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Why Nexus S is Google's new baby.

Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, or they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 200 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has the same chip
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.

Rawat said:
Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, and they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 205 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has it too
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.
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This is a great analysis Rawat
I'll be really interested to see how quick my Nexus-1 gets gingerbread. If it takes weeks after the 16th or after the new year then I would have to agree

ap3604 said:
This is a great analysis Rawat
I'll be really interested to see how quick my Nexus-1 gets gingerbread. If it takes weeks after the 16th or after the new year then I would have to agree
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I think the trend will be that the newer versions of android will be developed on Nexus S, and as such they'll be the first to receive it, and the N1 will get the updates a around a month or so later, as long as the device meets the minimum spec.
Google said they do their OS development on one device. Think it was andy rubin when he was showing parts of the mototab, and it was maybe in one of the Nexus S / gingerbread phone videos.

The nexus one actually has an adreno 200 the 205's are much more improved as seen in the g2,desire hd,and my touch 4g. Also the new snapdragons are believed to be on par if not better than hummingbird cpu's
Some comparison androidevolutions . com /2010/10/13/gpu-showdown-adreno-205-msm7230-in-htc-g2-vs-powervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/

Indeed you're correct. 1st gen chips had adreno 200, 2nd gen had 205s.

I don't think the gpu and CPU are the reason more so the screen along with samsungs ability to prodce said screens.

adox said:
The nexus one actually has an adreno 200 the 205's are much more improved as seen in the g2,desire hd,and my touch 4g. Also the new snapdragons are believed to be on par if not better than hummingbird cpu's
Some comparison androidevolutions . com /2010/10/13/gpu-showdown-adreno-205-msm7230-in-htc-g2-vs-powervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/
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The CPU's may be on parr. However. CPU isn't what needs improved on the Snapdragons.
This is correct. SGX540 does perform about 2x as fast as SGX530 (found in Droid X, Droid 2, iPhone 3GS and a variation of it in iPhone 4). Unfortunately, Samsung's Galaxy S has been using the same GPU for many months now. So TI is playing a catch up on Samsung's SoC. To be fair, other manufacturers aren't exactly doing any better. Qualcomm's second generation GPU - Adreno 205 also performs significantly worse than SGX540 and (soon to be released) Tegra 2's GPU is also expected to be outperformed by SGX540. With Samsung claiming Orion improving GPU performance by another 3-4x over SGX540 must sound scary to other manufacturers!
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SGX540 = Hummingbird's GPU.
GPU means a ton when it comes to what you're actually going to see in action on the screen.

In the link I posted that doesn't seem so, the gpu actually faired well against the humming bird in the epic

adox said:
I don't think the gpu and CPU are the reason more so the screen along with samsungs ability to prodce said screens.
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Google said they added more features for better game programming. That's one of the major improvements in 2.3, so why would they pick screen over gpu? Galaxy S phones are considered one of the best device for Android gaming so it makes a lot of sense to have Samsung make a phone. The screen is an icing on the cake. I bet Samsung is going to use samoled screens a lot more on big phones they manufacture.

so true cant wait!

adox said:
In the link I posted that doesn't seem so, the gpu actually faired well against the humming bird in the epic
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On one benchmark. I wouldn't read into those results too much

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4059/nexus-s-and-android-23-review-gingerbread-for-the-holidays
anadtech review

Rawat said:
Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, or they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 200 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has the same chip
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.
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Goddammint!!! I can't wait til Thursday!!!

zachthemaster said:
Goddammint!!! I can't wait til Thursday!!!
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Rofl I can't wait till there are tons of threads started such as "Goddammit I LOVE this phone!!!"

ap3604 said:
Rofl I can't wait till there are tons of threads started such as "Goddammit I LOVE this phone!!!"
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Haha goddammit i can't wait to post in those threads.. I'm so excited... New phone, new network... PUMPED

hmm.. sounds awsome..
but hey, someone knows if we can open the battery cover to replace the battery? im too used to carry two batteries.. i need it cause long weekends with heavy usage of the phone.. >.<
i didnt find anything about this :3

D4rkSoRRoW said:
hmm.. sounds awsome..
but hey, someone knows if we can open the battery cover to replace the battery? im too used to carry two batteries.. i need it cause long weekends with heavy usage of the phone.. >.<
i didnt find anything about this :3
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yah... duh haha

Sure you can
Here's a view of the phone with the cover off:
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Adreno 225 vs "New" Mali 400MP4

So I have been doing a lot of research looking for what will be better and I am guessing that the Mali 400 is going to out perform the Adreno 225. I wish android had a solid GPU test that would give something close to real world results. But if you take a look at these articles you will see on paper the Adreno is the same as the Apple 4S's Power VR543MP2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...mance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks/3
Now the International version will have the new Exynos 4 Quad (4412) Quad Core Cortex A9 but the US version is rumored to have a Dual Core Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8960 with the Adreno 225.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
and here are some other benchmarks just to sum up the difference in performance.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
The main thing I am worried about is GPU performance the CPUs in just about every phone out right not seem over kill. I want to make sure the phone I buy will be able to run FPSE(Playstation Emulator) and N64oid(N64 Emulator) smooth. FPSE now has an Open GL plugin that needs a hard core GPU to run well. My Galaxy nexus is just not cutting it anymore.

So............... get the international version.

cmd512 said:
So............... get the international version.
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LTE Speed vs 3G Speed = not worth it.
Don't get me wrong I want a phone with a power house GPU but if the mobile connection is slow its just not worth it. I'm on Verizon and I don't want to move away from their LTE.

Zzim said:
LTE Speed vs 3G Speed = not worth it.
Don't get me wrong I want a phone with a power house GPU but if the mobile connection is slow its just not worth it. I'm on Verizon and I don't want to move away from their LTE.
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I hear ya, LTE is blazing fast. But on my unbranded SGS2, I get downloads of up to 7.5Mbps, pay $10 a month for unlimited HSPA+ data w/ tethering, and everything is plenty fast for what I do on my phone. So, while LTE is tempting for sure, still doesn't outweigh the other benefits.
Now, if I ever need my phone to seed torrents or something, I'll have to look at LTE then... hah.

cmd512 said:
I hear ya, LTE is blazing fast. But on my unbranded SGS2, I get downloads of up to 7.5Mbps, pay $10 a month for unlimited HSPA+ data w/ tethering, and everything is plenty fast for what I do on my phone. So, while LTE is tempting for sure, still doesn't outweigh the other benefits.
Now, if I ever need my phone to seed torrents or something, I'll have to look at LTE then... hah.
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Are you with ATT because I can get a line through my work for 20 a month unlimited everything. 7.5 would be enough speed to make me switch and how consistent are these speeds?

How could the just give the us version a dual core? That makes the phone a very slight upgrade to the s2
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@ Op
did you see the date of the article regarding "Mobile SoC GPU Comparison" ? its dated february and they are comparing with the sgs2 mali 400 gpu not the one in sgs3. the new mali gpu is already beating all the current lineup of many gpus in many becnhmarks

bala_gamer said:
@ Op
did you see the date of the article regarding "Mobile SoC GPU Comparison" ? its dated february and they are comparing with the sgs2 mali 400 gpu not the one in sgs3. the new mali gpu is already beating all the current lineup of many gpus in many becnhmarks
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The other articles were just to show the performance of the 225 this article shows how the new Mali will run http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
That article also show that the GS2(Mali400) and the GS3(Mali400MP4) are different in some way.

Zzim said:
Are you with ATT because I can get a line through my work for 20 a month unlimited everything. 7.5 would be enough speed to make me switch and how consistent are these speeds?
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At work (average congestion), it's consistently 7Mbps+. In areas of great congestion (the mall, etc), it does slow down, but again, for work E-mails, surfing the web, youtube, etc, I've never had issues. Of course, I'm in Austin, TX as well, and I've heard HSPA+ speeds are very much region specific.
If you can get a line through from work with unlimited everything, they may be able to get you onto the smartphone data plan tier, which some folks have gotten up to 10-11+Mpbs. I'm on the $10 a month unlimited non-smartphone plan, so I think AT&T caps it at around 7.5-8Mpbs. Still though, plenty fast for what I do with my phone.
(And, the unlimited tethering is a blessing when you're in airports and stuff. Our US airports blow as there is almost never free WIFI.)

Zzim said:
The other articles were just to show the performance of the 225 this article shows how the new Mali will run http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
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the scorecharts does shows the new mali400 topping the chart with good margin. what else do you need from a gpu ?

The SGS3's Mali-400 is just overclocked.
Anyways, if the US SGS3 comes with the S4 Pro (which has the new Adreno 320) then the difference in GPU will probably be minor.

dude have you seen those scores ? it beats the 4s graphics which we cant deny has a great gpu...
this is more than just an overclocked mali400 ... it may still be a mali400/mp4 but its not just overclocked its remade and has much higher clocks by the look of it
also im not sure about it coming with the s4 pro with adreno 320... i heard its not ready till end of year at earliest.. the mali-400 was the best android gpu and now its the best mobile gpu out atm

^^
u are right its not only just overclocked,there are some changes in the hardware part which we will know eventually in the upcoming days. i can easily OC my sgs2 mali400 to 400mhz, but you people know it wont give the same result as sgs3 which has much more pixels than s2

urmothersluvr said:
How could the just give the us version a dual core? That makes the phone a very slight upgrade to the s2
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More cores doesn't = faster...
Look at AMD's bulldozer CPU with 8 cores vs Intel's core i5 with 4 cores...the i5 is faster in basically almost everything except for very specalized applications.
Faster cores > more cores.
The LTE dual core version of the SGS3 will use Krait S4 cores which are faster than A9 Exynos cores.
I wished Samsung did dual core A15s instead of Quad Core A9s.

Daemos said:
More cores doesn't = faster...
Look at AMD's bulldozer CPU with 8 cores vs Intel's core i5 with 4 cores...the i5 is faster in basically almost everything except for very specalized applications.
Faster cores > more cores.
The LTE dual core version of the SGS3 will use Krait S4 cores which are faster than A9 Exynos cores.
I wished Samsung did dual core A15s instead of Quad Core A9s.
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Let's be clear on this
CPU vs CPU
Dual core S4 is not quicker than Quad Core Exynos

ph00ny said:
Let's be clear on this
CPU vs CPU
Dual core S4 is not quicker than Quad Core Exynos
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Hmmm I don't know about that...

Zzim said:
Hmmm I don't know about that...
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I for one certainly do. The Exynos 4412 uses a 32nm fab process as opposed to nearly every other A9 architecture based processor (like the 4+1 T3) and High K metal gate tech which basically means twice the processing power of the Exynos 4410 dual core with about 20% less power consumption and that's on a core against core basis. The 4410 was used in the Galaxy S II. So even if the Exynos 4412 was dual core, it's already natively 20% more battery efficient and twice as powerful than last year's model. Clearly we're talking about a lot more than just quad vs dual and 28nm vs 32 or 40. There is a LOT that has gone into the design of the Exynos. For instance keeping it the same size physically as the dual core model, or accepting 128 bit instructions rather than the paltry 64 bit instructions most other mobile processors are limited to.
Trust me, do your research, a Google search of Exynos 4412 brought up instant results that detail what a beast this chip set is.
Like these:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...re-processor-in-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S3_id29615
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...nos-to-appear-in-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id29494
And of course the official press release. Read through this and then the benchmarks you pointed out in the OP (I'm linking em anyway) Anandtech's benchmark tests were performed on demo units on display to handled and groped by hundreds of people. There's no telling how many people had used it before they bench marked it and no telling if they were able to do it clean (reboot device, no other apps running). If not than they tested it after some fairly heavy use and it still proved itself a beast.
http://phandroid.com/2012/04/25/sam...ynos-4-quad-for-their-next-generation-galaxy/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Research is your best friend. If you're looking for the most powerful CPU and GPU on a phone right now, this is it. And when the devs get a hold of it, it will become even better and will really be utilized to its full.
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Gene_Bailey said:
I for one certainly do. The Exynos 4412 uses a 32nm fab process as opposed to nearly every other A9 architecture based processor (like the 4+1 T3) and High K metal gate tech which basically means twice the processing power of the Exynos 4410 dual core with about 20% less power consumption and that's on a core against core basis. The 4410 was used in the Galaxy S II. So even if the Exynos was dual core, it's already natively 20% more battery efficient and twice as powerful. Clearly we're talking about a lot more than just quad vs dual and 28nm vs 32 or 40. There is a LOT that has gone into the design of the Exynos. For instance keeping it the same size physically as the dual core model, or accepting 128 bit instructions rather than the paltry 64 bit instructions most other mobile processors are limited to.
Trust me, do your research, a Google search of Exynos 4412 brought up instant results that detail what a beast this chip set is.
Like these:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...re-processor-in-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S3_id29615
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...nos-to-appear-in-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id29494
And of course the official press release. Read through this and then the benchmarks you pointed out in the OP (I'm linking em anyway) Anandtech's benchmark tests were performed on demo units on display to handled and groped by hundreds of people. There's no telling how many people had used it before they bench marked it and no telling if they were able to do it clean (reboot device, no other apps running). If not than they tested it after some fairly heavy use and it still proved itself a beast.
http://phandroid.com/2012/04/25/sam...ynos-4-quad-for-their-next-generation-galaxy/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Research is your best friend. If you're looking for the most powerful CPU and GPU on a phone right now, this is it. And when the devs get a hold of it, it will become even better and will really be utilized to its full.
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Zzim said:
Hmmm I don't know about that...
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Outside of floating point tests such as linpack, CPU benches will even have quad core tegra3 well ahead of the dual core S4
Quadrant, Antutu, etc will all show the same exact same performance gap and it's a big one
Let's get this straight
Main selling points for Dual Core S4 setup = battery life from 28nm die size and integrated LTE

Spartoi said:
The SGS3's Mali-400 is just overclocked.
Anyways, if the US SGS3 comes with the S4 Pro (which has the new Adreno 320) then the difference in GPU will probably be minor.
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you are wrong,mali 400mp4 is a quad core gpu while mali 400 is a dual core gpu.
I want to see mali 400mp4 against sgs543mp4

2 GB RAM Galaxy S III variant down the line?

Knowing Samsung's reputation for preducing the best Android smart phones and probably the best smart phones period for the period of their release, and how adamant they are about staying above the competition (Note: HTC One X), do you think we'll see one?
With LG producing the first ever smartphone with 2 GBs of RAM (double the average competitors software), therefore dethrowning them as the defacto best Android phone makers, and with newer hardware being utilized by Samsung's biggest rivals, Apple and their latest iPhone; do you foreseably see a rendition of the Samsung flagship phone before the year is up?

megagodx said:
Knowing Samsung's reputation for preducing the best Android smart phones and probably the best smart phones period for the period of their release, and how adamant they are about staying above the competition (Note: HTC One X), do you think we'll see one?
With LG producing the first ever smartphone with 2 GBs of RAM (double the average competitors software), therefore dethrowning them as the defacto best Android phone makers, and with newer hardware being utilized by Samsung's biggest rivals, Apple and their latest iPhone; do you foreseably see a rendition of the Samsung flagship phone before the year is up?
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There is no doubt about that.If you remember Galaxy Note marketing strategy,Galaxy Note 2 to be expected to be announce very soon will be their new flagship,note 10.1 tablet benchmarks clearly shows better GPU Mali 600(5 times as powerful as the Mali 400 use in galaxy sIII),just imagine 5 times,there is no doubt that Note 2 will be launching with the same hardware.Note 2 is their next flagship(expected to be announced shortly).As for LG they are ready with A15 krait quad core with adreno 320 and is officially the most powerful smartphone out there,enough to put all these A9 quad core to shame(remember what dual core A15 did to quad A9,Tegra).Now it's up to you which flagship you want,as in android unfortunately every week will have a new flagship,specs and size going higher and higher.

Again, Krait is no A15, but QCOM's own design, with pipeline lengths and OoE somewhere in between of A9 and A15 (stock ARM designs). Then again Exynos is not stock A9 design, but optimized by Samsung.
So, we don't know till we taste the pudding.
Also, the timeframe for Note 2 (or whatever it will be called) announcement is somewhere in October and shipping probably in late November or early December.
That's a long ways away

vasra said:
Again, Krait is no A15, but QCOM's own design, with pipeline lengths and OoE somewhere in between of A9 and A15 (stock ARM designs). Then again Exynos is not stock A9 design, but optimized by Samsung.
So, we don't know till we taste the pudding.
Also, the timeframe for Note 2 (or whatever it will be called) announcement is somewhere in October and shipping probably in late November or early December.
That's a long ways away
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How is that a long way,a flagship in July to be replaced by another flagship in October that's like 4months of flagship

megagodx said:
Knowing Samsung's reputation for preducing the best Android smart phones and probably the best smart phones period for the period of their release, and how adamant they are about staying above the competition (Note: HTC One X), do you think we'll see one?
With LG producing the first ever smartphone with 2 GBs of RAM (double the average competitors software), therefore dethrowning them as the defacto best Android phone makers, and with newer hardware being utilized by Samsung's biggest rivals, Apple and their latest iPhone; do you foreseably see a rendition of the Samsung flagship phone before the year is up?
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competition is bigger , market will be changing every now and then. A 2 gb of ram dosent dethrow anything, eventhough 2gb sounds nice practically its of no use. Every flagship will be at their top for atleast a year as per their specs, you can expect the same for galaxy s3, its the best around now. If you need a bigger screen then go for Note or wait for Note 2.(assuming note2 wont have any significant changes)
Yes there are always next generation(exynos 5 series,quad core krait) waiting to demolish all the current lineups like s3,hox,etc etc but it wont happen for atleast a year. this will be the same in the feature but with the reduced time gap

The SGS3 in Japan actually has 2GB RAM.
http://www.samsung.com/jp/galaxys3/index.html?pid=jp_home_thelatest_main_galaxys3_20120515
It uses S4 instead of Exynos.
It's like a totally different phone with the name of SSG3 (in terms of hardware).
BTW guys, recent "leak" by Nordichardware suggests that Note 10.1 will have a Exynos Quad using Mali-T604.
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...th-mali-604t-gpu-crushes-the-competitors.html

rd_nest said:
The SGS3 in Japan actually has 2GB RAM.
http://www.samsung.com/jp/galaxys3/index.html?pid=jp_home_thelatest_main_galaxys3_20120515
It uses S4 instead of Exynos.
It's like a totally different phone with the name of SSG3 (in terms of hardware).
BTW guys, recent "leak" by Nordichardware suggests that Note 10.1 will have a Exynos Quad using Mali-T604.
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...th-mali-604t-gpu-crushes-the-competitors.html
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mali t604 packed with exynos 4412 a9 design?? i dont think its possible......

bala_gamer said:
mali t604 packed with exynos 4412 a9 design?? i dont think its possible......
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@ rd_nest
it shows a dual core mali 400 mp for 2012-2013 , but we already have a quad core mali 400... ? the graph is interesting though

android_master said:
There is no doubt about that.If you remember Galaxy Note marketing strategy,Galaxy Note 2 to be expected to be announce very soon will be their new flagship,note 10.1 tablet benchmarks clearly shows better GPU Mali 600(5 times as powerful as the Mali 400 use in galaxy sIII),just imagine 5 times,there is no doubt that Note 2 will be launching with the same hardware.Note 2 is their next flagship(expected to be announced shortly).As for LG they are ready with A15 krait quad core with adreno 320 and is officially the most powerful smartphone out there,enough to put all these A9 quad core to shame(remember what dual core A15 did to quad A9,Tegra).Now it's up to you which flagship you want,as in android unfortunately every week will have a new flagship,specs and size going higher and higher.
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Did you ever take in consideration that that might be a rumor? Or the over hype factor like what happen with the SGS3?
-1080P Screen
-1.5 ghz quad core
-12 mp camera
-2gb ram
Remember all that? I mean it's believable because LG is late tot eh party, but lets not forget that the S4 Pro hasn't even been found in a device and you think they're going to skip over that?
If it's true, I just want to believe it when I see clear and concrete evidence.

bala_gamer said:
@ rd_nest
it shows a dual core mali 400 mp for 2012-2013 , but we already have a quad core mali 400... ? the graph is interesting though
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Yea, this graph is representative of the ARM portfolio. That dual-core Mali (year 2012-2013) was projected for a device in the entry-mid range level. If some company releases a phone in the entry level with Mali400 MP2, I think it's quite acceptable in 2012.

NVIDIA Tegra 4 vs Nexus 10 processor

They've unveiled it today
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/06/nvidia-tegra-4-official/
and apparently it's much powerful and faster than the eqynox on the nexus 10, but I don't know that much about this kind of tech, I'm probably finally going to buy the Nexus 10 this week if Samsung doesn't unveil a more powerful tablet, so I was wondering if this Tegra 4 processor is worth waiting for until it's implemented on a tablet.

May TEGRA 3 Rest in Peace ...
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Yes that thing is packing heat. Best case, the next device with a tegra 4 will come out next Christmas. Unless they've been hiding something.

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Yes that thing is packing heat. Best case, the next device with a tegra 4 will come out next Christmas. Unless they've been hiding something.
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It will be out somewhere b/w June and August maybe..
It will not take that long ...
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i think march....mark my words

Their browser test is having the Nexus 10 run Chrome while the Tegra runs AOSP. In my eyes that makes it a 100% unfair comparison.
Between bad experiences with Tegra 2 and 3 (Atrix/TF700) and their requirement that Tegra optimized games not run on other SoC vendors without any real reason other than because they can, I cant even consider a mobile Nvidia device. All they're good for is keeping the more reputable chip makers on their toes.

yes it's nice

Would be interesting to see this with both devices running the AOSP browser! From my experience it is much faster than the current chrome version (which still is version 18 on android, compared to 23 on desktop). Maybe the Tegra4 would be faster aswell, but not that much.
Everything on my N10 is extremely fast and fluid, so I wouldn't wait for whenever the first Tegra4 devices will be available. Plus its Nexus so you know what you are buying!

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Their browser test is having the Nexus 10 run Chrome while the Tegra runs AOSP. In my eyes that makes it a 100% unfair comparison.
Between bad experiences with Tegra 2 and 3 (Atrix/TF700) and their requirement that Tegra optimized games not run on other SoC vendors without any real reason other than because they can, I cant even consider a mobile Nvidia device. All they're good for is keeping the more reputable chip makers on their toes.
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Agreed, they're making an Apples and Pears comparison that was undoubtedly set to show the new processor in a good light. It's only to be expected, it is a sales pitch after all. It will no doubt be a faster chip though.
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I would much rather see a couple benchmark runs myself. A time comparison of a web browser is no way to test the power of a new chipset.
Still, I would expect Tegra 4 to be WAY WAY WAY more powerful than the Exynos 5250. Both devices use the A15 architecture, and Tegra 4 has twice as many CPU cores as we have. This alone is already a big boost in multithreaded apps. Then look at the GPU where you cant even compare the two at all except by end result numbers. They are just far too different. We have 4 GPU cores, Tegra 4 has 72 GPU cores. But those cores are designed far differently and not nearly as powerful per core. It is all about the companies definition of what a GPU "core" is. And then you have a smaller process node as well, which by itself already promises to use less power than the larger process node the Exynos 5250 uses.
I would honestly expect the Tegra 4 chipset to completely destroy our tablet in terms of performance, but a much more fair comparison would be to compare the Tegra 4 to the Exynos 5 quad. Those two are actually designed to compete with each other.

If you want to compare exynos and tegra 4 then wait for exynos 5450 (quad a15) which should come with galaxy s4 no of cores makes a difference here t4 is quad but early gl benchmarks show that A6X and exynos 5250 have a better GPU

First Tegra 4 Tablet running stock android 4.2:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3845608/vizio-10-inch-tablet-combines-tegra-4-android-thin-body

Lets hope and pray Vizio managed to add microSD capability to it. Free of Nexus restraints, it should be doable, but since it is running stock JB, the storage would have to be mounted as USB (?) . So far this Vizio 10" was the most exciting Android development out of CES. We have few more our of Press events scheduled in Vegas and then it will be all over

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Lets hope and pray Vizio managed to add microSD capability to it. Free of Nexus restraints, it should be doable, but since it is running stock JB, the storage would have to be mounted as USB (?) . So far this Vizio 10" was the most exciting Android development out of CES. We have few more our of Press events scheduled in Vegas and then it will be all over
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Dont expect the Nexus advantage of up-to-date software or timely updates.

EniGmA1987 said:
I would much rather see a couple benchmark runs myself. A time comparison of a web browser is no way to test the power of a new chipset.
Still, I would expect Tegra 4 to be WAY WAY WAY more powerful than the Exynos 5250. Both devices use the A15 architecture, and Tegra 4 has twice as many CPU cores as we have. This alone is already a big boost in multithreaded apps. Then look at the GPU where you cant even compare the two at all except by end result numbers. They are just far too different. We have 4 GPU cores, Tegra 4 has 72 GPU cores. But those cores are designed far differently and not nearly as powerful per core. It is all about the companies definition of what a GPU "core" is. And then you have a smaller process node as well, which by itself already promises to use less power than the larger process node the Exynos 5250 uses.
I would honestly expect the Tegra 4 chipset to completely destroy our tablet in terms of performance, but a much more fair comparison would be to compare the Tegra 4 to the Exynos 5 quad. Those two are actually designed to compete with each other.
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look at the new iphone only 2 cores (different architecure) beating the higher clock double cored galaxy s3 in some disciplines..
this presentation is scientifically SO SO irrelevant especially becasue they use different software.. I LOL SO HARD at ppl thinking this is anywhere near to be comparable

schnip said:
look at the new iphone only 2 cores (different architecure) beating the higher clock double cored galaxy s3 in some disciplines..
this presentation is scientifically SO SO irrelevant especially becasue they use different software.. I LOL SO HARD at ppl thinking this is anywhere near to be comparable
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The new iPhone 5 doesnt use the same ARM architecture are the S3 though, it is a custom design. So those can be compared against each other fine to see which architecture is better. And if a slower clock speed CPU gets better scores then we know it is a superior design. This is the basis of all benchmarking. If we were only allowed to compare the exact same architectures together then we wouldnt learn anything.
Tegra4 uses a (probably slightly modified) A15 core, and the Exynos 5xxx uses a fairly stock A15 core. So a higher clocked A15 should beat out a lower clocked A15 in a direct comparison no matter what. Then when you throw 2 additional cores on top it should always win in multithreaded benchmarks too. Seems pretty common sense to me.
The main difference will be in the graphics side of things, where Nvidia has their own designed GPU compared to Samsung's use of the Mali GPU's.
You can still compare them together just fine, it just need to be both of them on the same browser if there is a browser comparison being done. In this PR release, Nvidia skewed the results like all companies do. So we cant really see the difference between the two from those pictures and we need to wait for 3rd party review sites to do proper testing to see actual results. Yet we can still estimate performance plenty fine since we have a baseline of the architecture already with this tablet.

"Tegra 4 more powerful than Nexus 10"... well duh! It's a new chip just unveiled by nvidia that won't show up in any on sale devices for at least a couple of months. Tablet and smartphone tech is moving very quickly at the moment, nvidia will hold the android performance crown for a couple of months and then someone (probably samsung or qualcomm) will come along with something even more powerful. Such is the nature of the tablet/smartphone market. People that hold off on buying because there is something better on the horizon will be waiting forever because there will always be a better device just a few months down the line!

EniGmA1987 said:
The new iPhone 5 doesnt use the same ARM architecture are the S3 though, it is a custom design. So those can be compared against each other fine to see which architecture is better. And if a slower clock speed CPU gets better scores then we know it is a superior design. This is the basis of all benchmarking. If we were only allowed to compare the exact same architectures together then we wouldnt learn anything.
Tegra4 uses a (probably slightly modified) A15 core, and the Exynos 5xxx uses a fairly stock A15 core. So a higher clocked A15 should beat out a lower clocked A15 in a direct comparison no matter what. Then when you throw 2 additional cores on top it should always win in multithreaded benchmarks too. Seems pretty common sense to me.
The main difference will be in the graphics side of things, where Nvidia has their own designed GPU compared to Samsung's use of the Mali GPU's.
You can still compare them together just fine, it just need to be both of them on the same browser if there is a browser comparison being done. In this PR release, Nvidia skewed the results like all companies do. So we cant really see the difference between the two from those pictures and we need to wait for 3rd party review sites to do proper testing to see actual results. Yet we can still estimate performance plenty fine since we have a baseline of the architecture already with this tablet.
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That was kind of his point.
I don't think anyone is denying that the tegra will be faster. What's being disputed here is just how much faster it is. Personally, I don't think it'll be enough to notice in everyday use. Twice the cores does not automatically a faster CPU make, you need software that can properly take advantage and even then is not a huge plus in everyday tasks. Also, in the past Nvidia has made pretty crappy chips due to compromise. Good example being how the tegra 2 lacked neon support. The only concrete advantages I see are more cores and a higher clock rate.

Based on the hype : performance ratio of both Tegra 2 & 3 I wouldn't have high hopes until I see legit benchmark results.
What does seem promising though, is the fact that they are making more significant changes than from T2 to T3, such as dual channel memory (finally after 1-2 years of all other SoCs having it -.-) and the GPU cores are different too.
Still, the GPU has always been the weakest point of Tegra, so I still don't think it can beat an overclocked T-604 by much, even though this time around they will not be the first ones to debut a next-gen SoC. Given the A15 architecture they can't really screw up the CPU even if they wanted to, so that should be significantly faster than the Exynos 5 Dual.
I've also just read this article on Anandtech about power consumption and the SoC in the Nexus 10 consumes multiple times as much power as other tablet chipsets, making me wonder how nVidia plans to solve the battery life issue with 2 times as many cores and a (seemingly) beefier GPU, not even mentioning implementation in phones..

freshlysqueezed said:
First Tegra 4 Tablet running stock android 4.2:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3845608/vizio-10-inch-tablet-combines-tegra-4-android-thin-body
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Apparently this is the tablet that comes to take Nexus 10 spot, Vizio 10 inch tablet with Tegra 4, 2560 x 1600 resolution, 32gb storage, Android 4.2. And it should be coming out Q1 2013, I think this one makes me wait to hear some more about it until I buy the Nexus 10, although to be honest the brand is a bit of a let down for me.
Edit: the 10-inch model, key specs (aside from Tegra 4) include a 2,560 x 1,600 display, 32GB of on-board memory, NFC and dual 5MP / 1.3MP cameras.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/07/vizio-10-inch-tegra-4-tablet-hands-on/

Samsung announces Exynos 5 Octa, an A15 and A7 hybrid SoC

Samsung's most exiting announcement yet - the Exynos 5 Octa chipset.:laugh:
It brings 8 processor cores, which distribute the work load among each other.
Four Cortex-A15 cores ensure incredible performance while the other four are low-power Cortex-A7s that kick in for the less demanding tasks and save battery power.
The chipset is based on ARM's big.LITTLE tech, which ensures that you will always get enough performance without having to deal with terrible battery life.
Samsung promises up to 70% lower power consumption compared to the Exynos 5 Dual, which is powering the Google Nexus 10 tablet and the latest Chromebook by Samsung.
The Exynos 5 Octa could posses as much as twice the 3D rendering prowess of the Exynos 4 Quad, which is found in the Galaxy S III. :good:
Will this end to Samsung S4?

Hard to say, normally use exynos 5 quad since no device using it yet
Yet, the other 4 core should use cortex a9
Then totally is a beast already
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So? What is it that a single A15 core can not do but 4 A7 cores can? Low expected performance or low power consumption?

_delice_doluca_ said:
So? What is it that a single A15 core can not do but 4 A7 cores can? Low expected performance or low power consumption?
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I think the main idea about this chip is the low power consumption.
Tegra used single companion core but Samsung uses 4 companion core-like.
Samsung is crazy they may add it in S4, besides they are the manufactures.

XeactorZ said:
Hard to say, normally use exynos 5 quad since no device using it yet
Yet, the other 4 core should use cortex a9
Then totally is a beast already
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Exynos 5, maybe. But the Chip are the same with Exynos 5 but with just addition of little cores. Im i right?

XeactorZ said:
Hard to say, normally use exynos 5 quad since no device using it yet
Yet, the other 4 core should use cortex a9
Then totally is a beast already
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Agree. A7 cores may provide good battery life but i guess performance will not be up to the mark. But then there's 4 a15 cores, a heck of performance
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All that announcement sounds great, but how to cool it down when reaching high clocks and high temperatures? Isn't this Biglittle chip more suitable in a bigger body , Chromebook, tablet, rather than in a phone? I understand the swapping on the fly between the lower and higher cores, but the heat question is not answered for me. Can somebody with better knowledge enlighten me?

Aur3L said:
All that announcement sounds great, but how to cool it down when reaching high clocks and high temperatures? Isn't this Biglittle chip more suitable in a bigger body , Chromebook, tablet, rather than in a phone? I understand the swapping on the fly between the lower and higher cores, but the heat question is not answered for me. Can somebody with better knowledge enlighten me?
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Some rumours suggest that they'll use the 8 core in tablets and chrome books, and that the S4 may have a 4 core version with 2 A15's and 2 A7's. Just a rumour but heat and volts will be a lot lower with 4 less cores. I have no idea how dual A15's are in terms of perfomance, haven't checked other phones benchmarks in ages

Just need to announce the most expected product: exynos sources
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_delice_doluca_ said:
So? What is it that a single A15 core can not do but 4 A7 cores can? Low expected performance or low power consumption?
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You must look at this as the current Intel laptops who have I3,5,7 processors.
When you are browsing the web the onboard videpchip is doing all the rendering. But when you Start up for example FarCry the onboard chip gets overloaded and the graphics card takes over the duty. Power when you need it, to save power.
Another example :
When the V-TEC kicks in yo !
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The reason for the A15 and A7 is that the A7 will handle simple tasks and minimal multitasking but when pressure is placed on the CPU it will switch to the A15 to easily handle it then back to A7 when the power of the A15 is not needed aka BIG little tech which means the perfect balance between performance and battery life
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marcellocord said:
Just need to announce the most expected product: exynos sources
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1+ mate

DramatikBeats said:
Some rumours suggest that they'll use the 8 core in tablets and chrome books, and that the S4 may have a 4 core version with 2 A15's and 2 A7's. Just a rumour but heat and volts will be a lot lower with 4 less cores. I have no idea how dual A15's are in terms of perfomance, haven't checked other phones benchmarks in ages
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If they switch to Dual A15 and Dual A7's then Sony Z will take over in performance and will be the number one choice.
If S4 gonna have Big Small 8core its gonna Rock and will have unbeatable performance.
About the temp, when on 3G and browsing i guess it will be on A7 so temperatures is expected to be low.
Do you know most of the time S3 uses dual core and the rest are off and sometimes single core only!!

Note III will have plenty of space to include this monster of a chip. Looking at all the 5"+ devices at CES, the S IV will also be big enough for it (and also with enough room to dissipate all the heat).

Guys, just think, if you check on wikipedia, there is no Exynos 5 quad and I don’t think they will release any after the OCTA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos_(system_on_chip)
As everywhere is said, the exynos 5 quad will be just a murder for a battery, so I’m sure they will use OCTA in S4. Come on Samsung, we want S4 with OCTA !

demlasjr said:
Guys, just think, if you check on wikipedia, there is no Exynos 5 quad and I don’t think they will release any after the OCTA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos_(system_on_chip)
As everywhere is said, the exynos 5 quad will be just a murder for a battery, so I’m sure they will use OCTA in S4. Come on Samsung, we want S4 with OCTA !
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Exynos octa is a exynos 5 quad with a A7 cpu

demlasjr said:
Guys, just think, if you check on wikipedia, there is no Exynos 5 quad and I don’t think they will release any after the OCTA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos_(system_on_chip)
As everywhere is said, the exynos 5 quad will be just a murder for a battery, so I’m sure they will use OCTA in S4. Come on Samsung, we want S4 with OCTA !
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Wikipedia is written by users, not companies.
There is a Exynos 5 Quad and they announced it in their smart TV's and that expansion module for upgrading for > 2012 models. It's running at 1.3GHz.
We know there's a 5410 (As shown during the Octa presentation at CES) and a 5440, as disclosed in the Linux upstream kernel.

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Do you have the thread link on PCInLife? Edit: Found it but attachments are registered only and I can't get passed the Chinese catpcha.
Anyway, those slides are great. It supports all use-case models so basically the possibilities are limitless on the side of the kernel and power management. Only thing I wonder now is if the two clusters are on separate frequency planes.

I think it's come from here : http://we.pcinlife.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2038663&extra=&ordertype=1&threads=thread&mobile=yes
But i'm not sure because i don't speak chinese. I found it on Anandtech's forum.
Edit : Sorry, i'm a little late.