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Seems like a great time to start comparing.
Im very confused as to what exactly Google backs up now.
I tried it out yesterday and it seemed to backup my wifi , desktop , apps , and user dictionary.
Desktop icons and Alarms dont seem to have returned.
I havent tried MyBackup Pro but the new "with root" feature claims to re-install apps with market links. But does it keep per app preferences ?
Titanium does all of the apps/data/market in batch. But does not do "settings" ((if it did i recall having issues I forget which))
Just wondering if Googles backup/apps2sd is comprehensive enough that from now on flashing new ROMS or updates we'll no longer need to worry about backup reinstalls.
((Yes I know nandroid is best but for updates like this useless))
I don't think the full Google Backup demo'd at the I/O will be operational until www.android.com has re-launched with the new functionality.
Is there a list of what it currently backs up ?
I never really tires it extensively so not sure what it does/doesnt do.
The apps did work for me though.
Apps only, and only if you're unrooted I think.
hello everyone, some apps have a feature that checks with the market to see whether it was paid for or not, what i would like to know is if there is a way for a non market app (one paid for with paypal) to do something like this as well? im trying to think of a good method to use for something like this, does anyone have an idea of how to approach this? (will 'Thanks' anyone who has an idea to offer)
There is a way, but I'm not sure how it's implemented...
I donated to Titanium Backup back in the day, and when he switched to the Pro version I show up as having paid - even though I never paid via the Market.
You could check with the dev for Titanium?
You can't use the Market's authentication system but you can create your own. I'm pretty sure that is how Titanium Backup worked.
I've used Titanium Back up from the very start, call me tight but not the Pro version (real reason just not got round to buying it, I do own quite a few paid App's HONEST ) I also use "SMS Back up" to back up my Call Log and SMS's to my Gmail Account, I really like the way it does this and gives them different labels Call logs and SMS's etc... And I'll still continue to use "SMS Back up" no matter which one of these 2 great App's I choose to continue to use.
The reason I chose "Titanium Back Up" in the first place was through researching "back up & Restore App's on Google, Android Market and reading through XDA forums.
Tonight I thought I'd give "MyBackUp Root" a go, after all I'd also read quite a bit about it.
I'd say you get a lot more choice in Titanium as to what you want to back up/Restore, but if your like me and sometimes you just like to get the job done, especially if you like flashing different ROM's then I'm starting to side with MyBackUp Root. The BIGGEST pain with TB, well the free version, is when restoring you have to click install, lots and lots of times, well twice for every app you've got plus more. What a fresh of breath air it was to have a 1 click restore as well as a 1 click back up. OK with MyBackUp you've got to restore Application and Media, then Data so you have 2 tasks but I think 2-6 clicks at most beats hundreds. I'm changing camp and picking MyBackUp Root, well at least for the foreseeable future or unless I find any nasty bugs.
What do you use to Back Up and Restore ???
And which do you prefer out of Titanium Back Up and MyBackUp Root ???
It's not Titanium Backup that is your problem. Your problem is that you don't want to pay the developer $5-6 to support his app. Having the Pro version is three step process.
Menu -> Batch -> Restore.
You set it and then forget it. Titanium Backup works, just buy the pro version. You won't regret it. Best $6 you'll ever spend.
To be fair, I don't think you're in a position to be judging Titanium Backup because you haven't used the Pro version which unlocks all of the features. So you haven't experienced the full potential of Titanium Backup.
the op is comparing titanium backup with mybackup root, both free versions of their respective premium glory. i would also enjoy reading a comparison of titanium backup pro and mybackup pro. perhaps someone would like to spend the extra money on a superfluous app for research purposes?
i use Ti backup. i've heard good things about it, and it works.
Sorry for being a noob here. I'm new to Android, and I just want to check that, is there no way to back up everything (like iTunes for iPad) unless the Tf is rooted?
I understand that titanium backup is the most recommended. Does the Tf need to be rooted for the restore to work too?
I honestly would rather not go through the trouble of rooting/unrooting, if I can forever avoid it. I just want to back things up like I did on my iPad. Any help will be appreaciated.
Unless you are going to copy your sd card/ removable device with windows explorer or some other type of file manager...not sure about Mac or Linux..there really is no way to back up without being rooted. Titanium does need root and doing a nandroid backup also requires root. In order to restore...you need to use these items to backup first...and this again requires root then you can restore.
Thank you for confirming. This is a big FAILED on Android. There is a reason why Apple stock is at an all time high.
ikeny said:
Thank you for confirming. This is a big FAILED on Android. There is a reason why Apple stock is at an all time high.
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I think you can backup the device through nvflash without root, although this will back up whole partitions, not individual applications/files. I'm not sure what format the .img files are, but you *might* be able to manipulate them to extract individual goodies, but I haven't tried it yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1129308
File Expert app has a Backup option in it that will backup all your installed apps, basically just the APK files to reinstall them which for me is plenty, cause I can just manually backup any extra things I might have such as pics or videos.
you can use mybackuppro without root and backup your apps and data including contacts and pictures etc. to sdcard or to the cloud.
you can use Astro to back up apps as apk files as well.
you can connect your Asus to your pc via usb and copy the entire contents to your hardrive.
Hmm apple is much much worse it was a PITA to root. Then its locked down where I have to boot it from a PC everytime or its not rooted any more.
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Hmm apple is much much worse it was a PITA to root. Then its locked down where I have to boot it from a PC everytime or its not rooted any more.
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The point is, you don't need to jailbreak (root) the iOS. Backup works natively on stock iPhone, iPad and iPod. iTunes may not be your favourite app, but it backs up the devices COMPLETELY. That is, when you buy a brand new device, connect to iTunes, and select restore from a backup... Voila! You new device now looks exactly as the old one, with all the personal info, music, movies, apps, games level, app settings transferred.
@CarsnGadgets - if I connect my Tf to pc via usb and copy the entire content over, how do I restore it? Say, if I lose my Tf and buy another one, can I copy the backup over to overwrite the entire content of the new Tf? (I doubt that)
An Android tablet is a whole Google experience product. Therefore, you should already have a gmail account. I mean, whats the point of owning an android product without gmail. Ok, once you set up your new tablet, you log into all google related products. That said, your email, location services, maps saves, buzz etc is synced to your new tablet. As I understand it, when you to the market, and search for an app you already had, the market knows that and allows a re-download and install, even for purchased apps.
If you wanted to "back-up" anything, you could do a file explorer view of the contents of the transformer, and copy the whole thing over to your PC in a folder once in a while. Thats about it.
I would gladly do all this "extra work" compared to being tied down to a Pc with an apple product, which you cannot even use out of the box until it's synced to itunes, What a load of crap.
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The point is, you don't need to jailbreak (root) the iOS. Backup works natively on stock iPhone, iPad and iPod. iTunes may not be your favourite app, but it backs up the devices COMPLETELY. That is, when you buy a brand new device, connect to iTunes, and select restore from a backup... Voila! You new device now looks exactly as the old one, with all the personal info, music, movies, apps, games level, app settings transferred.
@CarsnGadgets - if I connect my Tf to pc via usb and copy the entire content over, how do I restore it? Say, if I lose my Tf and buy another one, can I copy the backup over to overwrite the entire content of the new Tf? (I doubt that)
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The nvflash method that I linked to will do the backup/restore. i think it's fairly experimental, so no easy app with a flashy GUI.
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An Android tablet is a whole Google experience product. Therefore, you should already have a gmail account. I mean, whats the point of owning an android product without gmail. Ok, once you set up your new tablet, you log into all google related products. That said, your email, location services, maps saves, buzz etc is synced to your new tablet. As I understand it, when you to the market, and search for an app you already had, the market knows that and allows a re-download and install, even for purchased apps.
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...eh... what about the most important part like your in-app data (game data, app setting)? please correct me if I am wrong, but based on the responses from others, and what I read from other websites, I believe it is not possible to back up that unless rooted.
Game data, correct; you cannot back that up to your gmail account. That would not get backed up without rooted backup programs. Still, I'd rather restart Angry birds, having known I didnt have to buy it like the iguys do. That is, if you do not want to root(which is very easy now, for any version of honeycomb). Being able to customize something completely requires some effort. This platform is not for someone who just wants a "perfectly easy user experience". But hey, with effort, comes reward. Like an actual memory slot, HDMI out, a dock with USB's, memory slot in the dock, and lots of battery life.
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Thank you for confirming. This is a big FAILED on Android. There is a reason why Apple stock is at an all time high.
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then return your tf and get a ipad. Itunes is.a lovely program. I love the fact that I need to install itunes on Every computers in order to intall apps. Amazing...
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then return your tf and get a ipad. Itunes is.a lovely program. I love the fact that I need to install itunes on Every computers in order to intall apps. Amazing...
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I do have an ipad, and work paid for my Tf. I like using the Tf for flash content and watching movies on the wide screen.
You do NOT need iTunes to install apps. Currently, you only need to activate a new ios device once with a computer. If you don't care about backups, you never have to connect it to any computer ever. Apps, music, movies can be purchased OTA, just like android.
Starting with iOS 5, coming in the fall, everything can be done OTA, including backing up of device settings, address book, calendar, email, apps, AND app data, all for free! No more activation with a computer.
I may seem like an apple fan. But in fact, I am just a fan of 'whatever works best".
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Game data, correct; you cannot back that up to your gmail account. That would not get backed up without rooted backup programs. Still, I'd rather restart Angry birds, having known I didnt have to buy it like the iguys do. That is, if you do not want to root(which is very easy now, for any version of honeycomb). Being able to customize something completely requires some effort. This platform is not for someone who just wants a "perfectly easy user experience". But hey, with effort, comes reward. Like an actual memory slot, HDMI out, a dock with USB's, memory slot in the dock, and lots of battery life.
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It is a fact that android is great for customization, and good for those that likes to take advantage of that. For the rest of us, who use tablets as a tool, rather than a hobbie, we want basic things to work without hacking. Backing up in-app data is a basic need in my opinion.
Another one is to prompt for a password everytime when buying paid apps in the market. It is just crazy to me that anyone can pick up your Tf and buy apps with the saved CC info. I don't think I am asking too much.
Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
In the settings > backup and reset, it says you can keep your application data, wifi passwords, and more (I think this includes calendar and phone book) as a copy in your Google account. Tbh I haven't tested this but could it be what you are looking for? Otherwise, yeah you are absolutely right...
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In the settings > backup and reset, it says you can keep your application data, wifi passwords, and more (I think this includes calendar and phone book) as a copy in your Google account. Tbh I haven't tested this but could it be what you are looking for? Otherwise, yeah you are absolutely right...
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No, that's not it. That "backup" does nothing to you in-app data.
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No, that's not it. That "backup" does nothing to you in-app data.
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Agreed. Have to support the OP in this, the fact that there is no standard non-root backup approach is truly appalling.
I'm trialling MyBackup at present - so far, so good, but the fear factor is high - I'd hate to have to depend on it without warning.
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Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
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I ALWAYS root and I simply wouldn't buy a device which is locked (that's why in early January I bought a G.Tab 10.1" instead of a Transformer TF101, my first choice was the TF101 but the latest units on the market were locked).
Even without root, anyway, the only things you would loose is data apps (which, games aside -and I don't do games on my mobile devices- mainly means apps settings) and I never restore them when changing devices or going through major software updates.
That said, I do agree with you that there should be a better, OFFICIAL, integrated and comprehensive backup solution.
ikeny said:
Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
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I haven't been stock for a long time, but if you really want to backup app data without root I think you can just save those folders. Probably differences between apps in how/where data is stored, but if there's something specific you might be able to figure it out. Also, there's an app called saveshare (sharesave?) that backs up certain games to dropbox so you can save your game across multiple devices (not exacly elegant, but if that's what you want).
But really, why would you ever be stock if you have android? And if you are, why are you on XDA? Also, what other operating system has this feature? Even on a desktop this isn't an easy fix.
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Also, what other operating system has this feature? Even on a desktop this isn't an easy fix.
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Well apple is pretty damn good on this. I wish kies, or another program, had that iTunes functionality. It backs up apps and settings and they can be easily restored...
Sent from my amazing 10.1 galaxy tab
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Well apple is pretty damn good on this. I wish kies, or another program, had that iTunes functionality. It backs up apps and settings and they can be easily restored...
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Sorry, that's just not correct. itunes backs up the apps and setting, but not the appdata (which is what the OP was specifically talking about). Unless you're talking about imaging a hard drive (which is what apple does with the "time machine" software) you're not going to save your appdata. Sorry, guys, but this just doesn't exist yet. Root, install Titanium, and backup; or complain on a forum that isn't for folks who were doing that stuff anyways...
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Sorry, that's just not correct. itunes backs up the apps and setting, but not the appdata (which is what the OP was specifically talking about). Unless you're talking about imaging a hard drive (which is what apple does with the "time machine" software) you're not going to save your appdata. Sorry, guys, but this just doesn't exist yet. Root, install Titanium, and backup; or complain on a forum that isn't for folks who were doing that stuff anyways...
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Actually Apple does back up app data. When you restore from backup everything gets restored on the device.
welcome to life.
ikeny said:
Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
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agreed, more than enough times i have changed my tablet or android phone and lost all save progress in all my games, it's really annoying!
with ipod touch there is a auto backup that restores everything with a click of a button, this is the only downside to android and needs to improve with android especially when android promotes the tablets as a mobile gaming machine on the go.
i don't have the patience to play games on tablet to completion because of the way save files are handled, i play angry birds so many times and it ends up getting reset everytime i get a new phone so i don't bother anymore, it doesn't help that game developers from the console market release games on android and those types of games need a save backup feature just like on consoles, even a basic cloud save service would be great even if you had to pay for it would make it less painful for people constantly changing their tablets and phones all the time, because we all know that technology moves fast and the latest thing gets old within 2 years so our tablets and phones are always changing, i would like in the future to cloud sync my save progress whenever i upgrade or buy a new phone.
a good example is now, i have a xoom and want to upgrade to a galaxy note 10.1 i can't take anything with me apart from pictures and media like mp3s and video, everything else will be wiped from the tablet, i can't use titanium backup pro without wiping my xoom first and then backup (which is completely useless why wipe a device to root it when there is nothing left to backup?) mybackup pro or titanium backup cannot backup much without root so i am SOL and there is not much i can do about it please sort this out google for future updates, this is essential imo for a popular OS like this, you shouldn't have to void your warranty or wipe your data to backup stuff, it should be a simple easy process.