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Why Nexus S is Google's new baby.

Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, or they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 200 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has the same chip
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.

Rawat said:
Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, and they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 205 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has it too
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.
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This is a great analysis Rawat
I'll be really interested to see how quick my Nexus-1 gets gingerbread. If it takes weeks after the 16th or after the new year then I would have to agree

ap3604 said:
This is a great analysis Rawat
I'll be really interested to see how quick my Nexus-1 gets gingerbread. If it takes weeks after the 16th or after the new year then I would have to agree
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I think the trend will be that the newer versions of android will be developed on Nexus S, and as such they'll be the first to receive it, and the N1 will get the updates a around a month or so later, as long as the device meets the minimum spec.
Google said they do their OS development on one device. Think it was andy rubin when he was showing parts of the mototab, and it was maybe in one of the Nexus S / gingerbread phone videos.

The nexus one actually has an adreno 200 the 205's are much more improved as seen in the g2,desire hd,and my touch 4g. Also the new snapdragons are believed to be on par if not better than hummingbird cpu's
Some comparison androidevolutions . com /2010/10/13/gpu-showdown-adreno-205-msm7230-in-htc-g2-vs-powervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/

Indeed you're correct. 1st gen chips had adreno 200, 2nd gen had 205s.

I don't think the gpu and CPU are the reason more so the screen along with samsungs ability to prodce said screens.

adox said:
The nexus one actually has an adreno 200 the 205's are much more improved as seen in the g2,desire hd,and my touch 4g. Also the new snapdragons are believed to be on par if not better than hummingbird cpu's
Some comparison androidevolutions . com /2010/10/13/gpu-showdown-adreno-205-msm7230-in-htc-g2-vs-powervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/
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The CPU's may be on parr. However. CPU isn't what needs improved on the Snapdragons.
This is correct. SGX540 does perform about 2x as fast as SGX530 (found in Droid X, Droid 2, iPhone 3GS and a variation of it in iPhone 4). Unfortunately, Samsung's Galaxy S has been using the same GPU for many months now. So TI is playing a catch up on Samsung's SoC. To be fair, other manufacturers aren't exactly doing any better. Qualcomm's second generation GPU - Adreno 205 also performs significantly worse than SGX540 and (soon to be released) Tegra 2's GPU is also expected to be outperformed by SGX540. With Samsung claiming Orion improving GPU performance by another 3-4x over SGX540 must sound scary to other manufacturers!
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SGX540 = Hummingbird's GPU.
GPU means a ton when it comes to what you're actually going to see in action on the screen.

In the link I posted that doesn't seem so, the gpu actually faired well against the humming bird in the epic

adox said:
I don't think the gpu and CPU are the reason more so the screen along with samsungs ability to prodce said screens.
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Google said they added more features for better game programming. That's one of the major improvements in 2.3, so why would they pick screen over gpu? Galaxy S phones are considered one of the best device for Android gaming so it makes a lot of sense to have Samsung make a phone. The screen is an icing on the cake. I bet Samsung is going to use samoled screens a lot more on big phones they manufacture.

so true cant wait!

adox said:
In the link I posted that doesn't seem so, the gpu actually faired well against the humming bird in the epic
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On one benchmark. I wouldn't read into those results too much

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4059/nexus-s-and-android-23-review-gingerbread-for-the-holidays
anadtech review

Rawat said:
Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, or they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 200 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has the same chip
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.
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Goddammint!!! I can't wait til Thursday!!!

zachthemaster said:
Goddammint!!! I can't wait til Thursday!!!
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Rofl I can't wait till there are tons of threads started such as "Goddammit I LOVE this phone!!!"

ap3604 said:
Rofl I can't wait till there are tons of threads started such as "Goddammit I LOVE this phone!!!"
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Haha goddammit i can't wait to post in those threads.. I'm so excited... New phone, new network... PUMPED

hmm.. sounds awsome..
but hey, someone knows if we can open the battery cover to replace the battery? im too used to carry two batteries.. i need it cause long weekends with heavy usage of the phone.. >.<
i didnt find anything about this :3

D4rkSoRRoW said:
hmm.. sounds awsome..
but hey, someone knows if we can open the battery cover to replace the battery? im too used to carry two batteries.. i need it cause long weekends with heavy usage of the phone.. >.<
i didnt find anything about this :3
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yah... duh haha

Sure you can
Here's a view of the phone with the cover off:
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Dual-Core phones (Sprint)

I'm starting to notice now that so me are hitting the market. Surely Sprint will lose customers if they don't come out with one soon...
I've seen the echo and I couldn't care less about dual screen....I do care about dual-core though. Has anyone heard of a rumor or announcement regarding Sprint's first dual-core phone?
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Our SGS2, and it will ship with 2.2.1, but 2.3 will be soon to follow, enabling the 3g and 4g radio features. No, really, idunno what sprint has up their butt, probly another overhyped HTC. Or will they try to resurrect palm again??? RIM? I swear they got the brown acid at headquarters... the echo is beyond dumb, no more premier unless you pay for landline minutes nobody uses....???

Overstew said:
I'm starting to notice now that so me are hitting the market. Surely Sprint will lose customers if they don't come out with one soon...
I've seen the echo and I couldn't care less about dual screen....I do care about dual-core though. Has anyone heard of a rumor or announcement regarding Sprint's first dua-lcore phone?
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Just curious why you want dual core outside of saying that you have it? Is there some app in particular that you use that will be updated to use both cores? Most apps that run in the background have so little overhead that a bump in speed is far more beneficial than adding another core. I'd like to have the option of a single multi-threaded core or dual core. I'd take a 1.5Ghz multi thread single core over a 1.0Ghz dual core any day of the week in my phone. Not sure if there is a single droid app out there that would actually have any benefit of another core at all???
I think true benefit would come from a heterogeneous processor design that basically fed all of the 'phone' functions to a 100Mhz or so core that did nothing but "basic" phone functions. Any graphics or other type processing would rely on the video unit as well as the "high speed" core, which is typically switched off when the phone is being used as a phone, or is idle waiting for a call, etc.... The video cpu should have adequate ram to store icons and stuff of the such where screen rotations, page flips, etc... should be instantaneous. There shouldn't be any lag when rotating orientations and what not. Battery life could be significantly greater using a low power/speed cpu when that's all that is required.

I agree with the last post. The only reason to upgrade to a dual core phone today is to future proof yourself and maybe a bit more efficient battery usage. Seems like as it stands now, it's the eqivalent of buying a high end blu-ray player just to watch standard DVDs.
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I have been reading the forum for a while now and the only use I could tell would be compiling packages or roms. Dual core would definitely help with that. Outside of that it would just be a benchmark machine. There are two ways to use a dual core chip. Either you can program code to run across both cores at the same time(which most programmers do not do if you couldn't tell from the computer side). The simplicity of apps does not really generate a desire for programmers to do this. The other is multitasking. You can run more than one thread at a time since one is going to each. I can't see this helping all that much unless you have programs that run in the background.
I can however see it draining battery. But to each his own.

I bought a ps3 when blu-ray first came out and now I don't have to waste money on a 3d-player
I want a dualcore phone solely for the fact that I'll be futureproof.
Unless its like the epic, I'm not gonna uprade tho. The epic is probably the best single core phone, so hats adequate enough to hold me down until october
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October sh...t ill wait 2 years before i get another phone. let them really get these bugs of the dual cores fixed and smoothed and to let the carriers catch up in the upgrading of android. unless there are some really sweet features that i cant live without and we cant get modded to this phone.

I'll probably wait until they iron things out and see if there will be more implementations to take advantage of the dual core feature, rather than purchasing the first gen models.

Well...to put into perspective of the futureproofability of the epic....the g1 just got a half working port of honeycomb LOL
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A_Flying_Fox said:
I bought a ps3 when blu-ray first came out and now I don't have to waste money on a 3d-player
I want a dualcore phone solely for the fact that I'll be futureproof.
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The PS3 is 5yrs old already. It took more than 2 years for titles to start hitting BluRay regularly. And since that time, the $500 PS3, dropped $100 after just 1yr, and came down another $100 2yrs after that. I'm betting against the "future" having any use for the dual core cells dropping now. Sort of how the future has nothing to do with the Galaxy Tab. By the time the software is written to utilize the Tab, it will be an Atom amongst i3s. If it can run 3.0, it will be so painfully slow that you'll toss it out the window. You may have plans for the 'future', but the future will have no plans for you Why don't you just save $$ by using one's head, and buy things when they can actually be utilized? You haven't had the epic but at most 7 months......keep it a full 2 years and grab the 2nd run of dual cores that have issues sorted out and software to utilize it.
Sort of like buying a USB 3 card 2 years ago for $100 when nothing utilized it. Now that devices are actually releasing for it, they're $27

I am aware technology tends to advance quickly, but why would I want to buy something that would be outdated by the time the next best thing comes out?

Intel mobil .24nm dual core FTW!
Seriously, I don't see how the Galaxy 2 will not have horrible battery time.

As long as they stay away from that Tegra 2 stinker of a dual core. What a let down that is.

muyoso said:
As long as they stay away from that Tegra 2 stinker of a dual core. What a let down that is.
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Hummingbird dual-core makes me drool...

Overstew said:
Hummingbird dual-core makes me drool...
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IDK. I am all about the TI OMAP 4430 with PowerVR SGX 540 clocked at 300mhz. The Optimus 3d has it and it DESTROYS the Tegra 2 and UTTERLY DESTROYS the Exynos Samsung dual core thing. The PowerVR SGX 540 is the exact GPU we have in our phones, except clocked 50% faster. WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check out the anandtech review of the Optimus 3d for benchmarks.

muyoso said:
IDK. I am all about the TI OMAP 4430 with PowerVR SGX 540 clocked at 300mhz. The Optimus 3d has it and it DESTROYS the Tegra 2 and UTTERLY DESTROYS the Exynos Samsung dual core thing. The PowerVR SGX 540 is the exact GPU we have in our phones, except clocked 50% faster. WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check out the anandtech review of the Optimus 3d for benchmarks.
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Is it said what carrier will have the Optimus 3d?
EDIT: Just looked it up, looks like T-Mobile...along with Galaxy S II. WTH? lol

Overstew said:
Is it said what carrier will have the Optimus 3d?
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Haven't seen a carrier yet. Its a damn cool phone and would be awesome for Sprint. I am not into the whole 3d thing yet, but having that option is kind neat. The hardware though, omg the hardware makes me drool.
If only we could overclock our powervr sgx540 gpu, that would be amazing. Not much use at the moment, but if we ever got microusb to hdmi out it would be able to play 1080p as well as the 720p its currently capable of.
Edit: Damnit, T-Mobile gets all of the amazing phones.

muyoso said:
Haven't seen a carrier yet. Its a damn cool phone and would be awesome for Sprint. I am not into the whole 3d thing yet, but having that option is kind neat. The hardware though, omg the hardware makes me drool.
If only we could overclock our powervr sgx540 gpu, that would be amazing. Not much use at the moment, but if we ever got microusb to hdmi out it would be able to play 1080p as well as the 720p its currently capable of.
Edit: Damnit, T-Mobile gets all of the amazing phones.
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Well, I'm taking this link into consideration when I make a conclusion...still kinda iffy though.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110210173729AAswla4

I do plan onkeepingthe epic...its basically the epitome of the single core generation. The only way to one-upit is with dual cores. By the time I have to upgrade, quad cores will be out.
I hate how fast tech gets aged...but the hummingbird is more than dequate for my mobile needs....I mean come on. The epic has been out for 7 months (the galaxy s has been out since may I think...) and only NOW are phones/tablets catching up to its capabilities.
I'm probably not gonnaget a dual core phone. But I wouldn't mind a dual core tablet to compliment the epic for when stuff gets real serious and I need to whip out the pc-grade stuff
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Overstew said:
Well, I'm taking this link into consideration when I make a conclusion...still kinda iffy though.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110210173729AAswla4
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You see the benchmarks on anandtech?
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Poor Graphics Performance on Galaxy Tab 10.1

Really frustrating to see that THD versions of games are not as frame rate heavy as they are on the Xoom.
Check out the video I put up to see what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfNJ8kIblR8
What do you guys think?

I'm still not entirely convinced that this thing is a tegra 2. has anyone confirmed this?
Anyway, I have noticed some significant lag a lot of times. I have a feeling it might just be a software issue though because some things are very smooth, e.g. carousel in music app.
I don't have the hd version of fruit ninja and I don't really want to buy it since I already paid for the non-hd version. Can you try running logcat with it? Look for any SurfaceFlinger. I wish these things had grep...
Edit: if you don't have the adb drivers, you should be able to get them here
Edit2: This must be a tegra device. there are tons of files like tegra_gpio, tegra_rpc, etc on there.

Yeah, it has to be. But I haven't seen it referred to as Tegra anywhere other than by the official NVIDIA Tegra twitter. But, they never mentioned Tegra2.. which they always mention. Hmmm..
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oxeneers said:
Yeah, it has to be. But I haven't seen it referred to as Tegra anywhere other than by the official NVIDIA Tegra twitter. But, they never mentioned Tegra2.. which they always mention. Hmmm..
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Run Quadrant and see if it says Ventana under CPU Hardware?
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Jocelyn said:
Run Quadrant and see if it says Ventana under CPU Hardware?
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Yes please do, or $cat /proc/cpuinfo or Android System Info -> System -> Expand CPU. If its like the other dev/carrier/test unit posted in this area it will say "p3" which is anybodys guess as to what that is (might be Samsung packaged Tegra special stuff they bought from nVidia.) Or......crazy unfounded theory here:
Tegra 3.....

I owned a xoom and it also bogged down.

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here you go
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...rizon-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-android-tablet/

I am really sad to see this
but did you see others having the same problem ? maybe your tab is faulty
I hope the final version will be better
Edit: btw I see Xoom is lagging in games after 3.1 update :S

Can this actually play videos? Or do we have the same playback issues the xoom is plagued with?
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kponti said:
Can this actually play videos? Or do we have the same playback issues the xoom is plagued with?
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Play videos from what, the browser via Flash or YouTube app? What do you mean..

xavierdylan said:
here you go
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...rizon-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-android-tablet/
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His remarks on the screen are insulting. Side by side with the iPad 2 the galaxy tab is clearly brighter and more vibrant and that's saying alot because the ipad screen is damn good. I had the xoom, that screen is awful, well not awful it just I was spoiled by the iPad screen.
As for tegra, yes it is, how do I know? It sucks at 720p high profile videos ..player helps out a little bit
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kponti said:
Can this actually play videos? Or do we have the same playback issues the xoom is plagued with?
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I suspect this will still have all the same video play back issues and dramas that the Xoom, Transformer, and other Tegra 2 devices have.

bobdude5 said:
His remarks on the screen are insulting. Side by side with the iPad 2 the galaxy tab is clearly brighter and more vibrant and that's saying alot because the ipad screen is damn good. I had the xoom, that screen is awful, well not awful it just I was spoiled by the iPad screen.
As for tegra, yes it is, how do I know? It sucks at 720p high profile videos ..player helps out a little bit
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Yeah, I like this line from the article...
"It won’t win any kind of awards for its brightness or crispness – unfortunately, it’s just LCD, rather than AMOLED"
Just LCD? It's certainly not as bright and crisp as all those other AMOLED tab.... oh wait, there are no AMOLED tablets.
I'm also disappointed it only has wifi instead of a flux capacitor. So old school.

Samsung is known for their amoled screens in their android phones.I'm on one now what with my little vibrant and it is staggeringly beautiful compared to most regular lcds. I'm personally still holding out and hoping a tablet with a similarly wonderful screen will eventually appear, as its hard to go back after using this

Ravynmagi said:
Yeah, I like this line from the article...
"It won’t win any kind of awards for its brightness or crispness – unfortunately, it’s just LCD, rather than AMOLED"
Just LCD? It's certainly not as bright and crisp as all those other AMOLED tab.... oh wait, there are no AMOLED tablets.
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The guys comments in the review about the screen are rubbish. it much better than the xoom. the colours are much more vibrant and the images a lot more crisp! He is either comparing it to the amoled phone screen or he is an apple fanboy.

I own a Galaxy Tab 10.1v, in Quadrant it says for CPU:
Name: ARMv7 Processor rev0 (v7l)
Current freq.: 216MHz
Max freq: 1000 MHz
Min freq: 216MHz
Cores: 2
Architecture: 7
BogoMIPS: 999.42
Hardware: P3
Revision: 0
Serial #: 000000000000000000
For GPU it says:
Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer: NVIDIA AP
Version: OpenGL ES-CM 1.1
Max texture units: 2
Max texture size: 2048
Max lights: 8
Not sure what that means... Does that mean it's a Tegra2 or not?
EDIT: I just watched your video, your device seems to have tons of more lag than mine does. I have not lag at all playing Fruit Ninja HD... I have to say though, I rooted my device, I found it really laggy at starts, so I went into SetCPU to check if my device was underclocked or locked. I found out that the scaling was set to Interactive, I changed this to OnDemand which was superior in my experience... After doing that I saw a noticable difference in the menu's and playing Angry Birds...
When I used to play Angry Birds and pulled a bird back before launch it would have the same lag that you have in your video's... Now it's silky smooth

I have a google i/o one...
cat /proc/cpuinfo says:
Processor : ARMv7 Processor rev 0 (v7l)
processor : 0
BogoMIPS : 1998.84
processor : 1
BogoMIPS : 1998.84
Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp vfpv3 vfpv3d16
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant : 0x1
CPU part : 0xc09
CPU revision : 0
Hardware : p3
Revision : 000b
Serial : 32479030325.....
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oxeneers said:
Really frustrating to see that THD versions of games are not as frame rate heavy as they are on the Xoom.
Check out the video I put up to see what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfNJ8kIblR8
What do you guys think?
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This video is rubbish. First off, what Android version is he running, and what is he running in the background. Android 3.1 made my Xoom seem 25% faster. On my Xoom, if I have alot of items running in the background and I don't use task killer or close the apps manually like nes, snes, emulators, etc, some games rarely will bog down. Notice the video is zoomed in and doesnt show the task bar.
This guy could be a inferior pad2, I mean ipad2 fan, so beware and ignore this article.

DensoYamaha41 said:
This video is rubbish. First off, what Android version is he running, and what is he running in the background. Android 3.1 made my Xoom seem 25% faster. On my Xoom, if I have alot of items running in the background and I don't use task killer or close the apps manually like nes, snes, emulators, etc, some games rarely will bog down. Notice the video is zoomed in and doesnt show the task bar.
This guy could be a inferior pad2, I mean ipad2 fan, so beware and ignore this article.
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Haha, dude.. you are way off point. I am running 3.0 on the 10.1 tab, OBVIOUSLY, since that's the only version out for it right now. SINCE IT'S NOT EVEN OUT YET.
And I absolutely love the tablet. I am just wondering if there's something wrong. Nothing is running in the background. I am just wondering why the hell there's any lag. I also own a Xoom. So, relax.
There's a reason I've been going to I/O ever year for the last 3 years and you were sitting at home crying.

oxeneers said:
Haha, dude.. you are way off point. I am running 3.0 on the 10.1 tab, OBVIOUSLY, since that's the only version out for it right now. SINCE IT'S NOT EVEN OUT YET.
And I absolutely love the tablet. I am just wondering if there's something wrong. Nothing is running in the background. I am just wondering why the hell there's any lag. I also own a Xoom. So, relax.
There's a reason I've been going to I/O ever year for the last 3 years and you were sitting at home crying.
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Sorry, I didnt meant any disrespect. So the Samsung doesnt have 3.1 yet? My Xoom updated itself last Friday to 3.1. It made a huge difference in performance. Give us an update when the Samsung is running 3.1.
Also has anybody seen a video or pics of the Samsung 10.1 next the to iPad 2? My friend keeps rubbing it in on how much better the iPad2 screen is to the Xoom. I cant wait to get the Samsung.

OUYA 2 with Tegra K1, AMD Mullins or Intel Silvermont?

What about OUYA 2 with Tegra 5?:cyclops:
It could be beast
Tegra k1 should be more powerful than 8800 GTX with Kepler and 28nm or better 20nm :fingers-crossed: it's like GT 740M in newest laptops and 64bits processing :fingers-crossed: everything with 2W TDP (This seems unbelievable).
Porting PC games to OUYA like a boss :good:
Code:
http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/168881-nvidias-next-gen-logan-chip-gets-some-facetime-shows-what-mobile-kepler-can-do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra
History repeats itself! They used Cortex-15 instead of Cortex-A50, goodbye power.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-k1-processor.html
But GPU could be good something like GT630
$99 for OUYA 2 with Tegra 5, 2GB RAM and 32GB rom
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Edit: Tegra 5 = Tegra K1
But it's probably never happen. They should release Tegra K1 in end of the 2014 Next NVIDIA fail!
And the power consumption is 5W AMD and Intel has max 4W and usually about 2W.
But AMD Mullins look pretty good and Intel Silvermont is looking also good.
Main picture of OUYA on this forum should be this:

You're blowing my mind man!! It would be amazing if that ever happened.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
You're blowing my mind man!! It would be amazing if that ever happened.
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:laugh::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
I think Tegra 5 can be even more awesome, because Apple's 64bit processor, Tegra 5 could be 64bit too and 64bit Android and OUYA 2 :laugh: :fingers-crossed: Maybe more than 4GB RAM :laugh:

I really doubt want to interrupt your dreams, but this doesn't sound realistic to me.
Besides that, ouya never tried to deliver extreme performance with cutting edge hardware. It's main purpose is a solid platform for independent games of which very little rally need the power tegra 3 could really deliver. I think tegra4 or even snapdragon 600 or 800, 2gb team 32 gb rom at max do sound way more realistic. But I doubt they can stay below 100 bucks then.
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Sorry for a bummer but OUYA is all about indie and retro games. Get a PS4 if you want Real gaming.
BTW, if you wish to run graphics hungry games on OUYA, change HDMI output to 720p (using Xposed mod), it will give you atleast 30fps in games like Asphalt 8. Makes me more than happy.

thats a shame and I hope it changes it's marketing on that.

taranfx said:
Sorry for a bummer but OUYA is all about indie and retro games. Get a PS4 if you want Real gaming.
BTW, if you wish to run graphics hungry games on OUYA, change HDMI output to 720p (using Xposed mod), it will give you atleast 30fps in games like Asphalt 8. Makes me more than happy.
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There is no working resolution at 720p. Check it with CPU-Z and test in Nenamark you will get same FPS. True 720p is in Tegraoverclock for OUYA, but there is not fullscreen because of Android 4.1. You should look in Tegra Overclock OUYA thread.
Asadullah said:
thats a shame and I hope it changes it's marketing on that.
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But now we have EternityProject

Mattthev said:
What about OUYA 2 with Tegra 5?:cyclops:
It could be beast
$99 for OUYA 2 with Tegra 5, 2GB RAM and 32GB rom
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Oh wait, they already TOOK your money...or you wouldn't be posting here
BTW: it's not Tegra 5...but Tegra K1, announced today. 192 cores that might be running 4.1.1 if it's in an Ouya.

It's a nice thought. But there would need to be a decent game line up before I throw my money at another dust collector

Ipse_Tase said:
Oh wait, they already TOOK your money...or you wouldn't be posting here
BTW: it's not Tegra 5...but Tegra K1, announced today. 192 cores that might be running 4.1.1 if it's in an Ouya.
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Yes They screwed me up.
Everyday I play lagging GTA SA or can't play movies form USB 3.0 I get mad. I hope EPRJ going to help us.
But something like OUYA with Tegra K1 (please be powerful not like Tegra 3 or 4), with CM 11 and ultimate custom kernel :fingers-crossed:

I really hope that OUYA goes for the Tegra K1.
Just got an OUYA for Christmas BTW. Loving every minute of with this little machine.

No Need for ouya 2
I think the ouya tegra3 quadcore has Power enough.
Theres actually no need for better CPU Specs.
But often buggy Software should proceed and the laggy controller shoud reworked

Einradbrot said:
I think the ouya tegra3 quadcore has Power enough.
Theres actually no need for better CPU Specs.
But often buggy Software should proceed and the laggy controller shoud reworked
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CPU is good, but GPU is a crap.

Mattthev said:
CPU is good, but GPU is a crap.
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Both are old and weak considering a three year old chipset. My S4 as example plays all newer 3d games and emulators like MAME and PSP much smoother at twice the res of my Tegra 3 devices.
Likely option is for the O2 (if one is ever released) to have a low cost, but MUCH more capable S600 in it. That is if $99 is the price point.

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Both are old and weak considering a three year old chipset. My S4 as example plays all newer 3d games and emulators like MAME and PSP much smoother at twice the res of my Tegra 3 devices.
Likely option is for the O2 (if one is ever released) to have a low cost, but MUCH more capable S600 in it. That is if $99 is the price point.
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RK3288 look better with Mali-T76x

Would never waste my money on another ouya unless it runs stock android and I can run STANDARD ANDROID apps on it. Most disappointment i have ever had with a piece of hardware. I am all for android consoles I have been thinking about what i would do with one since the ouya was announced and even though i own an ouya i still havnt done the things that i was planning on doing. I do them with my tablet connect to hdmi but the ouya has no standard framework so loading apps is a finger crossed while praying affair and 75% of the standard apps don't work. Hell it cant even play games that my nexus 7 plays, modern combat perfect no lag on highwith nexus 7 on ouya with low settings it studders the entire time and is barely playable same with gta san andreas, hey but at least those two games work unlike the other 90% of gamepad supported android games that dont even load. Whoever releases the K1 in a console that runs stock android first is who is gonna get my next android purchase preorder.

huckjam said:
Would never waste my money on another ouya unless it runs stock android and I can run STANDARD ANDROID apps on it. Most disappointment i have ever had with a piece of hardware.
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I'm with you about to put mine on craigslist. It wasn't a bad console but the game selection is what killed me. When I saw titles like shadowgun I thought other companies would be able to easily port their games to it but...... well you know the rest.

Even an Ouya with Snapdragon 800 would be a lot better than with Tegra 3.
many games lag on the current Ouya, even N64 emulators could run better.
I'd gladly have an Ouya with better hardware specs to use ppsspp properly.

[Discussion] M9+ benchmarks, real life performance experiences

All HTC M9+ owners!
We're a handful yet on XDA, but getting more and more as the device is rolling out to more locations. and people who look for an elegant, high end device with premium build quality and the extra features like fingerprint scanner and 2K display and the duo camera settle with this fantastic device. It's not the perfect for everything unfortunately, not the best gaming phone out there, but in my experience a very well performing device in terms of phone call quality, reception quality, wifi power, multimedia, battery, display panel and overall UX feel, smoothness. High end games of latest year 2015 might stutter a bit here and there or lack some important shaders to compensate, but nonetheless good for last years (2014 and before 3D gaming and all kinds of 2D games), let's gather the experience and benchmarks of this unique device which was maybe the first MTK device in alubody
Let's discuss performance related experience, real user feel/experience and benchmarks free of whining, facing the truth that in some respects it's not the top-notch device, but let the curious ones who consider to buy this device, know what to expect if choosing this elegant business class phone.
I'll start with some of my benchmarks result screenshots in separate posts.
UPDATE:
Here's my short game testing video on M9+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmLGCoI4NLw

Antutu on stock Europe base 1.61
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My real life experience is that in everyday chores, the phone is very snappy, with some small lags when starting new apps to the memory. Task switching is quite good.
There's unfortunately some memory leak issue with 5.0.x Android version which after a while kicks in (on most 5.0.x devices as well), but overall the UX smoothness is just quite good. Occasionally there are some apps that brings up popup windows a bit stuttery, like facebook comments animation tends to be a bit stuttery.
The Sense Home/Blink Feed experience is just perfect. At normal operations, when no big application updates are happening in the background, I never faced any lags on the Sense Home UI.
As for the games, games from and before 2014 run perfectly. New ones might get some shaders removed, or with reduced polygon counts, so don't expect a jaw dropping 3D experience. If you are ok with last years (2014 and before) 3d game quality, M9+ is quite good, but latest games will be most probably running in the dumbed down mode accordingly to the PowerVR GPU the M9+ with mtk chipset has. The phone keeps a good temperature mostly, except when charging battery and at the same time playing 3D heavy games. (But that's expected from most devices, especially with alu body)
The screen quality is quite good, i've got a perfect panel with the first unit I got, and the refresh rate is 60hz, smooth and with lovely dpi and brightness of 2K.
The benchmarks show a general good performance with operations bound to the CPU. Where the MTK chip comes shorthanded is the GPU part. All tests show 3D performance that is below 2014's flagships performance by far. The GPU PowerVR 6200 is the same that was built into iPhone5s, which let's face is a mediocre GPU for a 2K display. If you face this fact and accept that gaming won't be with the highest quality textures and shaders, probably you won't be disappointed.
I'm curious what others think...

Played with it for a few hours. First impression is that it's clearly slower then the M9. The fingerprint sensor is almost perfect, a few hit and misses. I'll be back after a few days of using it with a more adequate feedback.
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That's why I don't trust benchmarks at all: @tbalden benchmarks shows it should be on par with the M9, I got those scores on mine; but the 3D department is awful to say the least, Godfire is light years away on the M9

DeadPotato said:
That's why I don't trust benchmarks at all: @tbalden benchmarks shows it should be on par with the M9, I got those scores on mine; but the 3D department is awful to say the least, Godfire is light years away on the M9
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Yeah, tho the benchmarks 3d score on antutu is more than half less, 3d is 9k on m9+ and 21k on m9, so after all it tells you something true. The CPU of the m9+ is quite good while the gpu is rather old, from the iPhone5S era when the display resolutions were much smaller. That says it all.
So everyday chores are quite snappy on the phone and gaming is mediocre on high end games.

tbalden said:
Yeah, tho the benchmarks 3d score on antutu is more than half less, 3d is 9k on m9+ and 21k on m9, so after all it tells you something true. The CPU of the m9+ is quite good while the gpu is rather old, from the iPhone5S era when the display resolutions were much smaller. That says it all.
So everyday chores are quite snappy on the phone and gaming is mediocre on high end games.
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I see didn't notice that, I don't understand Mediatek though, why did they put such an outdated Graphics card on their 'flagship' processor?

DeadPotato said:
I see didn't notice that, I don't understand Mediatek though, why did they put such an outdated Graphics card on their 'flagship' processor?
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Indeed, it should have been a better one, although it's a question to explore if the SoC could or couldn't handle a higher bandwidth of system memory to gpu memory. Maybe they simply don't have a better gpu compatible or there are technical difficulties with incorporating one.
Either way the CPU itself is a promising high end one, and unfortunately we can't help with the gpu part. Maybe there will be some possibility to tweak it on kernel level. Remains to be seen, but I'm not holding breath, no wonders can be done

tbalden said:
Indeed, it should have been a better one, although it's a question to explore if the SoC could or couldn't handle a higher bandwidth of system memory to gpu memory. Maybe they simply don't have a better gpu compatible or there are technical difficulties with incorporating one.
Either way the CPU itself is a promising high end one, and unfortunately we can't help with the gpu part. Maybe there will be some possibility to tweak it on kernel level. Remains to be seen, but I'm not holding breath, no wonders can be done
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Ya I agree, sad thing CPU wise Mediatek is doing a very good job to enter the high-end tier smartphones, but looks like they need to improve a lot GPU wise for the Mediatek Helio X20 to be actually considered a valid option for flagship devices

DeadPotato said:
Ya I agree, sad thing CPU wise Mediatek is doing a very good job to enter the high-end tier smartphones, but looks like they need to improve a lot GPU wise for the Mediatek Helio X20 to be actually considered a valid option for flagship devices
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Second you.
X10 is MTK's first high-end tier SoC. They should equip with high-end graphics card to become well-known,not two-years ago one same with iPhone5s era. Although the most casual gaming is OK,but it is not covered with "flagship" devices.
It's excellent there were some possibility to tweak it on kernel level. But the Mediatek Helio X20 should work better,better & better on GPU part.
Not heavy gamer,the UX is pretty good for me. (Camera is another topic.)
Even I measured the CPU speed with Chess game,the result reached the top-tier.

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FYI.
Mine : stock , Taiwanese base 1.08,rooted device
Sigh.... the result was maxed out for my device on Ice Storm "Extreme".

Very similar result as mine was except ice storm unlimited. I think it might be related to temperature throttling, I'll test it again later.
Yeah, second run on base 1.61

Hello guys,
I live in France and i really look forward the HTC m9+ ; i thinks it is what the M9 should have been, but i don't understand HTC 2015 sh*tty choices of everything.
WHat i would like to know is about battery life ; Can you guys tell me whats about it ?
I just bought galaxy s6 edge a few days ago and it's creepy. I have no battery in the end of afternoon. I don't play games, just few photos and browsing, and messenger sometimes. And anyways i miss boomsound and metal body.
I'm so desapointed. Should never have sold my old one m8 or xperia Z3.
My only hope is turned on lenovo vibe x3 but there is no news since march ...
Thanks guys !

After installing more and more software that is synchronized, like dropbox and a few other my battery life got lower a notch, from 23+ hours to 22+ and average screen on around 4 hrs. All in all, not a miracle, but that's what I usually got with my previous phone, OPO with its larger battery and lower screen resolution. A bit less though, admittedly. So it gets me through the day nicely, but I'm not gaming.
It's average I think. Compared to the amazing Sony z3 compact it's pathetic, my friend's z3c gets 3+ days and 5 hours of screen on time. And I think it's done with some great stock kernel enchanted by Sony engineers and Sony stock rom... wish other phones could do that

Not sure why, I could not choose no lock screen and lock screen without security mode under security settings. Both options are greyed out and it says it is disabled by administrator,encryption policies or other apps.
I only have prey and lockout security installed which could affect this but this was totally fine on my M7 device.
Anyone has any idea? Thank you.

They really should've went with the 801, YES THE 801, for this phone.
On the same resolution the adreno 330 has better performance AND the price wouldn't change, really shameful on HTC for picking a MTK SoC (**** or crap).
I am very disappointed.

JellyKitkatLoli said:
They really should've went with the 801, YES THE 801, for this phone.
On the same resolution the adreno 330 has better performance AND the price wouldn't change, really shameful on HTC for picking a MTK SoC (**** or crap).
I am very disappointed.
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1.61 base,stock,rooted
lower the resolution to 1080P,just for fun.
GPU do tie down the result,right?

yvtc75 said:
1.61 base,stock,rooted
lower the resolution to 1080P,just for fun.
GPU do tie down the result,right?
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Yes, and it's fairly accurate.
I got 11871 with 2K, I couldn't screenshot as it doesn't know how to (Doesn't work above 1080p without dedicated software for it).
M8 1080p.
Also now that I look at it, your cpu integer is out of proportion due to all the cores the MTK SoC has lol, too bad that has no real life use, and as you can see single core performance is much better on the 801 :/.

JellyKitkatLoli said:
Also now that I look at it, your cpu integer is out of proportion due to all the cores the MTK SoC has lol, too bad that has no real life use, and as you can see single core performance is much better on the 801 :/.
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hmmm......
The efficiency of SW decode will be performed vividly by multi-cores in your real life.
There were much comparison between MT6795(not "T") and SD801 in this site.
About the browser speed, RAR compression ,real gaming, power consumption........
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3825199511?see_lz=1#69839534914l

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GPU do tie down the result,right?
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Are those results after reducing resolution to 1080p, did I read correctly? Because if that's the case, it's sad to confirm the limits of the 3D graphic card as other stated before, if you see the above M8 (which I find surprisingly higher than I experienced on my own M8 anyway) you'll notice even the last year's M8 has a better 3D score, and not to mention the regular M9 which produces almost double of that score. Multicore wise the Helio X10 is a beast, but graphics wise, looks like it's not so much