This solidifies my view that SE and Samsung are the only two mobile companies I can trust. That said, you never know...no one is 100% safe.
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toinkzzzz. what a evil company..
ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION Allows an application to access coarse (e.g., Cell-ID, WiFi) location
ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION Allows an application to access fine (e.g., GPS) location
ACCESS_LOCATION_EXTRA_COMMANDS Allows an application to access extra location provider commands
ACCESS_WIFI_STATE Allows applications to access information about Wi-Fi networks
BATTERY_STATS Allows an application to collect battery statistics
DUMP Allows an application to retrieve state dump information from system services.
GET_ACCOUNTS Allows access to the list of accounts in the Accounts Service
GET_PACKAGE_SIZE Allows an application to find out the space used by any package.
GET_TASKS Allows an application to get information about the currently or recently running tasks: a thumbnail representation of the tasks, what activities are running in it, etc.
READ_LOGS Allows an application to read the low-level system log files.
READ_SYNC_SETTINGS Allows applications to read the sync settings
READ_SYNC_STATS Allows applications to read the sync stats
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thats what the hack does .
is any of that worrying ? i dont care if some one finds out my gmail syncs every 15 min or if they now i have recharged my battery 500 times so far? or what cell phone tower or wi-fi im connected to?
like trying to over blow something much? problem yes but not the end of the world
I'm not denying this is bad, but I hardly think se is "trustworthy" with their amazing support track record... Lol
Oh we just put out a phone two months ago and we don't feel like updating it any more, so we won't!
I dont think thats the problem.
I think if HTC can do it somebody else can read out the phone's also.
Like passwords en other information.
There is a service on the phone where if you lose your phone you can remote locate it and wipe it.
I'd say these "apps" have something to do with that.
That's not what this app is for, it's specifically for HTC to get log information, probably for either remote support of their devices or when people send them to service centres. The problem with this is that they have left the whole interface totally open to any person or app that fancies having a look and gathering user data which probably will be sensitive.
Not at least securing it with basic authentication is just plain stupid. Although it would have to be more advanced than a simple user/pass.
Surprised that they haven't been taken to court on data protection issues. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see that coming fairly soon.
All they needed to do, would be to secure this app properly and encrypt the data its logging and they woulld be safe.
Sounds to me like the htc developers were told to implement it and had a very short turnaround to get it into the latest release. Hoping once again for obscurity, which in an open source project is daft!
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I'm not denying this is bad, but I hardly think se is "trustworthy" with their amazing support track record... Lol
Oh we just put out a phone two months ago and we don't feel like updating it any more, so we won't!
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Stop living in 2010...SE are a different company. In fact, they gave GB to the 1.5 year old X10 and they are supporting all new 2011 Xperias. Yes SE made a mistake but people learn from their mistakes and SE did.
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Stop living in 2010...SE are a different company. In fact, they gave GB to the 1.5 year old X10 and they are supporting all new 2011 Xperias. Yes SE made a mistake but people learn from their mistakes and SE did.
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Haha we'll see...
I bet x10 mini owners wouldn't agree with you.
They've been doing this same stuff for years.
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Haha we'll see...
I bet x10 mini owners wouldn't agree with you.
They've been doing this same stuff for years.
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That counts as 2010. All the original X10 branded devices and the X8. The new 2011 lineup has been maintained pretty well.
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That counts as 2010. All the original X10 branded devices and the X8. The new 2011 lineup has been maintained pretty well.
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So then it is ok for them not to correct that mistake?
Not doing anything about it is supposed to be evidence of changing?
Sorry but I don't get that..
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So then it is ok for them not to correct that mistake?
Not doing anything about it is supposed to be evidence of changing?
Sorry but I don't get that..
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They are...just with the 2011 Xperia range. Why would they update such an 'old' phone? There's no reason to. The X10 they did because it was their flagship, the others were their sideline devices. Do I agree with them for not updating? No. But updating right now is kind of pointless...
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They are...just with the 2011 Xperia range. Why would they update such an 'old' phone? There's no reason to. The X10 they did because it was their flagship, the others were their sideline devices. Do I agree with them for not updating? No. But updating right now is kind of pointless...
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Lol
This kind of logic is pretty ridiculous IMO, and only leads to more "well they didn't upgrade the Neo because it isn't the arc", etc..
They should upgrade to keep customers as customers...
There are reasons they are doing pretty horribly, they don't have a very good reputation.
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Lol
This kind of logic is pretty ridiculous IMO, and only leads to more "well they didn't upgrade the Neo because it isn't the arc", etc..
They should upgrade to keep customers as customers...
There are reasons they are doing pretty horribly, they don't have a very good reputation.
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The phones are a year old...even HTC cut off support for the Desire, etc.
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The phones are a year old...even HTC cut off support for the Desire, etc.
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when they released it was already behind on 1.6..
Then they catch up (not even really) and turn around and stop updating..
I don't think se have proven to be trustworthy at all actually.
Like I said, we'll see.
The whole arc housing cracking and se refusing to take any responsibility doesn't show me a changed company either
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when they released it was already behind on 1.6..
Then they catch up (not even really) and turn around and stop updating..
I don't think se have proven to be trustworthy at all actually.
Like I said, we'll see.
The whole arc housing cracking and se refusing to take any responsibility doesn't show me a changed company either
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Since you're a SE hater even if they do take responsibility, you'll just complain again & say things like it's not genuine & they're doing it just to stay afloat... , Any company have its problems & dunno why you just bash SE, Motorola phones are locked down, HTC well this topic and not to mention their desire gb update , Samsung is doing good but even their best phone which is your favorite sg2 had problems like that yellow thing in screen like someone pissed under the lcd hehe so don't just bash SE and X10 for the sake of it
Lol guys.
Iridaki was right lol scoobysnacks now thinks that buying this Sony Ericsson phone was a bad mistake lol
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Since you're a SE hater even if they do take responsibility, you'll just complain again & say things like it's not genuine & they're doing it just to stay afloat... , Any company have its problems & dunno why you just bash SE, Motorola phones are locked down, HTC well this topic and not to mention their desire gb update , Samsung is doing good but even their best phone which is your favorite sg2 had problems like that yellow thing in screen like someone pissed under the lcd hehe so don't just bash SE and X10 for the sake of it
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whatever you want to think, i'm not a hater, i'm just not a fanboy either.
I have owned many brands of phones, but I felt the worst treatment from se.
Just my opinion, you're entitled to you're own as well. No need to get personal..
I do agree on some points with scooby, they have had a long history of sell it and forget it. But, they do seem to finally be realising that having great and stylish devices (even if the hardware has been a little okish instead of groundbreaking recently) isn't enough and they need to keep devices up to date and to engage with their customers.
You can tell they are changing with the single biggest thing they have done recently and supporting the FXP team with the tools to get full functions from their devices.
I know that doesn't help with us who have older devices, but by supporting FXP they are indirectly supporting the "other" 2010 models just in effect outsourcing the upkeep and ongoing development to the community who will support the devices until they are not in such widespread use.
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whatever you want to think, i'm not a hater, i'm just not a fanboy either.
I have owned many brands of phones, but I felt the worst treatment from se.
Just my opinion, you're entitled to you're own as well. No need to get personal..
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why personal? because I said you're a SE hater? you mean you aren't? I don't want to get personal or offend you, I just stated what I observed from reading your posts after you switched from X10, I bet you liked your X10 when you had it but know that you're moved to a better phone no need to use every single opportunity to bash SE & X10, Every time anyone says anything good about X10 you jump in with your "yeah, right, lol" attitude & try to make fun & bash SE & X10, I'm not a fanboy nor do I think it's the best phone out there & you have the right to express your opinion but you're trying hard to convince everyone here that SE & X10 is ****, Well I think most of us don't agree that it's **** & terrible & most of us know about its problems but like the phone & don't feel really good about just pointing out its cons over & over again
as for companies well imo none of them are really trustworthy, they're doing business & do it for money, None of them are charity or anything, so better to just judge them base on what they do & not why they do it
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I'm a big SE fan, but this somehow makes me smile....
www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-0...e-world-s-largest-android-phone-supplier.html
Haha Darn! you beat me by a minute!
It'll be the Japanese market.. the X10 is more popular than air over there..!!!!
More like Android 1.6's largest handset maker
yeah and i want to become worlds greatest dictator
I wouldn't dismiss the idea that quickly. Here in Sweden SE is a very popular brand and by the looks of it they're popular in Japan as well. If they decide to go with Android on all their future phones and start marketing them more aggressively in the US they have a chance. They have the production capacity for it, they're well known and even if all models aren't fantastic there's no denying the build quality of their devices. Even though I've passed up SE phones because of their crappy software I've always been impressed by how well built and solid their phones feel.
With good marketing and if they get better at working on Android their chances are pretty good. They have the infrastructure to reach that goal, that goes a long way.
Yes, but you must agree that their android software department need to be improved in order to reach that goal...
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Yes, but you must agree that their android software department need to be improved in order to reach that goal...
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Agreed, but keep in mind that the X10 series is the first time SE has used it. I'd be more worried or surprised if there weren't any bumps in the road.
Just looking at the updates we've had so far they've improved a lot. Fixing the battery issue, improving the built-in software and so on.
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Agreed, but keep in mind that the X10 series is the first time SE has used it. I'd be more worried or surprised if there weren't any bumps in the road.
Just looking at the updates we've had so far they've improved a lot. Fixing the battery issue, improving the built-in software and so on.
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dude its not about flaws in their software ... its about how they handle it ...
the incall volume is so ****ed up for a lot of people - when you talk to the customer support they tell you something like this "for me its okay - if you dont like it you can send your phone in" their official support form is full with topics about it ... same goes for the standby time ... it says 17 days on their homepage ... i asked customer support about it and he told me my phone must be damaged - i can send it in ... (he also said he gets 3 days of standy - i am pretty sure it doesnt even last 17 days when you turn it completely off^^)
i knew the support would suck ... but the hardware is quite good (besides from the lack of multitouch) - i just bought it coz i have faith in the community that they ll release custom roms soon
SE has released only one(3 version of same) android phone in the market in past 2 years when HTC has released atleast 4 or 5 and plus they are upto 2.2 on most of their phones. I don't think SE can catch to them any time soon just based ads showing Timescape
SE ship twie the number of phones as compared to HTC having come down from a stage where they shipped 6x more phones. So they are pretty capable as we all know. Now with Sony into the mix, SE phones would have PS3 compatibility, remote play, access to Sonys own online store, access to more Sony brands like VAIO, BRAVIA, etc. Well..
Sony has been associated with Ericsson for ages (from an IT time perspective) so one would think they'd at least be nipping at Nokia's heels by now. But who knows? Maybe Android will be the push they need to pump some much needed energy in to the brand? Time will tell, as long as they don't ditch Android I'll stay satisfied.
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right 100%
Yeah that'll only happen if the secret owner of Sony Ericsson is Chuck Norris... cause only Chuck Norris can make that happen..! lol
They sure have the hardware capacity to get it done, but they are just so stupid and arrogant that I do not think it'll ever happen.
If they're serious, I'd swap in the current software department for some new blood.
It's really crazy how companies nowadays can't even get simple things done right.
As the old saying goes... "too many chiefs and not enough indians".
Until SE gets their act together and stops all the internal bickering and movement within the ranks, this will never be a realistic goal for them to achieve.
I think it's time we eased up on slamming SE. Since we don't actually know how the process works internally it's unpossible to tell if they're just lazy, they're still getting used to a new product line or any other unforeseen problem for that sake.
I intentionally refrain from calling them incompetent simply because my experiences with their products in the past has been great and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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I think it's time we eased up on slamming SE. Since we don't actually know how the process works internally it's unpossible to tell if they're just lazy, they're still getting used to a new product line or any other unforeseen problem for that sake.
I intentionally refrain from calling them incompetent simply because my experiences with their products in the past has been great and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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I agree with your statement. We don't really know the reason. I read it in some post somewhere else that it's ready, but they want to test it thoroughly before releasing to the general public...
Whoever is responsible for being so slow to update, I somehow doubt that it's their developers. They are just doing what they are told by management. If Sonys developers are anything like other software devs I know they are not too happy with releasing their product with 1.6 instead of 2.1 or 2.2...
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Impossimpable! (Hope someone gets it - HIMYM).
jk btw don't take badly
here appeard many posts like this and sadly I have to say that I want a different android phone, defenetly not SE. They are losing their customers.
What other phone would you recommend? I was thinking about milestone xt720. Maybe there is something more interesting?
Instead of spamming these boards, why don't you go to a board where you can get answers unobjectively. Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.
iead1 said:
Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.
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+1! I can understand the frustration, but don't get why people are selling their phones right now, that's just cutting your nose off to spite your face imo.
Well I got rid of mine because I've had enough of SE dragging their heels, I'm running 2.2 on my HD2 and its the best move I have made tbh.
I know SE already have my money, but I didn't see the point of sticking with something I wasn't happy with.
I know its only a phone at the end of the day and all the normal stuff worked, its just SE's policy on providing support, Ohh its ok the users who gave us there hard earned cash can wait for their update as we already have their cash.
I hope the devs can do somethin with the X10 as it is a cracking piece of kit and not worthy of running 1.6.
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Hows that desire HD rom
Here's a thought:
Instead of venting on this board where X10 users and hobbyist developers gather to exchange ideas why not send a wellformulated email to something like SE sales or SE's customer services? Most of us here have no connection to SE other than owning one of their phones. Some of us don't even have a choice and couldn't switch if we wanted to.
Coming here to vent won't really do anything other than piss people off which is kind of counter-productive. Even if some here agree with your views there's not a lot we can do other than trying to do the best we can with what we got.
If you hope to accomplish something or even get SE to recognize your problems then the best way is really to write a proper message to SE explaining your stance. It's a long-shot but there's always a chance that they will listen to the critique and act on it.
*****ing to us X10 users helps no one, most of us don't even care and it just takes up your time.
Just create a thread for all these complainers about leaving their phone yada yada yada. Simple.
I agree, if you don't like then leave and join other forum for the phone you want.
Most phone manufacturers are concern about making money and that is business so no choice.
Leave us alone here as there are some of us who still like our X10 including myself.
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Leave us alone here as there are some of us who still like our X10 including myself.
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Hear, hear. Even though we're stuck on 1.6 for now I still love the display and design of the hardware.
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Hear, hear. Even though we're stuck on 1.6 for now I still love the display and design of the hardware.
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Yes, we like and love the phone not because it has updated OS but it is the phone hardware and specs which makes us attracted to it.
Even if the phone is updated with the latest OS like 2.2 or even 3.0 but the outlook of the phone don't look nice or the specs of the hardware is not advance, holding the phone don't makes us feel good as well.
It is the same like cars, even though your car is powerful but the design of the car do not look good, less people will buy it.
Just my sharing.
kubbek said:
here appeard many posts like this and sadly I have to say that I want a different android phone, defenetly not SE. They are losing their customers.
What other phone would you recommend? I was thinking about milestone xt720. Maybe there is something more interesting?
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xt720 is nice but is older than X10.
Slowe CPU too.
And Motorola is locking their devices too.
If you want to switch, at least go to a HTC where you can play with them as much as you want.
The bad part, HTCs are ugly phones
I'm seling my X10 to go for a Captivate.
I know the camera is worse, but at least the bootloader is already hacked so CM6 is the way to go.
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xt720 is nice but is older than X10.
Slowe CPU too.
And Motorola is locking their devices too.
If you want to switch, at least go to a HTC where you can play with them as much as you want.
The bad part, HTCs are ugly phones
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Calling them ugly is a bit harsh imo, non-descript is a better name for it. They're basic and they don't stand out. They're sort of like the VW Passat, the design is perfectly fine but also very forgettable at the same time.
iead1 said:
Instead of spamming these boards, why don't you go to a board where you can get answers unobjectively. Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.
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Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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You're right. This board is for discussion. However, do they require a new thread each time?
Hmmm.. you guys obviously wouldn't care much assuming you don't donate to the board to help maintain it. I bet if you did you'd care much more about people who posts useless threads like this.
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Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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I'm pretty sure all the features that were promised on the the box are working fine. Don't get confused with the ramblings you hear on the internet, they are the wants of users, not the promises of se.
I want features such as froyo, 16 million colours, flash etc. as much as anyone, but such things were never promised. And lack of 16 million colours isn't aproblem, you would be hard pressed to see the difference, unless you have a fascination with looking at colour gradients. And no multitouch, even though it has been denied as a feature countless times is a blessing. If there was multitouch you can say goodbye to using the phone one handed. Multitouch gestures are stupid, pointless and annoying.
So if you want to sell your phone, then godspeed to you. But please don't complain to other users that enjoy theirphone, just because you didn't research properly what this phone is capable of.
No offence intended, this is an open discussion and that is my point of view, if you can show evidence of broken promises then be my guest. Delay in 2.1 update doesn't count, release dates for software slip, its a fact of life. Deal with it.
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Calling them ugly is a bit harsh imo, non-descript is a better name for it. They're basic and they don't stand out. They're sort of like the VW Passat, the design is perfectly fine but also very forgettable at the same time.
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IMO a dogs backside could design something more attractive than a desire lol
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Why do some people think others care if they got a new phone LOL. I bet the honeymoon will last no more then a few weeks with their new device, then they will complain about some issues they have with it.
Sony has made some stupid moves IMO but whatever company you go to the situation will be the same. At most you will get one major update and some bugfix updates.
I blew off alot of steam about how the 2.1 update wouldn't even include 16m colors...I then got really pissed about SE delaying our 2.1 update til October. I for sure said some things out of anger....but one thing I remember clearly is that I ditched a Nexus One running 2.2 (froyo) for my X10. I loved my Nexus One, it was truly amazing....but something about the X10 pulled me to it. I find with my X10 I love it more and enjoy it much more than the Nexus One. That said, I know SE pissed alot of people off..including myself....but there's no need to ditch a phone that you know you loved because SE delayed the update. Honestly look at it this way, is your phone going to die? will it not live for another month until 2.1? will you die? can you just give your phone the chance of running 2.1 before you are so quick to judge....maybe just MAYBE!! SE are being secretive about something in the update...maybe not. But I have a damn good feeling when 2.1 drops to the X10 some people will be coming back to it....because SE will get there **** together and really deliver on this. If im wrong, then you can flame me. People have just a little more patience for the update.
just my two cents
NightSidew1nd3r;
So if you want to sell your phone said:
Well firstly he's not specifically aiming it at people who are happy with their phone, cox there are many who are unhappy.
And research properly before you buy?- like I replied to another SE fanboy on another thread, I bought my phone in March and SE did not make anything clear when phone releasing the phone- everything was rumours. And at that time all mobile phone sources were hinting an update to 2.1 before summer.
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i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
think of it..
they build great hype for a product months before the launch by strong advertising (probably spending more on ads than R&D itself) , promising a revolutionary interface with ground breaking custom interfaces....X panels for X1 (remember?) and timescape/mediascape (biggest garbage) for X10 ..both over-ambitious
just so they can differentiate from other companies..
ya they have great product design.. which initially attracts impulse buyers...they build anticipation...so we cant wait to get our hands on their phone!
and then they finally launch the product which will NEVER have the latest updates because their entire focus was on marketing the product i.e bringing it to market before competition and capturing market share.
they never really focussed on industry shaking R&D like Apple..c'mon without Apple, touchscreen was a dead market.
and without Android...Apple had a monopoly.
This is revolution....not timescape or mediascape..which are my least favourite apps...battery sucking with extremely slow response rates.
then they ll keep launching small small updates over couple of months...more like over a year...adding little features..so we dont change brand loyalty....giving the wounded customers a faint vision of hope...
finally they release a small update and the entire community goes 'wow' with excitement...like a virgin getting his first blowjob.
by that time..the phone has suffered scratches, has started showing signs of wear..which means very low re-sale value.
and meanwhile announcement for newer model is made...slimmer, sexier with more bugs which will be fixed via update over the next upcoming year.
good strategy for a short-term profit making....but they are losing brand loyalty.
i am not gonna buy SE Xperia Arc...ya its the sexiest phone on the market.
but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
/rant
its like they keep us jumping over small small updates like a cat does to a string which the master will never let it catch.
but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
epic comment
well it's true and from your perspective which one is better?
i know getting a big income is the main focus of any company but hey customers loyalty also counts. it's something i hate from sony in general, they keep pushing new tech every year and let the customer to feel outdated
Epic thread.
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Couldn't have said it better myself, spot on mate!
Swyped from my ZDZ Froyo X10i
bang on, while i am happy with my x10 as it was my first droid comming from a long **** list of wm devices, i am also not going to be sticking with se, already contemplating the droid 2 global, yes se makes sexy phones but, im looking for something a little more with my next device.
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Funny thread
so what do you think about HTC's strategy with Desire ( Desire/HD/Z )
Just because they released a better handset after a year of the previous handset's release it doesn't mean that they do not care about brand loyalty...
so what? you want them to stick with the X10 for two years while other competitors advance with technology????
believe it or not, many will buy the ARC, even more that who bought the X10...
Next time, go buy an HTC or Motorola
and by the way, Samsung is locking their bootloader so do not buy a Samsung android so you won't end up whining like many here about unlocking it, unless you like samsung
but despite all that, I would like to thank you for the effort made by you to explain what many of us are not aware of.. it's a good practice for your uni
good luck mate with your studies
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i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
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Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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iead1 said:
Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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Grammar and syntax of the English language is not the point of XDA in MHO...
Very well written, kudos to you Nocturnal310...
@Nocturnal310:
Of course you're right. But as someone said before, you could say this about any company producing technical stuff and you would be right as well. (I expect some very negative comments on what I'm about to say...). I understand your point, but I just don't think that SE is somehow different in their approach from any other company producing consumer goods (is that right? stuff which are bought in great numbers just to be replaced by newer models...you know, we have to watch out for our English, right iead1? ). Thats quite important because we just can't expect infinite support for our product, because sooner or later (the former is more probable) it will get replaced with brand new model with brand new stuff inside making it lot more attractive. The only thing we can complain about is, that the support may have last longer... thats true. But despite all of that, I'm still not changing the brand loyalty as I just dont know what else should I buy next time. I dont like Apple and their iStuff, also don't like HTCs because of how they look. Samsung is an option, but if I should choose between Samsung and SE just by looking at the phones, SE would definitely win (and with Samsung locking their bootloaders as well, I wouldn't help myself much by buying it). You may call me a hardcore fan of SE who doesn't think about what he's buying, but thats not me. I just think that X10 was an unfortunate mistake (which I personally still love!) of SE and I really hope they will learn from it for the reasons mentioned above.
Thats my opinion and I do not force anyone to share it, but I wanted to say it, because I just don't uderstand all that poeople saying how betrayed they feel by SE.
i think SE`s problem is that they don`t really know what they do,at least so far.
they use UIQ for a while then they leave it.
they use win mo,but after x1 and x2 they desided to go for android.
but now Android is very good platform and they should find their way.i hope so.
their main mistake is that they don`t care about customers and the weak points of their products.
I must add my mustard ...
There was a time long ago, Sony Ericsson created really nice phones with a solid build quality. My x10 is 3 weeks old and is making crazy noises when twisted a bit. The whole frame is not stiff enough.
If I saw it right on arc video presentations at youtube, the crappy timescape is now a widget and it is still choppy. This uggly blue is still there. Why blue? SE colors are Green and Orange. What a bunch of stupid designers ... I think w'll have a lot of alternatives out there with lesser crappy UI-Mods.
Well, I agree with most of your points, but let's remember: they're not ceasing support, they're launching a new model and planningto lock x10 customers in outdated Android. Motorola intended to do that too, but customers did such a big buzz that they changed their minds. The bull**** about low performance on Android 2.2 is already discarded, we can see that on all the unofficially built ROMs available at xda-forums. I risk to say that even Google has his part on this entire drama. Obviously, Sony Ericsson and their UXP loaded with much more processing hunger than x10 can support is the one we should blame, because we chose to buy SE, not Google devices (which are HTC, actually ). The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
I truly hope no one takes my comments personally, since I'm just expressing my opinion as a SE consumer. I still like them, but not how they use my money.
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Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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They say a lot. Saying and doing are not the same.
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The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
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I think they removed the mediascape app because it was so hard to new people to find the music player and photo gallery.
just think about it:
you have a new phone, and you would like to play some music, you first go to the music player but you can't find it because there is no music icon on the menu
Grab a samsung phone and try to play some music, the player is called "Music", the video player is "Videos" and the gallery is "Gallery"
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Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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You are comparing with 2 companies with different calibers.
Apple - every designer/ad agency/design house/design school in this world purchase their 'godly' machines for work purposes. And these macs don't come cheap, mind you. With that amount of revenue, they can afford to create an iPhone, using their 'lagless' (yeah, right) macintosh reputations to breed a colony of iZombies to support their cause.
With the iZombies having the need to own a iAmagodlyproduct, with such supporters pumping money into their pockets, they can afford to offset any losses by being nice to
Update old iPhones even if new models are out, cos they know iZombies are already impressed with them playing the nice card and that they are confident that with their good reputation and a better new phone out, A majority of iZombies who have too much money to spare will still buy it. They are just giving an aww-I understand-you-can't-afford-a-new-phone-yet-so-I-will-update-you-periodically-so-that-you-will-come-back-to-me-when-you-have-money message to the poorer parties.
Now for Sony Ericsson (or just insert any other brand names). Let me ask you. Though they are an established brand, but let me ask you, how many people will own 1 of those expensive TVs or VAIOS? Comparing with Apple, no competition.
They don't have that much extra revenue to play nice. They can only strategize and try to earn as such as possible before their products become obsolete.
It's just like people like Donald Trump, who has so much money to play with, he can just give away to some random person on the street if he wants to. But if you try doing up a business yourself, would you give away your money to charity organizations, knowing that you cannot afford to spend the money that way? Most probably not. Unless you don't mind closing down your business due to losses.
All these threads are getting sooooooo repetitive!!! There should be one big sticky for anyone who wants to ***** and complain in any way shape and form about SE. That way this form isn't flooded with every thread turning into a SE bashing thread. It really is getting tiring logging on to see what's new and the first 50 threads are people *****in about SE.
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Lonelee - agree with much of what you say.. but it is also true that there are many many many people who go back time and time again to buy the next apple product BECAUSE they know that Apple will not leave the OS lagging behind on the old device when a new one comes out.. it's spectacularly good brand loyalty. SE (and many other) are taking a very short term view, and a missing a great opportunity to get us all on the hook for the next product..
In the UK for example, many phones bought on contract are free with a 2 yr contract tie in.. so if I know that they will look after me for 2 years, then I'll go back for more.. my contract's not due until Feb 2012.. so I'm eagerly awaiting to see their behaviour over the next 12 months!
well I m back on XDA after exiting from blackberry platform...blackberry provided me a stable messaging device for a while but as needs changed, it was very poor for browsing and getting work with attachments done.
i was at a party few weeks ago and my friend took out his Xperia Z claiming this is the best camera phone.
to his disappointment, it was the darkest blurriest pic i have seen whereas my lumia 920 took a pic with DSLR-like clarity and image characteristics.
i am not sure how much sony has improved but seems like they are still a market follower and using marketing dollars to brag about their phones that do not perform as advertised.
after having wasted my student savings on 2 of their phones, I regret and wish I had bought a better phone for my first android experience.
product lifecycle
Hi,
I am not sure if I should blame any company for moving to newer (and maybe better) products. In the android phone market we have the nearly unique situation to be able to get our hands and minds at the software which is driving the product, at least partly.
This is quite different from cars or coffeemakers.
What I would like to from Sony is that when they decide to abandon a product (eg X10), they open up the sources of drivers etc, so that interested people can maintain their products for themselves.
I can understand that they wont open up the sources for current products.
A.
I have begun posting comments every time I find an article on SonyEricsson's Xperia arc advising consumers looking for phones to take into consideration SE's current history of updates for the existing Xperia X10 series which are all still under contract. If a lot of us just continue doing this, then SonyEricsson will see these comments -- and consumers will think twice about getting a SE phone when there are other choices available.
Below is what I wrote on a couple of recent articles on the Xperia arc. Please feel free to amend this to suit your purposes. Also, please improve on my attempt and post your scripts for other people to post -- and provide links to some of the high traffic sites. Because SonyEricsson really is demonstrating its commitment now, spreading these messages really does have promise to force SonyEricsson to change course -- if they want to continue selling phones!
With contracts being typically 2 years, SonyEricsson's decision to abandon updates to the Xperia X10 series in less than one year is disgraceful, especially with the benefits of 2.2 (adobe flash, install to SD, processor optimizations, etc.).
And with SonyEricsson demonstrating this attitude with the existing, high-performance Xperia X10 series (which is more than capable of running 2.2, 2.3, and later), why would anyone trust them to do any different on the new Xperia arc?
The meaning of SonyEricsson's choices now are obvious to informed consumers: if you want to get the improvements to your phone that come from new versions of android, avoid SonyEricsson. HTC and others have a *much better* track record for providing updates to their customers.
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omg, people are tired of this ****.
/Close thread please.
Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions?
They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that.
If we just sit here and take it, then SE will be content to dish it out. If, otoh, we even appear to be able to dissuade new customers from going with SE, then they will support us because it is in SE's interest.
That. is. simple.
Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?
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Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?
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Pretty much this. I'm all for complaining, but if you want up-to-date software, you have two choices: iphone or nexus.
I don't think that it's wasted effort to complain. How else would companies know how to service their customers better? Personally, I've given up on pretty much every manufacturer. As much as I hate apple, I'm pretty tempted to get an iphone if they were compatible with T-mobile's 3g just for the continued support because I'm not super happy with the design of the nexus line.
i try to do this in many facebook post under SE`s pages.
it better than nothing
Great another idiotic thread.
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iead1 said:
Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions?
They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that.
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Old phone?
It was launched in March 2010.
the funniest thing about these threads are the people that go on to say... "Great another idiotic thread"
or
"Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions? They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that."
If you really think these things are that stupid, why do you even bother clicking on them when it clearly states what the thread is about... in this case anyway. Are you guys really that big of losers in life that you can't go by on the internet without clicking every single thread or do you just have that much time on your hands?
Either way i am sure some of us have come to a conclusion as to who the actual "idiot" or "braindead" is.
Oh and may i suggest some charity work if you have too much time on your hands?
Not a bad intention, but all these efforts are useless to "fight" against this. SE won't do things in the way people want. None of the other companies either will.
So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again, and you'll be happy too 'cause you'll be in the top of the trend and with a phone with Gingerbread, the newest Android version. END.
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Seriously, this has been discussed enough already.
I agree the entitlement generation needs to stop crying. However, threads like this one offer a solution to the problem, which I would support. Freedom of speech has been effective in creating change all over the world and throughout history. You cant change anything if you don't try. Those of you who post to close this thread are doing the same thing, just counterproductive.
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just why bother? if they did (for whatever reason) decide to release a SE 2.2 or above, it would be so full of bloatware that any benefit would be gone anyway. ive been running zdzihu's 2.2 froyo ROM for ages on mine, and there is a 2.3 gingerbread ROM that Jerpelea has made out even. Yes they are beta, or even alpha, but even if SE said yep we are doing it, they would take another 6 months to get it out - dont you think the custom 2.2, 2.3 would be just about perfect by then?
support the DEVS, not the global companies
stuff SE - i hate there roms anyway!
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Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?
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define old phones
if you say a 3 years old phone ok then it's ok not a phone with less thn 1 year of life span
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define old phones
if you say a 3 years old phone ok then it's ok not a phone with less thn 1 year of life span
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This device is good. It's freakin sexy. It's capable of running Froyo and Gingerbread. Until the new SE devices come out, this is their flagship phone.
I repeat, this phone is sexy, even next to the Arc, it still looks sexy and relevant. The innards are still relevant.
I don't understand why it's being treated like the SE bastard child.
We're in the driver's seat. Why not grab the wheel?
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I don't understand why it's being treated like the SE bastard child.
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Because SonyEricsson is gambling they can get away with it.
The mass of users typically just complain to each other after they've already got the device and seen its limitations. "I'll never buy another one of their products!" But that is where it ends. Flashy ads for new products can overcome that kind of friction from scattered individuals.
But SonyEricsson needs good press to sell their new phones, and if the current users of SE phones are telling everyone in the venues promoting the new phones how SE is refusing to update what they have now, potential customers will be turned away.
Maybe this hasn't happened before because there was no android OS to make this all so transparent. Now it is easy for everyone to understand. New customers and old all speak the same language: android! If SE has current devices that are technically capable and they aren't keeping them up to date, why would they do so with their next device? They won't. The arc still has the Timescape and Mediascape cruft that is making the updates so hard; that hasn't changed. And the arc is going to have a single-core processor when the competitors will be pushing out phones with dual-cores. SE will predictably move from the arc as soon as they can and shift all their focus to the next phone. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
SE is in a pattern of peddling near non-update-able phones. We just have to say that often enough, and they will change -- period.
And with the limited number of high-volume review sites, just one person would make a difference. A dozen or so posting thoughtful messages would be able to keep the issue visible on all the top-tier sites. A few hundred customers searching and posting just a few times a week each would keep the issue front and center on virtually every site of importance to SonyEricsson. SE would hope the protest would fizzle. But why would we undercut ourselves like lead1, "They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that" and caifanX10, "So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again"?
The kind of protest I'm talking about here is easy to do; it has motivated, dissatisfied customers steaming now; and SE can't really get around it. We are in charge; we merely need to do something.
this is a young phone (less than a year old) with old software (more than a year old OS)
I agree with the Update, some products are still on support after several years on the market, the idea of support is to patch the vulnerabilities and improve the overall performance. If SE can do it with available Android OS why not?
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Because SonyEricsson is gambling they can get away with it.
The mass of users typically just complain to each other after they've already got the device and seen its limitations. "I'll never buy another one of their products!" But that is where it ends. Flashy ads for new products can overcome that kind of friction from scattered individuals.
But SonyEricsson needs good press to sell their new phones, and if the current users of SE phones are telling everyone in the venues promoting the new phones how SE is refusing to update what they have now, potential customers will be turned away.
Maybe this hasn't happened before because there was no android OS to make this all so transparent. Now it is easy for everyone to understand. New customers and old all speak the same language: android! If SE has current devices that are technically capable and they aren't keeping them up to date, why would they do so with their next device? They won't. The arc still has the Timescape and Mediascape cruft that is making the updates so hard; that hasn't changed. And the arc is going to have a single-core processor when the competitors will be pushing out phones with dual-cores. SE will predictably move from the arc as soon as they can and shift all their focus to the next phone. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
SE is in a pattern of peddling near non-update-able phones. We just have to say that often enough, and they will change -- period.
And with the limited number of high-volume review sites, just one person would make a difference. A dozen or so posting thoughtful messages would be able to keep the issue visible on all the top-tier sites. A few hundred customers searching and posting just a few times a week each would keep the issue front and center on virtually every site of importance to SonyEricsson. SE would hope the protest would fizzle. But why would we undercut ourselves like lead1, "They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that" and caifanX10, "So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again"?
The kind of protest I'm talking about here is easy to do; it has motivated, dissatisfied customers steaming now; and SE can't really get around it. We are in charge; we merely need to do something.
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How do you expect anyone to believe or support someone who doesn't know what he's talking about?
There will be NO mediascape in ARC
SINGLE-CORE is available in GOOGLE's FLAGSHIP, so any dual-core is just to attract people who are easy to attract with the ( 4G-dualcore ) stuff
Have you actually seen the changes made in the ARC?
2.2 is a waste of time
shonangreg said:
I have begun posting comments every time I find an article on SonyEricsson's Xperia arc advising consumers looking for phones to take into consideration SE's current history of updates for the existing Xperia X10 series which are all still under contract. If a lot of us just continue doing this, then SonyEricsson will see these comments -- and consumers will think twice about getting a SE phone when there are other choices available.
Below is what I wrote on a couple of recent articles on the Xperia arc. Please feel free to amend this to suit your purposes. Also, please improve on my attempt and post your scripts for other people to post -- and provide links to some of the high traffic sites. Because SonyEricsson really is demonstrating its commitment now, spreading these messages really does have promise to force SonyEricsson to change course -- if they want to continue selling phones!
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How about you get a part time job and spend your time earning some money instead? Then you could buy what ever phone you like.
HYPER-X10 said:
How about you get a part time job and spend your time earning some money instead? Then you could buy what ever phone you like.
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The OP is offering a constructive alternative to the whining going on at xda. Here we are whining amongst ourselves. Whiners whining about the whiners. This offers an outlet for the frustrations of those let down by SE, that would reduce the whining on xda, and potentially effect SE in some way.
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Well, now that we've gotten 2.3 which is nice and all.
It's wellmade and all... But one thing strikes me as.. quite odd...
Remember when 2.2 roms was beginning to pop up and how people showed to SE
that hey, 2.2 WAS possible and it ran much better than their 2.1, despite their claim that it wouldnt... And SE's answer was that we wernt REALLY running Froyo, we were just using Froyo system, backported to the Eclair kernel... Now with 2.3 released. SE is doing the same? Yet now, when they do it, it's actually Gingerbread? Or have I missed something major? Im not in any way unhappy about SE releasing 2.3, dont get me wrong here.. Just finding it quite odd how a company like SE can claim it's not really froyo when XDA devs do it.. And then turn around, do it themself and claim that now it's real.
Essentially SE have proved that they excel at talking out of their own anus and wouldn't know honesty if it punched them in the face.
I was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday.
But I've been thinking for a while that SE talk out of their ass Cox when rikard said about 16m colours not being implemented coz of "too much redevelopment" which is bull coz they were developing a new os anyway but hey what can we do?
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Unfortunately there's not much we can do.
Sony probably thought that if they delay 2.3 people will jump to Arc and the rest, but realized that since many people had the X10 - they needed to save the face and act like they were in trouble.
However, the phones are not extraordinary - I find Arc buttons unappealing (1mm below and they would have been pointing down, hard for my big fingers to reach them). The others are big and clunky..
HTC is no better, you have 7 buttons to press at the bottom, 4 virtual on the phone case, 3 software on top. I have colleagues which own HTC phones for half an year and more, and they still get confused what to press when they want to show something on the phone.
Samsung and the blunder with S2 screens (yellow patch, or either too yellow color temperature) or with the battery heating etc.
Android itself is not a mature OS (I mean is stable), but after having Symbian, Windows and Android, Android gives me the impression that you have to work a lot around the software so that you can get cool things done (or nice integrations). On WM6 it showed the weather if you wanted to make an appointment - so that you know. People like it because they believe its free, but it comes with a price, you give valuable information to Google about your habits and they can sell it for much money probably that you get by having some nice apps.
And so on.
I wish Leica would build mobile phones
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Unfortunately there's not much we can do.
Sony probably thought that if they delay 2.3 people will jump to Arc and the rest, but realized that since many people had the X10 - they needed to save the face and act like they were in trouble.
However, the phones are not extraordinary - I find Arc buttons unappealing (1mm below and they would have been pointing down, hard for my big fingers to reach them). The others are big and clunky..
HTC is no better, you have 7 buttons to press at the bottom, 4 virtual on the phone case, 3 software on top. I have colleagues which own HTC phones for half an year and more, and they still get confused what to press when they want to show something on the phone.
Samsung and the blunder with S2 screens (yellow patch, or either too yellow color temperature) or with the battery heating etc.
Android itself is not a mature OS (I mean is stable), but after having Symbian, Windows and Android, Android gives me the impression that you have to work a lot around the software so that you can get cool things done (or nice integrations). On WM6 it showed the weather if you wanted to make an appointment - so that you know. People like it because they believe its free, but it comes with a price, you give valuable information to Google about your habits and they can sell it for much money probably that you get by having some nice apps.
And so on.
I wish Leica would build mobile phones
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I've been thinking about my privacy since Google is known for stealing their users info. And yeah, Android is far from complete, rapid development shows it all.
I wondered why it ran like ****, and I knew it was too good to be true that SE would finally unleash the full potential of the X10.
I've had my X10 for 15 months now, and only 9 months to go until my contract ends. It will be the last SE phone I ever get, and I repeatedly tell anybody who asks to avoid SE phones like the plague.
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It was possible for SE because they patched the old kernel to work with GB. If you can see the kernel version that is only possible for SE since they might have modified since they have Bootloader access. We would have got much better phones only if BL was unlocked. I.e We could have changed Kernel versions.
For SE possibilities are endless because the have all the sources and they havent released it
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Unfortunately there's not much we can do.
Sony probably thought that if they delay 2.3 people will jump to Arc and the rest, but realized that since many people had the X10 - they needed to save the face and act like they were in trouble.
However, the phones are not extraordinary - I find Arc buttons unappealing (1mm below and they would have been pointing down, hard for my big fingers to reach them). The others are big and clunky..
HTC is no better, you have 7 buttons to press at the bottom, 4 virtual on the phone case, 3 software on top. I have colleagues which own HTC phones for half an year and more, and they still get confused what to press when they want to show something on the phone.
Samsung and the blunder with S2 screens (yellow patch, or either too yellow color temperature) or with the battery heating etc.
Android itself is not a mature OS (I mean is stable), but after having Symbian, Windows and Android, Android gives me the impression that you have to work a lot around the software so that you can get cool things done (or nice integrations). On WM6 it showed the weather if you wanted to make an appointment - so that you know. People like it because they believe its free, but it comes with a price, you give valuable information to Google about your habits and they can sell it for much money probably that you get by having some nice apps.
And so on.
I wish Leica would build mobile phones
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I lold at your comment for a while.
If you don't like ARC, that's your choice but what does a hardware button has to do with android OS?
Android itself is not a mature OS (I mean is stable), but after having Symbian, Windows and Android, Android gives me the impression that you have to work a lot around the software so that you can get cool things done (or nice integrations). On WM6 it showed the weather if you wanted to make an appointment - so that you know. People like it because they believe its free, but it comes with a price, you give valuable information to Google about your habits and they can sell it for much money probably that you get by having some nice apps.
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OMG. Really?
I've used every OS out there,Android,Symbian,iOS,Bada OS and even OS that runs with Java support and I call you. Android is the best OS we have now.
Did you say android ain't stable? You joking right? If you use right tweaks and correct adjustments you'll see where android takes you. android has the best customizations ever. If you use something like iOS you'll see you're limited in resources like ex: overclocking which can be done on android.
WM6 is one of the crappiest OS's Ive seen. (HTC HD2) and I gotta tell you it has got nothing. No innovation nor whatsoever. Heck it does not even have Real Multi tasking (It's been implemented in orange lol).
Android currently the major and the top OS's out there and if you say it's not good either you need to check your mobile (for hardware problems) or you must be an iOS fanboy
No disrespect meant but this was my honest review.
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@OP:
It was possible for SE because they patched the old kernel to work with GB. If you can see the kernel version that is only possible for SE since they might have modified since they have Bootloader access. We would have got much better phones only if BL was unlocked. I.e We could have changed Kernel versions.
For SE possibilities are endless because the have all the sources and they havent released it
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Since SE have the codes for the bootloader, they can release using any kernel they wished really... That wasnt the point though... The diffrence in the kernelversions between the two is quite minimal anyway... But I do find it intresting that SE was saying how we wernt at all running Froyo then, yet now are saying they've released Gingerbread... One or the other cannot possibly be true... Either this isnt truly Gingerbread, or we were truly running Froyo (and gingerbread) before this and not just backported parts of those. Personally, I dont really care which as Im less intrested in questions of "what is this" and more intrested in "what can this do?", and as it stands, SEs gingerbread, offers alot that XDAs devs have not been able to do yet, such as a fully working camera with the gingerbread system. Makes me wonder though... Do SE spokespeople even remember what they've said about the custom roms? Or are they simply hoping that users wouldnt notice? :/
The problem is that different people make decisions and different people are communicating them. PR people chose bad arguments because they were not expecting something will change in the future.
In business everything is about managing resources. SE were always perfectionists regarding releasing firmwares. Their firmwares are most stable in the business. There are usually only a few bugs that get fixed most of the time. Issues that SE had not fixed to date are probably hardware related. 3G battery drain and low in-call volume most probably depend on drivers, phone chips and operator hardware interactions as not everyone is experiencing them.
With such an approach SE devs are very slow compared to devs here at XDA. They also have more phones to manage at the same time so their management has to prioritize their time. This concludes into decisions that some functions can't be worked on the phones that are not the core of SE business anymore.
As most customers would not understand real reasons PR people have to choose more acceptable arguments to serve them. PR team should have chosen more bullet-proof arguments in the early X10 days. There has been a change in recent communication though.
Lately SE has been very open about the reasons for the company decisions on X10. It is just not 100% effective as usual customer do not care for the company. Customers have just their own needs and expectations. That is natural.
SE found ingenious solution for this problem. They worked on bootloader unlocking possibility for their new phone range so community devs have better access to the phone hardware. This way the community would do what they do not have time to do.
On X10 unlocking bootloader is unfortunately not possible because SE are using licenses that are binding them to protect some parts of the phone. 2011 phones were built with this option in mind hence it is possible there.
Disclaimer: I do not work for SE. I am part of a damage control team at telecommunications company and coordinating communication between our partners, suppliers and customers is my everyday job.
They don't talk nonsense, it was just a deliberate attempt to mislead. Something they have quite a reputation for.
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i think Dante-fu has pretty much hit the nail on the head. the people who make the press statements arent the people who make the firmware and updates. they dont have a dozen guys in white coats working tirelessly on one single rom and then leaving the lab to make an update based on their progress. theyve got 1000s of roms and updates to make, with sometimes a 100 versions per model of phone.. a seperate department is responsible for press releases based on their progress.
i just dont think its as cut and dry as saying.. sony said this and now theyre liars. theyre not one person, its bad enough with the small company im with, people talking about stuff they dont know or being contradicted by new facts they werent aware of. sony are 10000 times bigger and worldwide. maybe they where just plain wrong the first time and XDA showed them how to do somethign they didnt think they could do. wouldnt be the first time. they should follow samsungs lead (when they sent out the galaxy 2 to cyanogenmod) and send a few models to people on xda to play with. i reckon they could get a lot of bugs and upgrades sorted quicker by putting out a bounty to the worldwide community. would save them a lot of money in the long run lol.
zodiac100 said:
They don't talk nonsense, it was just a deliberate attempt to mislead. Something they have quite a reputation for.
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doing a little mind-reading on the side?
in the end SE gave us what we want 2.3.3. so they respect customers and we should be thankfull cause they're not forced to.. and talking about the hardware .maybe samsung or htc or even Iphone is better in specs . but the build quality of SE is awesome. that's why i'm a SE fan . btw i used smartphones since I-mate and O2
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@OP:
I've used every OS out there,Android,Symbian,iOS,Bada OS and even OS that runs with Java support and I call you. Android is the best OS we have now.
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No way I'm an Apple fan boy . I've never bought Apple things in my life.
However, about Android - I sure hope you have tried programming all the OS that you mention - I tried both Symbian (standard C++) as well as Qt, Windows Mobile and Android (check my signature). Among all, Android is weird within (maybe towards the users it might look ok, but users don't care).
Objects that disappear (think broadcastreceivers) ? Activities restarted on screen rotate ? It's Java, but it acts weird - you receive objects, but not those that you believe. Also, memory management in Android is like every girl's reality strike - aggressive doesn't mean good.
In Windows mobile at least you had the plain old canvas, your objects that you left there from last run, etc. The problem was that the hardware they chosen was bad and slow - Android is fast, but I think it will struggle in the future - and they just allowed segmentation, different .apks for different type of devices - the J2ME way .... We'll see.
Guys be happy, you got your update! Now enjoy it.
Well, at least SE did something,
This phone is still much batter than so many others.
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On X10 unlocking bootloader is unfortunately not possible because SE are using licenses that are binding them to protect some parts of the phone. 2011 phones were built with this option in mind hence it is possible there.
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I agree with most of what you said... But this part, simply makes no sense... Look.
Prior to android entering the market, SE was one of the biggest players on the market. When android was released, companies that had been quite small in the phone area, was suddenly rising, but by comparison, still smaller. By the time SE released their X10 series, SE was still, one of the major players on the market. Now, minor players, managed to release phones, without locked bootloaders, without a problem, but SE does? Now, do tell me which friggin fantasy world you're living in, where SE as one of the biggest players on the market, have LESS power over the telcos, than tiny newcomers? In the real world, things like that simply dont happen. SE could have had an unlocked bootloader had they wanted to. They dont but that's fine IMO... It was well known that it was locked when it was released and so on. As I've said all along, I just find this hipocrisy to be intresting... Not wrong exactly, just intresting.
I believe that even before X10 was finished - they probably had the other ongoing projects that were meant to catch up with the competition:
a) developers were moved to those new projects leaving X10 unattended
b) hopes were that they will convince people that X10 is good enough by the time they put Play / Arc out, etc.
But unfortunately, the market starts to behave smarter I think. You can't treat people bad, and this shows in sales of Samsung / HTC, the rest (Sony/Nokia) aren't doing great. Apple is also scared, so it sues everything it can - remember the rumor of the russian guy Eldar, Samsung wants to put something out in few months - and Apple is scared not to loose the edge.
I appreciate Sony for not giving up on old phones (not like Nokia did ARRRGGGGHHHH) but I do believe there is a moment when you can say "too late". For me, I prefer to see what Samsung comes up with - for now, X10 is smooth enough...
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I agree with most of what you said... But this part, simply makes no sense... Look.
Prior to android entering the market, SE was one of the biggest players on the market. When android was released, companies that had been quite small in the phone area, was suddenly rising, but by comparison, still smaller. By the time SE released their X10 series, SE was still, one of the major players on the market. Now, minor players, managed to release phones, without locked bootloaders, without a problem, but SE does? Now, do tell me which friggin fantasy world you're living in, where SE as one of the biggest players on the market, have LESS power over the telcos, than tiny newcomers? In the real world, things like that simply dont happen. SE could have had an unlocked bootloader had they wanted to. They dont but that's fine IMO... It was well known that it was locked when it was released and so on. As I've said all along, I just find this hipocrisy to be intresting... Not wrong exactly, just intresting.
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X10 was SE's first android handset. They wanted it on big carrier so they partnered with AT&T. Regardles the fact that SE mentioned legal issues specifically we all know what is AT&T capable of.
They held the iphone users from the whole world hostage for over a year. It was because of them the rest of the world couldn't send MMS, tether their connectivity or download apps like skype from the app store.
In this case I trust SE. AT&T surely bound even their soul.They partnered with devil. And their financial situation was already bad at that point.
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X10 was SE's first android handset. They wanted it on big carrier so they partnered with AT&T. Regardles the fact that SE mentioned legal issues specifically we all know what is AT&T capable of.
They held the iphone users from the whole world hostage for over a year. It was because of them the rest of the world couldn't send MMS, tether their connectivity or download apps like skype from the app store.
In this case I trust SE. AT&T surely bound even their soul.They partnered with devil. And their financial situation was already bad at that point.
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An SE partnership with AT&T would affect no other handset, except the AT&T ones... Also, SE doesnt play "the partner game" like Apple does. AT&T is just like any other telco in the eyes of SE.. Bigger yes, but no diffrent.