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Dual-Core phones (Sprint)

I'm starting to notice now that so me are hitting the market. Surely Sprint will lose customers if they don't come out with one soon...
I've seen the echo and I couldn't care less about dual screen....I do care about dual-core though. Has anyone heard of a rumor or announcement regarding Sprint's first dual-core phone?
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Our SGS2, and it will ship with 2.2.1, but 2.3 will be soon to follow, enabling the 3g and 4g radio features. No, really, idunno what sprint has up their butt, probly another overhyped HTC. Or will they try to resurrect palm again??? RIM? I swear they got the brown acid at headquarters... the echo is beyond dumb, no more premier unless you pay for landline minutes nobody uses....???

Overstew said:
I'm starting to notice now that so me are hitting the market. Surely Sprint will lose customers if they don't come out with one soon...
I've seen the echo and I couldn't care less about dual screen....I do care about dual-core though. Has anyone heard of a rumor or announcement regarding Sprint's first dua-lcore phone?
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Just curious why you want dual core outside of saying that you have it? Is there some app in particular that you use that will be updated to use both cores? Most apps that run in the background have so little overhead that a bump in speed is far more beneficial than adding another core. I'd like to have the option of a single multi-threaded core or dual core. I'd take a 1.5Ghz multi thread single core over a 1.0Ghz dual core any day of the week in my phone. Not sure if there is a single droid app out there that would actually have any benefit of another core at all???
I think true benefit would come from a heterogeneous processor design that basically fed all of the 'phone' functions to a 100Mhz or so core that did nothing but "basic" phone functions. Any graphics or other type processing would rely on the video unit as well as the "high speed" core, which is typically switched off when the phone is being used as a phone, or is idle waiting for a call, etc.... The video cpu should have adequate ram to store icons and stuff of the such where screen rotations, page flips, etc... should be instantaneous. There shouldn't be any lag when rotating orientations and what not. Battery life could be significantly greater using a low power/speed cpu when that's all that is required.

I agree with the last post. The only reason to upgrade to a dual core phone today is to future proof yourself and maybe a bit more efficient battery usage. Seems like as it stands now, it's the eqivalent of buying a high end blu-ray player just to watch standard DVDs.
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I have been reading the forum for a while now and the only use I could tell would be compiling packages or roms. Dual core would definitely help with that. Outside of that it would just be a benchmark machine. There are two ways to use a dual core chip. Either you can program code to run across both cores at the same time(which most programmers do not do if you couldn't tell from the computer side). The simplicity of apps does not really generate a desire for programmers to do this. The other is multitasking. You can run more than one thread at a time since one is going to each. I can't see this helping all that much unless you have programs that run in the background.
I can however see it draining battery. But to each his own.

I bought a ps3 when blu-ray first came out and now I don't have to waste money on a 3d-player
I want a dualcore phone solely for the fact that I'll be futureproof.
Unless its like the epic, I'm not gonna uprade tho. The epic is probably the best single core phone, so hats adequate enough to hold me down until october
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October sh...t ill wait 2 years before i get another phone. let them really get these bugs of the dual cores fixed and smoothed and to let the carriers catch up in the upgrading of android. unless there are some really sweet features that i cant live without and we cant get modded to this phone.

I'll probably wait until they iron things out and see if there will be more implementations to take advantage of the dual core feature, rather than purchasing the first gen models.

Well...to put into perspective of the futureproofability of the epic....the g1 just got a half working port of honeycomb LOL
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A_Flying_Fox said:
I bought a ps3 when blu-ray first came out and now I don't have to waste money on a 3d-player
I want a dualcore phone solely for the fact that I'll be futureproof.
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The PS3 is 5yrs old already. It took more than 2 years for titles to start hitting BluRay regularly. And since that time, the $500 PS3, dropped $100 after just 1yr, and came down another $100 2yrs after that. I'm betting against the "future" having any use for the dual core cells dropping now. Sort of how the future has nothing to do with the Galaxy Tab. By the time the software is written to utilize the Tab, it will be an Atom amongst i3s. If it can run 3.0, it will be so painfully slow that you'll toss it out the window. You may have plans for the 'future', but the future will have no plans for you Why don't you just save $$ by using one's head, and buy things when they can actually be utilized? You haven't had the epic but at most 7 months......keep it a full 2 years and grab the 2nd run of dual cores that have issues sorted out and software to utilize it.
Sort of like buying a USB 3 card 2 years ago for $100 when nothing utilized it. Now that devices are actually releasing for it, they're $27

I am aware technology tends to advance quickly, but why would I want to buy something that would be outdated by the time the next best thing comes out?

Intel mobil .24nm dual core FTW!
Seriously, I don't see how the Galaxy 2 will not have horrible battery time.

As long as they stay away from that Tegra 2 stinker of a dual core. What a let down that is.

muyoso said:
As long as they stay away from that Tegra 2 stinker of a dual core. What a let down that is.
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Hummingbird dual-core makes me drool...

Overstew said:
Hummingbird dual-core makes me drool...
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IDK. I am all about the TI OMAP 4430 with PowerVR SGX 540 clocked at 300mhz. The Optimus 3d has it and it DESTROYS the Tegra 2 and UTTERLY DESTROYS the Exynos Samsung dual core thing. The PowerVR SGX 540 is the exact GPU we have in our phones, except clocked 50% faster. WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check out the anandtech review of the Optimus 3d for benchmarks.

muyoso said:
IDK. I am all about the TI OMAP 4430 with PowerVR SGX 540 clocked at 300mhz. The Optimus 3d has it and it DESTROYS the Tegra 2 and UTTERLY DESTROYS the Exynos Samsung dual core thing. The PowerVR SGX 540 is the exact GPU we have in our phones, except clocked 50% faster. WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check out the anandtech review of the Optimus 3d for benchmarks.
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Is it said what carrier will have the Optimus 3d?
EDIT: Just looked it up, looks like T-Mobile...along with Galaxy S II. WTH? lol

Overstew said:
Is it said what carrier will have the Optimus 3d?
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Haven't seen a carrier yet. Its a damn cool phone and would be awesome for Sprint. I am not into the whole 3d thing yet, but having that option is kind neat. The hardware though, omg the hardware makes me drool.
If only we could overclock our powervr sgx540 gpu, that would be amazing. Not much use at the moment, but if we ever got microusb to hdmi out it would be able to play 1080p as well as the 720p its currently capable of.
Edit: Damnit, T-Mobile gets all of the amazing phones.

muyoso said:
Haven't seen a carrier yet. Its a damn cool phone and would be awesome for Sprint. I am not into the whole 3d thing yet, but having that option is kind neat. The hardware though, omg the hardware makes me drool.
If only we could overclock our powervr sgx540 gpu, that would be amazing. Not much use at the moment, but if we ever got microusb to hdmi out it would be able to play 1080p as well as the 720p its currently capable of.
Edit: Damnit, T-Mobile gets all of the amazing phones.
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Well, I'm taking this link into consideration when I make a conclusion...still kinda iffy though.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110210173729AAswla4

I do plan onkeepingthe epic...its basically the epitome of the single core generation. The only way to one-upit is with dual cores. By the time I have to upgrade, quad cores will be out.
I hate how fast tech gets aged...but the hummingbird is more than dequate for my mobile needs....I mean come on. The epic has been out for 7 months (the galaxy s has been out since may I think...) and only NOW are phones/tablets catching up to its capabilities.
I'm probably not gonnaget a dual core phone. But I wouldn't mind a dual core tablet to compliment the epic for when stuff gets real serious and I need to whip out the pc-grade stuff
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Overstew said:
Well, I'm taking this link into consideration when I make a conclusion...still kinda iffy though.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110210173729AAswla4
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You see the benchmarks on anandtech?
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SGS2(mali400) beats iPad2(sgx543) in GLbenchmark

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I check the GLbenchmark website just now,found that the result of i9100 is now public.
Captured the pictures for your convinience.

If the benchmark only runs at native resolution then this is useless because the iPad has a much higher resolution, therefore it would perform worse. Of course if it runs at a fixed resolution I couldn't be more happy.

I know maybe it's a little bit unfair,it runs at native resolution,but still impressive.
And I did a little calculation with other model's results,the 25% more pixels leads to 12.5% less frames.
iPad 2 have 100% more pixels than SGSII.
(all proximate value)
1.25*1.25*1.25= 2;
0.875*0.875*0.875 =0.67;
So if SGSII has a iPad 2 resolution,the benchmark would be one third less.

Well for me it seems that sgx543 has better performance. But good thing is that it wont be that much.
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enzografix said:
Well for me it seems that sgx543 has better performance. But good thing is that it wont be that much.
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I don't think performance is really that important, tbh. It's all about the kind of games that will be developed for the platforms. For example, even though the original SGS with its sgx540 is FAR better than the iphone 4's sgx535, the quality of games available and its graphics are much MUCH better on the iphone 4. I have both the gulf in class between the two when it comes to the quality of the gaming library is absolutely enormous, and only the tegra 2 phones have done something to bridge this gap for android phones.
One can only imagine the kind of awesome games that will be developed for that beastly sgx543 for the iphone 5. I just hope that the majority of the games will also find their way on the android market and the SGS2 (and not tegra zone), with its ever growing popularity because the mali definitely has the capability to run those games well.
Personally, i feel that the next iteration of the Xperia Play will be the ultimate device for hardcore gamers, beating even the iOS devices at the time. The current one is the ultimate emulation phone thanks to its brilliant gamepad, and runs all oldschool PSX, N64, SNES etc. games with aplomb - and if you're into that kind of thing then it's an absolute joy to behold.

No, most of the scores i've seen and done myself are around 40-44 fps for Mali, NOT 50 fps, I'm not sure what they've done to get over 50 fps but that's not what the phone normally scores.
Also theres a resolution difference.
EDIT: Just rechecked it's on Top not Average, when looking at benchmark numbers you need to look at the average framerate.
It's actually 46.7 fps or the iPad 2 and 40.2 fps for the Galaxy S II.

omersak said:
I don't think performance is really that important, tbh. It's all about the kind of games that will be developed for the platforms. For example, even though the original SGS with its sgx540 is FAR better than the iphone 4's sgx535, the quality of games available and its graphics are much MUCH better on the iphone 4. I have both the gulf in class between the two when it comes to the quality of the gaming library is absolutely enormous, and only the tegra 2 phones have done something to bridge this gap for android phones.
One can only imagine the kind of awesome games that will be developed for that beastly sgx543 for the iphone 5. I just hope that the majority of the games will also find their way on the android market and the SGS2 (and not tegra zone), with its ever growing popularity because the mali definitely has the capability to run those games well.
Personally, i feel that the next iteration of the Xperia Play will be the ultimate device for hardcore gamers, beating even the iOS devices at the time. The current one is the ultimate emulation phone thanks to its brilliant gamepad, and runs all oldschool PSX, N64, SNES etc. games with aplomb - and if you're into that kind of thing then it's an absolute joy to behold.
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If the xperia play has good quality N64 roms, my SGS 2 is going back to mr orange

Honestly benchmarks mean nothing if there's NO apps.
and take it from me, my iOS library is over 600 purchased apps and games, and I've got around 20 purchased games on android.
That's a huge difference, I literally KNOW of every game almost in existence I get them RIGHT away when they come out. I know the very vast differences in choices from Android gaming to iOS.
and I always miss my iOS games when i'm out (android phone) it's a good thing my iPad 2 gives me the Fix I need. =D
for you iOS gamers out there, seriously try out a game called "Battleheart" It will devour your soul... freaking epic game...

MaxxiB said:
If the xperia play has good quality N64 roms, my SGS 2 is going back to mr orange
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You'll be amazed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYodquYXArs
tbh every android phone can run n64 games well i guess, what sets the play apart is that there aren't any ugly and cumbersome touch controls taking up the screen.
But the fact remains that the SGS2, apart from the above, does everything else SO much better!

How many cores?
Can someone confirm if the Mali400 used in GS2 using multi core? I believe I read somewhere that Samsung decided to use only a single core for the GS2.

I think you can find some game pad for android on sale in the near future,since Gingerbread 2.3.4 supports Open Accessory API.
So you can connect to a pad when you play games,and get rid of it when you don't.

Based on some of those scores, it looks like it's hitting the 60fps cap

Even at higher res the exynos scores great, check the hard kernel benches =) their tab uses the same/similar chip
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Bear in mind that the GPU in mobiles tend to clocked lower than that in tablets to keep the power consumption down. So diffcicult to do an apples for apples comparison (excuse the pun) in this case. Will have to wait for iPhone 5 numbers.

rd_nest said:
Can someone confirm if the Mali400 used in GS2 using multi core? I believe I read somewhere that Samsung decided to use only a single core for the GS2.
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What i have read is that it uses a 2 core model. The 4 core model is headed for the Sony NGP.

Papi4baby said:
What i have read is that it uses a 2 core model. The 4 core model is headed for the Sony NGP.
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That's the PowerVR SGX543 you're thinking of. The iPad 2 uses the dual-core variant, the NGP will be using the quad-core variant.
The GS II has a quad-core Mali-400. Anything less, and it would never attain the results it's currently getting on GLBenchmark.

ph00ny said:
Based on some of those scores, it looks like it's hitting the 60fps cap
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The Pro test that's the case but it's not wit the Eqypt test, max is around 50 fps so it never even reaches 60 fps.

NVIDIA Tegra 4 vs Nexus 10 processor

They've unveiled it today
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/06/nvidia-tegra-4-official/
and apparently it's much powerful and faster than the eqynox on the nexus 10, but I don't know that much about this kind of tech, I'm probably finally going to buy the Nexus 10 this week if Samsung doesn't unveil a more powerful tablet, so I was wondering if this Tegra 4 processor is worth waiting for until it's implemented on a tablet.

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Yes that thing is packing heat. Best case, the next device with a tegra 4 will come out next Christmas. Unless they've been hiding something.

cuguy said:
Yes that thing is packing heat. Best case, the next device with a tegra 4 will come out next Christmas. Unless they've been hiding something.
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It will be out somewhere b/w June and August maybe..
It will not take that long ...
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i think march....mark my words

Their browser test is having the Nexus 10 run Chrome while the Tegra runs AOSP. In my eyes that makes it a 100% unfair comparison.
Between bad experiences with Tegra 2 and 3 (Atrix/TF700) and their requirement that Tegra optimized games not run on other SoC vendors without any real reason other than because they can, I cant even consider a mobile Nvidia device. All they're good for is keeping the more reputable chip makers on their toes.

yes it's nice

Would be interesting to see this with both devices running the AOSP browser! From my experience it is much faster than the current chrome version (which still is version 18 on android, compared to 23 on desktop). Maybe the Tegra4 would be faster aswell, but not that much.
Everything on my N10 is extremely fast and fluid, so I wouldn't wait for whenever the first Tegra4 devices will be available. Plus its Nexus so you know what you are buying!

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Their browser test is having the Nexus 10 run Chrome while the Tegra runs AOSP. In my eyes that makes it a 100% unfair comparison.
Between bad experiences with Tegra 2 and 3 (Atrix/TF700) and their requirement that Tegra optimized games not run on other SoC vendors without any real reason other than because they can, I cant even consider a mobile Nvidia device. All they're good for is keeping the more reputable chip makers on their toes.
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Agreed, they're making an Apples and Pears comparison that was undoubtedly set to show the new processor in a good light. It's only to be expected, it is a sales pitch after all. It will no doubt be a faster chip though.
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I would much rather see a couple benchmark runs myself. A time comparison of a web browser is no way to test the power of a new chipset.
Still, I would expect Tegra 4 to be WAY WAY WAY more powerful than the Exynos 5250. Both devices use the A15 architecture, and Tegra 4 has twice as many CPU cores as we have. This alone is already a big boost in multithreaded apps. Then look at the GPU where you cant even compare the two at all except by end result numbers. They are just far too different. We have 4 GPU cores, Tegra 4 has 72 GPU cores. But those cores are designed far differently and not nearly as powerful per core. It is all about the companies definition of what a GPU "core" is. And then you have a smaller process node as well, which by itself already promises to use less power than the larger process node the Exynos 5250 uses.
I would honestly expect the Tegra 4 chipset to completely destroy our tablet in terms of performance, but a much more fair comparison would be to compare the Tegra 4 to the Exynos 5 quad. Those two are actually designed to compete with each other.

If you want to compare exynos and tegra 4 then wait for exynos 5450 (quad a15) which should come with galaxy s4 no of cores makes a difference here t4 is quad but early gl benchmarks show that A6X and exynos 5250 have a better GPU

First Tegra 4 Tablet running stock android 4.2:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3845608/vizio-10-inch-tablet-combines-tegra-4-android-thin-body

Lets hope and pray Vizio managed to add microSD capability to it. Free of Nexus restraints, it should be doable, but since it is running stock JB, the storage would have to be mounted as USB (?) . So far this Vizio 10" was the most exciting Android development out of CES. We have few more our of Press events scheduled in Vegas and then it will be all over

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Lets hope and pray Vizio managed to add microSD capability to it. Free of Nexus restraints, it should be doable, but since it is running stock JB, the storage would have to be mounted as USB (?) . So far this Vizio 10" was the most exciting Android development out of CES. We have few more our of Press events scheduled in Vegas and then it will be all over
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Dont expect the Nexus advantage of up-to-date software or timely updates.

EniGmA1987 said:
I would much rather see a couple benchmark runs myself. A time comparison of a web browser is no way to test the power of a new chipset.
Still, I would expect Tegra 4 to be WAY WAY WAY more powerful than the Exynos 5250. Both devices use the A15 architecture, and Tegra 4 has twice as many CPU cores as we have. This alone is already a big boost in multithreaded apps. Then look at the GPU where you cant even compare the two at all except by end result numbers. They are just far too different. We have 4 GPU cores, Tegra 4 has 72 GPU cores. But those cores are designed far differently and not nearly as powerful per core. It is all about the companies definition of what a GPU "core" is. And then you have a smaller process node as well, which by itself already promises to use less power than the larger process node the Exynos 5250 uses.
I would honestly expect the Tegra 4 chipset to completely destroy our tablet in terms of performance, but a much more fair comparison would be to compare the Tegra 4 to the Exynos 5 quad. Those two are actually designed to compete with each other.
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look at the new iphone only 2 cores (different architecure) beating the higher clock double cored galaxy s3 in some disciplines..
this presentation is scientifically SO SO irrelevant especially becasue they use different software.. I LOL SO HARD at ppl thinking this is anywhere near to be comparable

schnip said:
look at the new iphone only 2 cores (different architecure) beating the higher clock double cored galaxy s3 in some disciplines..
this presentation is scientifically SO SO irrelevant especially becasue they use different software.. I LOL SO HARD at ppl thinking this is anywhere near to be comparable
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The new iPhone 5 doesnt use the same ARM architecture are the S3 though, it is a custom design. So those can be compared against each other fine to see which architecture is better. And if a slower clock speed CPU gets better scores then we know it is a superior design. This is the basis of all benchmarking. If we were only allowed to compare the exact same architectures together then we wouldnt learn anything.
Tegra4 uses a (probably slightly modified) A15 core, and the Exynos 5xxx uses a fairly stock A15 core. So a higher clocked A15 should beat out a lower clocked A15 in a direct comparison no matter what. Then when you throw 2 additional cores on top it should always win in multithreaded benchmarks too. Seems pretty common sense to me.
The main difference will be in the graphics side of things, where Nvidia has their own designed GPU compared to Samsung's use of the Mali GPU's.
You can still compare them together just fine, it just need to be both of them on the same browser if there is a browser comparison being done. In this PR release, Nvidia skewed the results like all companies do. So we cant really see the difference between the two from those pictures and we need to wait for 3rd party review sites to do proper testing to see actual results. Yet we can still estimate performance plenty fine since we have a baseline of the architecture already with this tablet.

"Tegra 4 more powerful than Nexus 10"... well duh! It's a new chip just unveiled by nvidia that won't show up in any on sale devices for at least a couple of months. Tablet and smartphone tech is moving very quickly at the moment, nvidia will hold the android performance crown for a couple of months and then someone (probably samsung or qualcomm) will come along with something even more powerful. Such is the nature of the tablet/smartphone market. People that hold off on buying because there is something better on the horizon will be waiting forever because there will always be a better device just a few months down the line!

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The new iPhone 5 doesnt use the same ARM architecture are the S3 though, it is a custom design. So those can be compared against each other fine to see which architecture is better. And if a slower clock speed CPU gets better scores then we know it is a superior design. This is the basis of all benchmarking. If we were only allowed to compare the exact same architectures together then we wouldnt learn anything.
Tegra4 uses a (probably slightly modified) A15 core, and the Exynos 5xxx uses a fairly stock A15 core. So a higher clocked A15 should beat out a lower clocked A15 in a direct comparison no matter what. Then when you throw 2 additional cores on top it should always win in multithreaded benchmarks too. Seems pretty common sense to me.
The main difference will be in the graphics side of things, where Nvidia has their own designed GPU compared to Samsung's use of the Mali GPU's.
You can still compare them together just fine, it just need to be both of them on the same browser if there is a browser comparison being done. In this PR release, Nvidia skewed the results like all companies do. So we cant really see the difference between the two from those pictures and we need to wait for 3rd party review sites to do proper testing to see actual results. Yet we can still estimate performance plenty fine since we have a baseline of the architecture already with this tablet.
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That was kind of his point.
I don't think anyone is denying that the tegra will be faster. What's being disputed here is just how much faster it is. Personally, I don't think it'll be enough to notice in everyday use. Twice the cores does not automatically a faster CPU make, you need software that can properly take advantage and even then is not a huge plus in everyday tasks. Also, in the past Nvidia has made pretty crappy chips due to compromise. Good example being how the tegra 2 lacked neon support. The only concrete advantages I see are more cores and a higher clock rate.

Based on the hype : performance ratio of both Tegra 2 & 3 I wouldn't have high hopes until I see legit benchmark results.
What does seem promising though, is the fact that they are making more significant changes than from T2 to T3, such as dual channel memory (finally after 1-2 years of all other SoCs having it -.-) and the GPU cores are different too.
Still, the GPU has always been the weakest point of Tegra, so I still don't think it can beat an overclocked T-604 by much, even though this time around they will not be the first ones to debut a next-gen SoC. Given the A15 architecture they can't really screw up the CPU even if they wanted to, so that should be significantly faster than the Exynos 5 Dual.
I've also just read this article on Anandtech about power consumption and the SoC in the Nexus 10 consumes multiple times as much power as other tablet chipsets, making me wonder how nVidia plans to solve the battery life issue with 2 times as many cores and a (seemingly) beefier GPU, not even mentioning implementation in phones..

freshlysqueezed said:
First Tegra 4 Tablet running stock android 4.2:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3845608/vizio-10-inch-tablet-combines-tegra-4-android-thin-body
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Apparently this is the tablet that comes to take Nexus 10 spot, Vizio 10 inch tablet with Tegra 4, 2560 x 1600 resolution, 32gb storage, Android 4.2. And it should be coming out Q1 2013, I think this one makes me wait to hear some more about it until I buy the Nexus 10, although to be honest the brand is a bit of a let down for me.
Edit: the 10-inch model, key specs (aside from Tegra 4) include a 2,560 x 1,600 display, 32GB of on-board memory, NFC and dual 5MP / 1.3MP cameras.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/07/vizio-10-inch-tegra-4-tablet-hands-on/

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Tekken 6
RetroArch- FREE
Pier Solar

mejdam said:
These are not my videos but they do demostrate what Emulators work on the Nividia Shield Tablet
Dolphine Emulator
DraStic DS
Mupen64plus AE
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you can link EverythingPortable youtube videos which has many videos of emulators on the shield tablet(and other devices)
as for dolphin having play store link is okay but the playstore version of emulator has not been updated in almost a year and I think had a couple of stuff broken(only software renderer worked if I remember correctly and that will only get you about 1 fps on any game) you should consider linking the dolphin emu android buildbot page(installs as normal apk, if you have playstore version installed it won't install) which has the latest dev builds and actually can perform with decent fps(expecially on shield tablet)

Sincerely, I LOVE that thread ^_^ I am a retrogamer... I love the emulation world and I bought the first SHIELD Console just to play my retrogames.
For the updates, nightly also, take a look to: www.emucr.com

Emulation king!!!
As Someone who brought the Shield Tablet mostly for retro gaming on Console mode, I can tell that I am blown away! :good:
I obviously knew it could handle NES,GBA,SNES,PS1,GEN,MAME roms, but I glad to report that is plays all n64,DreamCast,PSP,DS games I have tried so far at 100% speed without dropping any frames or audio lag. And trust me, in the last month I have tried at least a 100 roms.:victory:
I'm definitely loving local multi Player on Console mode. And with my 3 Nvidia Controllers/MAME Emulator, me and my friends have played through most of our childhood arcade games together (TMNT,SF2,GAUNTLET,etc.) :highfive:
Loving the memories this thing is bringing back, but I'm disliking the lack of sleep due to the fact that I've been on it playing games nonstop
...omg I forgot to go to work week

Hi
Thank you for linking to my channel, very appreciated. After using the Shield tablet for a while, and testing many of the emulators, i can say that it is clearly the most powerful tablet for emulators. Dolphin is the emulator that struggles the most, but looks like the developers really working hard on making it run better on android. Great thread!!

This thread title is a little misleading. It should probably be changed to something like 'Emulators on Nvidia Shield' or something.
As a second matter, has anyone noticed lag/audio muting in some emulators? reicast and RetorArch is probably the most noticeable offenders, followed by FPSE. I occasionally see framerate drops and the sound either cracks along with them, or goes quiet, then ramps back up in volume quickly. Almost like someone briefly covered the speakers with their hand on accident and then moved them back off.
I want to know how people are getting 100% speed out of reicast and PPSSPP. My experience with PPSSPP has been pretty bad with polygonal games. On 2D games it's less noticeable and there's not much moving.

Here are some videos demonstrating Shield tablet connected to a TV using HDMI (Mirroring) and a PS3 controller. All run at full speed, and PPSSPP at 1080p. My new home console?
Test 1. Dolphin - Pikmin 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4LTOnJaL_k
Test 2. PPSSPP - Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEeFjflGtvQ
Test 3. PPSSPP - LittleBigPlanet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wL8LkV2Dkg

EverythingPortable said:
Hi
Thank you for linking to my channel, very appreciated. After using the Shield tablet for a while, and testing many of the emulators, i can say that it is clearly the most powerful tablet for emulators. Dolphin is the emulator that struggles the most, but looks like the developers really working hard on making it run better on android. Great thread!!
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No prob, especially liked the pikmin 2 in the big screen
As for dolphin struggling that is to be expected(there is yet to be a pc with enough power to run every game 100%) but the shield is pretty much the first device to bring games to playable speeds and boots so wii games(really want wii input) way faster than any other device and don't even get me started on the graphing improvements(i am looking at you Qualcomm) I can't wait for the Denver edition of the tk1
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XxZombiePikachu said:
No prob, especially liked the pikmin 2 in the big screen
As for dolphin struggling that is to be expected(there is yet to be a pc with enough power to run every game 100%) but the shield is pretty much the first device to bring games to playable speeds and boots so wii games(really want wii input) way faster than any other device and don't even get me started on the graphing improvements(i am looking at you Qualcomm) I can't wait for the Denver edition of the tk1
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Yepp, k1 denver sure is going to be nice playing dolphin on, hopefully we will see the 100% speed improvment that amny developes is expecting

XxZombiePikachu said:
you can link EverythingPortable youtube videos which has many videos of emulators on the shield tablet(and other devices)
as for dolphin having play store link is okay but the playstore version of emulator has not been updated in almost a year and I think had a couple of stuff broken(only software renderer worked if I remember correctly and that will only get you about 1 fps on any game) you should consider linking the dolphin emu android buildbot page(installs as normal apk, if you have playstore version installed it won't install) which has the latest dev builds and actually can perform with decent fps(expecially on shield tablet)
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Oh I didn't even realize the dolphin emulator was still being developed! awesome, ill keep track of the builbot

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Yepp, k1 denver sure is going to be nice playing dolphin on, hopefully we will see the 100% speed improvment that amny developes is expecting
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l still can't believe that you need so much hardware power to emulate a Wii or GameCube ...
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Hudrator said:
l still can't believe that you need so much hardware power to emulate a Wii or GameCube ...
Sent from my SHIELD Tablet using XDA Free mobile app
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Check the boards at dolphin-emu.org for more on this (for starters), Gamecube emulation is much more CPU bound than GPU bound.

Hudrator said:
l still can't believe that you need so much hardware power to emulate a Wii or GameCube ...
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console emulation usually needs about ten times the original power to begin working with an emulator that can be sort of playable, and with gamecube/wii emulators a lot is about cpu power and since it can only use one/two cores it can't take the advantage of multiple cores so currently there is nothing powerful enough to emulate every game which exist for gamecube/wii at 100% and additionally to that t even though dolphin does not rely on gpu you need a good gpu with good drivers for stuff to emulate properly and in the mobile department QUALCOMM is doing good on getting speeds higher but there graphics chips are doing really really bad you have random triangles everywhere and things not properly emulated which is why some of use gamers are really excited with NVidia entering the mobile market(they are bringing speed and graphics); anyways in the pc world they have good cpus and gpus and they help each other but it doesn't help with speed dolphin specializes in emulation loading with the cpu(the faster the cpu the better the games can be played) and then dropping graphics on gpu(the better the gpu the more you can upscale games but that's about it) you can also take a look at the one of the most demanding games which is the legend of zelda twilight princess trust me there is nothing yet which can emulate the entire game 100%. I am not sure if the intels devil canyons cpu series changes anything, the cpu is definitely pushing limits since without overclocking it reaches speeds of 3.0ghz but last years haswell i5-4670k and i7-4790k needed to be overclocked to at least 4.5ghz the highest safe clock speed for that generation to be able to handle playable speeds, was able to handle the 90-100% until the hyrule fields part where a large slowdown begins and continues throughout the rest of the game.... etc
sorry for going off topic everyone back to emulators on the shield tablet

XxZombiePikachu said:
console emulation usually needs about ten times the original power to begin working with an emulator that can be sort of playable, and with gamecube/wii emulators a lot is about cpu power and since it can only use one/two cores it can't take the advantage of multiple cores so currently there is nothing powerful enough to emulate every game which exist for gamecube/wii at 100% and additionally to that t even though dolphin does not rely on gpu you need a good gpu with good drivers for stuff to emulate properly and in the mobile department QUALCOMM is doing good on getting speeds higher but there graphics chips are doing really really bad you have random triangles everywhere and things not properly emulated which is why some of use gamers are really excited with NVidia entering the mobile market(they are bringing speed and graphics); anyways in the pc world they have good cpus and gpus and they help each other but it doesn't help with speed dolphin specializes in emulation loading with the cpu(the faster the cpu the better the games can be played) and then dropping graphics on gpu(the better the gpu the more you can upscale games but that's about it) you can also take a look at the one of the most demanding games which is the legend of zelda twilight princess trust me there is nothing yet which can emulate the entire game 100%. I am not sure if the intels devil canyons cpu series changes anything, the cpu is definitely pushing limits since without overclocking it reaches speeds of 3.0ghz but last years haswell i5-4670k and i7-4790k needed to be overclocked to at least 4.5ghz the highest safe clock speed for that generation to be able to handle playable speeds, was able to handle the 90-100% until the hyrule fields part where a large slowdown begins and continues throughout the rest of the game.... etc
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Even Devil's Canyon is not sufficient for 100% smooth game play in the most demanding games, so mobile CPUs are fair ways off!
That's why the 64-bit K1 is anticipated so much by Dolphin developers, apart from the 64-bit architecture having some advantages in itself for them, the main thing is that the two Denver CPU cores are meant to provide the same CPU performance as we see here in the quadcore K1, which on face value would mean something approaching a doubling in Dolphin performance. That, coupled with Nvidia's good driver support and documentation, which as you point out is light years ahead of Qualcomms, means we'll be really starting to take some strides on Gamecube emulation in the mobile space.
I think no need to apologise BTW, your post may have spoken to PC emulation a great deal but that was to illustrate the relevance of CPU in emulation on the Shield Tablet, seems on-topic here as far as I can see.
FWIW, I often see people making remarks about "not needing that much power to emulate system X/Y/Z", and pretty much without exception those people are not really familiar with the demands of emulating systems. I see those comments so often that I tend not to bother with lengthy explanations of emulation anymore, so kudos to you sir for taking the time!

Figured id add that for Gameboy and NES John's emulators seem to work very well too, i actually prefer them to retroarch.

If anyone can make the original mariokart multiplayer work over the internet, I will give you one million... hugs!

When I try to open super Mario in dolphin emulator it crash (version from play store) latest from Web just hang and nothing happens. What do I do wrong?

colman1982 said:
When I try to open super Mario in dolphin emulator it crash (version from play store) latest from Web just hang and nothing happens. What do I do wrong?
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Grab the more recent builds from here.
FYI, using an adapter this is possible - easily the best controller for Dolphin:
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This also quite good using the same adapter:

Finally got large wii games to boot, now we need wii controller input support. Here is some videos
Xenoblade Chronicles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zre8JeurpJg
Super Smash Bros Brawl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4POd74H7Qiw
Guide on how to make large games work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz4ECdyNpss

Wavebird controller arrived today just before I left for work. No time to test it out with the adapter, which is meant to work with the Wavebird, at least on the PC side of things. Will update this evening after work!

ONDA V891W - 8.9 IPS FHD, Intel Z3735F 1.83GHz, 2GB RAM, 32GB SSD Windows 8.1 tablet

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Latest Windows tablet model from Onda - V891w.
Trending 8.9 inch design, Full HD screen (perfect resolution for Windows, not too low, but not too high, since Windows doesn't scale very well on higher Retina like resolutions).
Fast Intel Atom Quad core CPU with a very tempting price just around.
Onda V891w - Mod Edit: please do not post commercial links onto xda. Thanks!
Screen 8.9 inch IPS (1920 x 1200px)
CPU Intel Bay Trail Z3735F Quad Core 64Bit 1.83GHz
RAM 2GB
Capacity 32GB + MicroSD up to 128GB
System Windows 8.1
Battery 5000mAh
Size 241x169x8.9mm

I was looking at this at well,
it's like the only 9" windows tablet which i found overall (including non-chinese ones)
and then the specs, with high-res etc and the price, looks a bit too good to be true? its even way cheaper than other ondas.
the back reminds me of my dell venue 8 pro to be fair, but i really like the back there
on banggood it looks like first batch sold out already and they expect a second batch
tinydeal and pandawill still have it from what it looks like?
but i cant really find any experience reports on the net yet (except one russian youtube video, where he just shows it)

I think that resolution is going to make this a very slow device.
Looks great though., like the Dell

ebsbow said:
I think that resolution is going to make this a very slow device.
Looks great though., like the Dell
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what u mean with slow device?
as long as videoplay in that resolution works flawless, browsing and office software aswell, that would be sufficient for me

Bowsing is memory and gpu intensive. And at that reolution I'm guessing you want
to see 1080p contend and use other browser. Forget smoothness at that resolution on an Z3735G.
Just saying. Looks sweet though.
HoR77 said:
what u mean with slow device?
as long as videoplay in that resolution works flawless, browsing and office software aswell, that would be sufficient for me
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ebsbow said:
Bowsing is memory and gpu intensive. And at that reolution I'm guessing you want
to see 1080p contend and use other browser. Forget smoothness at that resolution on an Z3735G.
Just saying. Looks sweet though.
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it's a Z3775F (which unfortunately is even a bit slower?)
for me this are just numbers and i have 0 experience with these hardware specs, but if someone says it won't be smooth then i would probably be looking for a different tablet? :/
1080p playback would be the major issue for me btw, i will only browse 1 tab with it, it's not a working machine, it would be for travels or for my couch/bed

Also not working and have 7 tabs open ? lucky number.
It's a Z3735F you mean, right? A Z3775 would be sweet but expensive.
You can always check devices with the same specs for there performance. Lots
of those.. A few at least.. all sluggish. Z3740 would even struggle.
HoR77 said:
it's a Z3775F (which unfortunately is even a bit slower?)
for me this are just numbers and i have 0 experience with these hardware specs, but if someone says it won't be smooth then i would probably be looking for a different tablet? :/
1080p playback would be the major issue for me btw, i will only browse 1 tab with it, it's not a working machine, it would be for travels or for my couch/bed
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ebsbow said:
Also not working and have 7 tabs open ? lucky number.
It's a Z3735F you mean, right? A Z3775 would be sweet but expensive.
You can always check devices with the same specs for there performance. Lots
of those.. A few at least.. all sluggish. Z3740 would even struggle.
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yeah typo, wanted to point out the F instead of the D
i will have a look at that tomorrow, but u crushed my dreams already
but well better to find out before i buy it

crushed my dreams, seriously? If you dont like the answer then
dont go looking for it. This is still xda developers, not the kmart website...

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crushed my dreams, seriously? If you dont like the answer then
dont go looking for it. This is still xda developers, not the kmart website...
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ment it with a lil bit of homour
at first glance this tablet looked perfect, good specs with perfect price, so i was really lookin forward to it
thats the reason i post here, to get some knowledge on things i dont understand (e.g. the intel processors and their performance)
i am obviously thankful for you help !

Just keep your viciousness in tact and you'll do fine.

So i did some research today and tried to look how the CPU is working, couldnt find anything useful there, so i tried finding a tablet/notebook which has the same CPU in it with a screen running same resolution aswell:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-Switch-10-Full-HD-Convertible-Review-Update.129800.0.html
From what i read here, it says basically that it isnt the fastest machine on earth, but that it's still running well and gets the job done?
Obviously not a gaming machine, but don't that 1080 videoplayback or normal surfing can't be done with it

HoR77 said:
it's a Z3775F (which unfortunately is even a bit slower?)
for me this are just numbers and i have 0 experience with these hardware specs, but if someone says it won't be smooth then i would probably be looking for a different tablet? :/
1080p playback would be the major issue for me btw, i will only browse 1 tab with it, it's not a working machine, it would be for travels or for my couch/bed
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i have the Onda v975w. it has the z3735f cpu and it has a retina display (2,048 x 1,536). it plays 1080p perfectly, it could play 1080p video while web browsing without a hitch although a bit tight on screen space

Tonian1878 said:
i have the Onda v975w. it has the z3735f cpu and it has a retina display (2,048 x 1,536). it plays 1080p perfectly, it could play 1080p video while web browsing without a hitch although a bit tight on screen space
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i have Onda V975W too. Even 4k 60FPS youtube videos plays without a slightest hitch, that is the power of Intel QSV and Windows 8.1!
I will upload some videos later.
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From what i read here, it says basically that it isnt the fastest machine on earth, but that it's still running well and gets the job done?
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No, it blows crap out of EVERY ANDROID and iPAD tablet ever made! Intel Bay trail chipset has more power than most budget notobooks from the previous year.
Intel subsides Bay Trail CPUs up to $50 each, just to beet crap out of competition and take market from ARM.
This tablet runs 4k video, it can even encode them and run older games like Counter Strike Source or Call of Duty 4 at playable FPS rate.

Seriously.. z3735f is an low end cpu..
Don't misinform people, sir.

ebsbow said:
Seriously.. z3735f is an low end cpu..
Don't misinform people, sir.
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Very nice advice, so why you don't use it more often?
Here is my video with the cheapest and most basic: 8 inch / Intel Atom Z3735G / 1GB RAM / 8GB SSD / Windows 8.1 tablet.

I should
Quick reminder, Z3735f is the most basic. G and D only differ in memory size.
Originalas said:
Very nice advice, so why you don't use it more often?
Here is my video with the cheapest and most basic: 8 inch / Intel Atom Z3735G / 1GB RAM / 8GB SSD / Windows 8.1 tablet.
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I should
Quick reminder, Z3735f is the most basic. G and D only differ in memory size.
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The Z3735G has one 32-bit memory channel, whereas the F has one 64-bit channel. The F has a max memory bandwidth of ~10.6GB/s, the G ~5.3GB/s.
If you have to choice between a F and a G then pick the F.

Yep, that's true. Can't argue with that..

My Onda has Z3735D and eStar Z3735G, but I haven't noticed any real difference. Maybe because both comes with Windows x86 or 32bit is still more than enough for 2GB RAM.
Both scores identical 67FPS in Counter Strike Source stress test.