned it on and later it was of again. turned it on and left it on the table, after a while it tuned of itself again.
- Autofocus problem in Camera. Made video capture, when it saw the faces if focused on them which is a good function idea and might work if you make an interview. People moving or dancing doesn't work. In a bright room the video got lighter and darker every second. Sometimes the focus didn't worked at all so it got all blurry for 5 seconds, that happened repeatedly.
Those where the "only" problems that I had with Lollipop. I'm happy for those that doesn't have any problems with Lollipop and I'm impressed that Sony gave us this update to our old phone. Xperia Z was the best phone when it came out over 2 years ago and is still really good. So I'm really happy that i got a Sony but for now I will stay with KitKat, think those problems mainly are Googles fault but if these problems are well known, why don't just skip 5.0.2 and we wait a little longer for 5.1 if that solves the problems... probably not though

oskar_08 said:
"Stop or you'll be reported." Since you are German I guess you miss the communist time before the Berlin Wall got destroyed!
Accept that people have different opinions. You didnt had any problems well good for you, but many other did including me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Surprisingly nobody misses communism here (not even me, crazy).
Different opinions - fine.
Insulting other people - not really needed, right?

Tommy-Geenexus said:
Surprisingly nobody misses communism here (not even me, crazy).
Different opinions - fine.
Insulting other people - not really needed, right?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree that it was unnecessary to use bad language, just as my comment about communism was unnecessary but i wouldn't call it insulting people what he wrote. I agree with him that those that wrote before were kind of retarded saying "troll" and just laughing about it. Yes it's a bit silly when you think about that so many have been cheering and waiting for LP and now this. But many persons got problem they didn't had before LP, including me. Those comments were just stupid and probably written by fanboys not giving any advise to a solution at all.
There is a reason that the youtube-video now has 2200 views, LP wasn't just good enough (at the moment hopefully).

Database Users

welcome