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Cyanogen 6.0. Is it way over rated?

Here is a question for everyone. It's not a trolling question, nor is it designed to provoke anger. As a faithfull user of cyanogen 6 since its inception (nightly updates, RC1, RC2, and Full) Lets boil this down.
Things that work:
1. Its fast as hell.
2. No sense (makes it fast as hell).
3. Highly customizable
4. ADW tweaks are nice.
5. Feel free to add something else in here.
6. Nice screen rotation for car mounting.
7. Oh ya....its fast as hell and, as has been posted in here a million times, "...is buttery smooth."
Things that still don't work at all or work well:
1. HDMI
2. 4G
3. Radio
4. MMS with picture or voice (tried it again yesterday)
5. Voicemail issues (we all know what they are)
So......essentially....except for some modest, user appreciable "non-sense" speed boosts....this ROM actually removes some pretty darn important features.
Explain the logic of this to me?
Cyanogen has done excellent work. I am not trying to squelch that, but he (and his team) seem to be unable to resolve issues EVO users should and do find important.
With the new sense roms out there and their subsequent kernal releases, they perform, user appreciably, nearly the same as this rom with all the above MAJOR FUNCTIONS working. (Linpak, FPS2d, and Quadrant scores for which I can reproduce screen shots)
So, you get a fast rom with few of exceptional functions / features this phone is capable of.
Do you think maybe....the rom is a crutch for the phone.
Just one man's humble opinion. Maybe further versions with the important features useable will kick butt. For now......Come on. What is the obsession?
Would someone please explain my confusion on this seemingly obvious question.
So....Ill keep it as a nandroid backup. For what? I don't know.
-JZ

Pro: Stagefright AAC decoding patch implemented in CM6
Con: Bluetooth prevents phone from sleeping

I agree.. seems ridiculous to me. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I don't really want to get nit picky, but I agree with your points, and it's personally not the rom for me. At least not in its current state.

Didn't you post this in the CM6 thread?

all the features in cm6 currently PWN 4g and hdmi. for those that other are either fooling theirselves or havent really actually played with the rom
-i mean really, hdmi is nice, but you cant even use it to its full extent now...why waste the time? a saying that comes to mind "if you gonna do something, do it big" or "why halfass when you'll just have to come back and finish it up later"
sorry i just dont think a HALF working hdmi in sense or even stock roms for that matter are worth bragging about.
-4g is NICE, however its only ONE phone that has this option as of right now (excluding the samsung epic that just launched today). It makes NO sense at all to focus on a feature that is only exclusive to ONE phone...not to mention the code for 4g is intricately woven into Sense, so it takes some time to remove and code for it
-Radio? Seriously? It just seems like yer being a hater here.... I do realize having the FM radio is nice and all....but even in the stock roms you have to have gay ass headphones.
With all the pandora radio, stitcher radio and other podcast..... is it REALLY that big of a deal? i think not especially since i dont have to be on a leash with headphones and can play through my speaker
-NO other rom has a higher bitpool for bluetooth aka if you use a2dp to stream to your car's stereo...unless your using cm6.... your stream is gonna sound like ****!!! This is a BIGGGG feature
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
as far as the voicemail...i dont use sprint's voicemail on this phone....i link it to my gvoice....but i can definitely understand the frustration not being able to get to your vmail.
i guess people like cm6 because it pwns and own all while not being a bloatware king and slowing **** down

ya....i wasn't sure where the "most appropriate" place to post it was. You know how folks won't answer your question/quandry, but rather say, "this isn't the appropriate place for this." So....pre-empting that I posted it in both places in case one gets deleted.

They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.

it pwns? with modest appreciable speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
4g, hdmi, (ill give you the radio), mms (not sending messages with photos or sound or both attached) are not little things. Also....if you have a decent HDMI set it will recognize the settings and accomodate....so come on. OBJECTIVE not SUBJECTIVE.
The sense roms have comprable linpak, quadrant, and BETTER fps2d scores.
Im not hating....just posting OBJECTIVE findings.

rubixmaster said:
They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.
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My thoughts exactly.

Nope.
HDMI? Why would I want that in a phone?
4G? I'm not in a 4g area.
Radio? Haha.. why? It never worked right for me anyway and my Zune gets better reception.
MMS - I sent my wife a picture just yesterday. No issues there.
VM - I use GV and always have. No issues.

jasonziter said:
it pwns? with modest speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
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Bro, I'm not going to do research for you. If you haven't already, flash CM6 final on your phone. If it doesn't fly compared to a Sense ROM, you are doing something wrong or you need to return your phone.

goodelyfe said:
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
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That is SMS (aka texting) and the 160 character limit is the CDMA technology limit, has nothing to do with a ROM. MMS (aka picture/multimedia mail) is what he is referring to. But I'm not sure exactly what problems he's referring to, because I though MMS worked fine on my phone when I had CM on it.
You feel it is faster by far then other roms, that is your opinion, hard factual numbers do not necessarily agree with you. I didn't want to get into the nit picky, as I stated before, because honestly I respect CM for doing things I could never dream of doing. But your post reads as if a one sided defensive retort. Prove him wrong in his stance, saying it feels faster does not do so, because that is one of it's few claims to fame.
And yes, I've run multiple nightlies, and ran RC1, I did not care for any of them enough to keep me around long. I am waiting however for 6.1 and look forward to trying it out.

Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.

jasonziter said:
Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.
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You're asking him to do the testing to back up his point, when you're the one with the challenge?
BUT
I might have just found something I'm interested in and maybe I'll do the testing you're asking for today during my afternoon at work.
Fresh installed FreakEvo and Fresh CM 6.0 running the gambit.

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lol dude!!! lol 'dont show me emotionally'
it seems you and maybe another are the ones who are getting upset/emotional
lol
you ask us our opinions, then you 'attack' us for them.....and your rebuttal is back it up with objective data....
dude its not that serious.
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I understand your curiosity about what makes it measurably better, but I don't undestand what makes you think anyone would be motivated to win you over..
I love CM6 and am very happy to be running it on my phone, it's smooth and reliable and I'm happy with it. I could give a **** if you like it or decide to start using it.
If you don't see the value, and if you prefere a sense based rom then use a sense based rom. If you want to know the difference then flash them both and run your objective tests and share the results with the community. It would be interesting to know but I don't forsee anyone providing you with this data in an attempt to convince you to become a CM6 user.
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?

Zergburger that is a mighty quadrant score indeed. What were you OC'ed to in that?

nebenezer said:
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?
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^this^ lol

[Q] What is your opinion?

What's going on? To let you know, I am 25 years old and trying to rationalize my decision. Maybe you can help...
Got my Epic 2 days ago. Horrible battery life and ect... tried all the fixins without root due to a 'could be' voided warranty.
I don't want a phone that I have to hack to get it to work 'right'. That isn't the way to do things.
I am to much of an idiot to figure out how to root, delete bloatware, and etc... How am I supposed to figure this stuff out with people telling you that your a 'noob' and 'search' for it...
I might as well return the Epic and get a 'dumb' phone that does the basic phone call and text...
What do you think?

Return it and get a htc phone. I had the epic for 3 days, and really liked some of it, but really hated even more of it. Plus they fight too damn much here in the epic section.
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These new smartphones don't get anywhere close to the battery life of old non-smart phones. I could get up to a week on my old feature phone, but a day to maybe two (when we get 2.2) is about what you can expect if you tweak a few things. Get used to plugging in your phone every night, all the power these phones have comes at a price. Plus I'm sure you're playing with your phone a lot right now since you just got it .
If you're getting bad battery life when the screen is off go into Settings>About Phone>Battery Use>Cell Standby and see what the "Time without signal says". If it's 50% or more then you have the bug, it's a common Android bug for phones without Froyo. Just toggle airplane mode on for a few seconds after you reboot your phone and it should go away.
The GPS is kind of fussy at the moment, the Epic has a problem with clearing old data out of the cache and so it has a hard time picking up satellites. There's a few workarounds to this like going into the GPS menu and changing how it starts up (personally it didn't work for me), rebooting the phone always works, but if you use the GPS a lot then it works fine. For me it worked about 70% of the time until I rooted and installed a program to clear the phone's cache every few hours, now it works 100%.
Don't be intimidated by rooting either, it's really easy now with all the good One Click setups. I did it on my Mac and it took no more then 10 minutes, unrooting is just as easy. I honestly wouldn't worry about voiding the warranty, until you get into flashing roms/kernals you won't be messing anything up if you want to root to get rid of bloatware etc.
Sprint's other phones like the Evo are nice too, but the Evo has it's own set of problems. Personally I love my SAMOLED screen and we should be getting Froyo soon.

I've only had mine for about a week or so now and I really like it. I've discovered that particularly hungry apps will kill the battery in a hurry!
other than that, this being my first smartphone I've kinda been under the assumption that if you want to carry around a powerful computer in your pocket, you're going to have to make the trade off that it will burn a lot of battery when you use it. Especially since I'm still in the "open it up every few minutes just to be amazed at the amoled screen" phase where my display is consistently the #1 battery killer by a LONG shot..
so I'd say you should give it a chance but if you don't need or want a smart phone then don't drive yourself crazy with one and get a feature phone that can text and call if that's all you really need.

Toast95135 said:
These new smartphones don't get anywhere close to the battery life of old non-smart phones.
Don't be intimidated by rooting either, it's really easy now with all the good One Click setups. I did it on my Mac and it took no more then 10 minutes, unrooting is just as easy. I honestly wouldn't worry about voiding the warranty, until you get into flashing roms/kernals you won't be messing anything up if you want to root to get rid of bloatware etc.
Sprint's other phones like the Evo are nice too, but the Evo has it's own set of problems. Personally I love my SAMOLED screen and we should be getting Froyo soon.
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Thanks for the reply. I wouldn't mind rooting the phone and have seen it done on youtube. That shouldn't be too hard. But how would I go about getting all the extra crap on there off? Does this alone improve battery life? If not, what do I delete?
Is waiting for 2.2 really going to be God sent for our phones? And will 2.2 erase all my hard work rooting it?
Thank You for your time... It means alot.

Try this... go into the "Account & sync" settings by pressing the menu button> settings> account & sync. then uncheck "auto-sync" that should increase battery, if that didn't increase battery enough for you uncheck background data as well. finally if your still not satisfied re-enable "background data" by checking it again and go to the android market and download 'QUICK SETTINGS" by Sergej Shafarenaka open it press the hardware menu button> customize and drag "Mobile data" (not the one that says APN) into "Visible settings" that way whenever you open "quick settings" you can toggle 3g on and off. with 3g off you can still text and receive and make phone calls and your battery will last over 2 days without charging. hope this help I have never rooted my epic btw.
For example this is how I have mines set up.
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And only because I don't feel like trying to produce evidence of 2+ days with my phone due to the fact that I actually like using all of the fun battery killing apps that run in the background because I have a spare battery anyway.. the only time I really ever try to maximize my battery life (and no this does NOT mean by not using my phone, because trust me i'm the perfect example of that windows phone ad im always in my phone! and i never let it die without a spare lol) is on the weekends I when I party all day & night, or some sort of rare special occasion where I know I'm not going to see a outlet for a long time.
anyway heres a example of whats possible by doing the last things i suggested (despite the fact whoever screen captured this achieved it a different way) basically disable internet whenever your not using it. just goes to show there are many ways to maximize your battery. this is just one of the ways I do it... and I feel this is highly effective.
These smartphones needs a one click "energy saver mode" that just does all the tweaks for you, basically turning your "smartphone" into a "dumbphone" lol because I honestly have little doubt this phone would last nearly a weak if it did.

curving_edge said:
What's going on? To let you know, I am 25 years old and trying to rationalize my decision. Maybe you can help...
Got my Epic 2 days ago. Horrible battery life and ect... tried all the fixins without root due to a 'could be' voided warranty.
I don't want a phone that I have to hack to get it to work 'right'. That isn't the way to do things.
I am to much of an idiot to figure out how to root, delete bloatware, and etc... How am I supposed to figure this stuff out with people telling you that your a 'noob' and 'search' for it...
I might as well return the Epic and get a 'dumb' phone that does the basic phone call and text...
What do you think?
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Get a dumb phone the battery will last you a week! oh and you can make and receive calls from it. My vote

There are so many threads on here where people tell you exactly how to get amazing battery life out of your phone. It must be a defunct battery because I cannot comprehend how anyone could be having problems with their battery after the number of times its been answered on this forum alone.
Disable DRM
toggle airplane mode
wifi never sleep
juicedefender + ultimate juice
Easily 20-24 hours of battery life for medium use.

If u want batt life get a dumb phone. If u want geautures get a smartphone. I can't live without a smartphone bc I use it like a computer to stay connected all day when I'm away from home. If u feel u don't really need all the feutures get a dumb phone.
Sent from my Epic 4G

Thank You for your replies thus far. I am pleased to inform you that I went back to the sprint store and got a brand new replacement. New battery and everything.
I have followed all of your directions as well. I will post soon and let you know how everything is.
I have alot of confidence in the epic but wish the battery wasn't giving me a epic headache!
Wish me luck, I owe you guys alot of respect. Will keep you posted...

curving_edge said:
I might as well return the Epic and get a 'dumb' phone that does the basic phone call and text...
What do you think?
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Sounds like you're not smartphone friendly. Many people I know are not. But luckily there's a large and varied assortment of devices to choose from. Get a phone that makes phone calls, and maybe messages well, and be happy.

I have had the phone off the charger since yesterday at 11pm and it is now 2 pm eastern time today. Looks great and promising. I will follow up on the research. I also have seen 'how to' root the epic on youtube. Thats easy, just working on how to get the bloatware off and other items to tweak...
-Curv

I have no idea how people get more than a day out of their phones, no matter the model. Every phone I've ever owned ranging from dumb, quick messeging and smart, I've had to charge every night. Its been like this for 6+ years for me.
Getting more than a day out of a phone is unrealistic to me.
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When I first got my phone it took me awhile to learn the basics on how to root and what not, hence the fact it was my first android device (other then the evo, which I didnt root or anything) Root is easy and once you do that you can flash different ROM's/Kernel's to help improve your battery life. I enjoy flashing to new things and once android 2.2 comes out there will be bigger and better things in stored for us.
Now what I didnt realize when I first tried to root my phone was to download SDK manager? It took me the longest time to root, I followed every direction I found which a lot of them never stated to download SDK because they assumed we knew. If you really want to have fun and root your phone then here is what I suggest.
1. Search Google for "SDK Android" click the first link to download it. (may take up to 30+ mins to download everything)
2. Read the Wiki in the Epic Android Development Section. Learn what rooting does to your phone. It also explains how to root your device.
That's how I rooted my phone, now changing ROM's/Kernels is another thing but that too is VERY easy. If you need help I will be willing to help you, I too am and noob and speak NOOB language lol.

sryans2004 said:
When I first got my phone it took me awhile to learn the basics on how to root and what not, hence the fact it was my first android device (other then the evo, which I didnt root or anything) Root is easy and once you do that you can flash different ROM's/Kernel's to help improve your battery life. I enjoy flashing to new things and once android 2.2 comes out there will be bigger and better things in stored for us.
Now what I didnt realize when I first tried to root my phone was to download SDK manager? It took me the longest time to root, I followed every direction I found which a lot of them never stated to download SDK because they assumed we knew. If you really want to have fun and root your phone then here is what I suggest.
1. Search Google for "SDK Android" click the first link to download it. (may take up to 30+ mins to download everything)
2. Read the Wiki in the Epic Android Development Section. Learn what rooting does to your phone. It also explains how to root your device.
That's how I rooted my phone, now changing ROM's/Kernels is another thing but that too is VERY easy. If you need help I will be willing to help you, I too am and noob and speak NOOB language lol.
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Hey sry... Thanks for the hand up on this situation. Should I wait till 2.2 or maybe try a root now? I might as well do it now and get familiar with it...
Pm me if you like, I will try the root this weekend. Thanks alot!

If you care about battery life and want a smartphone, Blackberries are the way to go. Just don't expect anywhere near the features, customizability, or power of Android. Also, don't expect anywhere nearly as good hardware.
Everything is a compromise. I imagine though that you if hold out on the Epic, the Epic equal of this, an EVO extended battery will come out.

My old flip phone has worse battery life than my Moment

GB Impressions

Ok, aside from the bootloop issue upon install, I have to say so far, not bad. The blur aspect is definitely better, however I dont care for it any more now than I did before. The color scheme is quite visually appealing. Very much like lucid steel theme for fission. I would prefer the scheme from the fission gb theme but this is absolutely an improvement over the stock froyo appearance.
Overall system speed seems to be somewhat improved, and there is a big issue w/ launcher pro which sucks. with launcher pro there is some heavy lag in transitions and the general feel of the phone is kind of clunky and choppy. Without launcherpro, phone tends to run quite smooth. no status bar controls kinda sucks, and the reduced screen density w/o launcher pro is also kind of a downer, but overall im not going to complain. Its definitely progress.
One big downside I noticed after 2 days is battery life is very hit or miss. On fission 2.6.1, i was making it easily 1.5-2 days on a single charge. Yesterday I made it home with 40% left, today I was at 10% when i left work. I can attribute this heavily to Blur, but this is definatley somethign that a new fission or UD build should fix

I have to say that since the devs seemed to have abandoned the Fission project, I haven't looked back since upgrading to GB Blur. it's snappy and attractive and while it still has alot of the blur bloat i hate, root + ti backup makes things a little more manageable.
so far, i've managed to remove teh global unplug, task manager, the blur text messenger, backup asssistant and city id. my battery life is probably slightly better than it was on fission, depending on what i'm doing (games seem to destroy it).
we still have to recognize that this IS a leaked version and there are still some misses with the build. data services randomly failing, inability to make calls/send texts and the weird keyboard backlight issue. other than that, i've been pretty pleased.

I just upgraded yesterday and I am very happy with it
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They are making a fission GB right now.. I'm almost positive that Angdroid was busy with some stuff but now hes back

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They are making a fission GB right now.. I'm almost positive that Angdroid was busy with some stuff but now hes back
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Seems he indicated he was looking at it, but made no promises of an updated ROM on teamdefuse's website, twitter, or this forum...
Did you see something else where he said he was specifically working on GB Fission?

I think GB for the D2 makes some major improvements, but I can't give up liberty for it. Just have to wait and see if Liberty GB comes out.

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Seems he indicated he was looking at it, but made no promises of an updated ROM on teamdefuse's website, twitter, or this forum...
Did you see something else where he said he was specifically working on GB Fission?
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yeah i thought that topic came up when the sdk was made available, but nothing ever really came to light. i feel like after p3droid's recent tweets/posts, etc., the landscape has been drying up.

I got the impression from what p3 said that the devs were under some fire as google seems to be having second thoughts about open source, as well as unpaid tethering raising some eyebrows with teh carriers, which is understandable.
Hopefully once things get ironed out we'll see some ovens refire and some cool stuff gettin rolled out.
I'm still kind of split and definitely agree that gaming on gb is a battery killer in a huge way. Overall battery life is good, however i've had a few days where it just sucked down. Ive been off charge since 6am, 12 hours later with minimal-moderate useage i'm at 70%, however there have been days where I have used the phone way less and been getting charge warnings by 2pm.
Hopefully the official release will solve the rest of these issues.

All I can say is that I hope some custom ROMs are available for Droid 2 Gingerbread soon, because what I have now is buggy to the point of being frustrating. Besides being a memory hog, I sometimes lose my data connection for no apparent reason and my keyboard backlight doesn't always work. Also, even when I do have a data connection, my phone has problems loading web pages much of the time.
Sent from my DROID2 using XDA App

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the screen sometimes randomly shuts off without warning.
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if you have an issue with the screen randomly shutting off try unchecked the in pocket detection setting. I found this was way to sensitive and would consistently shut my screen off in dimly lit areas.

yeah, battery life has become sketchy, like one day i'll make it through the day with 60% left with moderate useage, similar useage next day i'll be charging by noon. USB reboots have reared their ugly head in the last 48 hours to the point where im charging off of the wall outlet and seriously considering sbfing back to fission 2.6.1

To this point I haven't had any major problems whatsoever ...
Only thing is browser sometimes crashes ...batt life is amazing!
9hr shift on work barely drops to 70% with wifi always turned on moderate txt n web
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SIgh WTF getting whitescreen ....cant get back to CWMR, tried every thing....wtf ..... is this bootlooping? NO MATTER WHAT I do can not get back into recovery.
I have a trick to acces any files but most of them seem corrupted? Im only guesing as there is now a "?" by the file icon.
I tried loading bootsrap recovery
phone appeared bricked. rebooted and again cannot get into recovery.
I laready had 2.3 rom ...did I miss something? IM usually pretty good on this stuff. Modded my hd2 and rooted my g2x no issues....what dee hell is dis sheot
(mods move if I am posting in wrong section)
SOB me having bad day...lol...just realised this is the dev thread not general...I suck .....POINTS!!!!!
EDIT:
AH HA!!!! I was able to get to CWMR by an interesting method! I had previusly DL mini task manager(took it off the market for some reason) and thats THE ONLY ap that was working!
so anyways in the info bar at top it was showing mini task coming up .... Somehow it was acting as a backup! (has any one else experienced this?) so I long tapped on bootstrap rec icon and voila! it asked if I wanted to go into bootstrap and of course I did and .....yes!!! thank you cwm i got to the recovery green screen!!
FIrst I tried Tpro recovery....would not work....tried loading bootstrapzip....nothing...so....I figure since all my shizzle is backed up through my google act I did a factory reset, wipe data, and redid the new GB hack.
VOILA! it loaded ! no bootloop! just had to re-register phone and accounts!
so I leave you with this narcissistic picture of myself....
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Hey everyone,
I've been running GB and ZS for about a week now. The one thing that I noticed was that there isn't anywhere where you can turn off mobile data? Maybe I'm blind, but it's not in wireless and networks? Any ideas? If not, oh well. I still think I found something in GB that's keeping me from going back to 2.2. It's just as stable as 2.2 only faster! Anyways, cheers all!

Seanydizzley said:
Hey everyone,
I've been running GB and ZS for about a week now. The one thing that I noticed was that there isn't anywhere where you can turn off mobile data? Maybe I'm blind, but it's not in wireless and networks? Any ideas? If not, oh well. I still think I found something in GB that's keeping me from going back to 2.2. It's just as stable as 2.2 only faster! Anyways, cheers all!
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It should be under
-settings
-data/battery
-enable data saver mode
That should only downloads over wifi only

tnygigles66 said:
It should be under
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-data/battery
-enable data saver mode
That should only downloads over wifi only
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Of course its there. Lol. Didn't even think of that. A nice thanks coming your way!

RandomROM 2.3 v2 "Hawk"

Greetings All,
I've been running the title line ROM for several days now and am impressed with it in general. This sucker uses next to nothing in terms of juice when the screen is off and when my Epic is "sleeping". I've been getting an average of 38 hours with my useage; by comparison, on stock I would be lucky to see 22 hours. On SRF ROMs for example, I would average 28 hours (which I was pleased with)...but got bit by the damn flashing bug and, as much as I say "hmmm, I'll stick with this one", well
It's pretty important for me to get a minimum of 24hrs of battery time on my phone due to my schedule, convenience (or lack of) with charging opportunities away from home. SRF ROMs have been really good for that; Hawk has garnered 10 more hours, most excellent.
The flash went great, no issues, I haven't experienced any FC's, the apparent memory leakage has been minimal, and most everything I need to work does. My data speeds (using EG22) are the same crappy speeds, tried EF, EG and EH modems that were either worse in some area or battery drainers. The ROM itself is snappy, good looking, and did I mention the battery life is great?
I only have one issue: A couple of apps I use to have are no longer "available" on the provided version of the market ("Black Market"). One of them is a paid app that I used every day, is pretty important for my job and is kind of a deal breaker (custom shift calendar/time tracking/scheduling app). I'm sure it has something to do with either the market version or perhaps even GB and not the fault of the ROM...so no slams whatsoever directed to it or to RandomKing.
Is it possible to flash a different Android Market version? I would imagine it depends on what phone signature it sees as to availability of apps(?).
Also, just as an aesthetic thing, I very much liked the on-screen keyboard that was provided with shane's Dark Horse theme...would it be possible to pull that apk, pop it into my system folder and run it on this ROM?
Anyways, great ROM RK (if you read this), thank you very much for your efforts. If I can get my app issue resolved, this will be my daily driver for quite some time.
Aww who am I kiddin'...it'll be my daily until that damn flashing itch overcomes my will

I am newish to the whole 'flashing' thing, but this is my third ROM and so far I am loving it much more than the others. Thanks RK!!
battery life seems great..
runs very smoothly
like the font
like that the kernel comes with the ROM
fast
haven't had any re-boot issues (that i know of)

do NOT quote me on this, but i had a similar problem back when i owned an OG droid. My market sucked balls and started to FC a lot, and sometimes when i would flash a new ROM it wouldn't see some apps. What i did was downloaded the default GAPPS zip and extract the APK and install it. easy, and it fixed this. also, with the keyboard thing, i'm not sure. i'd imagine you'd have to find a zip to flash it. but the keyboard is through an APK as well...so go to the system/app folder and extract it see if that works? again, don't quote me on this stuff, i'm probably totally wrong.

Have to agree. Fantastic rom everything works to perfection. Although my battery
life is not near what everybody claims.

Yes the font the snappiness of the phone even though the benchmarks don't equal
the performance.

yea. people claim to have like over 9000 hours of battery life. the only way i achieve this is by turning off 3g whenever i don't use it which is like, 60% of my day. he achieves the battery saving by disabling a lot of stuff that's kinda important to most. like email notifications and stuff...but meh, it works. Random Hawk is a beast. can't wait for his actual release once source gets leaked since this is Alpha.

Nice Rom
Been on this one for a few days. It's a good one.

Im at 15h 26m 55s and @ 53% battery life right now.
I started with fresh battery stats by booting to CWM and resetting the stats right after it was fully charged..
Wifi and email notifications are ALWAYS on. I spent about a half hour on the phone so far, turned alarm on, downloaded about 10 apps, played ~30 minutes of angry birds last night and checked my mail about every 20 minutes (when I was awake of course) Also spent some time texting.
Also OC'd to 1.2 Ghz
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This is A LOT better battery life than I usually get.
The reason I am not connected to Wifi is because I just got to work and haven't logged into the network yet!

EddyBalls said:
he achieves the battery saving by disabling a lot of stuff that's kinda important to most. like email notifications and stuff...
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I have wifi, 3G, and 1 hour email notifications at all times. I only disable google sync. But that's only because I use stock mail rather than the gmail app and don't synchronize my calendar.
-Sent from my Random Epic.

Well, I've got my issues resolved and this ROM is flyin'. Definately a keeper.
@Eddyballs
Went a 'round about way to get my missing apps installed (MyBackupRoot is a beautiful thing), now all is good. Keyboard was a bust...once I got the apk installed, it just FC'ed. No biggie. Went to the Market and got a GB keyboard (unthemed) and now it's somewhat to my liking (I don't care much for the Swype keyboard). Thanks for your input.
@turbosocks
Damn good numbers!
@ RandomKing
Thanks again sir for an excellent ROM. Can't wait to try your next build!

RandomKing said:
I have wifi, 3G, and 1 hour email notifications at all times. I only disable google sync. But that's only because I use stock mail rather than the gmail app and don't synchronize my calendar.
-Sent from my Random Epic.
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Stock email is good, but ya I've turned off google sync too and I get better battery life. Wifi's policy is great, and 3g is ok. Sometimes 3g uses more battery than wifi. Its odd but yea. Oh and I kinda hate to bring it up here, but since you're here Mr. RandomKing, the rom keeps resetting on me at times. I'll send a txt to someone sometimes and I get that triple vibrating thing, then my phone resets. Not fully but softly. It happens at random too, not just with txts.
lol my Epic made you look

VooDooOmen said:
@Eddyballs
Went a 'round about way to get my missing apps installed (MyBackupRoot is a beautiful thing), now all is good. Keyboard was a bust...once I got the apk installed, it just FC'ed. No biggie. Went to the Market and got a GB keyboard (unthemed) and now it's somewhat to my liking (I don't care much for the Swype keyboard). Thanks for your input.
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Np, im just hating myself for not being that helpful. I wish I knew more. Someday, someday... but glad you got yourself up and running. If you want a better keyboard I can upload my flashable gb-kb? Its my favorite so far and its not stock either. Its modded
lol made you look

EddyBalls said:
Stock email is good, but ya I've turned off google sync too and I get better battery life. Wifi's policy is great, and 3g is ok. Sometimes 3g uses more battery than wifi. Its odd but yea. Oh and I kinda hate to bring it up here, but since you're here Mr. RandomKing, the rom keeps resetting on me at times. I'll send a txt to someone sometimes and I get that triple vibrating thing, then my phone resets. Not fully but softly. It happens at random too, not just with txts.
lol my Epic made you look
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RandomKing said:
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Finally got the time to install this. Totally worked. My goodness you're awesome.

ICS: Taboonay vs Lightspeed

Basically just a heads up, with Taboonay, performance wise it was good despite being a stock kernel (that's how much an improvement ICS is over HC) however, the damn thing was eating through my battery. In the course of 12 hrs, my tab was dead... while on standby ???? Checked the battery usage history and nothing stood out. Im thinking my WIFI never turned off even in standby because as i sent and recieved IMs my IM app on the tab was chiming as well while i was on the desktop.
Switched to Lightspeed, significantly better, 1 hr use per day over 2 days still on 62% battery. Dunno if it was an app or the IM app for sure. Overall, its a much cleaner, slicker rom, however the OOB exp is disabled so if you were hoping to run the setup wizard, put in your Google account and just have it pull in all your apps and settings automatically, sorry, no beans, you have to manually do all of that by hand which is annoying.
Other than that, Lightspeed ICS is a huge WIN!!
If the ICS Lightspeed Dev runs across this post, please re enable the OOB for ICS so i can just pop in my G account and have it set it up for me. Tks all!
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PS I did install ICS Flexreaper and Icylicious and they ran fine but after 5 mins tapping around i didn't like how they looked. It looked like a 5 year old customised them and the "eye candy" was atrocious :S
No offense to the devs, they just didn't suit my taste. I actually like the default Holo UI in ICS and I also did in HC (preferred the old font from HC too, but Roboto is good too)
To those (clarification... other devs out there, my bad) devs, please take some time and seriously consider you choice of apps and themes please!!
Thanks for all your hard work, it is most highly appreciated.
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Roms can be found here:
http://www.acertabletforum.com/forum/acer-iconia-tab-roms/1060-iconia-a500-501-rom-list-updated-05-mar-2012-a.html

Everyone has their own taste/preference for sure....but please don't call someone else's work atrocious...its just not nice :/
Sent from my ADR6350 using xda premium

OP is speaking his mind. He does have that right.
veer01_42 said:
Basically just a heads up, with Taboonay, performance wise it was good despite being a stock kernel (that's how much an improvement ICS is over HC) however, the damn thing was eating through my battery. In the course of 12 hrs, my tab was dead... while on standby ???? Checked the battery usage history and nothing stood out. Im thinking my WIFI never turned off even in standby because as i sent and recieved IMs my IM app on the tab was chiming as well while i was on the desktop.
Switched to Lightspeed, significantly better, 1 hr use per day over 2 days still on 62% battery. Dunno if it was an app or the IM app for sure. Overall, its a much cleaner, slicker rom, however the OOB exp is disabled so if you were hoping to run the setup wizard, put in your Google account and just have it pull in all your apps and settings automatically, sorry, no beans, you have to manually do all of that by hand which is annoying.
Other than that, Lightspeed ICS is a huge WIN!!
If the ICS Lightspeed Dev runs across this post, please re enable the OOB for ICS so i can just pop in my G account and have it set it up for me. Tks all!
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PS I did install ICS Flexreaper and Icylicious and they ran fine but after 5 mins tapping around i didn't like how they looked. It looked like a 5 year old customised them and the "eye candy" was atrocious :S
No offense to the devs, they just didn't suit my taste. I actually like the default Holo UI in ICS and I also did in HC (preferred the old font from HC too, but Roboto is good too)
To those devs, please take some time and seriously consider you choice of apps and themes please!!
Thanks for all your hard work, it is most highly appreciated.
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Roms can be found here:
http://www.acertabletforum.com/forum/acer-iconia-tab-roms/1060-iconia-a500-501-rom-list-updated-05-mar-2012-a.html
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cliefan said:
Everyone has their own taste/preference for sure....but please don't call someone else's work atrocious...its just not nice :/
Sent from my ADR6350 using xda premium
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Pull all your apps in manually? When was titanium back up automatic
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk

veer01_42 said:
Basically just a heads up, with Taboonay, performance wise it was good despite being a stock kernel (that's how much an improvement ICS is over HC) however, the damn thing was eating through my battery. In the course of 12 hrs, my tab was dead... while on standby ???? Checked the battery usage history and nothing stood out. Im thinking my WIFI never turned off even in standby because as i sent and recieved IMs my IM app on the tab was chiming as well while i was on the desktop.
Switched to Lightspeed, significantly better, 1 hr use per day over 2 days still on 62% battery. Dunno if it was an app or the IM app for sure. Overall, its a much cleaner, slicker rom, however the OOB exp is disabled so if you were hoping to run the setup wizard, put in your Google account and just have it pull in all your apps and settings automatically, sorry, no beans, you have to manually do all of that by hand which is annoying.
Other than that, Lightspeed ICS is a huge WIN!!
If the ICS Lightspeed Dev runs across this post, please re enable the OOB for ICS so i can just pop in my G account and have it set it up for me. Tks all!
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PS I did install ICS Flexreaper and Icylicious and they ran fine but after 5 mins tapping around i didn't like how they looked. It looked like a 5 year old customised them and the "eye candy" was atrocious :S
No offense to the devs, they just didn't suit my taste. I actually like the default Holo UI in ICS and I also did in HC (preferred the old font from HC too, but Roboto is good too)
To those devs, please take some time and seriously consider you choice of apps and themes please!!
Thanks for all your hard work, it is most highly appreciated.
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Roms can be found here:
http://www.acertabletforum.com/forum/acer-iconia-tab-roms/1060-iconia-a500-501-rom-list-updated-05-mar-2012-a.html
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Only thing changed in flexreaper is soft touch (home, back, menu )buttons with mirror effect.
The ring you can flash to stock look.
Yes you have a right of your own opinion . So do I.
I like that you piss on me and then say "don't be offended blablablabla".
About battery life, if you would be as smart that you think you are, you would know it takes a few full recharges before battery settles. If that doesn't work wiping battery stats will make a big difference.
So let me explain like a 5 year old ,
You big man go to cwm ( clockwork mod) ,blablablabla.....
You want stock icons, you open systemUI.apk with blablabala.
You should be able do make full rom now.
But please big man don't be offended we do this for users like you.
A nice pm with question to have stock buttons would have been more respectfully.
But I don't expect that from a 3 year old , my little boy of 2 got more sense and respect then you.

greyoldchief said:
OP is speaking his mind. He does have that right.
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Man...that statement right there is garbage to me...
The generation of entitlement.
Xda provides a free forum to use. Devs put in may many many hours and allow us to use their roms for free... Tell me who gave him the right to come on here call some else's work atrocious?
Sent from my ADR6350 using xda premium

I didn't use titanium. I have all my files on a external SD card. All i ever have to do with a Droid reinstall is app installs and the OOBE handled that for me before quite nicely.

I said the EYECANDY was atrocious. Not the whole rom...
Wrap ur head around it. Its like you built a car and i said i didnt like the colour you painted it in. I have every right to comment on what i think of their customisations especially if its true. I like the under the hood work and i pointed out where taboonay needs some work, but what i didnt like i said.
I did my fair share of customisation and skins back in the XP days and got pretty heavily criticised myself. I stopped skinning with Vista and 7 because to me the UI was "good enough". The same with ICS. The UI is good enough so i PREFER roms with few UI customisations. That doesnt mean i think they're bad.
Have you seen the collective's ROM? Its gorgeous!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1439351
But that's just MY OPINION. Others may or may not share it. Just swallow it and move on.
If you have a problem with that then go take a time out and come back when ur ready to act like a grown up instead of a little kid who hates being criticised and judged.

Tried the battery wipe with taboonay, didn't work.
Right after Lightspeed, it did not give any problems at all.
The mirrored buttons was the thing i hated the most on civatoflexreaper. and prbably the only thing, that said i didn't know how to change it and am reaching a point in my life where i'm tired of messing with stuff. I just wanted a clean working ICS ROM.
I was making a general comment to the devs as a whole, particularly the ones who go nuts when using every effect in photoshop on every button they can find.
I did take the time to say thanks for all the hard work and that i appreciated it and I didnt spend too much time in your ROMs so people knew, "hey my statements are pretty general and maybe they should look for themselves before making a final decision"
All i criticized was the theming, don't take it personally. Quite frankly i even hate Acer's stupid acer ring customisation. After about 5 minutes i realised that it added nothing to my experience and was totally pointless. I even looked into removing it from your rom but was so tired i just looked for another ROM.
And i quote "No offense to the devs, they just didn't suit my taste"
I'm sorry but when i see something ugly i say it and i say it nicely. People worse than me would do the same thing and the word atrocious would be the least troublesome word in their vocabulary.
I'm sorry if i offended but that was not my intention.
If i continue to offend in future, i simply will not mention your work at all. Congrats on the kid btw.

I don't mind negative comments brought respectfully.
Some thing you need to learn if you ask me, again my opinion.
If some one speaks his mind the way you do , free and with no tact you need to understand that there will be a response .
I hate this about internet forums, people get away with every attitude.
Let me say it this way, if you where standing in front of me and my car got a really ugly paint job in your eyes you wouldn't say it was done by a 5 year old .
Take my word for it, I was born and raised the old way.
Respect and honour comes first....... you will see m8 if you have kids if you don't have them already you would love it when they are respectfully .
Again a simple question , he civ, I don't like the mirror effect could you upload stock look.
That would have been enough.
That was all I had to say about it , do with what you want ........

Fair enough i can respect that.
I don't usually contact modders, bad past exp from way back. I leave my comments and walk away, I don't make a habit of making requests and asking people to change things. Mainly because they never do.
I use as much tact as i can, believe me i do, however im a fairly harsh case. That said i can appreciate hard work. I was brought up the old way too. I may be a child of the 90's but i grew up with an old school family. Even thou, I've had to be harsh to get by and that, unfortunately, comes through, even on text.
I speak my mind and I've grown accustomed to dealing with the fallout single handed. But if I'm wrong i will say I'm wrong.
I know what you mean about the kids. Respect is a two way street. I deal with kids way too often, I know. I'm a harsh, but fair person.
Peace.

I tried Flexreaper and agree with you on how it look. Now I'm on Tabooney but the battery life is as good as Lightspeed. Tabooney is the best ICS ROM, at least for me.

Well I say this with respect but no custom ICS ROM I have flashed has been good to my battery as far as drain is concerned and I turn off everything but the Wifi.
Even in airplane mode the battery drains by 5% within 1 hour... I never had such issues with the custom Honey Comb ROMs.
I guess the custom ROMs are based from the stock leaks so I'm not blaming anybody or trying to make anybody look bad, just saying it as it is.

0tuzb1r said:
Well I say this with respect but no custom ICS ROM I have flashed has been good to my battery as far as drain is concerned and I turn off everything but the Wifi.
Even in airplane mode the battery drains by 5% within 1 hour... I never had such issues with the custom Honey Comb ROMs.
I guess the custom ROMs are based from the stock leaks so I'm not blaming anybody or trying to make anybody look bad, just saying it as it is.
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Might be another issue, I use taboonay and with wifi set to sleep when screen is off and will get 2 1/2 to 3 days.
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The battery is worse than HC all round for true, but I'm guessing it might be due to non-final drivers and packages. Once the final acer release is out, it might be a different story. For not the battery is good enough for me 3 - 4 days with minimal use and im good.

Or it could get worse...there's nothing to say Acer will fix any problems. Just need a decent kernel.
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civato said:
I don't mind negative comments brought respectfully.
Some thing you need to learn if you ask me, again my opinion.
If some one speaks his mind the way you do , free and with no tact you need to understand that there will be a response .
I hate this about internet forums, people get away with every attitude.
Let me say it this way, if you where standing in front of me and my car got a really ugly paint job in your eyes you wouldn't say it was done by a 5 year old .
Take my word for it, I was born and raised the old way.
Respect and honour comes first....... you will see m8 if you have kids if you don't have them already you would love it when they are respectfully .
Again a simple question , he civ, I don't like the mirror effect could you upload stock look.
That would have been enough.
That was all I had to say about it , do with what you want ........
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Nice one civato
By the i really love and respect your work and veer is just a dumb**** that wants to look cool

Moussa Dastgheib said:
Nice one civato
By the i really love and respect your work and veer is just a dumb**** that wants to look cool
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resurrection of old topic, im not saying anything

Moussa Dastgheib said:
Nice one civato
By the i really love and respect your work and veer is just a dumb**** that wants to look cool
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Ah , well I talked to veer in pm and he is OK,
Let me put it this way , if we all had the same taste there was only need for one rom.
Just one comment about flex reaper and people still saying it looks not good.
Did you try scrolling down a little to the mod part and flash full stock ICS look, if you have a little read skill you can see you can bring flexreaper to full stock ics look with no blue buttons or battery %.
I think reading is harder for some then just sitting at there pc and post some crap
And that is maybe all about intelligence and not taste.
The option is there you just need to see it.

How about an current update?
This thread's comments are really old.
When the comparrisions were made I think that was when LightSpeed was a 4.4 or less and Flexreaper was at about R12 or less.
Since then Flexreaper has made a lot of updates and Lightspeed has made a few too.
I never tried Tabooney so I don't know where that is at, but it's probably been updated too.
I tried Flexreaper and Lightspeed back a few versions ago.
I liked Flexreaper over Lightspeed. I like all the extra work that has gone into the different Flexreaper looks you can chose from. Lightspeed was just too bare bones for me. But you may like that.
I haven't yet gone to the ICS kernel so I'm starting to fall behind in the Flexreaper updates. Civato is a real busy guy and I just can't keep up with him. Keep up the good work.
Any updates comparing the latest versions of the top ICS versions would be appreciated.
Thanks