Does anyone else feel that's it's ridiculous that a "skin" would need 2 cores to run?
I mean really, that's nonsense no skin should need that much power, this is some stupid marketing ploy as usual if you ask me. Phones like the DesireZ, MT4G, DHD,etc can all run 3.0(which has been proven) with no issue. there may be lag here and there, but faux said leaked roms are debugging builds so they tend to be sluggish compared to final versions. I think once the Sensation is released we will have a much faster Sense 3.0 rom for the devs. Gingerbread alone works on all android phones(even armv6) 2 core or not, the issue would be from hTc's bad programming IMHO.
My general feeling is that HTC's approach to hardware requirements is the same as Microsoft's. If you look at the minimum requirements for Windows 7 and specifically Aero, they're somewhat steep, yet you can run Win7 with Aero with no problem on much lower-powered systems. Of course there's always advantages to more powerful systems, but to say the OS won't run at all or will run poorly on the older stuff is B.S.
I look at HTC's Sense 3.0 requirements the same. No doubt there will be performance advantages on the Sensation compared to the MT4G, but Virtuous Fusion runs so fast and so smooth on the MT4G that I think the performance is well within the range that should be considered "acceptable", and therefore HTC should say the MT4G is Sense 3.0 compatible.
HTC just wants to sell handsets, so it's to their advantage to say the new software won't run on older hardware.
TeeJay3800 said:
My general feeling is that HTC's approach to hardware requirements is the same as Microsoft's. If you look at the minimum requirements for Windows 7 and specifically Aero, they're somewhat steep, yet you can run Win7 with Aero with no problem on much lower-powered systems. Of course there's always advantages to more powerful systems, but to say the OS won't run at all or will run poorly on the older stuff is B.S.
I look at HTC's Sense 3.0 requirements the same. No doubt there will be performance advantages on the Sensation compared to the MT4G, but Virtuous Fusion runs so fast and so smooth on the MT4G that I think the performance is well within the range that should be considered "acceptable", and therefore HTC should say the MT4G is Sense 3.0 compatible.
HTC just wants to sell handsets, so it's to their advantage to say the new software won't run on older hardware.
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I definitely agree with this statement. Single 1ghz is more than enough power, we also have more than enough ram and built in storage to support the software.
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The new HTC Desire HD is now on HTC's website.
It is HD2 copy but with Android.
Nand on the way(?) when these are in XDA forum users hands.
the hardware is the same? I don't think soo :S
Snapdragon 8255 1gz
768MB of RAM
internal storage 1.5gb
and a battery 1230ma
8mpx
ooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh I want one, I want one, I want one! or I'll settle for a nice android port.
really wana get a dump of the Desire HD so i can port it to the HD2, all those new widgets and apps, along with new camera app! easy port to be made
the desire hd is too easy to port like EVO....what I means is: EVO = HTC DESIRE HD
really hard to dump
No Hardware is a bit different, it uses a MSM8255 with a die size of 45nm instead of an QSD8250 CPU which die size is 65nm, this msm8255 CPU is based on the same core as the snapdragon QSD8250 of the HD2 and Desire, but will be more energy efficient.
It also features a possibility of 720P recording, probably it will do 720P HD playback as well with hardware acceleration in the CPU.
It features more RAM 786 instead of (unlocked HD2) 576MB. different screen, super LCD and last but not least, an 4GB internal flash drive and some features for faster booting.
Still hope we soon will find a really stable android release which will definitly replace WM6.5..
forgot to mention the (Dutch) source:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1777/5/...droid-hardware-een-4-komma-3-inch-scherm.html
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an 4GB internal flash drive]
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4GB... are you sure???
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-3077.php
That says 1.5GB...
Nonetheless, 8mpx, faster loading time, more ram, more nand, blah blah blah, still pretty much = HD2 Android.
I urge everyone to wait for the new CPU man. It's RTM Q4/2010.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/08/qualcomm-1-5ghz-dual-core-snapdragon-devices-to-arrive-at-end-o/
The fake HD3 specs could true for some specs like 1Gb Ram Given the new Desire HD got 768mb ram.
Yeah.. Desire HD is Evo 4G...
and the spec is not that much different from HD2... even galaxy S got better spec then it (pity it got the iPhone wanna be looks,, hate it..)
I'll stick to HD2 until there's a big leap in Android phone...
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Yeah.. Desire HD is Evo 4G...
and the spec is not that much different from HD2... even galaxy S got better spec then it (pity it got the iPhone wanna be looks,, hate it..)
I'll stick to HD2 until there's a big leap in Android phone...
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My thoughts too. a fast SD card could will do the trick, besides we'll always be able to use WM at any time.
Until something with a TP2 form factor comes out, I don't think I'm getting a new device. I really miss the keyboard. Resco KB is doing the trick in WM, but it's not like feeling the buttons.
And for God's sake, add some specs. HTC is becoming like Nokia, same hardware in different enclosure every few months.
dang you all . this is android development channel not ur chit chat channel. push this into the android development general thread. why dont noobs understand what and where to put things @@@@
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I got one for testing purposes...
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Did you ever know that you're our hero? and you can fly higher than an Eagle and you are the wind between our legs?
What the deuce!!, just bought my HD2 4 weeks ago and still got my Nexus, Touch HD and Pro2 from last year lying around Curse you HTC, curse you!!!
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hi, can u get roms and post here....
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Nope, sorry, flashing is in a different department. We´re testing only our software on this devices to ensure the functionality on different enviroments. I can help only with pics and information which I can see in the device.
BTW, the Ace has a fullscreen watermark.
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is it possible for you to post the .apks from the phone. this will help in development .. only if its possible.
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No Hardware is a bit different, it uses a MSM8255 with a die size of 45nm instead of an QSD8250 CPU which die size is 65nm, this msm8255 CPU is based on the same core as the snapdragon QSD8250 of the HD2 and Desire, but will be more energy efficient.
It also features a possibility of 720P recording, probably it will do 720P HD playback as well with hardware acceleration in the CPU.
It features more RAM 786 instead of (unlocked HD2) 576MB. different screen, super LCD and last but not least, an 4GB internal flash drive and some features for faster booting.
Still hope we soon will find a really stable android release which will definitly replace WM6.5..
forgot to mention the (Dutch) source:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1777/5/...droid-hardware-een-4-komma-3-inch-scherm.html
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using my computer knowledge, all these won't affect porting if they use same component for radio/IO/DSP/wireless/bluetooth/GPS...etc
die shrink usually means pin-to-pin compatibility.
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Nope, sorry, flashing is in a different department. We´re testing only our software on this devices to ensure the functionality on different enviroments. I can help only with pics and information which I can see in the device.
BTW, the Ace has a fullscreen watermark.
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I guess you cannot disassemble them and look at chips inside then...
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I guess you cannot disassemble them and look at chips inside then...
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but what's the point? is it going to change anything...? all that we need is the rom dump and the rest is up to cooks.
btw, this thread is kinda pointless imho. we all know about release of desire hd and z.
According to Microsoft QSD8250 is the chipset. Now how bad is it? I see people are saying it'd be better than HD2 since it'll have the perfect drivers from MS, but still wonder how this compare with the phone I am planning to get, Captivate, or an iPhone 4.
What prompted MS to choose this over so many newer (and possibly better) options?
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What prompted MS to choose this over so many newer (and possibly better) options?
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My guess: WP7 has been in development for quite some time, so at the start of development they choose the top processor that was available. But I think that this forum focuses to much on the processor and specifications, because in the end, the whole package must be convincing and that includes the operating system that has been optimized for this processor.
Furthermore, the current specifications will be the lowest common denominator for quiet some time (perhaps until WP8) and all apps will be optimized to run satisfactory on this specification (AFAIK the 20 second start-up rule for apps will be measured with the current specification). Newer processors may speed some things up, but the current hardware will be the target platform...
The development must have started before this chipset was launched, but you are right - this was most likely the target platform.
There are not many 3D games available though, the basic working will be fluid I know when I check at the store in few days. My worries are about the 3D games that will be launched later. If the experience with those is not as good as other platforms, MS will be in trouble. Better hardware will fix the issue in future but the reputation will be ruined and be stuck for a while.
Captivate is more powerful, mainly due to its GPU being about 4 times more powerful than the qsd8250s adreno200 gpu. Though, all WP7 devices will have better looking games since Captivate runs android... And everyone knows android games look crap, no matter how how powerful the hardware is (due to devs having to make their devices run on low end hardware to get more sales)
The IP4 is a better comparison because it's hardware and software have been fully engineered to run along each other, very much like WP7 devices. While it does have a more powerful GPU compared with the QSD, there wouldn't be much difference; the adreno 200 pushes about 22million triangles per sec, where as the sgx535 pushes about 28million triangles per sec. Whether developers even use all those polygons, I'm not sure I've seen.
Though epic citadel on iOS as well as this upcoming game called Aralon sure looks good.
Aralon link: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/10/oh-man-aralon-for-ios-is-gonna-be-good/
Thanks Cruzer. Now it makes sense. 22 mil vs 28 mil is not a big difference. Were they running at the same clock-speed? I hear A4 processor in iPhone 4 runs at ~800MHz, so may be they both perform in a similar manner.
Not sure how much the GPU is affected by the CPU. I think it's more to do about the speed of the actual GPU, but don't take me on that quote lol.
I have a Captivate and an iPhone 4. Im getting rid of both of them to get a HD7 or Focus. The iphone works flawlessly and isnt buggy in the slightest bit, the captivate is very choppy and i couldnt take it after a while with the lagging even after i upgraded to froyo. I would go with wp7 to be different and because it looks fun even if it uses an older processor. The hummingbird and A4 are both top of the line and its going to be hard to compete especially with each having a different os.
Writing this from my iphone 4
Obviously is does to an extent, but I thought Gingerbread/Honeycomb are the first official OS's to support it?
Anyone know the details around this? When the Atrix gets Gingerbread, will there be processing improvements?
2.3 does... which makes you wonder wtf moto was thinking.
I use SeePU as a CPU monitor and when I swipe the screen and other basic things, the CPU maxes briefly. No lag at all for the most part. However, I'm wondering if Froyo isn't completely optimized for the dual-cores.
As a funny note, I'm wondering if we're all going to see some nice improvements once we get Gingerbread as we did with the 2.1 to 2.2 improvements.
kenyu73 said:
Obviously is does to an extent, but I thought Gingerbread/Honeycomb are the first official OS's to support it?
Anyone know the details around this? When the Atrix gets Gingerbread, will there be processing improvements?
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Don't believe Froyo was made with dual core in mind. Biggest thing is that apps haven't been optimized for dualcore yet.
kenyu73 said:
Obviously is does to an extent, but I thought Gingerbread/Honeycomb are the first official OS's to support it?
Anyone know the details around this? When the Atrix gets Gingerbread, will there be processing improvements?
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It seems there is already multi core support on the OS level, but probably not a strong support on the API level. Read, for example, androidnexus [dot] com/android-news/nvidia-tegra-2-review-and-multi-core-support-in-android . That means that the OS will already distribute threads between cores, which for example should eliminate any lag that I sometimes experience in single core when I am playing a game and Android is synching mail in the background. *edit* And generally improve performance while multitasking. *end edit*
I think only Android 3.x will really take advantage of multi core processors (they explicitly stated that as a feature for Honeycomb); I doubt there would be a big difference between Froyo and Gingerbread as far as performance is concerned.
how long do u think Moto will let us update to 2.3? maybe 1 year?
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It seems there is already multi core support on the OS level, but probably not a strong support on the API level. Read, for example, androidnexus [dot] com/android-news/nvidia-tegra-2-review-and-multi-core-support-in-android . That means that the OS will already distribute threads between cores, which for example should eliminate any lag that I sometimes experience in single core when I am playing a game and Android is synching mail in the background. *edit* And generally improve performance while multitasking. *end edit*
I think only Android 3.x will really take advantage of multi core processors (they explicitly stated that as a feature for Honeycomb); I doubt there would be a big difference between Froyo and Gingerbread as far as performance is concerned.
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Thanks for the information! However, I believe Gingerbread 2.3 was "canned" and reversioned to 2.4 which includes dual-core support. I've read this in more then a few tech blogs recently.
Hello,
I've owed an x10 and SGS-II.
Windows 8 ARM hasn't been released as of now but is someone planning to port it to SGS-II?
The reason I ask is because it looks very nice & would love to see something different on SGS-II
This is just a discussion any constructive comments are welcome.
as a pure development project it might be fun to do such
but as a daily driver OS, Win8 is definitely a no go
maybe will see win8 in our sgs III with 2ghz quad core
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maybe will see win8 in our sgs III with 2ghz quad core
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i agree
as Win8 is basically = Win7 + Windows Mobile 7 Launcher + ARM CPU support
so that is basicaly a super beefup version of Win7, which translates into very heavy hardware requirement for it to run properly
basically you need a laptop the size of a phone, for it to run
Haven't people been able to "run" it with ancient Pentiums and 128 MB ram?
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i agree
as Win8 is basically = Win7 + Windows Mobile 7 Launcher + ARM CPU support
so that is basicaly a super beefup version of Win7, which translates into very heavy hardware requirement for it to run properly
basically you need a laptop the size of a phone, for it to run
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I've read that it has lower requirements. There are also some other changes(some of them also improvements like reduced boot time)
AllGamer said:
i agree
as Win8 is basically = Win7 + Windows Mobile 7 Launcher + ARM CPU support
so that is basicaly a super beefup version of Win7, which translates into very heavy hardware requirement for it to run properly
basically you need a laptop the size of a phone, for it to run
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I don't think so mate. The requirements for Windows 8 ARM is pretty low. Microsoft announced that it will run very smooth on tablets (they did a demo as well) and it requires pretty low resources (since windows 8 itself uses a Very low ram).
People at xperia x10 are looking forward to port it so I thought why not?
SGS-III? lol. I'd dream about it.
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I don't think so mate. The requirements for Windows 8 ARM is pretty low. Microsoft announced that it will run very smooth on tablets (they did a demo as well) and it requires pretty low resources (since windows 8 itself uses a Very low ram).
People at xperia x10 are looking forward to port it so I thought why not?
SGS-III? lol. I'd dream about it.
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It works on my old desktop so our super fast dual core phone should take it easily
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+1 win 8 for sgsII is like child playing with toy... ARM version will req a very low hardware spec. Hoping too see it on this mean machine
Win8 ARM hardware drivers for the SGS2-specific hardware would need to be written from scratch, so don't hold your breath.
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Haven't people been able to "run" it with ancient Pentiums and 128 MB ram?
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Don't make the mistake of comparing mobile to desktop. MHZ/GHZ processor speeds don't mean jack when comparing between CPU/GPU architecture types.
Just because some spec somewhere says it's designed to be able to run on ARM processors and some or our phones use ARM processors, doesn't mean we are go for launch. We may not be comparing apples with oranges here, but we certainly are comparing tangerines with oranges. Some of these chips can be much bigger and power-hungrier than anything we see in the SGS2
kal-el can totally Handel it perfectly.
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I guess they will eventually merge WP7 and W8 for ARM, same thing that is about to happen to Android.
For now I am quite happy with Android on my phone, and if the Win32 pogramms wont work on a W8 tablet I see no point in getting one either. Android is growing like crazy (software and hardware), so I can not see a reason to abandon this platform (except maybe for MeeGo, incredible what the people did with the n900).
Although Tablet+VLC would make a hell of a mediaplayer....
Win phone 8 on SGSII
Reviving this thread...considering now much is known about the platform, is there a chance of a port on SGSII?
i think we will see some tryout ports coming very soon.
ive run w8 on some really crappy machines, much more worse specs then s2.
however i think port is depending on the fact how many people will really want it and how many devs
are willing to do it..
whats the OS in nokia lumia 920 windows 8 or windows 7?
This probably isn't possible because I think windows phones are partitioned differently. Basically its gonna be difficult or nearly impossible.
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You guys do realize that the GSII is more than capable of running WP8? The Lumia 920 has a S4 dual core and handles it effortlessly, the GSII would be able to handle it aswell since the Exynos 4210 is still very damn good.
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You guys do realize that the GSII is more than capable of running WP8? The Lumia 920 has a S4 dual core and handles it effortlessly, the GSII would be able to handle it aswell since the Exynos 4210 is still very damn good.
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It's not the matter of hardware. There are many other things to consider too. Already we have problems with CM10. WP8 just spells more trouble.
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It's not the matter of hardware. There are many other things to consider too. Already we have problems with CM10. WP8 just spells more trouble.
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I know, as everyone was just talking about hw, I gave my opinion I'm not even going to talk about the complications with porting the kernel, drivers, gpu drivers, adapting thethe mali to a whole new os, surfaceflinger, hwcomposer and so much more...
So I have a question.. our EVOs have decent hardware.. why is it we can barely handle some UI and some function when the hardware is simular? Like realistically, I think our phones could handle a lot more if we develop it a different way. Look at the system requirements of Windows... We have the basics and what not.. what's holding us back from making the EVO not even slightly break a sweat? From what I've noticed with most roms, our phones will work 90% of its systems while playing angry birds space or space consuming apps.. if we made a ROM in such a way where we can take that 90% and turn it to 20%, I think we would be doing the impossible or best possible thing.. Im an idiot in some aspects like how hones may work but I'm just trying to get everyone thinking here.. are we not that far in the tech age or is it that it would take forever to build it from the ground up not being payed?
for the most part, whatever's in the rom is needed for it to run. you can run a rom without sense if you want to save memory, but it won't look as pretty. as for trimming it down, down to what? we take out everything that the carrier puts in, and we're left with what is required for android to run for the most part. a lot of problems with newer roms is drivers. we need drivers. they won't release them.
http://oreilly.com/catalog/linuxkernel/chapter/ch10.html
prepare for brain hurt. as you are saying, you can strip it down, but scheduling processes, including background is still important and requires resources.
The biggest issue with the evo is its older and lower amount of ram that is the one thing its seriously lacking in. It has an older generation and lower amount of ram than newer devices. Newer devices with the same amount of ram are using a newer generation of ram which performs better than the older version, the Evo is using mobile DDR vs newer devices using mobile ddr2 or ddr3 ram which at the same amount handles processes much more efficiently making the device perform better, just like if you have 4gb of DDR ram in your PC and upgrade to 4gb of DDR 3 you will see a massive performance increase even tho the quantity is the same the quality is far better
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The ram and CPU hold it back a lot. Remember, the evo launched on 2.1 and is on its third os update. Gb uses a lot more resources than froyo and eclair so the ram is all hogged up by just system services. In my opinion, the evo doesn't run gb sense very well, so of course ics roms will be somewhat limited since there will be no ota with ics and no source kernel for evo
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Anyone still running Froyo on their EVO with better performance than GB? Just curious because I've often thought about rolling it back just to see how it goes for a while. Also,anyone know of anyone keeping any Froyo Sense ROMs up to date?
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You can actually get a lot more out of the device if you are careful with what rom's and optimizations you have. For example, swagged out stock n barely uses resources at all. Sio scheduler reduces CPU load, noatime mounting helps a lot.
I have seriously awesome performance on swagged put stock n after i used ttitanium backup to remove crap I don't use, with sio , and smartassv2 with nstools setting all the CPU settings to the least performance settings (battery saving settings)
As for froyo vs GB, I feel like I had better battery and speed on froyo. Could be that my batteries are 2yrs old, could be netarchys old wicked kernels. I actually haven't even been on GB for the last 6mo. ICS is beautiful.
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