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If Nexus S (2?) has similar hardware to Galaxy S, is it easy to port 2.3?

Even though I have followed dev/porting for 8 months starting with HTC Touch, I have little knowledge of how it is actually done. So here's my question to the developers.
We all know that Nexus S (2?) will have Gingerbread 2.3. Looking at the rumored specs and model number, it seems that Nexus S is a slight upgrade from Galaxy S.
Assuming most of the hardware is identical to Galaxy S, how easy is it to port 2.3 to Epic 4G, once Galaxy S becomes available?
Specifically, what is needed to bake a new 2.3 rom? Do you need to reverse engineer like what devs did on HTC WM devices? Or is it a straight port? I suspect it's somewhere in between but want to hear from you.
(If necessary, please move this to android development forum.)

The simple answer to this (which has been answered in other threads already if you looked) is no its won't be easy.

Also, the Nexus S is rumored and pretty much guaranteed to launch with a dual core processor. The rumor is that they delayed the device and gingerbread to implement this, since it will be google's new flagship device and has to be cutting edge. Everyone knows that dual core processors are set to hit the market within the first couple months of 2011 anyway, so releasing an old generation processor in a flagship google phone just makes no sense.
So no, it will not be easy to port from the Nexus S. It will not only have a completely different processor, but will also probably only be a GSM phone.

muyoso said:
but will also probably only be a GSM phone.
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I agree and think this is the bigger problem (for the Epic at least).
Sure would be nice if the folks at Google would release at one clean Google device for each carrier. I'd be on it in a heart beat.

vansmack said:
I agree and think this is the bigger problem (for the Epic at least).
Sure would be nice if the folks at Google would release at one clean Google device for each carrier. I'd be on it in a heart beat.
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Yes that would be nice if they did that.I am surprised they are even doing another google phone by the way it sounded when they stopped marketing the nexus 1 that had no interest in doing another google branded phone.

muyoso said:
Also, the Nexus S is rumored and pretty much guaranteed to launch with a dual core processor. The rumor is that they delayed the device and gingerbread to implement this, since it will be google's new flagship device and has to be cutting edge. Everyone knows that dual core processors are set to hit the market within the first couple months of 2011 anyway, so releasing an old generation processor in a flagship google phone just makes no sense.
So no, it will not be easy to port from the Nexus S. It will not only have a completely different processor, but will also probably only be a GSM phone.
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Those are just rumors, all of the official specs that have come out say it will be a 1.2ghz hummingbird. The dual core 1ghz orion chip is definitely on the horizon but I highly doubt they will be able to get it in at the last minute, and there's a good chance we won't see it in phones until late next year. All rumors of a dual core Nexus S have had no credibility with their sources.
That said, if this turns out to be a dual core phone and gingerbread turns out to be optimized for dual cores, a port will probably be very difficult. But if it's just a 1.2ghz hummingbird then it would just be a matter of getting the CDMA radio working.

LucJoe said:
Those are just rumors, all of the official specs that have come out say it will be a 1.2ghz hummingbird. The dual core 1ghz orion chip is definitely on the horizon but I highly doubt they will be able to get it in at the last minute, and there's a good chance we won't see it in phones until late next year. All rumors of a dual core Nexus S have had no credibility with their sources.
That said, if this turns out to be a dual core phone and gingerbread turns out to be optimized for dual cores, a port will probably be very difficult. But if it's just a 1.2ghz hummingbird then it would just be a matter of getting the CDMA radio working.
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The reason that I think he has to have a dual core in it is as follows:
If it has a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, BFD. It immediately launches and is mediocre. Nothing exciting at all about it.
If it launches as the first dual core phone, it is the top of the line phone worthy of being branded as a Google flagship device.
Also, if it just had a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, what is the holdup? It is no different from phones released months ago. Also, if its a 1.2 Ghz processor, it will be eclipsed within a matter of a month or two performance wise by Tegra 2 and dual core snapdragon processors. Basically, it would be an embarassing flagship device. The original Nexus is still to this day a damn good phone that is near the top of the pack of android phones performance wise, and it is a year old.

muyoso said:
The reason that I think he has to have a dual core in it is as follows:
If it has a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, BFD. It immediately launches and is mediocre. Nothing exciting at all about it.
If it launches as the first dual core phone, it is the top of the line phone worthy of being branded as a Google flagship device.
Also, if it just had a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, what is the holdup? It is no different from phones released months ago. Also, if its a 1.2 Ghz processor, it will be eclipsed within a matter of a month or two performance wise by Tegra 2 and dual core snapdragon processors. Basically, it would be an embarassing flagship device. The original Nexus is still to this day a damn good phone that is near the top of the pack of android phones performance wise, and it is a year old.
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You are fully aware the the Tegra 2 do not even exceed the hummingbird in gpu or cpu performance right? Im just saying cause it would suck if you didn't know what you're talking about.
Plus gingerbread will have HW acceleration, putting gpu performance on a step for the overall fluidity of the gui. So again... what's faster?

Really? I assumed it would greatly ourperform. Where did u get your facts.
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InfDaMarvel said:
Really? I assumed it would greatly ourperform. Where did u get your facts.
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I'm trying to find the article again, but i know they were close but Tegra 2 did not outperform the hummingbird. Apparently now they optimized the platform more.
Don't get me wrong i love nvidia, that's all i've purchased and stayed with them even thou they still dont have a decent dx11 card that doesnt need 2 power supplies. But they really need to step up and their CEO needs to wattch what he says and deliver more.
Here's a quote "On the 3D side, Nvidia says it has doubled the performance of the initial Tegra, resulting in a peak speed of 90 million triangles per second. This level is well beyond the performance of any mobile processor shipping or even sampling today." Hummingbird has the same exact performance. And CPU performance is a very interesting area. Anyway the GPU performance is almost par with the Hummingbird leading maybe by 3-5%

apatcas said:
I'm trying to find the article again, but i know they were close but Tegra 2 did not outperform the hummingbird. Apparently now they optimized the platform more.
Don't get me wrong i love nvidia, that's all i've purchased and stayed with them even thou they still dont have a decent dx11 card that doesnt need 2 power supplies. But they really need to step up and their CEO needs to wattch what he says and deliver more.
Here's a quote "On the 3D side, Nvidia says it has doubled the performance of the initial Tegra, resulting in a peak speed of 90 million triangles per second. This level is well beyond the performance of any mobile processor shipping or even sampling today." Hummingbird has the same exact performance. And CPU performance is a very interesting area. Anyway the GPU performance is almost par with the Hummingbird leading maybe by 3-5%
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Since Tegra 2 is dual core and android does not have 2 core support till Gingerbread (Actually I don't think it even supports cortex A9 till gingerbread)..so if they ran 1 core vs 1 core I'd see a hummingbird win against a Tegra 2..but if Tegra 2 is running dual core (and optimized for it) it should win...but by that analogy Orion would then be superior.

gTen said:
Since Tegra 2 is dual core and android does not have 2 core support till Gingerbread (Actually I don't think it even supports cortex A9 till gingerbread)..so if they ran 1 core vs 1 core I'd see a hummingbird win against a Tegra 2..but if Tegra 2 is running dual core (and optimized for it) it should win...but by that analogy Orion would then be superior.
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Not to mention that Tegra 2 does 1080P video recording. So yes, releasing a google flagship phone that within one month is eclipsed by LG with the first Tegra 2 phone, would be embarrassing. The Nexus 1 set the standard for almost a year, before the Galaxy S line came out. If the Nexus 2 can only set the standard for under a month, that would be stupid. Therefore, it is easy to conclude that the rumors of the Nexus S having a dual core are most likely true. Doesn't mean it has to be the Orion, but it would be awesome if it was.

Tegra 2 is a Cortex A9 CPU... as is the Samsung Orion and the TI OMAP4xxx chips. They accomplish 2.5 instructions per MHz as opposed to the 2 instructions per MHz in the Cortex A8 Hummingbird, and that's not counting improvements to instruction efficiency (getting more done with less instructions.) Add to that improvements such as out of order instruction handling and dual-channel memory support and Cortex A9 chips are head and shoulders above Cortex A8.
The only reason Tegra 2 wouldn't outperform Hummingbird significantly is, as mentioned, lack of dual-core support in current builds of Android, and the nVidia GPU which is, surprisingly, only just about on par with Hummingbird's PowerVR SGX540.
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Electrofreak said:
Tegra 2 is a Cortex A9 CPU... as is the Samsung Orion and the TI OMAP4xxx chips. They accomplish 2.5 instructions per MHz as opposed to the 2 instructions per MHz in the Cortex A8 Hummingbird, and that's not counting improvements to instruction efficiency (getting more done with less instructions.) Add to that improvements such as out of order instruction handling and dual-channel memory support and Cortex A9 chips are head and shoulders above Cortex A8.
The only reason Tegra 2 wouldn't outperform Hummingbird significantly is, as mentioned, lack of dual-core support in current builds of Android, and the nVidia GPU which is, surprisingly, only just about on par with Hummingbird's PowerVR SGX540.
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OK here's facts dudes. Tegra sucks... really please get it.
Tegra250 based Toshiba AC100 Running Neocore Benchmark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJav9ns6b4o

apatcas said:
OK here's facts dudes. Tegra sucks... really please get it.
Tegra250 based Toshiba AC100 Running Neocore Benchmark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJav9ns6b4o
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I'm not sure that triangles per second is accurate to describe performance.
Still, if you want an article:
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
The Hummingbird has memory bandwidth limitations that I don't think the Tegra 250 will. Lets wait and see.

apatcas said:
OK here's facts dudes. Tegra sucks... really please get it.
Tegra250 based Toshiba AC100 Running Neocore Benchmark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJav9ns6b4o
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Here's the facts dude, and try to get this; Tegra2 does not, in fact, suck. You just posted a video of it being benchmarked on a netbook running Android 2.1 which cannot make full use of Tegra2's dual-core CPU. Secondly, neocore is a GPU test, not a CPU test. We already discussed the fact that the Tegra2 GPU is only just about on par with the SGX540. Thirdly, that test is being run at a signifcantly higher resolution than a mobile device would run, and frankly, considering this, the score isn't bad.
Fail, man, fail.
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sauron0101 said:
I'm not sure that triangles per second is accurate to describe performance.
Still, if you want an article:
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
The Hummingbird has memory bandwidth limitations that I don't think the Tegra 250 will. Lets wait and see.
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I would also like to point out that I wrote the article that sauron0101 just linked. It's also posted on my blog (linked in my signature) posted back in March. Tegra2 does feature dual-channel memory support as part of the Cortex A9 architecture, which is a significant advantage.
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Electrofreak said:
I would also like to point out that I wrote the article that sauron0101 just linked. It's also posted on my blog (linked in my signature) posted back in March. Tegra2 does feature dual-channel memory support as part of the Cortex A9 architecture, which is a significant advantage.
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Any idea how fast the other Arm Cortex A9s are compared to the 250?
- We know that the SGX540 will be in the TI OMAP 4 series; probably not bandwidth limited - I am surprised that they did not opt for the SGX545
- The Samsung Orion series has Mail 400 (unknown performance)
- The Snapdragon (A8 unless Qualcomm opts to keep the name "Snapdragon for its A9 CPUs) will have a new generation of Adreno 300 graphics
Unknown if we will see this on mobile
- Marvell also has a new SOC
Also interesting is Samsung's Netbook roadmap, which uses the same SOCs on a phone:
Sorry if all of this is a bit off topic, but it is worth looking at what everyone has.
Edit: Qualcomm is keeping the Snapdragon name for the A9 processors.

Does no one see i was talking about Gpu perfomance? That's what's gonna matter in Gingerbread. And that's running 1024x600 on that res Galaxy tab is around 53 fps. It's the same thing that Vista started doing with HW accel so u understand.

Why Nexus S is Google's new baby.

Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, or they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 200 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has the same chip
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.

Rawat said:
Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, and they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 205 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has it too
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.
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This is a great analysis Rawat
I'll be really interested to see how quick my Nexus-1 gets gingerbread. If it takes weeks after the 16th or after the new year then I would have to agree

ap3604 said:
This is a great analysis Rawat
I'll be really interested to see how quick my Nexus-1 gets gingerbread. If it takes weeks after the 16th or after the new year then I would have to agree
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I think the trend will be that the newer versions of android will be developed on Nexus S, and as such they'll be the first to receive it, and the N1 will get the updates a around a month or so later, as long as the device meets the minimum spec.
Google said they do their OS development on one device. Think it was andy rubin when he was showing parts of the mototab, and it was maybe in one of the Nexus S / gingerbread phone videos.

The nexus one actually has an adreno 200 the 205's are much more improved as seen in the g2,desire hd,and my touch 4g. Also the new snapdragons are believed to be on par if not better than hummingbird cpu's
Some comparison androidevolutions . com /2010/10/13/gpu-showdown-adreno-205-msm7230-in-htc-g2-vs-powervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/

Indeed you're correct. 1st gen chips had adreno 200, 2nd gen had 205s.

I don't think the gpu and CPU are the reason more so the screen along with samsungs ability to prodce said screens.

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The nexus one actually has an adreno 200 the 205's are much more improved as seen in the g2,desire hd,and my touch 4g. Also the new snapdragons are believed to be on par if not better than hummingbird cpu's
Some comparison androidevolutions . com /2010/10/13/gpu-showdown-adreno-205-msm7230-in-htc-g2-vs-powervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/
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The CPU's may be on parr. However. CPU isn't what needs improved on the Snapdragons.
This is correct. SGX540 does perform about 2x as fast as SGX530 (found in Droid X, Droid 2, iPhone 3GS and a variation of it in iPhone 4). Unfortunately, Samsung's Galaxy S has been using the same GPU for many months now. So TI is playing a catch up on Samsung's SoC. To be fair, other manufacturers aren't exactly doing any better. Qualcomm's second generation GPU - Adreno 205 also performs significantly worse than SGX540 and (soon to be released) Tegra 2's GPU is also expected to be outperformed by SGX540. With Samsung claiming Orion improving GPU performance by another 3-4x over SGX540 must sound scary to other manufacturers!
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SGX540 = Hummingbird's GPU.
GPU means a ton when it comes to what you're actually going to see in action on the screen.

In the link I posted that doesn't seem so, the gpu actually faired well against the humming bird in the epic

adox said:
I don't think the gpu and CPU are the reason more so the screen along with samsungs ability to prodce said screens.
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Google said they added more features for better game programming. That's one of the major improvements in 2.3, so why would they pick screen over gpu? Galaxy S phones are considered one of the best device for Android gaming so it makes a lot of sense to have Samsung make a phone. The screen is an icing on the cake. I bet Samsung is going to use samoled screens a lot more on big phones they manufacture.

so true cant wait!

adox said:
In the link I posted that doesn't seem so, the gpu actually faired well against the humming bird in the epic
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On one benchmark. I wouldn't read into those results too much

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4059/nexus-s-and-android-23-review-gingerbread-for-the-holidays
anadtech review

Rawat said:
Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, or they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 200 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has the same chip
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.
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Goddammint!!! I can't wait til Thursday!!!

zachthemaster said:
Goddammint!!! I can't wait til Thursday!!!
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Rofl I can't wait till there are tons of threads started such as "Goddammit I LOVE this phone!!!"

ap3604 said:
Rofl I can't wait till there are tons of threads started such as "Goddammit I LOVE this phone!!!"
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Haha goddammit i can't wait to post in those threads.. I'm so excited... New phone, new network... PUMPED

hmm.. sounds awsome..
but hey, someone knows if we can open the battery cover to replace the battery? im too used to carry two batteries.. i need it cause long weekends with heavy usage of the phone.. >.<
i didnt find anything about this :3

D4rkSoRRoW said:
hmm.. sounds awsome..
but hey, someone knows if we can open the battery cover to replace the battery? im too used to carry two batteries.. i need it cause long weekends with heavy usage of the phone.. >.<
i didnt find anything about this :3
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yah... duh haha

Sure you can
Here's a view of the phone with the cover off:
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I got to play with the Atrix yesterday...

So i'll start with the good, the screen is really nice.
The bad:
Not 4.3 even though it's higher res, it's nice to have larger size text.
I launched google maps and I wanted to see how the 2 finger rotating worked on both. It actually worked better on the EVO. You would think with a powerful cpu the atrix would be able to rotate with no lag...
Anyway, we're not missing much (It probably is better at 3D games which i don't normally do on my phone)
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I must add though that the build quality seemed excellent and it's nice size phone with perfect weight. It's a nice product don't get me wrong.

lowspeed said:
So i'll start with the good, the screen is really nice.
The bad:
Not 4.3 even though it's higher res, it's nice to have larger size text.
I launched google maps and I wanted to see how the 2 finger rotating worked on both. It actually worked better on the EVO. You would think with a powerful cpu the atrix would be able to rotate with no lag...
Anyway, we're not missing much (It probably is better at 3D games which i don't normally do on my phone)
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I hope you have your anti-flame forcefield on, because you are about to get thrashed with flames from every angle. The usual suspects are gonna give you the business and tell you how your opinion is not even close to being correct.......even though its your opinion. lol

Who flames in the EVO section. He just said my EVO is better. Thanks I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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Who flames in the EVO section. He just said my EVO is better. Thanks I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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Just wait and see....

lowspeed said:
So i'll start with the good, the screen is really nice.
The bad:
Not 4.3 even though it's higher res, it's nice to have larger size text.
I launched google maps and I wanted to see how the 2 finger rotating worked on both. It actually worked better on the EVO. You would think with a powerful cpu the atrix would be able to rotate with no lag...
Anyway, we're not missing much (It probably is better at 3D games which i don't normally do on my phone)
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You're in denial. It's a defense mechanism, so don't worry.
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The OP is spot on.
65nm single core a8 1ghz snap dragon with no name gpu > 40nm dual core a9 1ghz tegra with nvidia gpu
1500 mah battery > 1930 mah battery
512mb of ram > 1gb of ram
480x800 resolution > 960x540 resolution
1 gb of internal storage > 16 gb of internal storage
the atrix is not even close.

detusueno said:
The OP is spot on.
65nm single core a8 1ghz snap dragon with no name gpu > 40nm dual core a9 1ghz tegra with nvidia gpu
1500 mah battery > 1930 mah battery
512mb of ram > 1gb of ram
480x800 resolution > 960x540 resolution
1 gb of internal storage > 16 gb of internal storage
the atrix is not even close.
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LOL.......

All I know about motorola is that their buld quality seems really solid. I don't care for Blur, but root solves that. The phone seems like a winner.
My buddy had an original Droid, was playing Pandora one day while we were about 25 feet in the air on a boom lift... dropped that sucker and all it did was pop the battery door off and scratch it a little... still worked like a charm.
Sadly, if I dropped my EVO from that Height.. it's smartphone heaven. I do still love my EVO tho

detusueno said:
The OP is spot on.
65nm single core a8 1ghz snap dragon with no name gpu > 40nm dual core a9 1ghz tegra with nvidia gpu
1500 mah battery > 1930 mah battery
512mb of ram > 1gb of ram
480x800 resolution > 960x540 resolution
1 gb of internal storage > 16 gb of internal storage
the atrix is not even close.
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The actual core of the cpu is an a8 cortex. I believe Google maps doesn't use much of the gpu, and Android and Android apps might not be able to make much use of multiple cores or threads.

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The actual core of the cpu is an a8 cortex. I believe Google maps doesn't use much of the gpu, and Android and Android apps might not be able to make much use of multiple cores or threads.
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the tegra 2 uses cortex a9 cores. but your probably right that android currently isn't optimized for the tegra2/dual core.

Atrix suffers from one severe limitation, which for many will be a complete deal breaker - ATT + their awesome atrix premium charges for using the atrix functionality.

bet if the atrix said evo and sprint on it you would think the world of it and go into the land of iphony and preach its gospel to the unenlightened

nabbed said:
Atrix suffers from one severe limitation, which for many will be a complete deal breaker - ATT + their awesome atrix premium charges for using the atrix functionality.
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Also its encrypted bootloader is definately a turn off. Wont be much development with it and it will go in the way of the milestone, droid X and other moto locked crapola.

nabbed said:
Atrix suffers from one severe limitation, which for many will be a complete deal breaker - ATT + their awesome atrix premium charges for using the atrix functionality.
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Is that like the $10 premium data plan we pay for?

spiicytuna said:
Is that like the $10 premium data plan we pay for?
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...and we get 500 kb/s 3g in return. thanks sprint!

detusueno said:
...and we get 500 kb/s 3g in return. thanks sprint!
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I have noticed that 3g is incredibly slow, something changed. It used to be very fast.

lowspeed said:
I have noticed that 3g is incredibly slow, something changed. It used to be very fast.
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yup, two years ago i used to brag about how fast sprint 3g was. gizmodo even rated them as having the fastest 3g of all carriers. then hspa+ came and t-mo/at&t passed us which was bad enough, but then sprint's 3g just took a complete nose dive over the last couple of months. what the hell is up with that? sprint's 3g is no where near as competitive with anyone anymore.

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bet if the atrix said evo and sprint on it you would think the world of it and go into the land of iphony and preach its gospel to the unenlightened
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Preach on brother! Can I get an amen?
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HondaCop said:
Preach on brother! Can I get an amen?
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Not with a locked bootloader because all of the good Dev's on here would not be supporting it, so it really wouldn't be worth it. No CM7 Love or probably fresh or anyone else.

Adreno 225 vs "New" Mali 400MP4

So I have been doing a lot of research looking for what will be better and I am guessing that the Mali 400 is going to out perform the Adreno 225. I wish android had a solid GPU test that would give something close to real world results. But if you take a look at these articles you will see on paper the Adreno is the same as the Apple 4S's Power VR543MP2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...mance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks/3
Now the International version will have the new Exynos 4 Quad (4412) Quad Core Cortex A9 but the US version is rumored to have a Dual Core Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8960 with the Adreno 225.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
and here are some other benchmarks just to sum up the difference in performance.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
The main thing I am worried about is GPU performance the CPUs in just about every phone out right not seem over kill. I want to make sure the phone I buy will be able to run FPSE(Playstation Emulator) and N64oid(N64 Emulator) smooth. FPSE now has an Open GL plugin that needs a hard core GPU to run well. My Galaxy nexus is just not cutting it anymore.

So............... get the international version.

cmd512 said:
So............... get the international version.
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LTE Speed vs 3G Speed = not worth it.
Don't get me wrong I want a phone with a power house GPU but if the mobile connection is slow its just not worth it. I'm on Verizon and I don't want to move away from their LTE.

Zzim said:
LTE Speed vs 3G Speed = not worth it.
Don't get me wrong I want a phone with a power house GPU but if the mobile connection is slow its just not worth it. I'm on Verizon and I don't want to move away from their LTE.
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I hear ya, LTE is blazing fast. But on my unbranded SGS2, I get downloads of up to 7.5Mbps, pay $10 a month for unlimited HSPA+ data w/ tethering, and everything is plenty fast for what I do on my phone. So, while LTE is tempting for sure, still doesn't outweigh the other benefits.
Now, if I ever need my phone to seed torrents or something, I'll have to look at LTE then... hah.

cmd512 said:
I hear ya, LTE is blazing fast. But on my unbranded SGS2, I get downloads of up to 7.5Mbps, pay $10 a month for unlimited HSPA+ data w/ tethering, and everything is plenty fast for what I do on my phone. So, while LTE is tempting for sure, still doesn't outweigh the other benefits.
Now, if I ever need my phone to seed torrents or something, I'll have to look at LTE then... hah.
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Are you with ATT because I can get a line through my work for 20 a month unlimited everything. 7.5 would be enough speed to make me switch and how consistent are these speeds?

How could the just give the us version a dual core? That makes the phone a very slight upgrade to the s2
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@ Op
did you see the date of the article regarding "Mobile SoC GPU Comparison" ? its dated february and they are comparing with the sgs2 mali 400 gpu not the one in sgs3. the new mali gpu is already beating all the current lineup of many gpus in many becnhmarks

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@ Op
did you see the date of the article regarding "Mobile SoC GPU Comparison" ? its dated february and they are comparing with the sgs2 mali 400 gpu not the one in sgs3. the new mali gpu is already beating all the current lineup of many gpus in many becnhmarks
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The other articles were just to show the performance of the 225 this article shows how the new Mali will run http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
That article also show that the GS2(Mali400) and the GS3(Mali400MP4) are different in some way.

Zzim said:
Are you with ATT because I can get a line through my work for 20 a month unlimited everything. 7.5 would be enough speed to make me switch and how consistent are these speeds?
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At work (average congestion), it's consistently 7Mbps+. In areas of great congestion (the mall, etc), it does slow down, but again, for work E-mails, surfing the web, youtube, etc, I've never had issues. Of course, I'm in Austin, TX as well, and I've heard HSPA+ speeds are very much region specific.
If you can get a line through from work with unlimited everything, they may be able to get you onto the smartphone data plan tier, which some folks have gotten up to 10-11+Mpbs. I'm on the $10 a month unlimited non-smartphone plan, so I think AT&T caps it at around 7.5-8Mpbs. Still though, plenty fast for what I do with my phone.
(And, the unlimited tethering is a blessing when you're in airports and stuff. Our US airports blow as there is almost never free WIFI.)

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The other articles were just to show the performance of the 225 this article shows how the new Mali will run http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
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the scorecharts does shows the new mali400 topping the chart with good margin. what else do you need from a gpu ?

The SGS3's Mali-400 is just overclocked.
Anyways, if the US SGS3 comes with the S4 Pro (which has the new Adreno 320) then the difference in GPU will probably be minor.

dude have you seen those scores ? it beats the 4s graphics which we cant deny has a great gpu...
this is more than just an overclocked mali400 ... it may still be a mali400/mp4 but its not just overclocked its remade and has much higher clocks by the look of it
also im not sure about it coming with the s4 pro with adreno 320... i heard its not ready till end of year at earliest.. the mali-400 was the best android gpu and now its the best mobile gpu out atm

^^
u are right its not only just overclocked,there are some changes in the hardware part which we will know eventually in the upcoming days. i can easily OC my sgs2 mali400 to 400mhz, but you people know it wont give the same result as sgs3 which has much more pixels than s2

urmothersluvr said:
How could the just give the us version a dual core? That makes the phone a very slight upgrade to the s2
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More cores doesn't = faster...
Look at AMD's bulldozer CPU with 8 cores vs Intel's core i5 with 4 cores...the i5 is faster in basically almost everything except for very specalized applications.
Faster cores > more cores.
The LTE dual core version of the SGS3 will use Krait S4 cores which are faster than A9 Exynos cores.
I wished Samsung did dual core A15s instead of Quad Core A9s.

Daemos said:
More cores doesn't = faster...
Look at AMD's bulldozer CPU with 8 cores vs Intel's core i5 with 4 cores...the i5 is faster in basically almost everything except for very specalized applications.
Faster cores > more cores.
The LTE dual core version of the SGS3 will use Krait S4 cores which are faster than A9 Exynos cores.
I wished Samsung did dual core A15s instead of Quad Core A9s.
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Let's be clear on this
CPU vs CPU
Dual core S4 is not quicker than Quad Core Exynos

ph00ny said:
Let's be clear on this
CPU vs CPU
Dual core S4 is not quicker than Quad Core Exynos
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Hmmm I don't know about that...

Zzim said:
Hmmm I don't know about that...
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I for one certainly do. The Exynos 4412 uses a 32nm fab process as opposed to nearly every other A9 architecture based processor (like the 4+1 T3) and High K metal gate tech which basically means twice the processing power of the Exynos 4410 dual core with about 20% less power consumption and that's on a core against core basis. The 4410 was used in the Galaxy S II. So even if the Exynos 4412 was dual core, it's already natively 20% more battery efficient and twice as powerful than last year's model. Clearly we're talking about a lot more than just quad vs dual and 28nm vs 32 or 40. There is a LOT that has gone into the design of the Exynos. For instance keeping it the same size physically as the dual core model, or accepting 128 bit instructions rather than the paltry 64 bit instructions most other mobile processors are limited to.
Trust me, do your research, a Google search of Exynos 4412 brought up instant results that detail what a beast this chip set is.
Like these:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...re-processor-in-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S3_id29615
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...nos-to-appear-in-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id29494
And of course the official press release. Read through this and then the benchmarks you pointed out in the OP (I'm linking em anyway) Anandtech's benchmark tests were performed on demo units on display to handled and groped by hundreds of people. There's no telling how many people had used it before they bench marked it and no telling if they were able to do it clean (reboot device, no other apps running). If not than they tested it after some fairly heavy use and it still proved itself a beast.
http://phandroid.com/2012/04/25/sam...ynos-4-quad-for-their-next-generation-galaxy/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Research is your best friend. If you're looking for the most powerful CPU and GPU on a phone right now, this is it. And when the devs get a hold of it, it will become even better and will really be utilized to its full.
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Gene_Bailey said:
I for one certainly do. The Exynos 4412 uses a 32nm fab process as opposed to nearly every other A9 architecture based processor (like the 4+1 T3) and High K metal gate tech which basically means twice the processing power of the Exynos 4410 dual core with about 20% less power consumption and that's on a core against core basis. The 4410 was used in the Galaxy S II. So even if the Exynos was dual core, it's already natively 20% more battery efficient and twice as powerful. Clearly we're talking about a lot more than just quad vs dual and 28nm vs 32 or 40. There is a LOT that has gone into the design of the Exynos. For instance keeping it the same size physically as the dual core model, or accepting 128 bit instructions rather than the paltry 64 bit instructions most other mobile processors are limited to.
Trust me, do your research, a Google search of Exynos 4412 brought up instant results that detail what a beast this chip set is.
Like these:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...re-processor-in-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S3_id29615
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...nos-to-appear-in-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id29494
And of course the official press release. Read through this and then the benchmarks you pointed out in the OP (I'm linking em anyway) Anandtech's benchmark tests were performed on demo units on display to handled and groped by hundreds of people. There's no telling how many people had used it before they bench marked it and no telling if they were able to do it clean (reboot device, no other apps running). If not than they tested it after some fairly heavy use and it still proved itself a beast.
http://phandroid.com/2012/04/25/sam...ynos-4-quad-for-their-next-generation-galaxy/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Research is your best friend. If you're looking for the most powerful CPU and GPU on a phone right now, this is it. And when the devs get a hold of it, it will become even better and will really be utilized to its full.
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Hmmm I don't know about that...
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Outside of floating point tests such as linpack, CPU benches will even have quad core tegra3 well ahead of the dual core S4
Quadrant, Antutu, etc will all show the same exact same performance gap and it's a big one
Let's get this straight
Main selling points for Dual Core S4 setup = battery life from 28nm die size and integrated LTE

Spartoi said:
The SGS3's Mali-400 is just overclocked.
Anyways, if the US SGS3 comes with the S4 Pro (which has the new Adreno 320) then the difference in GPU will probably be minor.
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you are wrong,mali 400mp4 is a quad core gpu while mali 400 is a dual core gpu.
I want to see mali 400mp4 against sgs543mp4

BB AMOLED and Exynos :(

Sad news...
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
We also know more about the build and dimensions of the device. According to our insider the dimensions of the device are 140.1 x 71.8 x 7.7mm and the weight is 138 gram, the new Galaxy S IV will use a home button and will have touch buttons. If you look at the photo below you will see that it will be square formed again, so they dropped the Galaxy SIII design line. He also said the sides are made from aluminium but the back is still plastic which automatic hints to a removable battery which is good to know.
Yesterday we already found out that the Galaxy S IV will have a 13 megapixel camera. Some leaked photos created by the Galaxy S IV showed up to confirm that.
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http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/

Sad news? This is great news if it's true!

AW: BB AMOLED and Exynos
No Exynos isn't that bad.
No AMOLED would be disappointing.
SD card, removable battery and a menu key makes it still top on my list.
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So no octa - core discussed earlier? shame

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So no octa - core discussed earlier? shame
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Why do you even need 6 cores. Currently no app is using 4 cores anyway. It is a waste of time and money to have 6 core processor on a phone..

harise100 said:
No Exynos isn't that bad.
No AMOLED would be disappointing.
SD card, removable battery and a menu key makes it still top on my list.
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No octa - disappointing because no power saving
But if it was supposed to be Eynos Quad A15 - dont care, Snapdragon is good too
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Why do you even need 6 cores. Currently no app is using 4 cores anyway. It is a waste of time and money to have 6 core processor on a phone..
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Exynos octa is 4xA15 + ultra power saving 4xA7

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Why do you even need 6 cores. Currently no app is using 4 cores anyway. It is a waste of time and money to have 6 core processor on a phone..
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Exynos 5 Octa uses I think it was 4 low power cores and 4 high speed cores, so it's not a battery drain for low end tasks. (Octa = 8)
I will wait for official word on this, I can't see Samsung announcing the Octa this year, then not using it, it gives competitors a chance to trump it.
If they do use the snapdragon 600 it will be good because whist yes the Exynos is a good processor Samsung will not release decent documentation for it, so developers have a hard time getting AOSP roms working efficiantly, the Snapdragon range is completely open source so roms will work a lot better, and be easier to port. Exynos has already made developers leave Samsung devices.

delsus said:
Exynos 5 Octa uses I think it was 4 low power cores and 4 high speed cores, so it's not a battery drain for low end tasks. (Octa = 8)
I will wait for official word on this, I can't see Samsung announcing the Octa this year, then not using it, it gives competitors a chance to trump it.
If they do use the snapdragon 600 it will be good because whist yes the Exynos is a good processor Samsung will not release decent documentation for it, so developers have a hard time getting AOSP roms working efficiantly, the Snapdragon range is completely open source so roms will work a lot better, and be easier to port. Exynos has already made developers leave Samsung devices.
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Or may be, just like S3, the Snapdragon will be for LTE and Exynos for non-LTE S4s?

#fake #fail

samydroid said:
Or may be, just like S3, the Snapdragon will be for LTE and Exynos for non-LTE S4s?
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Possibly but less likely with them using Exynos in the i9305 showing they can make it work (im not too sure the exact reason for not using Exynos in the US variants)
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Sv: BB AMOLED and Exynos
Makes me wanna sell my S3...
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WOW GS4 with Amoled plus @1080p with Exynos Octa and 3GB of ram with 128GB memory
LMAO

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Or may be, just like S3, the Snapdragon will be for LTE and Exynos for non-LTE S4s?
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doubt that, since they got LTE and exynos working together finally. but the snapdragon seems like a give and take situation. that octa looks like it'll be an amazing processor, but if it's a snapdragon then we can finally get AOSP working fine.
as for the LCD, that's gonna be a personal preference for everyone. I wouldn't mind either, but I'd miss the blacks on the LED. the color punch is really nothing, I set my display to natural.
but really, do we even need the octa now? these phones we have now are over powered. I run my note ii at 1ghz with 1 core enabled and notice no differences in day to day use (except video chatting, that requires at least two cores lol) . point is, these quad cores (by today's standards) are just too much, and kinda gimmicky. I don't think we'll need to see the octa for a good year or two.
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HandsomeAssDomo said:
doubt that, since they got LTE and exynos working together finally. but the snapdragon seems like a give and take situation. that octa looks like it'll be an amazing processor, but if it's a snapdragon then we can finally get AOSP working fine.
as for the LCD, that's gonna be a personal preference for everyone. I wouldn't mind either, but I'd miss the blacks on the LED. the color punch is really nothing, I set my display to natural.
but really, do we even need the octa now? these phones we have now are over powered. I run my note ii at 1ghz with 1 core enabled and notice no differences in day to day use (except video chatting, that requires at least two cores lol) . point is, these quad cores (by today's standards) are just too much, and kinda gimmicky. I don't think we'll need to see the octa for a good year or two.
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Samsung have announced the Octa now, it won't be long before other chip manufacturers try to beat it, then Samsung's great idea will be old tech before it comes out. They have no choice but to put it in something if they want to make any use of it.

Btw we will get more details from Samsung on mwc starting tomorrow. Ill believe this only if it comes from Samsung. Whatever the processor or screen it has already been decided and s4 shoukd be in mass production right now.
《posted from s3》

I think that's nt true. Because making a SS on PS and open up that image on a phone and taking a photo in bad light conditions isn't too hard.
Actually, I think that phone is Xperia Z or LG Optimus and photo taken with a S3...
Next Galaxy S device(international version) will have Exynos Octa(5440 or 5410) or Dual(5250) with 5" FULL HD Super AMOLED Display. Why Samsung use another solution? I don't know any logical reason. Warming? Power consumption? Software based reasons? I don't think so. This is my two cents.
On the other hand, I think(I know, I used a lot -I Think-s)next Galaxy S device will have Exynos Octa, 2GB of ram, Mali T604 or T658 GPU, better camera lens(S3's sensor is good but lens is a bit deficient.), 2600mAh battery and also more durable chasis and screen. On software, Samsung will do wonders...
Edit: If I had gramatical mistakes, I want to say I'm sorry for that. Because Eng. is my 3rd language.

You obviously seem to have very little knowledge concerning technical product design. If it' physically impossible at the moment to manage the heating problems in this case, then in fact THIS IS a reason to kick the Octa processor for a Snapdragon...
|| Typed with my S3 or my Note 10.1 ||

I for one welcome Qualcomm in the international Samsung phones. Makes for a great if not superb aosp experience, doesn't it? Or am I being too naive?

ch0ka said:
You obviously seem to have very little knowledge concerning technical product design. If it' physically impossible at the moment to manage the heating problems in this case, then in fact THIS IS a reason to kick the Octa processor for a Snapdragon...
|| Typed with my S3 or my Note 10.1 ||
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sorry u r Wrong , because snapdragon s4 pro overheat and throttle like hell and probably S600 will overheat even more

Theshawty said:
I for one welcome Qualcomm in the international Samsung phones. Makes for a great if not superb aosp experience, doesn't it? Or am I being too naive?
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well lets hope, but its Ssung, u never know what they come up with.