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hey flipz how about another benchmark

how bout another benchmark for all these latest and greatest roms that claim to be too fast for class. so we know the truth once again

I agree
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No problem. I should have time to do it tomorrow.

flipzmode said:
No problem. I should have time to do it tomorrow.
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haha, awesome...

flipzmode said:
No problem. I should have time to do it tomorrow.
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wow awesome quick response too... i knew i liked u for some reason

Won't hardware benchmarks always be the same between all ROMs?
Is there a way to objectively benchmark resource management? Speed of the interface, opening apps etc.

i didnt see the last one but id like to see benchmarks like on te gsm roms
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656818
Also the following for benchmarking:
For 3D Performance
* Qualcomm's "NeoCore" 1.9.18 - Measured in FPS
For 2D Performance
* Softweg's "Benchmark" 1.03 - Measured by an internal score
* "Lag test" - Originally to measure 2D performance for Motorola Droid users. Measured in FPS
For CPU Performance
* Linpack for Android - Measured in MFLOPS
All of the tests mean: The higher, the better.
The method of testing was the usual flashing, a couple of reboots to make sure every caching necessary was done and the average of 3 benchmark of each test.
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Make sure to test Pancake 0.1! Still the fastest rom out there .

bikcmp said:
Still the fastest rom out there .
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I really liked your rom, but seriously....
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TrevE said:
i didnt see the last one but id like to see benchmarks like on te gsm roms
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656818
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http://geekfor.me/news/benchmarking-sprint21/
I'll add linpack to the list too.
bikcmp said:
Make sure to test Pancake 0.1! Still the fastest rom out there .
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And it's also 1.5 which makes it irrelevant for these tests.

Someone should come out with a rom, with JIT enabled.
Then they can claim they have the fastest rom.
I had it running on dc 2.7.2 without any problems.. Just cant use anything HTC, like lockscreen or sense.
But nexus or helix launcher and beautiful widgets, everything is normal again.

JIT is too buggy still, im looking foward to playing with compcache when someone gets 2.6.29 source working
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Compcache
thanks flipz just looked it over like the benchmark setup

TrevE said:
JIT is too buggy still, im looking foward to playing with compcache when someone gets 2.6.29 source working
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Compcache
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Yea. We had some goodies starting to go in the .27 kernel but then the 2.1 stuff became the main focus so it never got finished. Ha.

TrevE said:
JIT is too buggy still, im looking foward to playing with compcache when someone gets 2.6.29 source working
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Compcache
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I agree its not perfect.. But i can use it on my daily rom and run every app I would on a normal day without an issue.
Before dc 2.06 came out, i ran it on dc 2.05 for 3 days straight.'
I dont use bluetooth or some other random things. So it would probably start 101 problems for some people.. Like theres not enough already.

Kernel scheduler improvement.

Hi there a good news for responsiveness.
A patch of 200 lines have been checked and approved by Linus, improving greatly responsiveness maybe it should be interesting to test it on our phones.
News and links available here.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1
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Holy hell, thats a monumental difference!

Awesome, I HATE how laggy my Nexus One gets when I'm compiling the kernel with 64 threads.

Integrated it into my latest kernel build...hasn't tested it out yet though...

intersectRaven said:
Integrated it into my latest kernel build...hasn't tested it out yet though...
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Cool Can't wait to get my hands on this, (But have no time right now) .

Tested with new Rodriguez rom + intersectRaven kernel,
the new room is really nice to use, and the reactivity is awesome !
Really amazing, feel a huge difference in multitasking and fluidity.
Tried with the Miui browser included in the room, the web pages render time are really surprising really nice.

What is the name of the IR kernel you used?

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What is the name of the IR kernel you used?
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http://www.mediafire.com/intersectRaven
2.6.35.8_AVS-CM-NOBOOST_CFS_20101116_2127.zip

so... does this take care of the "Cannot find CPU Subsystem.." (something like this) errors in the logcat when the CPU is pegged ?

buttery smooth!! thanks!!

holy ****. so smooth. got 22fps in nenamark

vivanshah said:
holy ****. so smooth. got 22fps in nenamark
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Doubt thats related as this particular fix is about scheduling.
I get 21.7 FPS @1113, old 2.6.35.7 CM kernel

I'm not seeing any improvement actually...
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What benchmarks would this show up in on the n1?

There's no benchmark about responsiveness or latency of the system at the moment.
But you really can feel it with multitasking.
I've nimbuzz, Skype, tweetdeck, Gmail, Ms email etc everything always ON.
I switch a lot between applications and so I really fell the difference not freeze while switching between browser and calandar music etc.
My nexus one is clearly under heavy usage with me all the time.
So since there's no benches I cannot tell exactly how good it is. But phoronix speak about
-10% lag
+60% responsiveness
Which is awesome! Even just half of that would be excellent!
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liam.lah said:
What benchmarks would this show up in on the n1?
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What is wrong with you people??? If you can only see it in a benchmark, who cares?

teh_lorax said:
What is wrong with you people??? If you can only see it in a benchmark, who cares?
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Nothing wrong with me, would just like to see some real stats, its way too easy to think things "feel faster" especially if you are expecting them to, just like some people feel certain UV kernels have longer life than others, unless you actually do the numbers(which was done), it is really just what people "feel", and that is extremely unreliable.

IntersectRaven - how did u integrate the patch, i am unable to integrate it cleanly

Great!
Applied to PureFroyo kernel. Let's test.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820172

got it to compile, now testing

Quadrant scores

Ok so ive rooted this toy, flashed the 1.2ghz kernal and ran quadrant on it. I hit anywhere from 1080 to 1180. Have setcpu on demand at 800 min and 1200 max so why on earth is my rooted nook color running android 2.1 and a flashed 1100mhz kernal hitting wayyyy higher scores? (Around 1280) doesnt seem logical at all. Specially cause this is an actual tablet and thats just a rooted e reader. Did I do something wrong?
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Quadrant is a bad benchmark. It weights i/o far too heavily.
The Tabs RFS filesystems bring its Quadrant score way below where it should be, though in actual use it's very fast.
If you move to EXT4, your Quadrant scores will shoot up by around 80%.
Regards,
Dave

O sweet love of mary. 80% you say. Ok ive seen some posts redarding this ext4 thingymabob. Ill check it out. So if im understanding you correctly by changing to this my tab will perform even better than it does now? Or ill just see a genaric increase on this quadrant test that really means nothing? Sorry im noobish lol
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Well, my tab is currently on ext4 and my quadrant scores completely destroys my rfs score taken earlier.
However, that said, i don't really feel any performance improvements except the satisfaction knowing that my toy is now on an open and faster file system as opposed to a propriatory and slower one ;-)
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Ok so ive looked at some threads containing info but I see no post telling me how to do this magic. Could one of you nice, young, kindhearted souls link me to where I need to go to put this thing on my verizon cdma galaxy tab? Please and thank you sirs?
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Quadrant scores aren't as accurate as people think you know...
Sent from zombie infested Gingerbread.

There's an app called OCLF that will transparently add an EXT4 area on the RFS filesystem without needing to convert the whole thing to EXT4, giving you EXT4 IO performance in an easily installable and reversible way. Probably your best choice for trying it out. Otherwise, for the complete conversion, you could try this Modaco ROM/Kernel, which includes a complete conversion to EXT4.
As far as performance differences go, it makes a huge (10x) difference to the Quadrant IO score (measured before and after figures), but no measurable difference to actual performance (measured real-world usage figures). Some people claim to notice a subjective difference, but I never did.

Im using the modaco rom and kernel with ext4.
And it does make a huge difference. I get around 1800 in quadrant now.

conan1600 said:
Ok so ive looked at some threads containing info but I see no post telling me how to do this magic. Could one of you nice, young, kindhearted souls link me to where I need to go to put this thing on my verizon cdma galaxy tab? Please and thank you sirs?
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hi,
please be aware that the modaco kernel (rfs/ext4) will not work on CDMA Tabs.
from modaco kernel thread
This kernel is ONLY tested on a UK Galaxy Tab. It MAY work on other GSM Tabs, it almost certainly WON'T work on a CDMA Tab. If you have a non UK Tab and want to test (and know how to flash back to a regular version), then go ahead and report your results. At your own risk.
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regards,
mike

robertsydbrink said:
Im using the modaco rom and kernel with ext4.
And it does make a huge difference. I get around 1800 in quadrant now.
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That's the point!
It makes a huge difference in Quadrant, which is a synthetic benchmark, but far, far less difference in real world usage - hence it is a crap benchmark!
Pre-EXT4 my Tab would pull around 1000 in Quadrant, whereas my Desire HD would pull around 1800. However in real usage, they seem to perform pretty much the same which is not too surprising as they are similarly specified. On EXT4, my Tab pulls around 1800 now, but still performs much like my DHD.
I so wish people would stop bandying about Quadrant scores because they are meaningless.
Regards,
Dave

If you look at the scores in quadrant , they are split by colour so you can see how good the graphics capabilities are for example and compare to other phones. The colour codes are at the bottom of quadrant by the way

Linpack is a better benchmark. Not perfect, but better

Not really - Linpack only tests floating point performance.
Regards,
Dave

Wow, I started a heated discussion lol. Well ive downloaded the one click lag fix but have not applied the ext2 tools as yet. Want to do more reading about it first. Obviously I want my yab to be the best it can be but I surely dont want to make it genericly better at the expence of my video grafix as one user said he suffered in that thread.
More reserch required
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Taking Quadrant scores aside, when I made the switch from CF-Root to the Ext4 MCK, I really did notice a huge improvement in real world usage. I'm not sure if it is really because of the change in file system, but nevertheless thats the only big thing present in that kernel aside from CWM.

Everything said make sense and seems to be valid but let me share my experience.
I have Samsung Galaxy Vibrant and T-mobile Tab. Now both are using EXT4 file system and have fully functional recovery allowing for flashing straight from the phone.
Both now have Quanrant score around 1700-1800 and run very smothly.
Is I/O speed important? I think it is very important because task switching requires reading of huge chuncks of memory. Until read operation completed the user is essencially suspended. Multitasking is the major distinction of Android and lags associated with the tasks switching might be the most noticeable issue since its used so much. Converting of the RFS file system to EXT4 practically reduced lags to unnoticeable level. I don't need any better.
Another critical area for I/O is playing video and especially capturing HD video. The latter works only if I set internal storage and shut down all tasks.
This is work in progress but it seems it reached level of usability when most critical bugs eliminated.
It should be noted that the Tab is flashed with Rotohammer KM2 v1 ROM and Paul Obrien's kernel on a top. The kernel contains scripts converting the file system and flashing recovery. This combination works well, no issues so far.

Well I decided to give it a try and after install my quadrant is 2556 and linpack is 16.865 mflops at 1200mhz. Good scores but just numbers. I do however believe im seeing a bit of snap that I didnt have before when accessing my library. Still really unsure if this is a good thing as im not sure if I can use apps to sd anymore so I may uninstall at some point in the future but thanks to all you who helped the old man out. Atm im quite happy
Now lets get ta craka lackin on a 1.5 ghz update for our tabs
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Of course you can use a2sd. Froyo does it by default
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I think you are pushing!
Overclocking will raise processor/RAM heat dissipation and thus might lead to a catastrophic failure. It would be great to have temperature sensor on the board or at least measure current consumption from the battery but it is not easy.

Of course im a pushin lol. Only way to achieve is to try. Course ive read about the tab proccessor being able to handle 1.4 stable and can handle 1.6... Not that id know about these things first hand. Just taking the words of better men.
Just an old man with a little time to kill and a dream to be able to play facebook cityville on my tab haha. Well that and I have always enjoyed souping up my toys lmao.
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Nexus S performs as good as SGSII in quadrant!

I'm running stock 2.3.2 with netarchy 1.2.5 bfs. When overclocked to 1.3 my nexus s gave a quadrant score of 3052.
When the SGSII went for quadrant it got 3053. That's something to us NS owners eh?

As an android user if there is one thing I never trusted are the Quadrant Scores of a custom Kernel.

I get a score of 2241 with the last MIUI release. But onestly I'm not so confident this is a good basis for a comparison.

quadrant-shmadrant.
who cares, what exactly can the fastest phone do that the nexus s can't at this point in time that's of any use? now, wait for the next version of android for phones... that'll hopefully allow the user to import 3d-models with boning data direct from a 3d package, improved graphics rendering - which should see an increase of around %15 iirc - and then we're talking.
but of course, the nexus s will be able to do all that first!

MarkusPO said:
quadrant-shmadrant.
who cares, what exactly can the fastest phone do that the nexus s can't at this point in time that's of any use? now, wait for the next version of android for phones... that'll hopefully allow the user to import 3d-models with boning data direct from a 3d package, improved graphics rendering - which should see an increase of around %15 iirc - and then we're talking.
but of course, the nexus s will be able to do all that first!
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Take 1080p video, zoom the camera, play just about any video you put on it without converting out of the box. Have touchwiz or senseui features whatever the new ones may be. All very useful if you have a use for them.
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I'm going to be stuck with this phone for a while.
All other phones just seem so, flat. I love this phone so much.

SGS GPU acceleration for UI?

Hi,
I´ve read that ICS has GPU acceleration for the UI implemented as a standard. Is there really a difference in smoothness compared to custom gb roms? I´m talking about the i9001. But it should be the same as with the i9000
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Lekor

Can't tell the difference.
I'm on RemICS v1.2 with Devil Kernel 3.0.72. I set GPU from stock 200MHz to OC at 250MHz and I can't tell the difference. But the Kernel developer did say it may not work. Still experimental.

Afaik no big difference, although our GPU is powerful. Maybe stock ROM has other imorovements, so the boost isn't good to feel on ICS.

Samurai05 said:
I'm on RemICS v1.2 with Devil Kernel 3.0.72. I set GPU from stock 200MHz to OC at 250MHz and I can't tell the difference. But the Kernel developer did say it may not work. Still experimental.
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GPU OC isn't same as GPU accelerated UI
And yes ICS should benefit from it..but can't really remember anyone GB times if there has been some speed gain..
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Yeah it does, but i reckon that ICS is really unpolished with it.

Running slim with the latest semaphore and I can definitely say this is the slickest my phone has been, but that is just my opinion
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Lekor2k said:
Hi,
I´ve read that ICS has GPU acceleration for the UI implemented as a standard. Is there really a difference in smoothness compared to custom gb roms? I´m talking about the i9001. But it should be the same as with the i9000
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Lekor
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There are apks that use the gpu. In custom roms i saw that this is true on i9001

The stock browser in 2.3.6 uses GPU acceleration. There are other apps also, but not the OS UI.
In 4.0 custom rom it should work in the apps when you enable the option from the developer options.

No difference. Everything using 8 mb more ram with 200mhz GPU acceleration.
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burakgon said:
No difference. Everything using 8 mb more ram with 200mhz GPU acceleration.
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Bro, just upgraded my i9000 to ice and forced gpu acceleration.
Man even on the xda app itself I can see a marginal difference in smoothness.
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it has an option force gpu rendering that uses 2d hardware acceleration in applications...and you have to set it manual...but dont know if it rly helps in smoothness i think it depends more on the rom then to have this gpu option

MrAndroid12 said:
Bro, just upgraded my i9000 to ice and forced gpu acceleration.
Man even on the xda app itself I can see a marginal difference in smoothness.
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Because it's cyanogen. You can see it's even faster on cm7.
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I see an awful lot of people saying it offers no improvements. Personally, I think it does.
I keep my phone up to date as much as possible. When ICS was stable, I jumped right in. I haven't ran Gingerbread in a long, long time—but from what I remember, it had some lag. Android, in fact, was known for this lag. You couldn't read an iOS vs Android debate without this lag being mentioned (at least when Gingerbread was the newest). And I had tried everything: every lag fix, every tweak, every ROM, every kernel, governer, scheduler, OCing, UVing—I tried it all. But I still remember there being lag.
Now I'm in the present. I've been running ICS since it was stable and, quite frankly, I don't notice that lag. I mean, yes, my phone does still lag—if I'm doing something processor intensive in the background—but not like my memories of Gingerbread. Back then, it would lag scrolling through my list of apps; it would lag doing menial UI rendering without anything running in the background. That simply does not happen anymore. Not in my experiences. Not with ICS.
Granted, as I did in Gingbread, I do in ICS—I've applied every fix, every tweak, and every possible software combination that I could get my hands on. I've tried every ROM, every kernel, every setting imaginable. And I do this because I've been thoroughly impressed by the community here at XDA. This device of ours is over 2 years old now. But the software progression does not stop. We move forward as if the hardware was built just yesterday. And I have to tell you, our phone is keeping up—it really is. My phone is faster than a lot of my peers, even with some of them having much newer hardware. And I honestly don't feel I could have said any of this if I had stayed far behind with Gingerbread.
Everyone wants a new phone. It's newer, better, faster. But what they don't realize is that software can fulfill a majority of their wants. It is a continuous improvement, however gradual it may be. To not want to upgrade your software is like not wanting to upgrade your phone. And let's be honest, who doesn't want a new phone—one that's newer, better, and faster—without ever having to buy one.
I do. And that's why I update my phone. But maybe that's just me.