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A parting shot here
A great forum, learned a lot, some very clever and helpful people here ( and some prima donnas)..but what I found out is while using a Windows device I was spending countless hours updating Roms, making stupid pointless cosmetic changes to my HD2 (usually resulting in making UI more ugly and messy - some theme designers here seem to have been on crack when creating themes - others very good), when in reality I was craving for a good selection of valuable everyday apps that are logical and simple to use.
Enter Android...Since buying a Motorola Milestone I am now using the phone only when I need - as opposed to constantly tampering, I have downloaded all apps I need, layout looks good off the shelf - a simple wallpaper change is enough, finger friendly, good hardware and away I go.
Looking back I don't understand why I got a WM device and really don't know why you guys are sticking to this dinosaur.
Over and out.
Isn't that fun?
Making slight changes to your phone WHEN you feel like it?
If that's what you're using the Android for, why not get an iPhone?
And btw, I like dinosaurs.
What is a phone supposed to be used for - to analyse the Hadron Collider?
Haha. that's funny.
But back on topic, you say what is a phone supposed to be used for? isn't it for communicating with others? via Phone calls, SMS, MMS, e-mail, social networking sites, forums on the internet, etc?
This phone does it all well, and excel in some areas like internet.
So, what.
rickyoon.vegas said:
Isn't that fun?
Making slight changes to your phone WHEN you feel like it?
If that's what you're using the Android for, why not get an iPhone?
And btw, I like dinosaurs.
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me like dinos too.
rickyoon.vegas said:
Haha. that's funny.
But back on topic, you say what is a phone supposed to be used for? isn't it for communicating with others? via Phone calls, SMS, MMS, e-mail, social networking sites, forums on the internet, etc?
This phone does it all well, and excel in some areas like internet.
So, what.
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Just saying, try Android you will not regret it.
This REALLY is the last post .
I had G1 when it first came out, and recently-ish had Droid Eris.
They were ok, in my opinion.
hawrai68 said:
A parting shot here
A great forum, learned a lot, some very clever and helpful people here ( and some prima donnas)..but what I found out is while using a Windows device I was spending countless hours updating Roms, making stupid pointless cosmetic changes to my HD2 (usually resulting in making UI more ugly and messy - some theme designers here seem to have been on crack when creating themes - others very good), when in reality I was craving for a good selection of valuable everyday apps that are logical and simple to use.
Enter Android...Since buying a Motorola Milestone I am now using the phone only when I need - as opposed to constantly tampering, I have downloaded all apps I need, layout looks good off the shelf - a simple wallpaper change is enough, finger friendly, good hardware and away I go.
Looking back I don't understand why I got a WM device and really don't know why you guys are sticking to this dinosaur.
Over and out.
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It's called the HTC Bravo aka Desire and it too is coming to T-Mobile soon.
android is definitely better for a day to day phone. ive only had the hd2 2 days and ive already switched back to my nexus. the hd2 is a beutiful device but wm 6.5 is definitely its worst attribute.
1. you spent a lot of time updating the phone
2. you wasted your own time doing cosmetic changes
therefore
3. the HD2 is a dinosaur.
not a very cogent argument now is it.
I dont play with my phones layout, theme nor small cosmetic changes. I only update the rom from Duttys, so once every 3 weeks or so that takes 20 minutes of my time to do so.
Shoo, and go play with your motorola.
hawrai68 said:
A parting shot here
A great forum, learned a lot, some very clever and helpful people here ( and some prima donnas)..but what I found out is while using a Windows device I was spending countless hours updating Roms, making stupid pointless cosmetic changes to my HD2 (usually resulting in making UI more ugly and messy - some theme designers here seem to have been on crack when creating themes - others very good), when in reality I was craving for a good selection of valuable everyday apps that are logical and simple to use.
Enter Android...Since buying a Motorola Milestone I am now using the phone only when I need - as opposed to constantly tampering, I have downloaded all apps I need, layout looks good off the shelf - a simple wallpaper change is enough, finger friendly, good hardware and away I go.
Looking back I don't understand why I got a WM device and really don't know why you guys are sticking to this dinosaur.
Over and out.
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I have to agree about wasting time with WM 6.5 and with WPS 7 coming out, WM 6.5 is a dinosaur; but It's about self control.
I have a small dog, she's healthy because I don't over feed her, while I'm overweight because I can't control what I eat, but I don't wish to be her in order to be healthy, instead I try to better my self control.
So no, I prefer not to eliminate my ability to choose by getting other phone like iPhone. This is my first custom ROM and I hope to exercise my self control
hawrai68 said:
A parting shot here
A great forum, learned a lot, some very clever and helpful people here ( and some prima donnas)..but what I found out is while using a Windows device I was spending countless hours updating Roms, making stupid pointless cosmetic changes to my HD2 (usually resulting in making UI more ugly and messy - some theme designers here seem to have been on crack when creating themes - others very good), when in reality I was craving for a good selection of valuable everyday apps that are logical and simple to use.
Enter Android...Since buying a Motorola Milestone I am now using the phone only when I need - as opposed to constantly tampering, I have downloaded all apps I need, layout looks good off the shelf - a simple wallpaper change is enough, finger friendly, good hardware and away I go.
Looking back I don't understand why I got a WM device and really don't know why you guys are sticking to this dinosaur.
Over and out.
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I'm really happy with my WM 6.x device. I tweaked just few essential things and I use my phone when I need it.
Anyway, I'll test Android on my HD2 when someone will port it. That's all...
In reality, you can flash an Android device every day if you really wanted to.
In terms of our Sense/WM devices, if you go by 'official releases' or forget official, lets talk 'big jumps', you'd be flashing maybe roughly three to four times in a year. Once a quarter! (1.4x, 1.6x, 2.1x, Sense 2.5.20x)
It is our -own- choice to jump at every incremental update (OH BOY 23545 IS OUT, GOTTA GET THAT!!!) and we reap the benefits AND suffer the consequences of using this non-final code.
There are plenty of people still running 1.66, their next update? Whenever 2.10 comes out! (Or whenever their carrier decides to screw them with an interim update - think I saw a 1.72GER floating around )
So you tweaked a lot of stuff on your UI and that made you give up on it.
Ok.
My HD2 does not need intensive cosmetic tweaking to the UI. Spooky!
Maybe you're just obsessive compulsive...just saying.
Not one freeze in one month of heavy usage (meaning it runs stuff I half bake...I mean compile and execute on it) and some initial tweaks with Cookie's mod and control panel made it look peachy (btw you folks rock).
As for the process of jumping from premisses to a logic conclusion, even Android can't fix that. So good luck using it. Just don't go declaring something to be an extinct life form when all you have to go on with is: "I tweak and flash a lot". That is more telling of how much you are unable to appreciate and use something then of the intrinsic value and quality of the object you judge.
I'm actually interested in going to WM from Android.
Android doesn't support the things I want to do. Mainly video/audio codec support for most files.
got my Desire on pre order. I love the big screen of the HD2 but ive come to the conclusion that im something, of an app fan. I dont want to move back to an iPhone and Android is something I have experience with.
For me Android offers MORE potential for customization, and by customization I don't mean making the home screen look a bit different but real CORE app functionality. I'm a big texter and on Android I recall a number of SMS apps that one can REPLACE the built-in messaging client with - Chomp, SMS Popup, Handcent...to name a few. These apps offer the facility to quick reply from within any app via a popup window, and also to initiate a text message whilst in, say, Google Maps...and they all have a different look to them.
The only app I can think of that has any similarity to this on Windows Mobile is made by Vito, is ugly as sin, and offers very little other than a clunky looking popup.
This is just one facet of a number of other things I have found Windows Mobile to be deficient in since moving back to it from Android. Just simple things like Twitter clients and IM applications - even from the SAME companies - look, feel and work ten times better on Android.
The fact that the HTC Desire will be receiving support for 720p DivX and video recording sells it to me. I'm positive the younger OS will take advantage of the Snapdragon processor a lot better than WinMo, considering how much more stable the Hero was than our HD2s, despite its sluggish processor.
I'm going to be sad to leave the Windows Mobile world to a degree - I will also be sad that I have no chance of getting more than £300 for my pristine unlocked HD2 despite paying £499 only a few months ago, but fortunately my contract with T-mobile expires on the 5th of April.
The second hand price drop is a lot more severe than I've seen for most other devices and perhaps tells just how much faith people have in the devices future.
mazzarin said:
In reality, you can flash an Android device every day if you really wanted to.
In terms of our Sense/WM devices, if you go by 'official releases' or forget official, lets talk 'big jumps', you'd be flashing maybe roughly three to four times in a year. Once a quarter! (1.4x, 1.6x, 2.1x, Sense 2.5.20x)
It is our -own- choice to jump at every incremental update (OH BOY 23545 IS OUT, GOTTA GET THAT!!!) and we reap the benefits AND suffer the consequences of using this non-final code.
There are plenty of people still running 1.66, their next update? Whenever 2.10 comes out! (Or whenever their carrier decides to screw them with an interim update - think I saw a 1.72GER floating around )
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Agree 100%. Oh, and I am one of the plenty on 1.66
I have been doing quite some tweaking on my HD2 since I got it just before XMas. Most of the times I did it just for the pleasure of playing around with the thing rather with a real usability or aesthetics objective.
When I bought the HD2 knowing that I could "get my hands dirty" was one of the (secondary) point in my decision making.
Most of us people here like to play around with our devices. The problem is if we get carried away (like with many other things in life).
And when one gets carried away - often one of the most effective solutions is quitting altogether. No shame in that (on the contrary - I believe it's a very responsible decision!!).
Those who do not get carried away, let's keep in mind that we *could* - so let us not criticize those who quit.
vince2773 said:
Agree 100%. Oh, and I am one of the plenty on 1.66
I have been doing quite some tweaking on my HD2 since I got it just before XMas. Most of the times I did it just for the pleasure of playing around with the thing rather with a real usability or aesthetics objective.
When I bought the HD2 knowing that I could "get my hands dirty" was one of the (secondary) point in my decision making.
Most of us people here like to play around with our devices. The problem is if we get carried away (like with many other things in life).
And when one gets carried away - often one of the most effective solutions is quitting altogether. No shame in that (on the contrary - I believe it's a very responsible decision!!).
Those who do not get carried away, let's keep in mind that we *could* - so let us not criticize those who quit.
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This is XDA DEVELOPERS FORUM, after all!!
: D
lol.
"I tweaked my phone and now it's ugly, so I got a different one"
Troll++
Well I have tried Android numerous times, and personally, I hate it. It's so ugly that it looks like some china-low budget crap. In the HD2 with it's amazing Sense, I get all that I need for everyday use in a way that I prefer - and the Sense UI is stunning beautiful.
Hi all
Love my Nexus One
being a heavy user of many winmo and android devices feel like the ROM development on this is very dull
any reasons?
I noticed that too, then again...most of the nexus ROMs out are near perfect...and don't require as much hackery as the G1 Roms did...I dunno whatsup with any ports as of yet, but I'm sure things will pick up.
AbsoluteDesignz said:
most of the nexus ROMs out are near perfect...
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This is exactly it. The fact that there aren't constant updates to ROMs is a success I think...it means nothing is horridly broken. This is the first phone I've had in a long time, that I've been so satisfied with, I'm not flashing a new ROM every other day.
We have the latest version of android out there that is accessible by the public or the ROM devs (that they can release).
We aren't trying to backport features because of the above.
The only real (I say real in a non "thanks bro" way) ROM porter we have is without internet (I assume on vacation).
As stated above, most things already work as they should.
While development is slow compared to the G1, also remember that all of our devs also do work on other devices and don't just devote all their android expertise to just one phone.
There isn't any new material to work with. Until Google releases FroYo or new beta updates we're at a stand still.
If you worked in the software world, you would be seeing this as a good thing
chowdarygm said:
Hi all
Love my Nexus One
being a heavy user of many winmo and android devices feel like the ROM development on this is very dull
any reasons?
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Here you go!
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Hope to see some awesome ROMs from you.
Enjoy!
Its a good thing because there are no major bugs in existing ROMs. They only get updated when google or some dev introduces new features...
This is my first phone which is still running stock ROM. With all my earlier devices...something always seemed broken or felt like it lacked something.
When I had Touch.. Touchflo was launched by HTC and all the ROM development was diverted to getting Touchflo on Touch. And with lack of enough RAM, there were always choices to be made on what you want and hence many ROMS
Then I got Diamond. It was good, but again had less RAM than Touch Pro. Again race was to get Touch Pro features in Diamond and again choices had to be made to cramp up things in the limited storage.
Then I got Touch Pro... and within few months, Diamond II and Touch Pro II was launched. Cooks started scrambling to get new touchflo 3d on Diamond and Touch Pro.
Then I got Diamond II, and sure enough HTC continued there trend of backstabbing it's customers and launched HD2 with new touchflo aka Sense. Cooks then started to figure out ways to get Sense UI on diamond II.
So you see, there were always things lacking... which forced cooks to figure out things that HTC should have done for us. HTC's first Touch phone was launched along with iPhone... but touch hasn't received any updates for past 2 years.... and Apple is still supporting iPhone (although no OS4 for them).
N1 on the other hand is Google's responsibility. We have the latest OS and features. There is not enough "to-do" things here.
Regardless of that, our Chefs are doing amazing job at giving us the features which AOSP is still finalizing.
With all due respect to you.. I think it is a bit unfair to say that the chefs aren't doing much.
chowdarygm said:
Hi all
Love my Nexus One
being a heavy user of many winmo and android devices feel like the ROM development on this is very dull
any reasons?
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I'm sorry, we'll get right on it, boss.
It is "slow" because the phone and the ROMs are so damn fast and good already. You can't port 1.5/6 ROMs over because we can't map the buttons without having a 1.5/6 Kernel made for the Nexus One. That is never going to happen.
As well, really? What is slow about the development? We have tons of new apps coming out all the time, the ROMs we have a super fast and super stable. New Kernels every day or two pushing battery life and CPU power even further.
There is tons of development going on. Just because you aren't seeing new ROMs every day doesn't mean a lack of development, it means the ROMs we have are super solid, and development has shifted to making the other aspects better, like apps themselves, and so forth. That is one of the best things about Android, you don't need to flash a new ROM just to get some new apps, like HexiLauncher and what not, all you need to do is install the app, and voila you have a new home/launcher option on your phone.
Or, you don't need to flash a new ROM just to get a new kernel, you can flash the kernel yourself (if you know how to follow simple instructions) that gives you the newest features, and features that mean more to our phones running super fast than a new ROM would mean... actually by ROM I am talking about system.img...
Anyways, if you really think things are just way to slow, then either learn how to do it yourself, make a huge donation to your favorite developer on the basis of them picking up the pace (and by huge, I mean 50k+, so they can quit their day job), or just accept the simple fact that there is a ton of development going on already, you (and many as of late) don't seem to understand enough to realize that kernels and apps are more important, at this point in time, than a ROM update every other day.
LOL another one of these threads curious as to what else can you ask for? All the tweaks that are available and possible for this phone has already been done.
thanks to all those who replied.
i am not blaming any chefs. they are doing a highly respected job and i respect them and their work very much. thanks to all of them
i was just telling that the no.of chefs on this device are very less but maybe the reasons are diff as everyone told
like king personally coz he does experiments like blur and others
personally i like experimenting with diff roms , so only felt little jobless as compared to other devices but happy with almost perfect device.
Now this I would agree with you. The number of ROM devs are a lot less compared to the G1, :-( the phone is fairly new though.. But the ones we have working on the N1 are all great nevertheless .
chowdarygm said:
thanks to all those who replied.
i am not blaming any chefs. they are doing a highly respected job and i respect them and their work very much. thanks to all of them
i was just telling that the no.of chefs on this device are very less but maybe the reasons are diff as everyone told
like king personally coz he does experiments like blur and others
personally i like experimenting with diff roms , so only felt little jobless as compared to other devices but happy with almost perfect device.
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ahh.. so you are suffering from what I call XDA syndrome. It's when you start feeling uncomfortable when you haven't flashed a new ROM in a week. I had that too... back in WinMo days... fortunately N1 has helped and I have resisted so far!
re: above post..
hahahaha... "XDA Syndrome"
Seriously though, Modaco has been gone for awhile. Got stuck cuz of the volcano issue... it's been weeks since he has released even an update!
We are a little spoiled with the N1 I think... on top of that with 2.2 coming out shortly I think a bunch of cooks will be kinda waiting for that to come out before they do any more major tweaking.
The main thing I personally am waiting for is a fully working SenseUI on the N1.... I kinda thought it would materialize much quicker once the DESIRE came out.
arkavat said:
ahh.. so you are suffering from what I call XDA syndrome. It's when you start feeling uncomfortable when you haven't flashed a new ROM in a week. I had that too... back in WinMo days... fortunately N1 has helped and I have resisted so far!
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LOL... i think i have the same problem im feenin for another enom rom but as he stated he was on vacation which i can respect cause im going to Miami soon. I have no complaints to the rom development but i'd love to see more themes like motoblur style X10 style i miss my motoblur theme on my magic
[edit] And before your go saying i should make one myself i tried and it was to difficult for me for some reason.
Coming from winmo myself it was a change not having a dozen or more roms to choose from but in reality looking at it objectively most of the roms are either adding something that came in a newer device or more or less a rehash of what was already done in that they didnt do anything new but they did it in a different way. Not that the latter is a bad thing, the improved layouts people came up with greatly eased, speeded up, reduceded the number of clicks, etc. in getting where you wanted to go and I at least was happy to see them coming down the pipe. As an aside when winmo was as youthful as android is now there was a lot less rom activity than what you see now as best as I can recall back.
arkavat said:
ahh.. so you are suffering from what I call XDA syndrome. It's when you start feeling uncomfortable when you haven't flashed a new ROM in a week. I had that too... back in WinMo days... fortunately N1 has helped and I have resisted so far!
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lol, I had that like 2 weeks ago...kept flashing and flashing and flashing...finally I settled on my highly customized 5.0.5.3, still haven't jumped to 5.0.6 due to wifi issues (and me being suspended until payment next week)
I had 'XDA Syndrome' with my Magic.. I found myself flashing something new (ROM or theme) every week. Now with my Nexus, I have no desire to do so. Like others have already said, I think it's a testament to the stability of the ROMS out there coupled with the fact that 2.1 is already kick ass. We already have the best software on our N1's people. Believe me, once 3.0 or even Froyo comes out we will see an increase in ROM development.
Also, there may not be many devs for the N1 as of now, but many of the absolute best ones have a Nexus so I'm not worried about future development.
Ok so I would like to get a vibrant soon but there are a few things that bother me that I would like to get resolved.
#1 how are the custom ROMS? Can i use Galaxy S and Captivate ROMS or is it specific to the vibrant only?
#2 I really dont like the UI they put on there. I like the stock android OR sense UI. I know sense will probably never make it to the vibrant but how about the stock android? Are there any ROMS right now that offer that? I know how to theme but that would be a lot of changing.
#3 development... I feel like since the Galaxy S will be across the world and many carriers development would be fairly good right? How is it now? What do you think it will be like in the future?
Hey NC!
#1 how are the custom ROMS? Can i use Galaxy S and Captivate ROMS or is it specific to the vibrant only?
There are no ROMs right now. CM6 has two developers working on porting to the Galaxy though.
#2 I really dont like the UI they put on there. I like the stock android OR sense UI. I know sense will probably never make it to the vibrant but how about the stock android? Are there any ROMS right now that offer that? I know how to theme but that would be a lot of changing.
Use ADW or LauncherPro (amazing on this phone)
#3 development... I feel like since the Galaxy S will be across the world and many carriers development would be fairly good right? How is it now? What do you think it will be like in the future?
It will eventually be very good. With the volume sold and ability of this phone, it will eventually have great development. Right now, a lot of developers, especially on here are used to HTC and getting used to Samsung and the differences.
You have to remember, This phone Just came out and the other 2 still haven't.
Plus, this is not an HTC phone.
That being said, development is going strong.
Expect the Flood gates to open soon.
FYI: I use both ADW launcher and Launcher Pro (bothe give me the the stock android experience you seek.
i think the custom roms will start flowing.
about touchwiz, I thought that would be the first thing i removed, but i have actually liked some things about it, but like has already been mentioned, use ADW or whatever launcher you prefer.
I think development witll really start to take off in time.
Thanks for the quick replies. Great answers
I use:
Touch Calendar
ADW launcher
aContacts
stock News & Weather
Klaxon
cubed.
That pretty much gets me around the Yucky TouchFlow. I also rooted and installed Root Explorer to get rid of the bloatware easily.
I was really hesitant, and except for having to tap ever so accurately when correcting text because there's no dpad (I've put a request in to a dev that I like for a soft dpad), I'm very happy.
If you get too much lag because of the slow storage memory, there's a hack for that. I haven't use it yet.
Just took a chance and bought it. Loving the phone but just as I expected, touchwiz is quite annoying. Cant wait to see a 2.2 cyannogen rom
Greets All,
I saw that this phone was out by ATT, and I was curious about it so I went to GSMArena to do a compare, and Aside from it being a 4G phone and a 8MP camera, its nearly the same hardware from what I saw, am I wrong in what I looked at?
I was curious cause I was wondering since everyone says that the desire HD is hardware wise a close match, based on what I saw I think the Inspire could be closer of a match.
Anyone else? Or am I just completely off base?
GPU is better.
Touchscreen has proper multi touch properlly
Android on the inspire is prolly faster smoother and more stable than ours (Note this prolly only comes into play when you flash it with a custom rom). But ours is good enough for daily use.
More RAM
More ROM which is a big plus considering it runs sense
720p recording
More video codec support
the CPU for the inspire is a 2nd gen snapdragon which is supposedly way better than 1st gen, which is what the hd2 uses.
Desire hd and inspire 4g are the same, just that the inspire 4g is a variant of the desire hd for aT&t.
Kailkti said:
GPU is better.
Touchscreen has proper multi touch properlly
Android on the inspire is prolly faster smoother and more stable than ours (Note this prolly only comes into play when you flash it with a custom rom). But ours is good enough for daily use.
More RAM
More ROM which is a big plus considering it runs sense
720p recording
More video codec support
the CPU for the inspire is a 2nd gen snapdragon which is supposedly way better than 1st gen, which is what the hd2 uses.
Desire hd and inspire 4g are the same, just that the inspire 4g is a variant of the desire hd for aT&t.
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he's not asking which is better, only which is a closer match hardware wise to our HD2's.
Angel, I was curious about this too. It seems that the Inspire is just America's version of the DesireHD, but I could be wrong. Didn't get a chance to look closely at specs.
Ah sorry, didn't read all of it and i was also answering the topic of the thread so yeah, I misread.
Well in the end I did say that the inspire 4g is just a variant of the desire hd so in a way I did answer his question.
Well I just read on the main page of XDA they are thinking of merging the Inspire and the DHD into one forum. And since alot of the Androids are being ported based on the DHD, if thats the case then the Inspire should be able to be ported too.
But by specs all three seem to be almost the same with little variation.
Yes the inspire can be ported. But what is there to port that is different from the desire hd, aT&t bloatware?
Actually no, Since I dont have the inspire, I have to rely on people here, if the Inspire runs a non HD version, dont even know what they call it for the inspire, and its not as heavy as the DHD roms, it would mean smoother rom, less battery drain, etc, like we all know the desire is lighter on the battery then the DHD. I'm just thinking if this would have the same features and is just easier on the battery load and not as heavy, Also obviously this being a newer phone, riping the kernel (which I have no idea on how to do) and seeing how that runs since from a quick look it seems to be a HTC kernel. Where this might help? Battery, Wifi, Bluetooth, New Drivers, etc.
At this point its not really about "oooo another rom to play with" I think at this point it should be, lets look at this and see if there is anything that can help stablize our builds, with what I mentioned above, cause as wel all know Android to a good degree is interchangeable with its parts of the OS, where SlowMo wasnt.
Does that make any sense?
AngelDeath said:
Actually no, Since I dont have the inspire, I have to rely on people here, if the Inspire runs a non HD version, dont even know what they call it for the inspire, and its not as heavy as the DHD roms, it would mean smoother rom, less battery drain, etc, like we all know the desire is lighter on the battery then the DHD. I'm just thinking if this would have the same features and is just easier on the battery load and not as heavy, Also obviously this being a newer phone, riping the kernel (which I have no idea on how to do) and seeing how that runs since from a quick look it seems to be a HTC kernel. Where this might help? Battery, Wifi, Bluetooth, New Drivers, etc.
At this point its not really about "oooo another rom to play with" I think at this point it should be, lets look at this and see if there is anything that can help stablize our builds, with what I mentioned above, cause as wel all know Android to a good degree is interchangeable with its parts of the OS, where SlowMo wasnt.
Does that make any sense?
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I would assume the inspire would run pretty much the same software as the desire hd, since the inspire is just the at&t version of desire hd. It'll probably have same kernel and sense version as DHD.
Where you say SlowMo, are you talking about winmo? I thought winmo was just as interchangeable with its parts, if not more, as android. Winmo was a great OS, especially on the HD2... it just wasn't supported anymore shortly after the HD2 was released.
I'd get an inspire if WinMo 6.5 was ported to it...until then I'm looking for a Tellus version of the HD2 when it makes sense to spend the money...WM6.5 rocks...I hate the sens UI and android, and I'm not a fan of WP7 yet so...
Lol...that was my first public post...and about a phone I probably wont get unless someone ports WinMo6.5....lol...I actually came across this thread looking to see if anyone had ported it, which unfortunately I doubt they ever will
It seems to me the more these newer devices advance, the less we really get out of them customization-wise....my Tilt2 does everything I need it to do, and I have way more options to customize it, including the ability to run android...I only run that to show the Android lovers that WinMo is actually better...lol
Besides those times, I run the standard Windows Mobile Today screen, not TF3D...not Sense, nor Titanium...the Old Old WM Today screen but if I didnt want to I could do Sense, TF3D, SPB, Titanium, etc....Android doesnt seem better, it just seems like it gets more attention because it's the new thing...but then again, perhaps it's easier to develop for, I don't know...I'm totally new to this stuff compared to many around here
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Lol...that was my first public post...and about a phone I probably wont get unless someone ports WinMo6.5....lol...I actually came across this thread looking to see if anyone had ported it, which unfortunately I doubt they ever will
It seems to me the more these newer devices advance, the less we really get out of them customization-wise....my Tilt2 does everything I need it to do, and I have way more options to customize it, including the ability to run android...I only run that to show the Android lovers that WinMo is actually better...lol
Besides those times, I run the standard Windows Mobile Today screen, not TF3D...not Sense, nor Titanium...the Old Old WM Today screen but if I didnt want to I could do Sense, TF3D, SPB, Titanium, etc....Android doesnt seem better, it just seems like it gets more attention because it's the new thing...but then again, perhaps it's easier to develop for, I don't know...I'm totally new to this stuff compared to many around here
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sorry, i dont want to offend you, but most parts of your post are nonsense..
You don't need to be sorry, or apologize to me, I'm not offended at all, I'm entitled to like what I like and I'm entitled to my opinion of operating systems...some people like Windows, others, Linux, and even still, Mac...they all have their benefits and none are garbage, although some might say one is or isn't..Chevy wussies argue with Ford Men all the time lol...
I take an honest approach by admitting I'm new, and don't know all of the ins-and-outs of the OS's of devices, I'm not a developer, at all...I'm an end-user, that's it... at the same time, I have my Tilt2 and I have an EVO 4G, I don't like the EVO, would trade it in a heartbeat for a Telstra HD2 and tbh, the only reason I want that is so I can put all of the OS's it can run on it so I can have my choice, and show it off...lol....it's the only device I know of that can run 5 operating systems on it....and sure, that's because the developers who have done the porting on it have done so, and is a statement to how genius they are, and yes, I consider them geniuses, of which for all I know, you are one of, but on the other hand, the HD2 is a windows mobile 6.5 device, that can run 5 operating systems and I don't see any Android devices being able to run any other operating systems.....so.....
Going back to what I said...I have my Tilt2, and use it as my primary device for everything....EVERYTHING....I own an emergency flood restoration construction company and I'm on call 24 hours a day,...the Tilt2 and the Evo 4G are pretty much chained to my hip at all times, and the only time I whip out the Evo is when it's time to stick it on the charger...there's nothing I have noticed about it that's better than my Tilt2....nothing....except maybe the screen size
I do think having the experience of owning each phone with each OS allows me credibility to say one phone does not outperform the other very much, and if one does, it's minimally...but I don't like the Evo, and I don't like the Sense UI, and I don't like the Android today screen any more than I like Sense....as an owner of each device, and a user of each device, I have formed my opinion based on my preference of devices that I own, and my Tilt2 windows mobile kicks ass over my Evo in regards to which device I enjoy using over the other...and that's not nonsense...it's a fact
Anyways, what brought me to this thread was to see the results of the discussion of HD2 Vs Inspire.....I'm up for an upgrade at AT&T, but I don't like the devices they have to offer at this particular time...the Inspire was a possible contender but it's pretty much an Evo...lol, and I've stated how I feel about it....I'm only going to consider the Inspire if someone ports 6.5 to it....what got me to comment here was someone mentioning WinMo as SlowMo.....6.5 is indeed a good OS, it's just unfortunately not continued
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Anyways, what brought me to this thread was to see the results of the discussion of HD2 Vs Inspire.....I'm up for an upgrade at AT&T, but I don't like the devices they have to offer at this particular time...the Inspire was a possible contender but it's pretty much an Evo...lol, and I've stated how I feel about it....I'm only going to consider the Inspire if someone ports 6.5 to it....what got me to comment here was someone mentioning WinMo as SlowMo.....6.5 is indeed a good OS, it's just unfortunately not continued
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HD2 is THE best winmo 6.5 phone, and properly the last one, you can go get a EU version that works on ATT network
I like sliding keyboards...I'm waiting to see what happens with the HTC PRO7...unfortunately, as much as I love my Tilt2 and the OS and UI, I know it will some day come time for me to retire it...and by then, devices like the PRO7 running WP7 and Android will be all thats available and noone is going to port 6.5 for anything...6.5 as far as I'm concerned was just missing the snapdragon processors and LED flashes and stuff that are coming out on the new devices
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I like sliding keyboards...I'm waiting to see what happens with the HTC PRO7...unfortunately, as much as I love my Tilt2 and the OS and UI, I know it will some day come time for me to retire it...and by then, devices like the PRO7 running WP7 and Android will be all thats available and noone is going to port 6.5 for anything...6.5 as far as I'm concerned was just missing the snapdragon processors and LED flashes and stuff that are coming out on the new devices
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True, i agree with you. I've own a tilt2 and this phone model is the Perfect device except its lack of cpu power/low quality camera and the Wmobile OS. If HTC would just release a similar device with the same build quality/design factor, a 4.3 or 4.0 screen, 512ram, Android, 5mpx cam with flash and most importantly retain the same dual speakers + call quality ---> this would be a killer device. The speakers sound and call quality are both the best I've heard on a HTC device.
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I'd get an inspire if WinMo 6.5 was ported to it...until then I'm looking for a Tellus version of the HD2 when it makes sense to spend the money...WM6.5 rocks...I hate the sens UI and android, and I'm not a fan of WP7 yet so...
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Though I don't hate android or Sense, but I would support you on WinMo 6.5 rocks...
I don't know why people are so against it...to me It used to work fine without any problems..
With Sense UI on WinMo and cookie mod...it still is as advanced and functional as any other OS out there and HD2 is the perfect machine to carry it... ofcourse I never used a stock ROM, been using NRGZ rom from day one...
But sad part is no new apps and games are being developed on it anymore and apps on Android, really add functionality to the phone...so it has to die it sad death . But its still better than crapberry OS anyway
Sorry for the offtopic but couldn't resist..
I hate resurrecting an old thread, but I hate even more having too many threads on the same topic.
I visited this thread a number of times prior to making the jump, it's done now though. I've went from a T9193 to the Inspire4g. Darkstone SuperRam was my daily driver as my primary concern in the device is speed. I didn't find any ROMs better.
No regrets, it is a better handset no doubt. If Android has become your daily driver while you were using your Leo, don't fear the switch. Right now mine dual-boots WP7 and SuperRam and I just never used WP7 so the switch was a no-brainer. Right out of the gate with the AT&T bloat and Sense it still feels faster than the Leo running SuperRam. The Gorilla Glass is nice, I always thought that the Leo not having it was one of HTCs biggest mistakes with that handset. The battery life seems worse, but I've gotten so used to garbage battery life (coming from BB) that it really doesn't matter. I have chargers everywhere I go.
All that said, I wouldn't spend the money if you don't have to. It's not staggeringly different. I had to spend the money because my GPS failed. It has since been fixed, but I'm not going back.
Well performance is never where the HD2 shone most brightly, it was the huge unrivaled variety it has, in both android and OSes offered. It has the same variety /functionality, you can get in any other device, even more than some, e.g. samsung galaxy s forums.
To the Vision ROMS Mods,
would you kindly make us a CM7 Sense ROM? A CM7 ROM with or able to take HTC Sense Widgtes?
It is hard, yes, and our mods are hardworking. It is impossible, no, there is no such a thing as impossible when it comes to technology on XDA-Developers.
Hoping and waiting and believing!
This ... would be epic.
It's not impossible, but it's not worth the effort. The Sense widgets require the Sense framework which is closed source. In order to merge the two, you would need to reverse-engineer the Sense framework which is near impossible. So, no, it's not gonna happen.
This has been talked about countless times for years.. if it was possible it would of been achieved by now..
just saying..
on that note, I'd be impressed if I were to log into XDA one and see it a hybred Cm7/Sense ROM
This would be like the yankees and red sox merging to form one entity.
i think every one would love that, it would be great but who knows maybe soon they will, i mean they have sense-ish with vanilla so maybe
If only such a thing was possible... a Sense/CM7 hybrid would be the best ROM ever, hands down
Shame it isn't though, as someone already mentioned, it would involve reverse-engineering Sense since it's closed source, and CM is strictly AOSP
its a extremely difficult task that may not even have a nice reward at the end. Look at how pissed HTC got with the Beautiful widgets looking too much like theirs. My guess is that if a dev did in fact pull this off, it'd be shutdown before most of us could enjoy it...
I actually prefer having to choose between one and the other, since they are so distinct in style. I think some of the "conveniences" of Sense could easily be easily be written into AOSP roms, but in terms of aesthetics and style - I like them being separate.
If a "blend" is what you want, then you should probably give UD a spin, but I'm pretty sure that will fall short of what you seek.
This belongs in the general section. Android has been out since 2008, you don't think someone has already thought about wanting this? And 3 years later it hasn't been accomplished yet? It should already be obvious its not done yet because it's damn near impossible. But hey its not bad to ask for something. Only thing i think would ever be close to this is someone making a stock launcher with beautiful widgets incorperated into it or something hellishly close to
Sense widgets. But besides that, please don't ever, EVER, count on it.
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do it with Sense 3.0 and ill donate a ton, and run around my neighborhood naked! lol
Makes me wonder, what ever happened to sillian?
I've never been a fan of sense, CM is great how it is.
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I'd be impressed if I were to log into XDA one and see it a hybred Cm7/Sense ROM
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actually the senseginger 3.0 rom is almost that, you can disable htc lockscreen in lieu of vanilla lockscreen, it has the nice gingerbread on/off screen animations, I use launcher pro plus with it and everything seems pretty damn snappy... the launcher pro plus widgets are practically direct copies of the htc widgets, and I get to have a 5x5 homescreen... I'm sure once the source drops for the htc gingerbread vision kernel I'll get stellar quadrant scores as I do on virtuous 1.0.2 (2500+ @ 1402Mhz)
no way...if you want sense, use a sense rom.
Sense is teh suck