Before you run and grab your pitchforks, Sony Ericsson isn’t locking down their phones just yet but they are revising their policy on the popular Android buzzword: bootloaders. But first, lets start at the beginning.
Sony Ericsson was one of the first companies that announced they would NOT be locking down the bootloaders in their upcoming devices even going as far as providing links on their website with instructions on how to do so. This was a breath of fresh air seeing how rival mobile companies like Motorola (and even HTC at the time) were going to great lengths to lock down their phones and keep them “secure.” Sony Ericsson also went on to say that their handsets, even when unlocked, would continue to receive regular firmware/software updates from SE whenever they were made available. Under one condition. The device had to be running the stock SE software. Sounded reasonable enough.
Well, it looks like SE may be doing a little backpedaling adding new stipulations to their previous stance. They are now saying that once the bootloader is unlocked, you will NOT be receiving regular firmware updates from SE. While this sounds like a bad move, they actually have a pretty good reason for doing so. SE explained that because they have no way of knowing what software a user will install on their device, it makes it nearly impossible for them to give their customers 100% certainty that an update will be compatible. That actually makes perfect sense. In a world where most companies ignore their customers its refreshing to see a company like Sony Ericsson going to great lengths to please everyone. Even the minority. As an Android modder myself, I know how hard it is for a developer to guarantee ROM compatibility between software versions.
I am aware that we don’t have a recovery ROM in place. There are some reasons why that is the case. One reason for not supporting FOTA updates after the phone has been unlocked is that FOTA is a delta between two know SW releases and as the phone has been unlocked we can’t be sure of the SW release currently on the phone. I will bring this question back to see if we could allow phones that has been unlocked to be updated via "SW update service" which would be a way to get a Sony Ericsson ROM back on the phone, but please note the warranty may still have been voided as the phone.
Currently we don’t support SEUS for phones that has been unlocked. I have initiated discussions if we can support that going forward, but there are several things that needs to be investigated before I can give you an answer (e.g. will it affect customer call centers, repair centers, which SW should be used for unlocked phones, how to identify phone model if other things has been modified, are there security concerns for unlocked phones etc). Will get back to you as soon as I have more information. Sorry that I can’t give a better answer at this time.
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So what’s going to happen now? Well, if you still want to hack up your phone and unlock that bootloader, you will be at the mercy of ROM developers to keep your phone up to date and hope that Sony Ericsson can release the source code for their stock ROMs once available. Only problem is — no devs, means no support. What is still unclear is if once unlocked, if it will be possible to lock it up again and go back to stock (something Nexus One users know was impossible).
While I certainly can’t knock Sony Ericsson for going this route, rooting a phone has always meant voiding one’s warranty, it will be interesting to see how this affects popular opinion on a company trying so hard to please everyone and make a name for themselves in the already crowded Android market. Good luck to ya, SE!
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Lol now this is typical se behaviour ...
So much for improving.
fiscidtox said:
Lol now this is typical se behaviour ...
So much for improving.
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Its an error, not a bad thing they have done on purpose, and according to all the stories i read they are trying to fix it
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Its an error, not a bad thing they have done on purpose, and according to all the stories i read they are trying to fix it
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Ahhh thanks for that.
This story makes it seem otherwise.
Ill have to look at some other info!
To be honest we don't have to care about the bootloader policies now as they do not affect our X10s.
Unless you are considering a new SE device.
The thread title is somewhat misleading. All that SE is saying that they cannot guarantee anything if the phone is unlocked, and that you won't receive FOTA updates. Who cares? You'll still be able to flash those updates to your phone via recovery/flashtools.
Looking at most other manufacturers, the way that SE (and lately HTC again) goes still is by far the best.
Who cares? I daresay anyone using an unlocked bootloader won't be devastated by not having ota upgrades to a stock rom.
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Yes, if you have unlocked your bootloader, you should be smart enough to play with flashtools.
Makes sense from a developers point of view, you cannot possibly account for all possible compatability scenarios. Rather than leave the door open for a multitude of support requests due to unsupported 3rd party software they simply save themselves the grief by not giving those who wish to open up their devices an official upgrade path. Of course that's not to say an upgrade isn't possible and if an end user has the technical knowledge and ability to unlock the bootloader on their device then they should be perfectly capable of upgrading their device via another method. No loss.
Just sounds like another system of control to me.
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Makes sense from a developers point of view, you cannot possibly account for all possible compatability scenarios. Rather than leave the door open for a multitude of support requests due to unsupported 3rd party software they simply save themselves the grief by not giving those who wish to open up their devices an official upgrade path. Of course that's not to say an upgrade isn't possible and if an end user has the technical knowledge and ability to unlock the bootloader on their device then they should be perfectly capable of upgrading their device via another method. No loss.
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That's right.
I believe that FlashTool by J will have everyone covered. No biggie.
Heck, even on my locked-down X10, I haven't used SEUS for like a looong time.
From what I read, Android and the carriers are the ones pushing for locked bootloader and no root for official updates to allow further control of data plans (throttling) and to stop illegal tethering.
Like anyone cares about this news lol. It's not Apple!
Well, at least it seems we'll have options! I'm not a big fan of HTC designs, but depending on what they release next I might consider it after this:
HTC Officially Stops Locking Bootloaders
Offff topic can some body translate this page and repoast
http://www.netzwelt.de/mobil/news/86923-sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-details-gingerbread-update.html
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rtblittlebrown said:
Offff topic can some body translate this page and repoast
http://www.netzwelt.de/mobil/news/86923-sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-details-gingerbread-update.html
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Nothing new, the news is about the x10 getting facebook integration with the gb update and links to a video that shows "facebook inside xperia" on a arc.
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qwer23 said:
Nothing new, the news is about the x10 getting facebook integration with the gb update and links to a video that shows "facebook inside xperia" on a arc.
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Hello everyone,
This is my first posting on XDA developers thought i've been following the community for quite some time as its helped me with a lot of my other phones in the past.
Eclair is probably going to be the last major release for the Experia 10 family. Froyo was originally being considered to be released in August but unfortunately change of management that occurred several times last year and this year kept changing, ending and starting new project all over the place at SE.
Eclair has been ready for some time to be released and the past few months has been a constant battle to get people to agree to release Froyo instead of Eclair.
Long story short, Froyo is a no go and Eclair is what is being released. It is currently being pushed out to the various operators for branding.
Furthermore, future Android releases will be customized for future phones and not the X10i, X10 mini/pro
these days it is so easy to say something with out proof!!
If you believe it or not that is your own choice. I'm not making claims that SE will release anything any time soon. Rather im saying that they wont!
Which is the major difference here. The fact that I posted on here today is because I got fed up of everything that is going on in the office.
Its not that 2.2 cant be released its that they just simply wont release it.
do you work at se?
yeah like you say. it's your first post. and you speak like a se spokesperson or something lol
unless you are an insider, i don't know how you'd be able to say what you said with 100% certainty.
but we are not waiting for SE to release an update!!
we are waiting for our dev!!
yes... and yes...
Bull**** in my ass. SE will relese 2.2 in end of Q4 2010 or Q1 2011. Got it from SE in Sweden.
Sent from my X10i
HAHA...great, now we have 2 unsubstantiated claims about Froyo.
Skepticism aside, the argument as presented here makes sense. Hopefully it's a mistake or troll but anyone who's seen corporate politics up close will be all too familiar with events like these.
So if true: Thanks for the information. If it's not: Eff off you trolling low-life.
If things turn out this way it's an even bigger reason to crack the bootloader or for SE to release a warranty-voiding unlocked loader.
Well,
Seeing as I work at SE on the SE DEV team in Sweden I would like to think that the information I have is fresh off the press so to say.
The information you have with regards to 2.2 being released in Q4 maybe Q1 was the original plan yes.
But you enjoy that update when it comes out FreeKill.
Thanks ddewbofh,
I didn't expect people to be so offensive in their response when information is being given and not about an amazing even rather about an upsetting set of news.
I have more confidence in Cyanogenmod will be available to x10i rather than an official Froyo release.
In principle, you should be able to flash Froyo that is provided by google directly. There are 2 major things stopping you from doing that.
1. The phones that the public has are flagged as "Red" for retail phones and the dev phones are flagged as brown... please don't ask why those colors.
This means that even if I were to get a phone from one of the stores take it back into the office and try to flash it with our own tools then it wont work.
2. The modem software that is provided by the general release from Google does not work on the x10i phones.
However, once the bootloader is cracked you can always grab the modem package from a dump and included to the general release.
so, do you have a access to engineering bootloader?
Well, needless to say if you were to leak a copy of your tools we could get it working given a little time
Just out of interest you say "flagged" is that a software or hardware flag?
So since its already ready so to speak...
Im sure a copy leaked underground wont hurt anyone ...
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I know about the colours... dont you have a tool to change the certificates from retail to dev?
Also there must be a modem tool out there that you know of that could possible work...
Well, it's going to be SE's choice.
If their corporate bull**** is going to screw their customers, they will move on. Hell, I know at least 5 persons who sold their X10 for a shiny new SGS, even when the X10's hardware is far superior than the SGS (Not talking about actual performance, but overall hardware obviously)
It would be a pitty, really. For the people like me who live in a country where your only option is to use an unlocked phone, because our carriers do not have a different kind of option, the X10 is the best Android handset in the market for the right price.
Sure, the SGS has better hardware performance, but it also cost almost twice as much as the X10 around here... and the other HTC stuff can't compete with the X10 as a whole package (Camera, picture quality, LCD, media player, sound quality)
I don't know why is so hard for SE to excel. To let their customers, and the other manufacturers know that the brand is best of the best. That they are going to give their product the best it can handle, until it can't handle it anymore (Like Gingerbread, for example) like HTC does. Shame that I don't like HTC handsets, the build quality is crap, the camera and sound quality are even worse... they only work as a cell phone, not as a whole multimedia package, like the X10.
If this is real, then the X10 will be my last SE phone. I stopped using them after ALL their phones became crap after the glorious w810i. This is my first SE phone in 4 years after having SE phones only, and would be my last if they let me down again.
I agree. You're potentially lost you're job anyway.
You might aswell hand over the goods. You, as a dev, woulda understand that Android is meant to be open source; Therefor you should have no quams in providing a more positive outlook on a product you have worked hard on.
Or just throw it all into that other ugly phone. Just sayin'
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EDIT: Just out of curiosity, you say you have been watching this forum did a while. What was the general consensus when you informed your team the X10 was rooted? I'm merely curious as to your stand point on locking the phone down so much.
SELeak, if this information is true and our only hope for Froyo/Gingerbread is through cracking the bootloader, how about some more "insider information" on how we could get this done? If you really wanna help the community, help us get through Sony's "let's protect everything because we're paranoid" bootloader.
first of, big thanks to SELeak for sharing his info
i think if you were to share more in-depth info about the bootloader etc, you should contact the team that made the root for x10 possible, if you are willing, contact me on PM, i will give you the info how to get in direct contact with somebody from the team, if they have't contacted you already
best regards
Your title might also be taken as misleading, as Froyo is not a "major release" per say. Version 2.1 to 2.2 is a minor release in my book.
SELeak said:
Hello everyone,
This is my first posting on XDA developers thought i've been following the community for quite some time as its helped me with a lot of my other phones in the past.
Eclair is probably going to be the last major release for the Experia 10 family. Froyo was originally being considered to be released in August but unfortunately change of management that occurred several times last year and this year kept changing, ending and starting new project all over the place at SE.
Eclair has been ready for some time to be released and the past few months has been a constant battle to get people to agree to release Froyo instead of Eclair.
Long story short, Froyo is a no go and Eclair is what is being released. It is currently being pushed out to the various operators for branding.
Furthermore, future Android releases will be customized for future phones and not the X10i, X10 mini/pro
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SELeak, if this information is true and our only hope for Froyo/Gingerbread is through cracking the bootloader, how about some more "insider information" on how we could get this done? If you really wanna help the community, help us get through Sony's "let's protect everything because we're paranoid" bootloader.
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SELeak, if you do in fact work for SE development, the community here would very much appreciate any assistance you could give in helping to crack the bootloader.
However, as it stands this thread really doesn't belong in the Android Development forum, as it isn't directly contributing to Android development on the X10.
Title says it all. The Xperia X10 will not be open. See article for more information.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/03/29/official-–-sony-ericsson-opens-bootloader-for-new-xperia-range/
I had to read it with my own eye, even then i thought i was still asleep.
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Official one http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/devel...e-boot-loader-in-the-new-xperia™-smartphones/
I was thinking to myself if I were the CEO of SE the first thing that I would do is opening the bootloader and giving GB to x10. Some companies started to put bootloader follwing the SE path. Now what they are going to do.
ANDROID IS READY TO (FREE)
Also, please note that you may void the warranty of your phone if you unlock the boot loader. See your phone’s warranty statement for details. Additionally, due to the modified phone software, Sony Ericsson’s repair network may not be able to properly test and repair your phone according to our normal procedures. Consequently, if Sony Ericsson does perform a warranty repair, Sony Ericsson may charge you a handling fee for any additional incurred costs due to your modification of the software.
Therefore, you should only unlock the boot loader of your phone if you are an advanced developer with good knowledge of the technology and risks involved. We strongly recommend that standard users NOT unlock the boot loader, as it is not needed. We are proud to deliver great phone experiences through our rigorously tested and official software releases.
Tejstar said:
Title says it all. The Xperia X10 will not be open. See article for more information.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/03/29/official-–-sony-ericsson-opens-bootloader-for-new-xperia-range/
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Thats very good news, even the x10 dont get the unlocked bootloader all this will help our devs to learn more about se and make easier to them the cracking of the bootloader
Guys, sorry to disappoint you, but there are only two possibilities:
1.) the london drug cartel spoiled the drinking water around SE headquarters with a ****load of LSD (accidently?)
2.) Some bastard hacked blogs.sonyericsson.com and spreads ****.
*sry, joking*
Seriously, who is this at SE that turns a whole company's concept upside-down?!
Very good news and the first time I suggest to buy another XPERIA phone!
edit: Did they perhaps recognize that their upcoming phones'll have a hard time around the competition due to hardware specs? I think it makes sense. Their flag ships don't look all that good (if you look at the hardware only!) and the XPERIA Play received some quite bad reviews out there. So to stand out from the crowd, they open the bootloader while every other company starts to lock it up. Only my suggestion.
****, most probably need to buy the Arc Now ;-(
I really like my x10, but more fun with open bootloader
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so now we fans got another target to go and post on sony blogs and pages
OPEN BOOTLOADER!!!!!!!!!
OPEN BOOTLOADER!!!!!!
I thought this is another GB thread (seriously didn't read the title correctly) I put my hand on the KB to type some very bad things.
Then when I'm reading im thinking WTF man this is impossible So the same company that going sue one for cracking a bootloder is going to open the bootloader. is this 2012
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so now we fans got another target to go and post on sony blogs and pages
OPEN BOOTLOADER!!!!!!!!!
OPEN BOOTLOADER!!!!!!
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I would prefer if our devs could crack it before. Would be a lot more satisfying (even if I didn't contribute anything )
very good move from Sony Ericsson, it only shows that they do listen
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Seems like some change in top management and the bad image SE got in Android field that now they want to beat Samsung and HTC!!
akila87 said:
So the same company that going sue one for cracking a bootloder is going to open the bootloader. is this 2012
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This is a really good point, someone should tell sony about this
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I thought this is another GB thread (seriously didn't read the title correctly) I put my hand on the KB to type some very bad things.
Then when I'm reading im thinking WTF man this is impossible So the same company that going sue one for cracking a bootloder is going to open the bootloader. is this 2012
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Are you trolling? Sony Ericsson isn't suing anyone for trying to unlock the bootloader of the X10.
Are you getting the Sweden-based mobile phone company Sony Ericsson confused with the United States of America-based video game publisher Sony Computer Entertainment America?
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I thought this is another GB thread (seriously didn't read the title correctly) I put my hand on the KB to type some very bad things.
Then when I'm reading im thinking WTF man this is impossible So the same company that going sue one for cracking a bootloder is going to open the bootloader. is this 2012
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The sue case is for playstation not X10
Don't get confused
And if you read the article, they already explained why they can't do the same with X10
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Yeah I know anyway SE is half Sony and I mean the playstation no one never even talked about suing someone for X10
Wow, SE has really made some wonderful decisions! This is more than what any another non-nexus android phone has done. Kinda hard to hate SE after they at 2.3.3 for the x10 and unlocked bootloader option for their next phones. They've pretty much made sure my next phone purchase will be an SE.
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how is it possible...!!!!! now i think it's the time to move to arc.....
What the hell is SE up to lately??? Is the end of the world really coming in 2012 so there like "screw it,just give them what they want" lol.
Bravo SE.....you have really turned things around!
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blogs.sonyericsson.com said:
If you unlock the boot loader and then flash a custom unsigned ROM to your phone, the custom unsigned ROM will not have gone through the thorough tests that we run for each phone and software version that we release. Because of that, the custom unsigned ROM might not work properly on your phone. Certain functions may cease to work, and the performance of the device might not be ideal.
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"... it could ruin your SE user experience by running smooth and offer full functionality on an up-to-date Android version."
edit: HAHAHA sorry, just read the rest of the text:
blogs.sonyericsson.com said:
We are proud to deliver great phone experiences through our rigorously tested and official software releases.
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LMAO --> Although I'm very happy with their latest decisions and thing about buying another SE in future. But that's really funny *sniff*
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LMAO --> Although I'm very happy with their latest decisions and thing about buying another SE in future. But that's really funny *sniff*
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I personally tried prototype versions of the Arc, and you'd be surprised how smooth SE's Gingerbread is. It feels a lot more polished and complete than the stock Gingerbread.
Who of you are going to be pissed when / if you find out that, as the hardware is encrypted, you'll won't be able to put any roms on it? Under UK law at least, you won't have any justification to take it back for a refund.
i wont be pissed i just want a good new phone if its unlocked all the better...
MarkusPO said:
Who of you are going to be pissed when / if you find out that, as the hardware is encrypted, you'll won't be able to put any roms on it? Under UK law at least, you won't have any justification to take it back for a refund.
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When I purchase a phone it is done purely on the following:-
1. What hardware and software is currently available.
2. How it works in it's native form.
3. Whether or not the manufacturer supports the device.
Okay, two out of three's not bad and good enough for me but having an ability to alter/tamper outside of it's base/core never comes into it's purchase.
I'm sure this is what most people will purchase the phone for.
It's a great phone, simple as that.
What? Is the HW encrypted? What did I miss?
I'm with Beards on this one. It's a great phone and that's why I've pre-ordered one.
How is it possible to not care about locked bootloader? But i guess it won't be locked?
Arrghh nearly pre-ordered mine,
What's this about HW encryption??
Is he joking or being serious, I can't find anything
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I'm pretty sure he's saying if you find this out, will you be mad? He's not saying it is true.
Who cares...this baby will be cracked open like a nut...and theres always a way to get back to stock if needed...chill out...we are gods here at xda hahaha..
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from the horses mouth itself: http://galaxys2.samsungmobile.com/html/feature.html
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from the horses mouth itself: http://galaxys2.samsungmobile.com/html/feature.html
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Is it locked down?
On Device Encryption
The Samsung GALAXY S II is the first Android smartphone to adopt powerful encrypted hardware, minimizing the use of security software and applying encryption technology to the hardware itself, greatly accelerating security protection and achieving superior performance.
I can not see why Samsung would care, they are selling hardware not software, so a open sgs2 will sell more.
DKMIK said:
I can not see why Samsung would care, they are selling hardware not software, so a open sgs2 will sell more.
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I think wrong. i'm sure 75% of people buying it won't care. however if samsung can make a device that's locked down and secure and it catches on for this reason, it could tempt many large businesses to buy the s2 in hundreds if not thousands per company. that's going to add up to a lot of sales.
I don't know very much about ROM development etc. but couldn't it be that the encryption is totally transparent for accessing the ROM via "normal" software and only exists to protect the ROM against being built out and accessed manually?
this would be bs and i will be pissed.. it would probably mean no tweeking like deleting crap you dont need in system/app or replacing apps with tweeked version.. i may cancel my preorder
Sebring5 said:
Is it locked down?
On Device Encryption
The Samsung GALAXY S II is the first Android smartphone to adopt powerful encrypted hardware, minimizing the use of security software and applying encryption technology to the hardware itself, greatly accelerating security protection and achieving superior performance.
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Encryption is something else than locking it down. Just wait ya'll...
Hardware encryption does not mean locked bootloader. Samsung has not yet commented about the bootloader locking status. I want to believe that it won't be locked because it is fighting against the whole idea of Android. If I want to do exactly what big brother says I will buy an iPhone.
If the bootloader is properly locked, we won't be able to open it even here in XDA. Motorola Atrix has a locked bootloader and you can go to the Atrix forum here and see yourself how many custom kernels there are. (None)
We all know the direction of Android is completely based on Google's whim, and it has become increasingly apparent that in order to stabilize and defragment their evergrowing and unwieldy ecosystem, they must set some standards and lock some things down. Google has already told phone manufacturers that future Android changes that the companies make must be approved by Google or they won't release early source code to devs who don't comply. They have realized they won't be able to compete with closed and stable systems like iOS, RIM, and WP7 with this "open" approach. What makes you think custom ROM from hacker A will get any blessings when the likes of Samsung or HTC will have to go through Google's scrutiny? I look forward to seeing more locked bootloaders.
It might be like that but as a customer I don't care about the "Being able to compete with iOS"-angle. If I can't modify my phone I am leaving it to shop. Maybe in the future the Google phones are the only ones without locked bootloaders.
Now that I think of it, the locked bootloader has nothing to do with the Android fragmentation. It only prevents developers to modify their phones. Phone manufacturers can still do their Touchwiz and Motoblur things. Maybe this locked bootloader thing has something to do with operators (especially in USA)?
In the UK, if you've preordered it online, there is an EU law on distance selling which covers internet purchases. This enables you to get a refund within 7 days. Whether you think it will be cracked after these 7 days will be up to you, but xda should provide an insight into how hard it will be to do upon release.
http://www.oft.gov.uk/about-the-oft/legal-powers/legal/distance-selling-regulations/
Guys,
All of you owning a HTC Wildfire (Buzz) or any other HTC Android phone, go to the support page and sent the following email:
Dear HTC Support,
As you will not release more updates to the Wildfire and I will not be able to buy a new phone after using the phone for just 9 Months, is there any possibility that I (or even better: the community) can get an unlocked bootloader to install custom roms for the HTC Wildfire?
I do understand that you will try to force people to buy new HTC phones but not everyone can afford a new phone after 12Months and since the hardware is still up to date and running perfectly fine it should be possible to install customized roms to enhance the Wildfire (or any other) experience. I'm totally aware that this would void any warranty and support for the phone but as there is no more updates it doesn't matter anyway.
Wouldn't it make a much more positive company image if you would allow to do so? I will defentively only consider a customizable phone for the next one I buy and I would be very sad if HTC would not be on the list of possibilities.
Hope I can get a positive feedback from you guys and I do hope you understand my side and the rest of all of those freaks out there doing incredible things with your briliant hardware and software!
This would increas HTC popularity for sure and is also a fact for selling more phones than your competitors (SonyEricsson, Motorola).
Kind regards
YOURNAME
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If my english is not good enough feel free to rewrite the text but keep the same information to make sure the recognize that multiple users are sending these requests.
Maybe this helps to put some pressure on them as we are their customers spend our money to them and try to get the same as the community could do for the Motorola phones.
Unfortunately I'm not yet allowed to add any hyperlinks to the post and therefore the url to the world wide support form of HTC can't be posted by me...*sorry* (Anyone can do a followup post including the link?)
Thanks
Linuxcrash
Waste of time, if you send it to support or anything.
Support team just bins this kind of things.
ill try even this... sent
There is already a signing compaign started. First raise the number of signs in that and later we can think of complaint letters. First we need to know how many people will support it, so that if decent number of people (like thousands) support we can make a single complaint (of all the people) at a time, which will be more powerful. These individual complaints by people will never be bothered by htc for sure. And moreover these individual complaints gets splitted based on different countries, as each country has its specific support website. And splitting up these compaign processes will affect both of processes.
we can really expect the decent number of signs if everyone properly shares the link. Because while signing one need not create website user id.
link to the signing compaign : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050222
I think it still is worth doing it.
I do agree that we should concentrate on the list but still just sending a complaint does not cost much and might raise a little of awareness.
If we have these multiple channels of communication we just need to use them and on one of them it might be heard
Even if those different support guys trash it, they might discuss this during a meeting or even during their break and if there are enough people talking about it, the complaints might go to the right person.
I see this here in my company aswell. If customers would complain more about the situation it, would probably have an influence later.
Keep on spreading "awareness" ...
Actually they didn't lock the bootloader accidentally. Its a planned thing to sell their newer wildfire S (which will be the mid range htc android phone). And they will continue to lock every htc android phone. I don't expect they will unlock it even if wildfire S gets outdated. Making others aware of not buying the locked htc phones will have some effect.
Anyhow i agree that it should be worth a try. Having a try will not cost us anything. But most probably, this will be considered as a spam. And i have sent the mail to support this. I used the worldwide htc support website to do this. And why don't we try to learn something, share our ideas, and try to root the wildfire..
Indeed I think it's pointless to send this request to HTC.
It is clearly a corporate strategy to lock their devices and make more turnover by selling new types over shorter periods of time.
It's just about the money and not about the users
Actually they do not really treat it as spam but at least do not answer positively..
.Got 2 answers back from HTC support telling me that they will never allow customers to install custom rom on their phones. But wait what happens if at one time they get massive (hope there are enough freaks/geeks out there) requests to allow it??
Therefore I agree with you but still keep asking doesnt cost anything and you never know what can happen.
In the meantime we definitively should keep trying to root the phone in any available way.
Henkdrenth said:
Indeed I think it's pointless to send this request to HTC.
It is clearly a corporate strategy to lock their devices and make more turnover by selling new types over shorter periods of time.
It's just about the money and not about the users
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Surely they may unlock.it to compete with sony erricson (who i am not happy with for losing my psn data) and motorola
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e-mail reply
Reply: From HTC [email protected]
"Thank you for contacting HTC.
In regards to your enquiry, you can kindly recieve the FOTA upgrade to the 2.2 android(Froyo) version, simply by going to menu > settings > about phone > system software updates > check now.
The maximum version that the wildfire phone can get upgraded to in version 2.2
We do not force customers to buy new phones Sir, as we do provide upgrades and updates for the phones as soon as possible.
Unfortunately Sir we cannot provide you with information about an unlocked bootloader to install custom roms,as this is an illegal process ,and will affect the warranty of the phone."
Illegal? http://www.androidphonegeek.com/2010/07/rooting-your-phone-now-100-legal
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Illegal?
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This is simply a response from htc support a question. Do not expect it to be a clever answer. These things are not decided by people who meet these emails. A people who have to answer them do not care about it. Because they have a plan of work that followed, but it is quite clear that it does not include S = off for Wildfire. We just do traffic in the forum of XDA. Nothing more we can do with HTC at the official way!
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brilldoctor said:
Illegal? http://www.androidphonegeek.com/2010/07/rooting-your-phone-now-100-legal
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Actually, even if it is legal, their intentions will not support it. If we can see those "100% legal" in official websites of HTC or SE etc, we can confirm that it is legal.
The point is, we the geeks want it, need it, expect it, hope it to be legal.
How about google delaying the release of honeycomb source code. They intend to restrict the honeycomb to those devices which are manufactured with it.
And if people gets aware of locked botloaders, their market will be affected. Then they will manufacture the devices with root options. But people becoming aware never happens.....
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This is simply a response from htc support a question. Do not expect it to be a clever answer. These things are not decided by people who meet these emails. A people who have to answer them do not care about it. Because they have a plan of work that followed, but it is quite clear that it does not include S = off for Wildfire. We just do traffic in the forum of XDA. Nothing more we can do with HTC at the official way!
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I agree that these things are not decided by people who meet these emails, since all of us got the same replies.
And where are these guys with big brains. Im sure wildfire users with big brains are previously aware of not making the froyo ota update. In that case they will have a pre-rooted device and will not work on the rooting process..
And no updates of unrevoked regarding wildfire. Not sure whether they got the device, working, or not... Who else then......... Is it going to be like this forever.
bharatgaddameedi said:
I agree that these things are not decided by people who meet these emails, since all of us got the same replies.
And where are these guys with big brains. Im sure wildfire users with big brains are previously aware of not making the froyo ota update. In that case they will have a pre-rooted device and will not work on the rooting process..
And no updates of unrevoked regarding wildfire. Not sure whether they got the device, working, or not... Who else then......... Is it going to be like this forever.
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Business with HTC clip going strong since the update came out for Wildfire 2.2 Who manufactures these devices? If you are so s = off for people using this device will be less customers. Currently the only way is HTC clip - of which make any money, unlike unrevoked, which would make it more for glory than for money. Therefore I think that when willing to root through HTC clip fall, will appear and exploit for Wildfire. A first for low-end phones will also appear on the market in order to draw more money to compensate for the low price.
Another variant of the HTC negligence is simply silly to have received the update to 2.2 and now do not care (or shame them to fix the "error")
Anyway, can not do nothing but constantly picking and pray to the guys with "big brains" to say something about it. And if there is no way for S = off (or are not involved because they are arrogant and they like thousands of people to pray them every day for something) - at least to say it until the price of the phone is relatively good for sale yet ...
I just think everything is money and edification.
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Would it be possible to merge this with my campaign
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From my side it would even be a good thing to have all campaigns merged together and make it sticky so it stays at the top of the general board.
Any XDA-Board admin volunteer??
Thanks in advance
linuxcrash said:
From my side it would even be a good thing to have all campaigns merged together and make it sticky so it stays at the top of the general board.
Any XDA-Board admin volunteer??
Thanks in advance
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+1 on that
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Additional effect .....
Im expecting this is the right time to even go with this additional email campaign process. This should definitely give some boost now.
What do everyone think.
This solidifies my view that SE and Samsung are the only two mobile companies I can trust. That said, you never know...no one is 100% safe.
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toinkzzzz. what a evil company..
ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION Allows an application to access coarse (e.g., Cell-ID, WiFi) location
ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION Allows an application to access fine (e.g., GPS) location
ACCESS_LOCATION_EXTRA_COMMANDS Allows an application to access extra location provider commands
ACCESS_WIFI_STATE Allows applications to access information about Wi-Fi networks
BATTERY_STATS Allows an application to collect battery statistics
DUMP Allows an application to retrieve state dump information from system services.
GET_ACCOUNTS Allows access to the list of accounts in the Accounts Service
GET_PACKAGE_SIZE Allows an application to find out the space used by any package.
GET_TASKS Allows an application to get information about the currently or recently running tasks: a thumbnail representation of the tasks, what activities are running in it, etc.
READ_LOGS Allows an application to read the low-level system log files.
READ_SYNC_SETTINGS Allows applications to read the sync settings
READ_SYNC_STATS Allows applications to read the sync stats
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thats what the hack does .
is any of that worrying ? i dont care if some one finds out my gmail syncs every 15 min or if they now i have recharged my battery 500 times so far? or what cell phone tower or wi-fi im connected to?
like trying to over blow something much? problem yes but not the end of the world
I'm not denying this is bad, but I hardly think se is "trustworthy" with their amazing support track record... Lol
Oh we just put out a phone two months ago and we don't feel like updating it any more, so we won't!
I dont think thats the problem.
I think if HTC can do it somebody else can read out the phone's also.
Like passwords en other information.
There is a service on the phone where if you lose your phone you can remote locate it and wipe it.
I'd say these "apps" have something to do with that.
That's not what this app is for, it's specifically for HTC to get log information, probably for either remote support of their devices or when people send them to service centres. The problem with this is that they have left the whole interface totally open to any person or app that fancies having a look and gathering user data which probably will be sensitive.
Not at least securing it with basic authentication is just plain stupid. Although it would have to be more advanced than a simple user/pass.
Surprised that they haven't been taken to court on data protection issues. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see that coming fairly soon.
All they needed to do, would be to secure this app properly and encrypt the data its logging and they woulld be safe.
Sounds to me like the htc developers were told to implement it and had a very short turnaround to get it into the latest release. Hoping once again for obscurity, which in an open source project is daft!
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I'm not denying this is bad, but I hardly think se is "trustworthy" with their amazing support track record... Lol
Oh we just put out a phone two months ago and we don't feel like updating it any more, so we won't!
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Stop living in 2010...SE are a different company. In fact, they gave GB to the 1.5 year old X10 and they are supporting all new 2011 Xperias. Yes SE made a mistake but people learn from their mistakes and SE did.
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Stop living in 2010...SE are a different company. In fact, they gave GB to the 1.5 year old X10 and they are supporting all new 2011 Xperias. Yes SE made a mistake but people learn from their mistakes and SE did.
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Haha we'll see...
I bet x10 mini owners wouldn't agree with you.
They've been doing this same stuff for years.
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Haha we'll see...
I bet x10 mini owners wouldn't agree with you.
They've been doing this same stuff for years.
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That counts as 2010. All the original X10 branded devices and the X8. The new 2011 lineup has been maintained pretty well.
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That counts as 2010. All the original X10 branded devices and the X8. The new 2011 lineup has been maintained pretty well.
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So then it is ok for them not to correct that mistake?
Not doing anything about it is supposed to be evidence of changing?
Sorry but I don't get that..
scoobysnacks said:
So then it is ok for them not to correct that mistake?
Not doing anything about it is supposed to be evidence of changing?
Sorry but I don't get that..
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They are...just with the 2011 Xperia range. Why would they update such an 'old' phone? There's no reason to. The X10 they did because it was their flagship, the others were their sideline devices. Do I agree with them for not updating? No. But updating right now is kind of pointless...
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They are...just with the 2011 Xperia range. Why would they update such an 'old' phone? There's no reason to. The X10 they did because it was their flagship, the others were their sideline devices. Do I agree with them for not updating? No. But updating right now is kind of pointless...
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Lol
This kind of logic is pretty ridiculous IMO, and only leads to more "well they didn't upgrade the Neo because it isn't the arc", etc..
They should upgrade to keep customers as customers...
There are reasons they are doing pretty horribly, they don't have a very good reputation.
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Lol
This kind of logic is pretty ridiculous IMO, and only leads to more "well they didn't upgrade the Neo because it isn't the arc", etc..
They should upgrade to keep customers as customers...
There are reasons they are doing pretty horribly, they don't have a very good reputation.
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The phones are a year old...even HTC cut off support for the Desire, etc.
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The phones are a year old...even HTC cut off support for the Desire, etc.
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when they released it was already behind on 1.6..
Then they catch up (not even really) and turn around and stop updating..
I don't think se have proven to be trustworthy at all actually.
Like I said, we'll see.
The whole arc housing cracking and se refusing to take any responsibility doesn't show me a changed company either
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when they released it was already behind on 1.6..
Then they catch up (not even really) and turn around and stop updating..
I don't think se have proven to be trustworthy at all actually.
Like I said, we'll see.
The whole arc housing cracking and se refusing to take any responsibility doesn't show me a changed company either
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Since you're a SE hater even if they do take responsibility, you'll just complain again & say things like it's not genuine & they're doing it just to stay afloat... , Any company have its problems & dunno why you just bash SE, Motorola phones are locked down, HTC well this topic and not to mention their desire gb update , Samsung is doing good but even their best phone which is your favorite sg2 had problems like that yellow thing in screen like someone pissed under the lcd hehe so don't just bash SE and X10 for the sake of it
Lol guys.
Iridaki was right lol scoobysnacks now thinks that buying this Sony Ericsson phone was a bad mistake lol
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Since you're a SE hater even if they do take responsibility, you'll just complain again & say things like it's not genuine & they're doing it just to stay afloat... , Any company have its problems & dunno why you just bash SE, Motorola phones are locked down, HTC well this topic and not to mention their desire gb update , Samsung is doing good but even their best phone which is your favorite sg2 had problems like that yellow thing in screen like someone pissed under the lcd hehe so don't just bash SE and X10 for the sake of it
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whatever you want to think, i'm not a hater, i'm just not a fanboy either.
I have owned many brands of phones, but I felt the worst treatment from se.
Just my opinion, you're entitled to you're own as well. No need to get personal..
I do agree on some points with scooby, they have had a long history of sell it and forget it. But, they do seem to finally be realising that having great and stylish devices (even if the hardware has been a little okish instead of groundbreaking recently) isn't enough and they need to keep devices up to date and to engage with their customers.
You can tell they are changing with the single biggest thing they have done recently and supporting the FXP team with the tools to get full functions from their devices.
I know that doesn't help with us who have older devices, but by supporting FXP they are indirectly supporting the "other" 2010 models just in effect outsourcing the upkeep and ongoing development to the community who will support the devices until they are not in such widespread use.
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whatever you want to think, i'm not a hater, i'm just not a fanboy either.
I have owned many brands of phones, but I felt the worst treatment from se.
Just my opinion, you're entitled to you're own as well. No need to get personal..
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why personal? because I said you're a SE hater? you mean you aren't? I don't want to get personal or offend you, I just stated what I observed from reading your posts after you switched from X10, I bet you liked your X10 when you had it but know that you're moved to a better phone no need to use every single opportunity to bash SE & X10, Every time anyone says anything good about X10 you jump in with your "yeah, right, lol" attitude & try to make fun & bash SE & X10, I'm not a fanboy nor do I think it's the best phone out there & you have the right to express your opinion but you're trying hard to convince everyone here that SE & X10 is ****, Well I think most of us don't agree that it's **** & terrible & most of us know about its problems but like the phone & don't feel really good about just pointing out its cons over & over again
as for companies well imo none of them are really trustworthy, they're doing business & do it for money, None of them are charity or anything, so better to just judge them base on what they do & not why they do it