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I may be upgrading to the X soon from a rooted Eris. I've read threads for a couple hours now and keep reading about a sbf. What is it and how do you do it? Also, is Clockwork (I believe Koush modded it somehow) the only recovery available? I currently use Amon Ra recovery on my Eris to wipe and flash roms/updates/themes. Apparently there's a different process for the X that I don't yet understand.
This is how I see the whole rom flashing process working - please correct me if I'm wrong: First you root, then install the recovery app (is it an app? It replaces the recovery partition on the Eris). To boot into recovery you run the app. From there you can wipe data and dalvik, and flash roms/updates. Can you also back up and restore roms? Also, I read something about mounting /system to flash roms. So that means it's really only making changes in the system folder. Is /data affected? If not, are apps carried over from rom to rom?
How high can the X be overclocked?
Are there any CyanogenMod roms available?
Has anyone bricked an X? Is this common or only if you're careless?
I really appreciate any feedback. Like I said, I'm not new to rooting but know very little about the X and from what I've read the process is a bit different than what I'm used to.
The SBF is basically a factory reset, it restores the X to it's factory state
Great if you happen to mess up while flashing a new ROM
The Bootstrap is an application, there is currently no way to flash a recovery to our bootloader.
This said, it still can still wipe cache, /system, /data, davlik, and backup/flash/update ROMs.
There are options to mount certain partitions and some roms need this before you install them such as Fission which needs /system and /data.
Some ROMs suggest clearing /data when you install them, just read their instructions.
If you do not clear /data, then your apps will carry over, since they reside in /data/app/.
I have heard the X overclocked up to 2.0ghz, but I also heard this is unstable.
I have heard of stable clocks of 1.15, 1.2, 1.3.
YMMV, as mine only can go up to 1.1 before it freezes.
There are 2 apps that I know of that make overclocking easy.
They are $0.99 for each.
I prefer the one called Droid 2/X Overclock http://www.appbrain.com/app/droid-x-2-overclock/com.jrummy.droidx.overclock
Cyanogen ROMs are not available on the X due to our locked bootloader
I'm sure many have bricked or bootlooped their X, but in most cases, the sbf can save you.
Zanix,
Thanks for the fast and informative response. Your OC app suggestion is well noted. If I cannot get Setcpu to work I'll probably use it.
How is internal memory on the X? Verizon boasts that it has 8 GB but surely it doesn't have that much left for apps and processes after all is said and done. My phone currently only has 159 MB (depending on the size of the rom I use) so the X will be a nice upgrade for me.
SetCPU works fine on my Droid X; after I rooted it, obviously. However, SetCPU does not overclock. It underclocks. SetCPU is meant to save you battery life by throttling the CPU.
The linked app is specifically for overclocking the Droid 2/X. It serves a different purpose, ie getting more performance out of your phone.
Just wanted to make sure you are aware of that distinction.
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Zanix,
Thanks for the fast and informative response. Your OC app suggestion is well noted. If I cannot get Setcpu to work I'll probably use it.
How is internal memory on the X? Verizon boasts that it has 8 GB but surely it doesn't have that much left for apps and processes after all is said and done. My phone currently only has 159 MB (depending on the size of the rom I use) so the X will be a nice upgrade for me.
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The X has 8GB of internal storage (ROM), less space taken for the included system files and applications. Mine shows 7.02GB with 6.67GB free. The Eris has far less space if I recall, only 512MB total. You'll be able to install apps to the X to your heart's content.
The Droid X also has 512MB of RAM for processes to use, vs 288MB that the Eris has.
I'll be talking to Verizon very soon!
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How is the battery life on a rooted Droid X?
I have a HTC Incredible that my wife wants so I am thinking of getting the X as nothing better is out.
Simply afraid the battery will suck or Rooting and such will be way to tough.
Does ROM manager work with the X?
The battery on the X can't be any worse than the Incredible. HTC (I love their phones - had 1 before my X and will be getting one soon) is notoriously bad at battery consumption. I think you can expect to be on e at the end of the night with a day of moderate use.
Rooting is easy. Download "Z4Root" from the market. Hit the "Root me" button. You are good to go.
Rom manager works. But not much in there. I love Rubix. A lot of people are using Fission.
You know that the X has a locked boot loader so there are no custom kernels right? Although they did come up with a way to overclock (and under clock).
What does having a locked boot loader restrict you from doing, other than changing the kernel and adding custom boot images (the splash image displayed before the boot animation)? I know that it's made the custom recovery image difficult but it sounds like you have a work-around. Anything I left off?
...talked to Verizon today. I can transfer my mother-in-law's upgrade to my line and upgrade for $200. One of my buddies wants my Eris for his wife for $150. So for $50 I should be getting an X soon!
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What does having a locked boot loader restrict you from doing, other than changing the kernel and adding custom boot images (the splash image displayed before the boot animation)? I know that it's made the custom recovery image difficult but it sounds like you have a work-around. Anything I left off?
...talked to Verizon today. I can transfer my mother-in-law's upgrade to my line and upgrade for $200. One of my buddies wants my Eris for his wife for $150. So for $50 I should be getting an X soon!
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Even with a locked bootloader you can still change the boot logo and the boot animation.
But you cannot change the kernel. Is it that big of deal? Well it means all of the great roms - Cyanogen, Bugles Beast, etc, will never run on the X because they all use a custom kernel.
Oh- and you can never run even a simple AOSP rom - just plain old stock android - because of the motorola kernel. You can run a pretty good imitation of the stock android rom - but it is till just that - an imitation.
It also means that when verizon wireless and motorola abandon the X project (whenever that is) that we will no longer be able to update our OS. We could get stuck on 2.3 gingerbread while the Droid 1 is running 3.5 Lemon Meringue- bc the Droid 1 bootloader is unlocked.
Not really a big deal though to me. I am just going to buy a new phone. And it will not be a motorola. I love my X. But I want to do what I want to do. Just me though.
Coming from the HTC Eris, I can say that I feel the pain but I'm pretty sure the bootloader will one day be unlocked. It only takes one disgruntled Moto employee to slip it and there are no limitations from there. It took several months for the Eris to get an unlocked bootloader. In fact, we thought we'd never even get rooted. It's an EOL phone that never received an official 2.2 OTA. Thanks to the developers, it has vanilla and sense 2.2 roms.
My biggest complaint with the Eris is the physical hardware limitations. The X dominates it so I think I'll be happy on a stock kernel until the bootloader is unlocked.
...should be arriving Tuesday.
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I just came from an Eris myself last week. The things you're used to with the Eris are a little more difficult on the X, but once you get in the swing of it, you get used to it. Also, go with the Certified pre-owned. I got it for $150 and it looks brand new, you literally cannot tell. It's worth the extra $50 off. I sold my Eris on eBay for $162.50 so it was nice getting paid to get a new DX lol. You won't regret switching!
My Droid X came in 2 days ago. I rooted it last night. I'm going to keep the stock rom until I've had enough time to get the feel for the X. I kinda like the Moto Blur. Any rom suggestions? Something semi stock with Blur, only deodexed and OC'ed.
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Any rom suggestions? Something semi stock with Blur, only deodexed and OC'ed.
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rubiX blurry 1.5.2 is a good ROM, leaves the blur in tact but slims it down and speeds it up. I don't beleive there are any kernal tweaks in it though, so you may get jrummy's oc app
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rubiX blurry 1.5.2 is a good ROM, leaves the blur in tact but slims it down and speeds it up. I don't beleive there are any kernal tweaks in it though, so you may get jrummy's oc app
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That's the one I used. Then I updated it to 1.6.3 and themed it with the black and green juice theme. So far I'm happy with it. Idk why he changed the build to read that it's 2.2.1. Scared me at first. I thought I had accidentally flashed a leaked rom....I'm starting to learn my way around the DX.
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Getting ready to make the move from running and modding Windows Mobile phones for the last 6 years to give the android phones a try.
Was at store playing around this past weekend and down to two phones. I love the Droid 2 feel, slideout qwerty, but hated the motorolla interface. Also looked at the HTC incredible which I loved the interface but really missed the slider qwerty, and it has a slower processor.
I know if it was a windown mobile phone I could flash out a new ROM cooked with the HTC interface and have the phone I want, but been looking around the flash ROM's here and not seeing any cooked like that. So just looking for opinions/suggestions or links if I am just not finding what I am looking for.
There are currently no ROMS for the Droid 2 that have the Sense UI (HTC's interface). You can get close using a mixture of ADW.Launcher, WidgetLocker, and Fancy Widget Pro along with some other apps/widgets.
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There are currently no ROMS for the Droid 2 that have the Sense UI (HTC's interface). You can get close using a mixture of ADW.Launcher, WidgetLocker, and Fancy Widget Pro along with some other apps/widgets.
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Feeling like a fish out of water trying to get my head around all the differences coming from Winmo for so long.
Should it be possible to get the Sense UI and no one has yet done it, or are there reasons why it hasn't been done (is it open sourced)? I am not afraid to get the phone and dive into figuring out ROM cooking an Android phone. Just trying to get some idea because while I really like the feel and specs of the Droid 2, that Sense UI was just so far superior (probably helps that it was much more similar to the ROM I am running on my HTC Fuze WinMo phone for the last 2 years)
Sense is not open source. Besides most folks usually want to remove the proprietary junk and move the ORMs closer to the AOSP as that's a lot easier to modify and customize to one's liking.
Your best bet is to use free/cheap programs and widgets, as originally advised by Spitemare, to duplicate the look and feel as much as possible.
Wait for the htc merge.
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Wait for the htc merge.
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LOL, if there is one thing I have learned from having various smart phones for the last 6 years it is this. The perfect phone is always just around the corner, best to just pick from phones available now
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LOL, if there is one thing I have learned from having various smart phones for the last 6 years it is this. The perfect phone is always just around the corner, best to just pick from phones available now
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lol, too true, man. droid 2's got nice hardware and it's pretty cheap compared to the other offerings. with fission on it you're back to almost aosp. runs really nicely. it's possible that we'll get a sense port but don't count on it.
plus, as 'freeness' goes, the d2 (and x, and d2g, and milestone, etc) are all locked pretty tight. no custom bootloaders, recoveries, etc. so you might go with the dinc just for that reason if it's important to you.
Well the reason he said it is because the HTC merge will have a QWERTY keyboard and HTC Sense.
Other than that, you could always get a Droid 2 and put LauncherPro on it to run like HTC Sense.
The best home replacement is ahome... it cost 5 bucks but it makes the phones home screen sooo smooth its ridiculous.
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Not really relevant at all but I glanced at the thread title and read "Making love to Android" LOL four hours of sleep doesn't help anything.
Just ordered my DX on Ebay to replace my slowly deteriorating, yet faithful, Droid Incredible.
I am trying my best to read through the threads here, but there is a lot to take in (though development does seem to lag considerably behind the Inc). My plan is to stay stock for a few days to see what it is like, and then I will root and have fun. I have used at least 30 ROMS across five different devices, so flashing and rooting is not new to me.
If anyone is willing to distill some information for me, it would be much appreciated. Here are my questions...
1) Are there any reasons not to root the DX? What I mean is, are there any known pitfalls such as hardware failure that are known to be linked to rooting with the DX. I know of the implied dangers with regard to bricking.
2) Are there any others who have come from the Incredible? I have run every ROM available for that phone, and I think MIUI and SkyRaider were my favorites. I liked the Sense 3.0 stuff, but it was fairly unstable (not to mention the DX doesn't have Sense anyway). Any recommendations here for ROMs that are similar in flavor?
3)WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT BLUR?? I put this in caps because there seems to be a lot of hate on this motoblur skin for android, and many people adamantly demand ROMs to be de-blurred. What's so bad about it? How does it compare to Sense? I guess from what I've seen on video comparisons it doesn't seem all that bad.
Anything else I should know about this device before I get started on it? Anything I should definitely do or NOT do as far as modding is concerned?
Thanks!
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Just ordered my DX on Ebay to replace my slowly deteriorating, yet faithful, Droid Incredible.
I am trying my best to read through the threads here, but there is a lot to take in (though development does seem to lag considerably behind the Inc). My plan is to stay stock for a few days to see what it is like, and then I will root and have fun. I have used at least 30 ROMS across five different devices, so flashing and rooting is not new to me.
If anyone is willing to distill some information for me, it would be much appreciated. Here are my questions...
1) Are there any reasons not to root the DX? What I mean is, are there any known pitfalls such as hardware failure that are known to be linked to rooting with the DX. I know of the implied dangers with regard to bricking.
2) Are there any others who have come from the Incredible? I have run every ROM available for that phone, and I think MIUI and SkyRaider were my favorites. I liked the Sense 3.0 stuff, but it was fairly unstable (not to mention the DX doesn't have Sense anyway). Any recommendations here for ROMs that are similar in flavor?
3)WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT BLUR?? I put this in caps because there seems to be a lot of hate on this motoblur skin for android, and many people adamantly demand ROMs to be de-blurred. What's so bad about it? How does it compare to Sense? I guess from what I've seen on video comparisons it doesn't seem all that bad.
Anything else I should know about this device before I get started on it? Anything I should definitely do or NOT do as far as modding is concerned?
Thanks!
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Welcome to the Droid X community!
In your experiences here you will learn that the Incredible and the Droid X have many differences.
To answer your queries:
1. There are no hardware pitfalls when rooting a Droid X, and our device is virtually brick proof.
2. My personal favorite rom for the Droid X is MIUI, but there are many popular roms. DarkslideX is a stock based rom that is absolute in speed and battery life (giving over fifteen hours).
3. Sense is better than blur in nearly every aspect. Blur slows the phone down incredibly, you won't experience the full capability of your Droid X using blur.
Some things you should know:
1. What a sbf file is. It is what makes this device virtually unbrickable, it will return you to pure stock with only several clicks. Also, SBFing to Froyo is required when flashing roms such as MIUI and CyanogenMod.
2. Don't ever use Droid X Bootstrap. When flashing from Froyo to any Gingerbread rom you must use Droid 2 Bootstrapper or you will have to reSBF your phone.
I'll report back if I think of anything else, good luck! =D
(I'll try to post links to important things later, also)
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infazzdar said:
Welcome to the Droid X community!
In your experiences here you will learn that the Incredible and the Droid X have many differences.
To answer your queries:
1. There are no hardware pitfalls when rooting a Droid X, and our device is virtually brick proof.
2. My personal favorite rom for the Droid X is MIUI, but there are many popular roms. DarkslideX is a stock based rom that is absolute in speed and battery life (giving over fifteen hours).
3. Sense is better than blur in nearly every aspect. Blur slows the phone down incredibly, you won't experience the full capability of your Droid X using blur.
Some things you should know:
1. What a sbf file is. It is what makes this device virtually unbrickable, it will return you to pure stock with only several clicks. Also, SBFing to Froyo is required when flashing roms such as MIUI and CyanogenMod.
2. Don't ever use Droid X Bootstrap. When flashing from Froyo to any Gingerbread rom you must use Droid 2 Bootstrapper or you will have to reSBF your phone.
I'll report back if I think of anything else, good luck! =D
(I'll try to post links to important things later, also)
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Fantastic! This is the kind of information I am fishing for. Thanks a million. I am mashing the 'Thanks' button.....
Also, do you have any real problems with MIUI on the DX? Any annoyances (like haptic not working, etc)?
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Fantastic! This is the kind of information I am fishing for. Thanks a million. I am mashing the 'Thanks' button.....
Also, do you have any real problems with MIUI on the DX? Any annoyances (like haptic not working, etc)?
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Personally, I don't have issues whatsoever. All I can say is to try it out =D
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Now have an X2 also. Which to keep??
Through an odd set of circumstances, I have now acquired an X2 in addition to an original X. Love the screen on the X2, and the CPu & GPU, but seems like the X might still be the better choice given that it is further along the development cycle. Seems the X2 may never get there because I can't tell that very many great devs are working on it. Could be wrong though. Any thoughts on which phone I should keep?? Have to sell one of them in the next couple of weeks to recoup some costs.
I have a chance to get a Droid X in "mint" condition today for about $75 and I'm considering it, but I wanted to ask a few basic questions that I wanted to just consolidate into one post instead of dropping questions all over the place in various threads. I did spend a few hours doing thread research and reading here and HowardForums and the Rootzwiki (and Cyanogenmod as well) so here goes:
- I'm assuming the bootloader is still locked on the Droid X as I see/saw threads with people doing a petition (like that's gonna change anything), so what exactly does that mean for the Droid X overall - I see some custom ROMs available so I'm confused: I thought having a locked bootloader meant you couldn't have custom ROMs or, are they all running from the microSD card?
- for anyone that bought a Droid X and used the stock ROM(s) from Verizon, does using a custom ROM (if you do so) help the battery life at all, and to what degree (and how bad/good is/was the stock ROM battery life anyway?)?
- I saw mention of ICS in several instances, and also along with some ROMs but, there doesn't seem to be a full fledged ICS ROM available (or is Liberty just such a thing?) so, are the chances high that ICS will never be fully fleshed out for the Droid X? I think I saw mention that there's "some" ROM now with ICS features but isn't the full fledged build, and that the camera doesn't work at all... just hoping for clarification on this. If it's an issue of "at some point we'll have ICS working proper, completely" then I suppose it's worth taking a chance now.
- Last question: would people think that $75 for a Droid X in near "mint" condition (seller's comment, haven't actually held it in my hand yet), a memory card (unknown size but most likely the stock 2GB card), and the charger/USB card is a somewhat decent deal? I've gone through several HD2's over the years and run all sorts of OSes on it, and while it arguably is the best damned enthusiast phone ever created, I am currently on the lookout for something different - can't afford a brand new dual core monster phone (I really want that Samsung Galaxy Note but it'll probably never happen).
While the Droid X is getting older, it seems like it's still a somewhat useful device overall so I'm really leaning towards getting this.
Any advice, info, or suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Edit: the X came with a 16gb [not 2]card, btw...so make sure to ask for that if you can.
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I have a chance to get a Droid X in "mint" condition today for about $75 and I'm considering it, but I wanted to ask a few basic questions that I wanted to just consolidate into one post instead of dropping questions all over the place in various threads. I did spend a few hours doing thread research and reading here and HowardForums and the Rootzwiki (and Cyanogenmod as well) so here goes:
- I'm assuming the bootloader is still locked on the Droid X as I see/saw threads with people doing a petition (like that's gonna change anything), so what exactly does that mean for the Droid X overall - I see some custom ROMs available so I'm confused: I thought having a locked bootloader meant you couldn't have custom ROMs or, are they all running from the microSD card?
- for anyone that bought a Droid X and used the stock ROM(s) from Verizon, does using a custom ROM (if you do so) help the battery life at all, and to what degree (and how bad/good is/was the stock ROM battery life anyway?)?
- I saw mention of ICS in several instances, and also along with some ROMs but, there doesn't seem to be a full fledged ICS ROM available (or is Liberty just such a thing?) so, are the chances high that ICS will never be fully fleshed out for the Droid X? I think I saw mention that there's "some" ROM now with ICS features but isn't the full fledged build, and that the camera doesn't work at all... just hoping for clarification on this. If it's an issue of "at some point we'll have ICS working proper, completely" then I suppose it's worth taking a chance now.
- Last question: would people think that $75 for a Droid X in near "mint" condition (seller's comment, haven't actually held it in my hand yet), a memory card (unknown size but most likely the stock 2GB card), and the charger/USB card is a somewhat decent deal? I've gone through several HD2's over the years and run all sorts of OSes on it, and while it arguably is the best damned enthusiast phone ever created, I am currently on the lookout for something different - can't afford a brand new dual core monster phone (I really want that Samsung Galaxy Note but it'll probably never happen).
While the Droid X is getting older, it seems like it's still a somewhat useful device overall so I'm really leaning towards getting this.
Any advice, info, or suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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A locked bootloader means no custom kernels...
But with the 2nd-init this means next to nothing that is negative for us.
We can run CM7, MIUI, and ICS.
These are 2nd-init roms that don't use any of Motorola's framework.
EncounterICS is definitely a daily driver rom...if you don't mind missing out on your camera.
This is the stock ICS experience.
Cm7 is fantastic.
Everything works.
Miui is fantastic.
Everything works.
Liberty and the other roms are 1st-init...meaning they use blur framework...and varying amounts of blur features...depending on the rom.
Battery?
On 2nd-init...we're at about stock levels.
1st-init may get slightly better than stock.
The X gets pretty darn decent battery life anyway...I wouldn't worry about it.
Our ICS ports might not have a working camera for quite some time...
But I'm sure they'll get there.
Is it a good buy?
I'd say yes.
The X has these features missing from the current top-tier phones...
4G
NFC
Front facing camera
Dual core.
We can even spoof the market into letting us download dual core games...
And overclock and use Chainfire3D to run said games.
It's a surprisingly nice phone...
If we had an unlocked bootloader...we'd have a fully functional ICS already.
But that's something for the devs to work on...and it really has no effect on us aside from a longer wait.
Check my sig for DX specific rom/root/tuts if you end up getting it.
Sorry for jumping all over the place...writing this on my phone!
Came with 16GB originally, really? Damn that would be nice, but I won't find out till later today when I meet to get my hands on it. That would be awesome if it was one of the original ones but, I don't want to get my hopes up for it. Hell, Fry's carries 16GB microSD cards under $20 most every day now so it's not like it'll be a lot of money to get one.
No worries about the jumping all over the place - I've been online since 1977 (seriously, at a whopping 50 baud!) so I can keep up with disjointed thoughts and whatever.
As for the "missing features" on top tier phones, none of those are relevant to me at all, as weird as that might sound. I'm in Las Vegas and we're fairly blanketed here for 4G coverage but, I think that kind of speed (when it works) for cell/smart phones is still just a gimmick but that's just me.
So a solid CM7 ROM might be the best for me to get started I suppose. The owner texted me earlier to set the meeting time (another few hours) and confirmed she did reset the phone to factory condition which iirc means it's at the Android screen which means it's waiting to be activated - can you or anyone else confirm that the old 4-corner trick will bypass that activation so I can get into it and verify everything works? I probably won't bother with the actual activation anytime soon unless I find some good local pricing here in my area, but being able to demo the phone and make sure everything works is an absolute must.
And thanks for the response, the info was very helpful.
I'd agree with ya there.
We've yet to get 4G in my area...but even connecting to WiFi loading web pages takes about the same time...not like I'm downloading 3gig torrents on my phone.
But yes, 4-corners works.
Edit: Do an esn check too.
I think there are online tools to do so.
Or possibly calling Verizon if need be.
Calling ##program will bring I believe...or check behind the battery.
(I'm actually on a loaner right now...getting my phone repaired through Best Buy...so I can't verify this.)
So I got the Droid X, it's in great condition but certainly not "mint" (people always say that and I don't think most know what mint actually implies - it should practically untouched by human hands).
Anyway, that CheckESNFree.com site says this one is clean and ready for activation so that's a plus, if that site is dependable of course. Always have to worry that someone would be creating a database of ESNs/ESIDs/IMEIs for some dastardly and nefarious purposes!!!
It's definitely a LOT snappier than my HD2 (listed in my sig) but it's also a slightly better internal architecture than the HD2 was, of course. Everything seems to function fine, not sure where to start so I'll much with it for the evening and see what gives. Came with a very tiny HTC 5V USB adapter, the original Motorola USB cable, and a separate USB charger as well.
Oh, and it does have the 16GB microSD card in it too.
I'm the admin/founder/owner of CheckESNFree.com
I can assure you that we do NOT log/store/record ESNs in any way shape or form.
We process roughly 14,000 ESNs per day, and we have a huge following of supporters, including places such as ReCellular, Gazelle, and FastLaneWireless.
In my recent mental debate over the EVO 4G LTE vs. the Nexus, I've pondered the differences between stock ICS (pure/vanilla/etc) and the ICS we will see on the One series by HTC, including our very own EVO sequel. From the few screenshots I've seen of the One X, it does not remotely resemble the ICS I've learned to know and love with the work our devs our doing to bring the latest and greatest to the OG. Examples include the lockscreen (the Sense ring appears to still be the default one - is there an option to go straight ICS for the lockscreen?), the dock (I'm sure I can switch the launcher to fix this issue...), the notifications pulldown (I've actually not seen the Sense one yet, but I've heard various things indicating it is different from the one I'm no accustomed to), etc. Heck, even the color of the battery meter is green instead of blue!
Does anyone know or at least have an idea if we can change some of those things without rooting our devices? Having a brand new device, I don't plan on needing to root (or at least install custom ROMs, that is) for a while. But I am already missing the slick new interface Google has provided. While many claim that Sense 4.0 is going for the minimalistic approach to the latest iteration of their infamous skin, why do I feel like they have completely altered a widely praised operating system that has barely rolled out? I'm a little saddened when I see the video of the EVO 4G LTE and feel like the look of everything is dated.
But then I look at the hardware, think about the devs who'll inevitably move to this phone, and that excites me about the possibilities. I guess I'm more curious than disappointed, but I was wondering others' feelings on this topic.
Long answer short, you'll get aosp, miui and sense on the HTC which is nice if you get bored and want something different.
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Long answer short, you'll get aosp, miui and sense on the HTC which is nice if you get bored and want something different.
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Can you make your short answer slightly longer? Haha how would I get AOSP and MIUI on the EVO LTE? You mean one devs get to work on it? Or stock?
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Can you make your short answer slightly longer? Haha how would I get AOSP and MIUI on the EVO LTE? You mean one devs get to work on it? Or stock?
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Right. Not stock, would have to be rooted. My bad. The devs will be all over that phone anyway so it will be a blast
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It's a *good* thing the phone comes with Sense, its one more option you have, and Sense does add some useful features. Custom rom's will offer all kinds of options including optimized and bloatware free versions of Sense.
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Right. Not stock, would have to be rooted. My bad. The devs will be all over that phone anyway so it will be a blast
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Completely agree. I'm kind of thinking of galaxy nexus, cuz I'm not fond of sense. But, I'm sure in no time we'll be able to rip sense OFF that SOB and put AOKP or some other variant of vanilla ICS.
Then, if you wanna run sense for a few days, that option will still be there. It's win-win.
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If I'm running Sense 4.0, do you think I'll still be able to get the Quad ICS unlock screen, or something like that? I LOVE that lockscreen - way better than the silly ring that Sense creates. I don't understand why they didn't change that from 3.0 and 3.5 to something fresh. Oh, I would assume I have the "unlock with face" option too on this phone? It's been so long since I ran Sense, I forgot if these things are changeable or not!
My only concern with the custom ROMs is whether things will run okay, like camera and such. Also, if you are running AOSP, you'll miss out on the supposedly amazing camera suite that Sense 4.0 provides, right?
Tough choice!!!
Sense 4.0 + ICS ALL DAY!
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I went to tmobile today and toyed with the one s. I will say it isn't the ICS we know from the current development but it is beautiful and sleek. The soft keys are a bit cumbersome but I could get used to it. I am in no way drawn away from the evo lte and am more than anxious to own that device!
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I went to tmobile today and toyed with the one s. I will say it isn't the ICS we know from the current development but it is beautiful and sleek. The soft keys are a bit cumbersome but I could get used to it. I am in no way drawn away from the evo lte and am more than anxious to own that device!
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That's awesome, especially considering the One S is inferior to our EVO we're getting...
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Well I will answer my own question at this moment, because I stopped into a T-Mobile and played with the One-S for about 10 minutes. It appears that ICS as we know it is VERY coated by Sense, but not necessarily in a bad way. It is still beautiful, just very different. I noticed that there were no quick settings in the notifications menu, which is one thing I was very curious about. But overall, really nice and REALLY amazing! Considering that is the crappy version of our EVOs, I cannot wait for this thing. The One-S screen was awesome, and I know it can't touch the screen (both size and resolution-wise) of our new toy coming out. But the UI was terrifically smooth, the feel was nice (physically), and Sense was overall not intrusive. It was just omnipresent. I'm not disappointed at all - and I know the devs will give us amazing options in terms of removing Sense, or tweaking Sense to give us cool features like quick settings and slide to change brightness.
I can't wait until the One-X is out so that I can play with that one, since it will give a much more accurate portrayal of our experience we can expect. May 18th can't get here soon enough!
I'm posting this everywhere . Its a post by toastcfh over in the oneX forums about how much HTC locked the phone down. Among many things, it is impossible to mount SD from recovery due to their locking, even with custom recovery and HTC dev unlock. If toast says it, it is so, I mean, the guy is an Android/Linux GENIUS. he's the one that had the Evo root method instructions posted before launch day.
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no, USB mount does not work in recovery. It appears to be locked out in recovery mode. the workarounds to get it working are one of two things.
(1) fastboot boot awesomeRecovery.img (this works because fastboot then boots recovery on the boot/temporary partition. So the you're not actually in recovery mode
(2) Offmode (this works because again you're again not technically in recovery mode. It uses the recovery ramdisk, kernel, and binaries but its still not technically recovery.
On that note I've seen suggestions that it's possibly a recovery issue with cwm and twrp. Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be the case. If it were then in CWM u wouldn't have usb when u fastboot boot the recovery or in offmode (fair assumption since both these options use the same kernel, ramdisk and binaries as recovery?). Can it be fix? Not that i know of. It looks to me like a total radio or bootloader lockout from using USB in recovery. Which means on a radio or bootloader level USB is disabled in recovery mode.
On that note I think we should raise the point to HTC that this locking down of the device does not suite our needs.Key points of fail would be as follows.
(1) Can NOT flash the boot partition from recovery. I've personally contacted HTC on this numerous times and they seem to just not care. Responding with "It's a security issue" and so forth. I would love to know how this is a security issue of any sort. Every other Android device has this ability except HTC devices since they started the HTC unlock ordeal. It's utter fail IMHO and HTC should listen to our needs .
(2) Can NOT flash recovery or boot partitions from system. This issue is NOT a deal breaker and isn't so bad when it comes down to the nitty gritty. But since the issue above exists, flashing with applications like htc dumlock and such were our only options. These work around apps cant be used to flash now because of the lockpout from system and it wouldn't be such an issue if HTC didnt lock us out in recovery from flashing boot.
(3) Can NOT flash P*IMG.zips in hboot/bootloader anymore. For the unlocked device running a custom firmware this is a must. Specially when radio updates and such are needed from the OEM. We seen a big use of this on the Sensation when HTC updated the device from Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich. The update required new hboots, radios, and partitioning to actually use. So in that instead of having to flash a RUU Which didn't exist the only choice was to flash a custom P*IMG.zip that included all the radios and images need to run the builds. At this point we can't update those image/partitions without flashing an RUU. This makes no since and doesn't seem to do anything but make things more difficult on the unlocker to customize and modify their device.
(4) If all the conditions above HAVE to exist. Then why not give us documentation or utilities to flash fimware.zips from recovery like HTC does? When HTC was the proud Nexus device there was full support and documentation available on how to flash firmware on their devices. This made anyone choosing an HTC device blessed with knowing that their device was not only open and unlocked, but when flashing firmware that it was being flashed correctly to Google and HTC's standards. This code has now been moved out of recovery since right before the move to edify scripting and moved to vendor/htc/ (not arguing this choice as thats where it belongs from a maintaining point of view). But the problem is that vendor/htc is proprietary now. Which means Documentation and support for flashing firmware correctly is not available and left to developers of recoveries for the community to figure out. One would think if HTC was standing behind us that they would step up and give us a PROPER/OPEN/REAL unlock, or if they cant for the lame excuse of security concerns, then give us the documentation and utilities to flash the boot and firmware partitions properly. I mean really... what is there to lose there?
(5) WHAT WAS THE POINT OF HTC UNLOCK? I was to reach out and except us as a community. It was to keep us from having to exploit their firmware and look for holes to gain control of a device we rightfully own. WHAT DID HTC UNLOCK DO? It unlocked the devices at first and with each new revision of the unlock it gets more locked down and harder for us to use it as intended. WHAT DOES THAT LEAD TO? It leads to us hoping someone will take the time out of their life and exploit HTC's firmware so we can have access and control of our devices. I mean, it's bad when u have people poking a device with a paperclip to get a device unlocked to avoid a official unlock.
Bottom line; I'm personally fed up with HTC's unlock. It's absolute crap! It does not serve the purpose it was intended and only makes things harder then they were before. As a devoted HTC customer it has me questioning if my next device will be an HTC. With all the other options that would allow me to spend less time trying to gain proper access to my device and more time actually having fun with it, why choose HTC? Everyone else is shying away for these same issues. Everyone with an HTC unlocked device waits for someone to exploit HTC's firmware and give them a proper unlock. Why not just choose a device without the locked down/unlock instead? IDK but HTC needs to step up and listen to us. Every HTC forum with an HTC Unlock is screaming for these issues to be fixed.
My call to HTC is to fix these issue and/or give us proper documentation on flashing firmware to our devices via custom recoveries. The boot flashing lockout is dumb, pointless, and in NO WAY a security threat AT ALL and is nothing more then a CRAP RESPONSE to something that they sould be working to correct, instead of ignoring. In the end its hurting HTC's relations with developers and is ultimately doing the opposite of what it's original intent.
HTC, PLEASE READ AND LISTEN!!!11ONEone
To everyone else, SPREAD THE WORD!!!ONEone
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There has to be a way to petition HTC. Reading this is making me lean galaxy Nexus, ...and I F$%kin HATE Samsung.
Edit: this post is from the One X forum TWRP topic.
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No way I'm buying a Samsung phone.
I'll trust that someone will figure out how to get around the issue at some point. I love how the phone is stock anyway.
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In my recent mental debate over the EVO 4G LTE vs. the Nexus, I've pondered the differences between stock ICS (pure/vanilla/etc) and the ICS we will see on the One series by HTC, including our very own EVO sequel. From the few screenshots I've seen of the One X, it does not remotely resemble the ICS I've learned to know and love with the work our devs our doing to bring the latest and greatest to the OG. Examples include the lockscreen (the Sense ring appears to still be the default one - is there an option to go straight ICS for the lockscreen?), the dock (I'm sure I can switch the launcher to fix this issue...), the notifications pulldown (I've actually not seen the Sense one yet, but I've heard various things indicating it is different from the one I'm no accustomed to), etc. Heck, even the color of the battery meter is green instead of blue!
Does anyone know or at least have an idea if we can change some of those things without rooting our devices? Having a brand new device, I don't plan on needing to root (or at least install custom ROMs, that is) for a while. But I am already missing the slick new interface Google has provided. While many claim that Sense 4.0 is going for the minimalistic approach to the latest iteration of their infamous skin, why do I feel like they have completely altered a widely praised operating system that has barely rolled out? I'm a little saddened when I see the video of the EVO 4G LTE and feel like the look of everything is dated.
But then I look at the hardware, think about the devs who'll inevitably move to this phone, and that excites me about the possibilities. I guess I'm more curious than disappointed, but I was wondering others' feelings on this topic.
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There IS PLENTY of apps on the play store that offer home screen and lock screen customization, such as launcherpro, milocker, gosms, as far as changing the status bar and battery bar i'm not so sure, i haven't been on a phone with s-on in a while and can't tell you what rootless tweaks would work