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[Q] about kernels and devs

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I did search and found nothing:
I had an Inc. before, and traded to the X for the screen, and physical buttons which I like.
However, as we all know the X blows in comparison to the Inc. in terms of development; so I have to ask since I'm trying to decide what to do:
1) Is the kernel responsible for preventing us from things like notification toggles, notification recent apps, etc... ?
2) When Gingerbread/Ice Cream comes out, are we pretty much at moto's will w/o being able to modify the kernel?
3) What are the chances of seeing CM6 on the X specifically? I'd love to see it, but am no longer hopeful I guess
4) I saw that ccvp (or something like that) was able to hijack moto's init. Is this pretty much dead, or is there still work for it?
I don't really care that birdman stopped dev work on the X (he was responsible for a lot, i know) but will tear if more devs switch to other phones.
Any Ideas?
Again, sorry if all this was already covered.
P.S. I have programming, and Java experience so I WAS thinking to start trying to do some sort of cracking on this myself, but too afraid to brick my only phone

dreamersipaq said:
Sorry if this has been asked before, but I did search and found nothing:
I had an Inc. before, and traded to the X for the screen, and physical buttons which I like.
However, as we all know the X blows in comparison to the Inc. in terms of development; so I have to ask since I'm trying to decide what to do:
1) Is the kernel responsible for preventing us from things like notification toggles, notification recent apps, etc... ?
2) When Gingerbread/Ice Cream comes out, are we pretty much at moto's will w/o being able to modify the kernel?
3) What are the chances of seeing CM6 on the X specifically? I'd love to see it, but am no longer hopeful I guess
4) I saw that ccvp (or something like that) was able to hijack moto's init. Is this pretty much dead, or is there still work for it?
I don't really care that birdman stopped dev work on the X (he was responsible for a lot, i know) but will tear if more devs switch to other phones.
Any Ideas?
Again, sorry if all this was already covered.
P.S. I have programming, and Java experience so I WAS thinking to start trying to do some sort of cracking on this myself, but too afraid to brick my only phone
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The inability to boot a custom kernel is the one and only roadblock to full custom ROMs like Cyanogenmod. And while I would never say 'never', I would not count on a hack showing up soon. Just go check in on the Milestone people (same bootloader)
Having said that, I would encourage you to go look at what's being done in the dev subforum. Roms like Tranquility, Apex, Zapx and the early Rubix roms are very solid, but removing much of the blur stuff.
Most recently, Fission & Rubix 1.0 are building just about the entire base from AOSP, using almost none of the motorola blur overhead.
Also, hacks have been recently released to overclock the processor.
All in All,there are certainly some limitations imposed by the kernel situation, but there is also still quite a bit happening.

I'd also like to add that it is virtually impossible to truly brick the DX now since the official OTA 2.2 SBF has been leaked.
The only thing we don't have on the DX is custom kernels. However, with all we do have at our disposal, I don't really care at all. I can fully theme, overclock, use all the root apps, etc...
I don't know whether or not the DX will get Gingerbread. It certainly is a possibility. However, I will be upgrading to the newer device designed for Gingerbread. When I say this, I mean a phone that's display can do 1024 by 720 resolution. Also, many of the top-end upcoming phones are going to have autostereoscopic 3D displays. Did I mention that many Gingerbread phones will have dual-core CPUs and GPUs with graphics which rival the PS3 and xBox 360? Well, they will
Remember, Verizon is going to probably do the same thing they did with the DX. They will let people get the 2-year account renewal price for the best upcoming phone even if you just renewed your 2-year contract this year. If someone renewed their contract with the DX and got it for $199, they will be able to do the same thing in December/January with the top-end Gingerbread phone most likely for $199 too

[Q] Switching from the iPhone 4 to Droid X

Hey everybody, I'm switching to an iPhone 4 to the Droid X within a matter of weeks now. That being said, I am a VERY experience user of iOS and even got Android on my old iTouch. Every iDevice I have owned has been jailbroken and heavily used. However, I believe it is time to switch to the Droid X. It has a much bigger screen, much more speed, and a more reliable network. Now to the good stuff - I have been following several threads on the Droid X about the "ROMS" . I do love the Vanilla Android look and would definetely want to put that on my upcoming Droid X. Does anyone know of a good instruction guide to get that properly set-up and working for noobies? Thanks to everybody, looking forward to making the big switch!

there is a good tutorial over on droidxforums.com for root/roms/backup in the hacks section

Welcome aboard. I too dumped my iPhone 4 after six months and now have the Droid X. I cleared some good resale value, and couldn't be happier. If you haven't sold it yet I would suggest checking out www.wennecorp.com, they were easy to deal with and a legit buyer.

Z4root will get you rooted (free in market) and Rom Manager will get you familiar with roms. You will also need bootstrap recovery to get started flashing. Google it. Steer clear of the leaked 2.2.1 flash for now. There is no full SBF to recover if things go wrong. Once the full SBF is available, it's no big deal. Use Rom Manager to back up before each and every flash. This will save you alot of headache.You will always have something stable to go back to if things go bad, unless you upgrade bootloader. Once you upgrade bootloader, old backups are useless. Another reason to stay away from the leak for now.

thanks for the suggestion bro

Barkleyfan said:
Z4root will get you rooted (free in market) and Rom Manager will get you familiar with roms. You will also need bootstrap recovery to get started flashing. Google it. Steer clear of the leaked 2.2.1 flash for now. There is no full SBF to recover if things go wrong. Once the full SBF is available, it's no big deal. Use Rom Manager to back up before each and every flash. This will save you alot of headache.You will always have something stable to go back to if things go bad, unless you upgrade bootloader. Once you upgrade bootloader, old backups are useless. Another reason to stay away from the leak for now.
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thanks so much for the explanation man. the iphone 4 is pretty simple to hack with the new jailbreaks and such ahah. it will be fun playing witht he droid x tho. thanks again . i will search a bit more

Getting an EVO 4G, where should I start?

So I've been on verizon as long as I can remember, (previous droid and droid X owner), but due to financial issues my family is moving to sprint, which includes me. I'm no stranger to the ROM game, i've flashed more ROMs and done so many nandroid backups i've lost count. So basically what i'm asking is what's the best ROMs for the Evo? I recall seeing something mid-september of the Desire HD rom's, but remember no 4g connectivity and camera, did that ever pan out? And as far as kernel's go anything specific I should be using? And lastly i'm assuming z4root works on the Evo without a hitch? Thanks

I see you're also no stranger to doing no research .
I use MIUI. You should know everything is personal opinion. Try em and see what you like.
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Most people seem to be using CM ROM and others find DMG control or others more stable or whatever. I personally go between MIUI and CM depending on my tastes for the month.
Overall, both are two great ROMs, just find one that suits your taste and customize ability.

as others have stated before its all a matter of opinion i personally like Azrael X for sense and everything works cam 4G and what not for aosp i like CM6.1. kernels is a crapshoot since all phones like different things my phone likes CFS kernels and can be agressively undervolted without a problem some phones won't work with those conditions so you have to see what works for you. And Z4root does not work anymore your best bet will be the long way using the Fresh like pine cones thread or universal root by xhausx if your really lucky you and you get a older HBOOT phone like .97 or lower you can use unrEVOked. Hope you found any of this helpful

I like Cyanogen, personally. It runs really well, and I can live without 4G.

Many people, including me, like the heavily themed myns warm twopointtwo. Try them all see what you like. I will probably switch to cm once 4g is working for it though.

If I were you I'd take a look at all of the different ROM threads and get a feel both for the ROM and the community that supports that ROM. I've used Vaelpak, Fresh, and now I'm on Myn's Warm. I've liked them all but Warm is my absolute favorite.
When going through the threads you can get a real sense for the amount of support for that ROM and how much customization is available. I'd make a list of what's important to you also. Aesthetics is HUGE for me and I want a ROM that looks and feels good. Most AOSP functions look quite clunky to me and I wasn't a big fan of the Sense clock. But between Warm and the various customizations I was able to make it look how I wanted it to.
Be warned that there's thousands of pages to dig through so it's going to just take a lot of sampling on your part to figure out which one really suits you. If you ask 30 people you'll get a different answer each time so take our advice with a grain of salt.
james

Myn's ROM is amazing and it has 4G connectivity. I HIGHLY recommend it.

I'd second what JB said - the fresh like pine cones method works for newer EVO's. I got mine just after the hboot changed and went through about a week and a half of pain in the neck trying to get it rooted, and finally the revised method in that thread worked for me. Then I rooted another EVO using that method - in an hour flat. I would definitely recommend following that method very closely.
As to roms it's personal. I'm running avafroyo v10 and I like it, but I haven't tried a whole bunch of them so take that with a grain of salt. fresh worked pretty smoothly as well, but ava seems a bit faster IMO.

Having a hero and having enjoyed watching the development of Damageless and Flipz's rom, I use a stock rooted conservative rom on the EVO. I like sense (with all it's overhead). Kingx's kernels (with links that are banned on this site) are free and work well with the stock roms. I'm using BFS11 and twelve depending on the week.
So it's a matter of personal preference, and these are mine. Good luck.

there is no bad rom, they are all great, there are lots of fanboys that side with their rom more vocally than others (looking at the myns followers) but you wont go wrong with any, if your in need of 4g stick with a sense based, if 4g isn't a concern try an aosp variant, all roms have their own thread and you can get a great idea of the support behind them and problems that each have, I recommend flashing them all like I have so you get the best first hand experience then find a good kernel to pair with it
I also recommend you make a nandroid backup using amon ra 1.8 recovery to save your rsa keys then using clockwork so you can use rom manager to flash your roms as its super easy and requires little hands on during the process

Check out this site. This dude put alot of work into checking out which ROM's and Kernel's are good. Great site.
http://home.comcast.net/~evobenchers/index.html

Droid X or dinc??

My wife's og Droid took a poop so I bought an Incredible which I'll have in a day or 2. I love my X but am thinking about swapping her to have something new (to me) to play with until I upgrade this summer. Has anyone here had both and prefer one over the other? Decisions decisions....

Droid X all the way. Moto is the way to go, I've expierienced nothing but problems with HTC (all models), not to mention horrible battery life.

I just came from the Dinc a month ago to the X. I have always used HTC devices from the old windows op to their first android to the DInc. I also (as in the post above me) have had issues with the HTC, but, I am brand loyal. I like the development side of HTC over Motorola. THere are MANY more ROMS and custom things available for the HTC devices. That is the one thing I miss. With the Dinc..there are Incredible 2 and S roms available that give you the newer SenseUI. IT IS AMAZING!! along with HTC HUB to download more themes and skins..along with sound sets! It really is amazing, the level of custom things that can be done with HTC devices.
There was talk with HTC and Verizon to be more locked down, however, HTC has agreed to not back root access more difficult..a day after the Thunderbolt was released..it was hacked.
The only reason I went with the Droid X was because of the 29.99 price. I am going back to HTC.
With the Droid X (it appears) everytime you want to go back to stock you have to SBF (which is not a big issue), however, to do that you need access to a computer. THAT IS NOT THE CASE with the Dinc. I have been at work and switched ROMS 5 or 6 times..the back-ups are stored and can easily be re-loaded on the go. The functionality is FAR better than the Motorola in that aspect.
If you are the type to "tinker" constantly with the ROMS and phone, go with HTC, if you are ok with having to have a computer handy to switch out from custom to stock and back..stick with Motorola.
My opinions.
If the HTC SenseUI is not what your looking for..there ARE MANY ROMS that use vanilla and 2.3 operating systems. There are also MIUI ROMS if you want the complete look of the iphone and functionality of android systems.
there really is NO LIMIT to the customization of HTC.
Google "the incredible list"...it is just a brief run down of the custom ROMS and tweaks..about 40 or so..and it is not updated often.
CM7 is my personal favorite ROM for the DInc...ALOT of custom features..
Now technically stuff vs opinion:
I believe the X has more internal storage. Both phones are capable of holding and supporting 32gb memory cards though. Screen size is another difference. The X is 4.3 and the Dinc is 3.7. (I download alot of movies and store them on my SD card so the 4.3 on the X is better). Both have 8mp cameras. The Dinc is a 720p output and does NOT have an HDMI output like the X. However, there are many ROMS that include "TVOut" for the Dinc. Most of the newer ROMS (I could be mistaken, not sure these have been fixed yet) are not capable of running the 720p video, now..ALOT of people were working on getting that fixed.
With the fact the bootoader is unlocked on the Dinc, you can run many different style ROMS that give you the same look and feel of the X. again, the technical differences are still there.
It really comes down to: do you want the true full ability to customize?
EDIT:: Regarding battery life mentioned in the above post. I easily went 24-36 hours with normal use and no need for a charge. Use SETCPU and custom setting to scale cpu by time, battery levels, and screen off and you are good to go.

Well, as much as the X is a better phone... The Incredible, from what I understand, is much easier to modify. Pretty sure the bootloader is unlocked, aswell.
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I answered the dinc side of this topic just a second ago before I came and looked at my "home" section, but I want to add that the DX is better as long as you aren't planning on using a ton of custom roms/kernels.
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Thanks for all the feedback, everyone!
chbennett said:
I answered the dinc side of this topic just a second ago before I came and looked at my "home" section, but I want to add that the DX is better as long as you aren't planning on using a ton of custom roms/kernels.
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Kinda what I was thinking. And yea I had to post in both sections to help weed out the "my phone is better" people.
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[Q] Some basic questions, if you will...

I have a chance to get a Droid X in "mint" condition today for about $75 and I'm considering it, but I wanted to ask a few basic questions that I wanted to just consolidate into one post instead of dropping questions all over the place in various threads. I did spend a few hours doing thread research and reading here and HowardForums and the Rootzwiki (and Cyanogenmod as well) so here goes:
- I'm assuming the bootloader is still locked on the Droid X as I see/saw threads with people doing a petition (like that's gonna change anything), so what exactly does that mean for the Droid X overall - I see some custom ROMs available so I'm confused: I thought having a locked bootloader meant you couldn't have custom ROMs or, are they all running from the microSD card?
- for anyone that bought a Droid X and used the stock ROM(s) from Verizon, does using a custom ROM (if you do so) help the battery life at all, and to what degree (and how bad/good is/was the stock ROM battery life anyway?)?
- I saw mention of ICS in several instances, and also along with some ROMs but, there doesn't seem to be a full fledged ICS ROM available (or is Liberty just such a thing?) so, are the chances high that ICS will never be fully fleshed out for the Droid X? I think I saw mention that there's "some" ROM now with ICS features but isn't the full fledged build, and that the camera doesn't work at all... just hoping for clarification on this. If it's an issue of "at some point we'll have ICS working proper, completely" then I suppose it's worth taking a chance now.
- Last question: would people think that $75 for a Droid X in near "mint" condition (seller's comment, haven't actually held it in my hand yet), a memory card (unknown size but most likely the stock 2GB card), and the charger/USB card is a somewhat decent deal? I've gone through several HD2's over the years and run all sorts of OSes on it, and while it arguably is the best damned enthusiast phone ever created, I am currently on the lookout for something different - can't afford a brand new dual core monster phone (I really want that Samsung Galaxy Note but it'll probably never happen).
While the Droid X is getting older, it seems like it's still a somewhat useful device overall so I'm really leaning towards getting this.
Any advice, info, or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Edit: the X came with a 16gb [not 2]card, btw...so make sure to ask for that if you can.
br0adband said:
I have a chance to get a Droid X in "mint" condition today for about $75 and I'm considering it, but I wanted to ask a few basic questions that I wanted to just consolidate into one post instead of dropping questions all over the place in various threads. I did spend a few hours doing thread research and reading here and HowardForums and the Rootzwiki (and Cyanogenmod as well) so here goes:
- I'm assuming the bootloader is still locked on the Droid X as I see/saw threads with people doing a petition (like that's gonna change anything), so what exactly does that mean for the Droid X overall - I see some custom ROMs available so I'm confused: I thought having a locked bootloader meant you couldn't have custom ROMs or, are they all running from the microSD card?
- for anyone that bought a Droid X and used the stock ROM(s) from Verizon, does using a custom ROM (if you do so) help the battery life at all, and to what degree (and how bad/good is/was the stock ROM battery life anyway?)?
- I saw mention of ICS in several instances, and also along with some ROMs but, there doesn't seem to be a full fledged ICS ROM available (or is Liberty just such a thing?) so, are the chances high that ICS will never be fully fleshed out for the Droid X? I think I saw mention that there's "some" ROM now with ICS features but isn't the full fledged build, and that the camera doesn't work at all... just hoping for clarification on this. If it's an issue of "at some point we'll have ICS working proper, completely" then I suppose it's worth taking a chance now.
- Last question: would people think that $75 for a Droid X in near "mint" condition (seller's comment, haven't actually held it in my hand yet), a memory card (unknown size but most likely the stock 2GB card), and the charger/USB card is a somewhat decent deal? I've gone through several HD2's over the years and run all sorts of OSes on it, and while it arguably is the best damned enthusiast phone ever created, I am currently on the lookout for something different - can't afford a brand new dual core monster phone (I really want that Samsung Galaxy Note but it'll probably never happen).
While the Droid X is getting older, it seems like it's still a somewhat useful device overall so I'm really leaning towards getting this.
Any advice, info, or suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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A locked bootloader means no custom kernels...
But with the 2nd-init this means next to nothing that is negative for us.
We can run CM7, MIUI, and ICS.
These are 2nd-init roms that don't use any of Motorola's framework.
EncounterICS is definitely a daily driver rom...if you don't mind missing out on your camera.
This is the stock ICS experience.
Cm7 is fantastic.
Everything works.
Miui is fantastic.
Everything works.
Liberty and the other roms are 1st-init...meaning they use blur framework...and varying amounts of blur features...depending on the rom.
Battery?
On 2nd-init...we're at about stock levels.
1st-init may get slightly better than stock.
The X gets pretty darn decent battery life anyway...I wouldn't worry about it.
Our ICS ports might not have a working camera for quite some time...
But I'm sure they'll get there.
Is it a good buy?
I'd say yes.
The X has these features missing from the current top-tier phones...
4G
NFC
Front facing camera
Dual core.
We can even spoof the market into letting us download dual core games...
And overclock and use Chainfire3D to run said games.
It's a surprisingly nice phone...
If we had an unlocked bootloader...we'd have a fully functional ICS already.
But that's something for the devs to work on...and it really has no effect on us aside from a longer wait.
Check my sig for DX specific rom/root/tuts if you end up getting it.
Sorry for jumping all over the place...writing this on my phone!

Came with 16GB originally, really? Damn that would be nice, but I won't find out till later today when I meet to get my hands on it. That would be awesome if it was one of the original ones but, I don't want to get my hopes up for it. Hell, Fry's carries 16GB microSD cards under $20 most every day now so it's not like it'll be a lot of money to get one.
No worries about the jumping all over the place - I've been online since 1977 (seriously, at a whopping 50 baud!) so I can keep up with disjointed thoughts and whatever.
As for the "missing features" on top tier phones, none of those are relevant to me at all, as weird as that might sound. I'm in Las Vegas and we're fairly blanketed here for 4G coverage but, I think that kind of speed (when it works) for cell/smart phones is still just a gimmick but that's just me.
So a solid CM7 ROM might be the best for me to get started I suppose. The owner texted me earlier to set the meeting time (another few hours) and confirmed she did reset the phone to factory condition which iirc means it's at the Android screen which means it's waiting to be activated - can you or anyone else confirm that the old 4-corner trick will bypass that activation so I can get into it and verify everything works? I probably won't bother with the actual activation anytime soon unless I find some good local pricing here in my area, but being able to demo the phone and make sure everything works is an absolute must.
And thanks for the response, the info was very helpful.

I'd agree with ya there.
We've yet to get 4G in my area...but even connecting to WiFi loading web pages takes about the same time...not like I'm downloading 3gig torrents on my phone.
But yes, 4-corners works.
Edit: Do an esn check too.
I think there are online tools to do so.
Or possibly calling Verizon if need be.
Calling ##program will bring I believe...or check behind the battery.
(I'm actually on a loaner right now...getting my phone repaired through Best Buy...so I can't verify this.)

So I got the Droid X, it's in great condition but certainly not "mint" (people always say that and I don't think most know what mint actually implies - it should practically untouched by human hands).
Anyway, that CheckESNFree.com site says this one is clean and ready for activation so that's a plus, if that site is dependable of course. Always have to worry that someone would be creating a database of ESNs/ESIDs/IMEIs for some dastardly and nefarious purposes!!!
It's definitely a LOT snappier than my HD2 (listed in my sig) but it's also a slightly better internal architecture than the HD2 was, of course. Everything seems to function fine, not sure where to start so I'll much with it for the evening and see what gives. Came with a very tiny HTC 5V USB adapter, the original Motorola USB cable, and a separate USB charger as well.
Oh, and it does have the 16GB microSD card in it too.

I'm the admin/founder/owner of CheckESNFree.com
I can assure you that we do NOT log/store/record ESNs in any way shape or form.
We process roughly 14,000 ESNs per day, and we have a huge following of supporters, including places such as ReCellular, Gazelle, and FastLaneWireless.