Database Users

Adreno 225 vs "New" Mali 400MP4

So I have been doing a lot of research looking for what will be better and I am guessing that the Mali 400 is going to out perform the Adreno 225. I wish android had a solid GPU test that would give something close to real world results. But if you take a look at these articles you will see on paper the Adreno is the same as the Apple 4S's Power VR543MP2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...mance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks/3
Now the International version will have the new Exynos 4 Quad (4412) Quad Core Cortex A9 but the US version is rumored to have a Dual Core Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8960 with the Adreno 225.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
and here are some other benchmarks just to sum up the difference in performance.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
The main thing I am worried about is GPU performance the CPUs in just about every phone out right not seem over kill. I want to make sure the phone I buy will be able to run FPSE(Playstation Emulator) and N64oid(N64 Emulator) smooth. FPSE now has an Open GL plugin that needs a hard core GPU to run well. My Galaxy nexus is just not cutting it anymore.

So............... get the international version.

cmd512 said:
So............... get the international version.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LTE Speed vs 3G Speed = not worth it.
Don't get me wrong I want a phone with a power house GPU but if the mobile connection is slow its just not worth it. I'm on Verizon and I don't want to move away from their LTE.

Zzim said:
LTE Speed vs 3G Speed = not worth it.
Don't get me wrong I want a phone with a power house GPU but if the mobile connection is slow its just not worth it. I'm on Verizon and I don't want to move away from their LTE.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I hear ya, LTE is blazing fast. But on my unbranded SGS2, I get downloads of up to 7.5Mbps, pay $10 a month for unlimited HSPA+ data w/ tethering, and everything is plenty fast for what I do on my phone. So, while LTE is tempting for sure, still doesn't outweigh the other benefits.
Now, if I ever need my phone to seed torrents or something, I'll have to look at LTE then... hah.

cmd512 said:
I hear ya, LTE is blazing fast. But on my unbranded SGS2, I get downloads of up to 7.5Mbps, pay $10 a month for unlimited HSPA+ data w/ tethering, and everything is plenty fast for what I do on my phone. So, while LTE is tempting for sure, still doesn't outweigh the other benefits.
Now, if I ever need my phone to seed torrents or something, I'll have to look at LTE then... hah.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Are you with ATT because I can get a line through my work for 20 a month unlimited everything. 7.5 would be enough speed to make me switch and how consistent are these speeds?

How could the just give the us version a dual core? That makes the phone a very slight upgrade to the s2
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA

@ Op
did you see the date of the article regarding "Mobile SoC GPU Comparison" ? its dated february and they are comparing with the sgs2 mali 400 gpu not the one in sgs3. the new mali gpu is already beating all the current lineup of many gpus in many becnhmarks

bala_gamer said:
@ Op
did you see the date of the article regarding "Mobile SoC GPU Comparison" ? its dated february and they are comparing with the sgs2 mali 400 gpu not the one in sgs3. the new mali gpu is already beating all the current lineup of many gpus in many becnhmarks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The other articles were just to show the performance of the 225 this article shows how the new Mali will run http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
That article also show that the GS2(Mali400) and the GS3(Mali400MP4) are different in some way.

Zzim said:
Are you with ATT because I can get a line through my work for 20 a month unlimited everything. 7.5 would be enough speed to make me switch and how consistent are these speeds?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
At work (average congestion), it's consistently 7Mbps+. In areas of great congestion (the mall, etc), it does slow down, but again, for work E-mails, surfing the web, youtube, etc, I've never had issues. Of course, I'm in Austin, TX as well, and I've heard HSPA+ speeds are very much region specific.
If you can get a line through from work with unlimited everything, they may be able to get you onto the smartphone data plan tier, which some folks have gotten up to 10-11+Mpbs. I'm on the $10 a month unlimited non-smartphone plan, so I think AT&T caps it at around 7.5-8Mpbs. Still though, plenty fast for what I do with my phone.
(And, the unlimited tethering is a blessing when you're in airports and stuff. Our US airports blow as there is almost never free WIFI.)

Zzim said:
The other articles were just to show the performance of the 225 this article shows how the new Mali will run http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the scorecharts does shows the new mali400 topping the chart with good margin. what else do you need from a gpu ?

The SGS3's Mali-400 is just overclocked.
Anyways, if the US SGS3 comes with the S4 Pro (which has the new Adreno 320) then the difference in GPU will probably be minor.

dude have you seen those scores ? it beats the 4s graphics which we cant deny has a great gpu...
this is more than just an overclocked mali400 ... it may still be a mali400/mp4 but its not just overclocked its remade and has much higher clocks by the look of it
also im not sure about it coming with the s4 pro with adreno 320... i heard its not ready till end of year at earliest.. the mali-400 was the best android gpu and now its the best mobile gpu out atm

^^
u are right its not only just overclocked,there are some changes in the hardware part which we will know eventually in the upcoming days. i can easily OC my sgs2 mali400 to 400mhz, but you people know it wont give the same result as sgs3 which has much more pixels than s2

urmothersluvr said:
How could the just give the us version a dual core? That makes the phone a very slight upgrade to the s2
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
More cores doesn't = faster...
Look at AMD's bulldozer CPU with 8 cores vs Intel's core i5 with 4 cores...the i5 is faster in basically almost everything except for very specalized applications.
Faster cores > more cores.
The LTE dual core version of the SGS3 will use Krait S4 cores which are faster than A9 Exynos cores.
I wished Samsung did dual core A15s instead of Quad Core A9s.

Daemos said:
More cores doesn't = faster...
Look at AMD's bulldozer CPU with 8 cores vs Intel's core i5 with 4 cores...the i5 is faster in basically almost everything except for very specalized applications.
Faster cores > more cores.
The LTE dual core version of the SGS3 will use Krait S4 cores which are faster than A9 Exynos cores.
I wished Samsung did dual core A15s instead of Quad Core A9s.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Let's be clear on this
CPU vs CPU
Dual core S4 is not quicker than Quad Core Exynos

ph00ny said:
Let's be clear on this
CPU vs CPU
Dual core S4 is not quicker than Quad Core Exynos
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hmmm I don't know about that...

Zzim said:
Hmmm I don't know about that...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I for one certainly do. The Exynos 4412 uses a 32nm fab process as opposed to nearly every other A9 architecture based processor (like the 4+1 T3) and High K metal gate tech which basically means twice the processing power of the Exynos 4410 dual core with about 20% less power consumption and that's on a core against core basis. The 4410 was used in the Galaxy S II. So even if the Exynos 4412 was dual core, it's already natively 20% more battery efficient and twice as powerful than last year's model. Clearly we're talking about a lot more than just quad vs dual and 28nm vs 32 or 40. There is a LOT that has gone into the design of the Exynos. For instance keeping it the same size physically as the dual core model, or accepting 128 bit instructions rather than the paltry 64 bit instructions most other mobile processors are limited to.
Trust me, do your research, a Google search of Exynos 4412 brought up instant results that detail what a beast this chip set is.
Like these:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...re-processor-in-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S3_id29615
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...nos-to-appear-in-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id29494
And of course the official press release. Read through this and then the benchmarks you pointed out in the OP (I'm linking em anyway) Anandtech's benchmark tests were performed on demo units on display to handled and groped by hundreds of people. There's no telling how many people had used it before they bench marked it and no telling if they were able to do it clean (reboot device, no other apps running). If not than they tested it after some fairly heavy use and it still proved itself a beast.
http://phandroid.com/2012/04/25/sam...ynos-4-quad-for-their-next-generation-galaxy/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Research is your best friend. If you're looking for the most powerful CPU and GPU on a phone right now, this is it. And when the devs get a hold of it, it will become even better and will really be utilized to its full.
Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk 2

Gene_Bailey said:
I for one certainly do. The Exynos 4412 uses a 32nm fab process as opposed to nearly every other A9 architecture based processor (like the 4+1 T3) and High K metal gate tech which basically means twice the processing power of the Exynos 4410 dual core with about 20% less power consumption and that's on a core against core basis. The 4410 was used in the Galaxy S II. So even if the Exynos was dual core, it's already natively 20% more battery efficient and twice as powerful. Clearly we're talking about a lot more than just quad vs dual and 28nm vs 32 or 40. There is a LOT that has gone into the design of the Exynos. For instance keeping it the same size physically as the dual core model, or accepting 128 bit instructions rather than the paltry 64 bit instructions most other mobile processors are limited to.
Trust me, do your research, a Google search of Exynos 4412 brought up instant results that detail what a beast this chip set is.
Like these:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...re-processor-in-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S3_id29615
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...nos-to-appear-in-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id29494
And of course the official press release. Read through this and then the benchmarks you pointed out in the OP (I'm linking em anyway) Anandtech's benchmark tests were performed on demo units on display to handled and groped by hundreds of people. There's no telling how many people had used it before they bench marked it and no telling if they were able to do it clean (reboot device, no other apps running). If not than they tested it after some fairly heavy use and it still proved itself a beast.
http://phandroid.com/2012/04/25/sam...ynos-4-quad-for-their-next-generation-galaxy/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Research is your best friend. If you're looking for the most powerful CPU and GPU on a phone right now, this is it. And when the devs get a hold of it, it will become even better and will really be utilized to its full.
Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

Zzim said:
Hmmm I don't know about that...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Outside of floating point tests such as linpack, CPU benches will even have quad core tegra3 well ahead of the dual core S4
Quadrant, Antutu, etc will all show the same exact same performance gap and it's a big one
Let's get this straight
Main selling points for Dual Core S4 setup = battery life from 28nm die size and integrated LTE

Spartoi said:
The SGS3's Mali-400 is just overclocked.
Anyways, if the US SGS3 comes with the S4 Pro (which has the new Adreno 320) then the difference in GPU will probably be minor.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you are wrong,mali 400mp4 is a quad core gpu while mali 400 is a dual core gpu.
I want to see mali 400mp4 against sgs543mp4

Plp are saying the Nexus 7 processor is faster then then the 10. This true?

Thx for any feedback
Sent from my SGH-I747 using xda app-developers app

Who's saying that? Lol. Must be mis-informed
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2

Nexus 7: 1.2GHz quad core, A9 based
Nexus 10: 1.7GHz dual core, A15 based
It's probably quite difficult to find a use case on a tablet where more than two cores provides any tangible performance increase, but the much higher clock rate and newer architecture should definitely make a difference.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

Benchmarks shows that the new dual core is much faster than the n7 quad. Also the 2gb of ram

I suspect it's mostly because "Plp" don't understand how 2 cores can be faster than 4 cores.
Yes, they can and yes, they are. ARM15 CPUs have a new and vastly superior architecture.

It's top notch. Although core counts are great for marketing, don't get to worried. After people get their hands on it, we will have a better idea of performance. I remain confident I'm about to purchase the most powerful tablet available.
Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2

Biohazard0289 said:
It's top notch. Although core counts are great for marketing, don't get to worried. After people get their hands on it, we will have a better idea of performance. I remain confident I'm about to purchase the most powerful tablet available.
Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Technically that's not true, the latest iPad, I believe, vastly out performs this thing. That said, how is it gonna make use of all that power other than playing games, which let's face it, that's all iPad buyers do really...
Not like it'll be cracking aircrack dumps eh.
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

I saw a benchmark that placed the nexus 10 under the transformer TF300 (antutu). Would this be accurate? I would've thought that the nexus10 would've outperformed the transformer which has a quad core tegra 3 processor.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using xda app-developers app

UndisputedGuy said:
I saw a benchmark that placed the nexus 10 under the transformer TF300 (antutu). Would this be accurate? I would've thought that the nexus10 would've outperformed the transformer which has a quad core tegra 3 processor.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Saw that too, as well benchmarks in which the note 10.1 is having a better performance than the Nexus 10
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-10-review/
Funnily other sites really do say the Nexus 10 is the fastest they have seen so far.

4z01235 said:
Nexus 7: 1.2GHz quad core, A9 based
Nexus 10: 1.7GHz dual core, A15 based
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
4 * 1.2 GHz = 4.8 GHz
2 * 1.7 GHz = 3.4 GHz
Clearly, the Nexus 7 is much faster.
That is the discussion level when people come to the conclusion stated in the topic. Even in benchmarks - which all of the reviewers agree don't mirror the level of performance they experience in real world use - the Nexus 10 comes out way higher than the Nexus 7 while pushing 4 times the pixels! The Nexus 10 runs circles around its little brother...

The differences are so vast, it is almost incomprehensible to some. I'll use my same reference as I do with desktop processors. When quad cores really started coming around and making big appearances; software and games weren't exactly capable of utilizing the abilities. So, an e8400 3.0GHz dual core would out perform it's bigger quad core brother that ran at the same frequency and architecture in a lot of applications. Back in 2008, gaming rigs almost always would sport the dual core processors. Simple fact is that those processors use cache that is on the die. 6mb for two cores is better than 8mb for four cores.
So, until software developers really have a need for a quad core, the dual cores will run with the quad cores just fine. Benchmarking however, almost never show any real world performance. I'm sure this dual core is going to surprise even the more skeptical guys and gals.
Sent from the Blue Kuban on my Epic 4G Touch

Maxey said:
Saw that too, as well benchmarks in which the note 10.1 is having a better performance than the Nexus 10
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-10-review/
Funnily other sites really do say the Nexus 10 is the fastest they have seen so far.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The benchmarks are selling the N10 very, very short. There is a great review linked in this post where the author says exactly that.

Here's the post that stamps its feet and declares the absolute truth:
Cores aren't everything.
And you can think that we're just a bunch of fanboys trying to justify the use of dual core in the Nexus 10, but even non-fanboys who know how these processors work would tell you a dual core A15 is far more powerful than a quad core A9.
Now everything below this post is purely observation based (I'm not an engineer nor have I really studied up on computer parts), but I think it gives a casual user a good idea of how a CPU works.
So, before you go out screaming "wtf. why are there only 2 cores in the nexus 10. lol so noob," ask yourself this: what do extra cores even do? If you can't answer that, then don't complain because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. It's not simple multiplication of the frequency (for example, 4 x 1.2ghz = 4.8ghz). A 4.8ghz phone would be able to run Crysis without a problem (of course with a dedicated GPU, but that's besides the point). That's obviously not the case.
The major difference between the A15 and the A9 is their microarchitecture. You can think of it this way. A mouse has to go through a course. There are two courses:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
and
.
We call the maze A9 and we call the straight route A15.
Now, we will pretend "ghz" is a measure of intelligence (higher the better). A mouse that has an intuition level of 2.0ghz has to go through maze A9. Complicated right? It'd take awhile even if the mouse was kinda smart. But now a mouse that has an intuition level of 1.7 ghz has to go through maze A15. Easy. The maze route is a straight line - who wouldn't be able to find the end? So in the end, we ask ourselves, "Who gets the job done faster?" Obviously, the mouse in the A15 does even though it's not as smart. In this way, the A15 is just more efficient. So clock speeds (which are things like 1.0 ghz, 2.0 ghz, 1.5 ghz, 1.8 ghz) are only a part of the story. You need to factor in the microarchitecture (or in this example, the way the maze is organized).
Now, we go into cores. We can think of cores as splitting the work. Now, we will consider this scenario: we want to calculate how much time it takes for the maze to be completed four times (regardless of how many mice you are using - we just want to complete this maze 4x). A quadcore CPU that contains the 2.0ghz mouse can be represented by 4 mazes:
The dualcore CPU that contains the 1.7 ghz mouse can be represented by 2 mazes.
.
With the quadcore CPU, we will finish the task in only one go. Just put a mouse in each maze, and once they're done, we've completed the maze four times. With the dualcore CPU, we will finish the task in two go's. The mouse in each maze will have to go through each maze twice to finish the maze 4x. However, let's look at the "microarchitecture," or the maze route. Even though the dual core CPU (A15) needs to finish this task in two go's, it'll still do it a lot faster, because the route is far easier to go through. This makes the A15 more powerful. You can complete tasks quickly.
So when judging the "power" of SOCs, you need to keep three things in mind: cores, clock speed, and microarchitecture.
Clock speed = frequency such as 1.5ghz
Cores = dual core, quad core
Microarchitecture = A9, A15
Sometimes the microarchitecture won't be a vast enough improvement to justify a seriously lopsided clock speed. For example, a 4.5 ghz Intel Sandy Bridge CPU will be tons faster than a 3.2 ghz Intel Ivy Bridge CPU even though the Ivy Bridge CPU has a new microarchitecture. But, an Intel Sandy Bridge CPU clocked at 4.5 ghz will be slower than an Ivy Bridge CPU clocked at 4.4 ghz because the microarchitecture is slightly better.
Anyway, I hope this clears things up. I know the information here is probably not 100% accurate, but I'm hoping this is easier to understand than pure numbers and technical talk.

Where are the idiots that keep saying this? Honestly, I'm growing tired
Think about it, do you really think the quad core in your tablet is faster than say, a dual core core i5 in a laptop?
NO
Maybe this explains to you how a new processor architecture (A15), even at a dual core, can be faster than a quad core on the old architecture

Good explanation @404 !

What I'm worried about is whether the processor can handle that screen. I wonder if its possible to overclock it?

BB AMOLED and Exynos :(

Sad news...
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
We also know more about the build and dimensions of the device. According to our insider the dimensions of the device are 140.1 x 71.8 x 7.7mm and the weight is 138 gram, the new Galaxy S IV will use a home button and will have touch buttons. If you look at the photo below you will see that it will be square formed again, so they dropped the Galaxy SIII design line. He also said the sides are made from aluminium but the back is still plastic which automatic hints to a removable battery which is good to know.
Yesterday we already found out that the Galaxy S IV will have a 13 megapixel camera. Some leaked photos created by the Galaxy S IV showed up to confirm that.
If our insider is right again this is a bad sign for all the EXYNOS and AMOLED freaks out there. Below a list of the confirmed specifications through us right under the specification list you will see the boot screen photo.
- 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display
- Snapdragon 600 1.9 Ghz
- 2 GB RAM
- 16, 32 or 64 GB
- 13 Megapixel
- 140.1 x 71.8 x 7.7mm
- 138 gram
- Home button with touch buttons
- Plastic back with aluminium sides
- Removable battery
- Black / White
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/

Sad news? This is great news if it's true!

AW: BB AMOLED and Exynos
No Exynos isn't that bad.
No AMOLED would be disappointing.
SD card, removable battery and a menu key makes it still top on my list.
Sent from my GT I9300

So no octa - core discussed earlier? shame

Glebun said:
So no octa - core discussed earlier? shame
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why do you even need 6 cores. Currently no app is using 4 cores anyway. It is a waste of time and money to have 6 core processor on a phone..

harise100 said:
No Exynos isn't that bad.
No AMOLED would be disappointing.
SD card, removable battery and a menu key makes it still top on my list.
Sent from my GT I9300
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No octa - disappointing because no power saving
But if it was supposed to be Eynos Quad A15 - dont care, Snapdragon is good too
Meemo23 said:
Why do you even need 6 cores. Currently no app is using 4 cores anyway. It is a waste of time and money to have 6 core processor on a phone..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exynos octa is 4xA15 + ultra power saving 4xA7

Meemo23 said:
Why do you even need 6 cores. Currently no app is using 4 cores anyway. It is a waste of time and money to have 6 core processor on a phone..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exynos 5 Octa uses I think it was 4 low power cores and 4 high speed cores, so it's not a battery drain for low end tasks. (Octa = 8)
I will wait for official word on this, I can't see Samsung announcing the Octa this year, then not using it, it gives competitors a chance to trump it.
If they do use the snapdragon 600 it will be good because whist yes the Exynos is a good processor Samsung will not release decent documentation for it, so developers have a hard time getting AOSP roms working efficiantly, the Snapdragon range is completely open source so roms will work a lot better, and be easier to port. Exynos has already made developers leave Samsung devices.

delsus said:
Exynos 5 Octa uses I think it was 4 low power cores and 4 high speed cores, so it's not a battery drain for low end tasks. (Octa = 8)
I will wait for official word on this, I can't see Samsung announcing the Octa this year, then not using it, it gives competitors a chance to trump it.
If they do use the snapdragon 600 it will be good because whist yes the Exynos is a good processor Samsung will not release decent documentation for it, so developers have a hard time getting AOSP roms working efficiantly, the Snapdragon range is completely open source so roms will work a lot better, and be easier to port. Exynos has already made developers leave Samsung devices.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Or may be, just like S3, the Snapdragon will be for LTE and Exynos for non-LTE S4s?

#fake #fail

samydroid said:
Or may be, just like S3, the Snapdragon will be for LTE and Exynos for non-LTE S4s?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Possibly but less likely with them using Exynos in the i9305 showing they can make it work (im not too sure the exact reason for not using Exynos in the US variants)
Sent from my GT-I9300 using xda premium

Sv: BB AMOLED and Exynos
Makes me wanna sell my S3...
Sent from my GT-I9300 using xda app-developers app

WOW GS4 with Amoled plus @1080p with Exynos Octa and 3GB of ram with 128GB memory
LMAO

samydroid said:
Or may be, just like S3, the Snapdragon will be for LTE and Exynos for non-LTE S4s?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
doubt that, since they got LTE and exynos working together finally. but the snapdragon seems like a give and take situation. that octa looks like it'll be an amazing processor, but if it's a snapdragon then we can finally get AOSP working fine.
as for the LCD, that's gonna be a personal preference for everyone. I wouldn't mind either, but I'd miss the blacks on the LED. the color punch is really nothing, I set my display to natural.
but really, do we even need the octa now? these phones we have now are over powered. I run my note ii at 1ghz with 1 core enabled and notice no differences in day to day use (except video chatting, that requires at least two cores lol) . point is, these quad cores (by today's standards) are just too much, and kinda gimmicky. I don't think we'll need to see the octa for a good year or two.
Sent from my GT-N7105 using xda app-developers app

HandsomeAssDomo said:
doubt that, since they got LTE and exynos working together finally. but the snapdragon seems like a give and take situation. that octa looks like it'll be an amazing processor, but if it's a snapdragon then we can finally get AOSP working fine.
as for the LCD, that's gonna be a personal preference for everyone. I wouldn't mind either, but I'd miss the blacks on the LED. the color punch is really nothing, I set my display to natural.
but really, do we even need the octa now? these phones we have now are over powered. I run my note ii at 1ghz with 1 core enabled and notice no differences in day to day use (except video chatting, that requires at least two cores lol) . point is, these quad cores (by today's standards) are just too much, and kinda gimmicky. I don't think we'll need to see the octa for a good year or two.
Sent from my GT-N7105 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Samsung have announced the Octa now, it won't be long before other chip manufacturers try to beat it, then Samsung's great idea will be old tech before it comes out. They have no choice but to put it in something if they want to make any use of it.

Btw we will get more details from Samsung on mwc starting tomorrow. Ill believe this only if it comes from Samsung. Whatever the processor or screen it has already been decided and s4 shoukd be in mass production right now.
《posted from s3》

I think that's nt true. Because making a SS on PS and open up that image on a phone and taking a photo in bad light conditions isn't too hard.
Actually, I think that phone is Xperia Z or LG Optimus and photo taken with a S3...
Next Galaxy S device(international version) will have Exynos Octa(5440 or 5410) or Dual(5250) with 5" FULL HD Super AMOLED Display. Why Samsung use another solution? I don't know any logical reason. Warming? Power consumption? Software based reasons? I don't think so. This is my two cents.
On the other hand, I think(I know, I used a lot -I Think-s)next Galaxy S device will have Exynos Octa, 2GB of ram, Mali T604 or T658 GPU, better camera lens(S3's sensor is good but lens is a bit deficient.), 2600mAh battery and also more durable chasis and screen. On software, Samsung will do wonders...
Edit: If I had gramatical mistakes, I want to say I'm sorry for that. Because Eng. is my 3rd language.

You obviously seem to have very little knowledge concerning technical product design. If it' physically impossible at the moment to manage the heating problems in this case, then in fact THIS IS a reason to kick the Octa processor for a Snapdragon...
|| Typed with my S3 or my Note 10.1 ||

I for one welcome Qualcomm in the international Samsung phones. Makes for a great if not superb aosp experience, doesn't it? Or am I being too naive?

ch0ka said:
You obviously seem to have very little knowledge concerning technical product design. If it' physically impossible at the moment to manage the heating problems in this case, then in fact THIS IS a reason to kick the Octa processor for a Snapdragon...
|| Typed with my S3 or my Note 10.1 ||
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
sorry u r Wrong , because snapdragon s4 pro overheat and throttle like hell and probably S600 will overheat even more

Theshawty said:
I for one welcome Qualcomm in the international Samsung phones. Makes for a great if not superb aosp experience, doesn't it? Or am I being too naive?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
well lets hope, but its Ssung, u never know what they come up with.

Exynos Octa 5 is confirmed to be used in Galaxy S4

Octa 5, which is also named as 5410, has 4+4 cores(Can be both enable at the same time, but Samsung doesnt provide 8-core mode because of power consumption ) and 544mp(maybe 533mhz 544MP3) GPU.
The good news is that 28nm HP makes it has much lower power consumption than 4412 when only the A7 cores are running.
But sadly it only get 24000+ scores in Antutu, lower than Tegra 4. What's worse, they both dont support Open GL 3.0!!!!!!
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium

alexander1995 said:
Octa 5, which is also named as 5410, has 4+4 cores and 544mp GPU.
The good news is that 28nm HP makes it has much lower power consumption than 4412 when only the A7 cores are running.
But sadly it only get 24000+ scores in Antutu, lower than Tegra 4. What's worse, they both dont support Open GL 3.0!!!!!!
View attachment 1773421
View attachment 1773422
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i find this hard to believe. For a start A15 cores are huge and hot and made for tablets unless clocked around 900mhz. Die area for an 8 core design is going to be way bigger than anything else on the market. Makes me think this isnt made for a phone.
Even Tegra 4 is made for tablets and the 4i is the phone variant with LTE built in. Since all of these are 28nm then there is no die shrink to help.
Snapdragon 600 looks to be a quad core with low power use and benchmarks very high. I doubt the solution is an A15 + A7 chip 8 core.
Where is the proof?

From 'various' source I have read (just google) the international will have the 8 core where the US version will have the snapdragon 600. These are mostly speculation with 'some' insider info. Won't be much longer until we know for sure...

Here is the maximun power list
4210→about 3w
4412→2w
8064→about 5w
tegra4→between 5w and 7w
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium

alexander1995 said:
Octa 5, which is also named as 5410, has 4+4 cores and 544mp GPU.
The good news is that 28nm HP makes it has much lower power consumption than 4412 when only the A7 cores are running.
But sadly it only get 24000+ scores in Antutu, lower than Tegra 4. What's worse, they both dont support Open GL 3.0!!!!!!
View attachment 1773421
View attachment 1773422
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That 40000 bugs me.
sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300
Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784401
Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head

Hmm...
5.5W?

Seems likely this is real deal
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda app-developers app

alexander1995 said:
But sadly it only get 24000+ scores in Antutu, lower than Tegra 4.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Those preliminary numbers from Teg4 are nothing but Nvidia's famous marketing hype which they are far better at than meeting delivery schedules and self-declared performance claims. The benchmarks were from a cobbled together device that can't even be considered a reference platform. And there was no battery life optimization applied so, at the scores posted, a tablet would probably last three hours. Until their chips are in a device that's purchasable anything Nvidia's says or does should be taken with a grain of salt.

Or maybe Octa start from A7s to A15s, That it isnt higher than Intel Dual Cores makes no sense
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium

alexander1995 said:
Or maybe Octa start from A7s to A15s, That it isnt higher than Intel Dual Cores makes no sense
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What makes no sense?
Are you guys still fighting over Antutu/quadrant scores? Someone should kill those benchmarks. Waste of time and a disgrace in the name of benchmark tests. an antutu/quadrant score is just a score. you could literally smell a device and give better prediction about performance than those benchmarks could possibly give you.

hot_spare said:
What makes no sense?
Are you guys still fighting over Antutu/quadrant scores? Someone should kill those benchmarks. Waste of time and a disgrace in the name of benchmark tests. an antutu/quadrant score is just a score. you could literally smell a device and give better prediction about performance than those benchmarks could possibly give you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not to mention this forum is about the sgn2, not speculation or otherwise on other devices. :/
-----
I would love to help you, but help yourself first: ask a better question
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

spycedtx said:
Not to mention this forum is about the sgn2, not speculation or otherwise on other devices. :/
-----
I would love to help you, but help yourself first: ask a better question
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2091232
sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300
Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784401
Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head

*another* variant
sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300
Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784401
Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head

i9100g user said:
*another* variant
sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300
Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784401
Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
26xxx points in Antutu? I think all these benchmark screenshots are fake. Tegra 4 gets more than 36xxx points while getting double the cpu integer and floating point performance of the exynos octa. Both chipsets are using 4 A15 cores. The only reason for such a bad score can be that there are only the A7 cores running instead of the A15 cores. So I think, the final S4 with Exynos Octa will get at least 30xxx points or more in Antutu.

SaschaHa said:
26xxx points in Antutu? I think all these benchmark screenshots are fake. Tegra 4 gets more than 36xxx points while getting double the cpu integer and floating point performance of the exynos octa. Both chipsets are using 4 A15 cores. The only reason for such a bad score can be that there are only the A7 cores running instead of the A15 cores. So I think, the final S4 with Exynos Octa will get at least 30xxx points or more in Antutu.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I will be actually happy if the device runs most times on A7. If that means lower scores on some benchmarks, i will have no complaints. BTW, it's useless discussing about nvidia's marketing numbers. we can talk this to death after it's released in a device. i am sure we can also do a lot with benchmarks on a heatsinked test device.
the moment a whitepaper talks about antutu/quadrant scores, it starts to lose credibility.
BTW, antutu is a device benchmark tool, not a processor benchmark.

Finally freed from ARM Mali 400-MP4 ! Note 3 will probably also have this system. Now in Real Racing 3 in high details ~25-30 FPS so it's sad
Bad english sorry ... Google translator

Delete

Those s4 leaks were fake apparently (updated by sammobile)
But these are real ones , this is AT&T variant running Snapdragon600:
[Url http://www.gsm-israel.co.il/%D7%97%D7%93%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%93%D7%99-%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%99-%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%9A-%D7%9E%D7%AA%D7%95%D7%9A-%D7%94-galaxy-s-iv] Source here[/url]
sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300
Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784401
Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head

Exynos Octa 5 vs Intel arm, may be soon !

Exynose for me all the way. The best soc of current era. No overheating issues easily overclockable and gives the max
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda app-developers app

Exynos 5420 vs Snapdragon 800

Hello guys,
I am a newbie and I would love if someone could technically compare this two socs.
I have already read the topics in the Galaxy S4 sections, but they are not updated.
I would like to hear from expert users what are the differences performance-wise.
I also have some questions:
1) Which version is the Octacore soc in the Note 3? 5420?
2) In practice I know that if I choose the Snap800 version I get LTE and 4k video recording; but what are the advantages of the Octa Core soc?
I know that the new Octa Core is 15-20% more powerful than the 5410, but so is the snap800 vs snap600. What is the best in raw performance between the two socs?
3) How does the new Adreno 330 compare against the new Mali T628 in terms of pure performance?
4) I read in the S4 forum that the Exynos 5410 is affected by a bug at the Corelink which caused some slow downs in the switch between A7 and A15 cores. Is the Exynos 5420 bugfree?
5) Which cpu is more future proof? I mean, aren't the A15 cores newer than the Snap's Krait 400?
6) Do we actually know if the 5420 supports the HMP (Heterogenius MultiProcessing)? If it does, will we have to wait for a software upgrade? (kernel?)
7) Which will be the best for battery consuption? Today I read that the Snap800 has an Envelope Tracking which should reduce the battery consuption caused by the mobile network by 30%, but I have read everywhere that the octa core is a bit more power efficient.
Sorry for all those questions and for my english. I study economy and I have just a little knowledge of these things

It does now. And they actually created a song to show that:

CLARiiON said:
It does now. And they actually created a song to show that:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you, so we have an answer for my 6th question, but are we sure that the video is referring to the 5420 soc and not to a future revision?
Edit: for the people who might be interest, I found this page in a forum in which there is a comparison between Adreno 330 vs Mali T628:
http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1768581 and in terms of pure performance the Adreno 330 seems to be around 25-26% better than the Mali. But both deliver more GFlops than the Tegra 4.
So at the moment:
Snap800:
+ Ultra HD 4k video recording;
+ Lte
+ Better GPU performance (aprox 26% more)
OctaCore 5420
+ HMP which should led to better battery life
+ New A15 platform
The only things left to understand is the raw power of the cpu (4 A15 @1.9ghz vs 4 Krait 400 @2.3ghz) and the efficiency (Octa's HMP vs Snap's Envelope Filter http://gigaom.com/2013/09/05/thanks...xy-note-3s-huge-screen-wont-kill-its-battery/ which is said to spare 25% of battery life! Is that believable??)
Any idea?

TMaLuST said:
Edit: for the people who might be interest, I found this page in a forum in which there is a comparison between Adreno 330 vs Mali T628:
http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1768581 and in terms of pure performance the Adreno 330 seems to be around 28-29% better than the Mali.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Don't look at GFLOPS number for 2 different architecture. Doesn't make much sense.
Just as an example, check numbers for Adreno 330 and T4. GFLOPS are quite different, but actual GFXbench numbers are very close.
Samsung says GPU is 2.3 times the Octa 1st-gen.
In SIGGRAPH event, they showed that it's 2x N10 numbers in a prototype. Just not the fps, but the overall demo looks much cleaner. So, I expect the number to be close to 2.5x-3x once it's optimized fully. You will notice that similar happened with T4 Shield. Over period of time, it has got much better result.
Another very nice demo of the T628 GPU:

TMaLuST said:
Hello guys,
I am a newbie and I would love if someone could technically compare this two socs.
I have already read the topics in the Galaxy S4 sections, but they are not updated.
I would like to hear from expert users what are the differences performance-wise.
I also have some questions:
1) Which version is the Octacore soc in the Note 3? 5420?
2) In practice I know that if I choose the Snap800 version I get LTE and 4k video recording; but what are the advantages of the Octa Core soc?
I know that the new Octa Core is 15-20% more powerful than the 5410, but so is the snap800 vs snap600. What is the best in raw performance between the two socs?
3) How does the new Adreno 330 compare against the new Mali T628 in terms of pure performance?
4) I read in the S4 forum that the Exynos 5410 is affected by a bug at the Corelink which caused some slow downs in the switch between A7 and A15 cores. Is the Exynos 5420 bugfree?
5) Which cpu is more future proof? I mean, aren't the A15 cores newer than the Snap's Krait 400?
6) Do we actually know if the 5420 supports the HMP (Heterogenius MultiProcessing)? If it does, will we have to wait for a software upgrade? (kernel?)
7) Which will be the best for battery consuption? Today I read that the Snap800 has an Envelope Tracking which should reduce the battery consuption caused by the mobile network by 30%, but I have read everywhere that the octa core is a bit more power efficient.
Sorry for all those questions and for my english. I study economy and I have just a little knowledge of these things
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
1) Exynos 5420
4) Exynos 5410 had its CCI disabled-a hardware limitation, not a bug. The CCI is enabled in 5420
6) It does support all the 3 processing types. Latest linux kernel has the support.
The rest of your questions (3,5,7) need real life testing and user reaction and professional reviews as the two variants will finally be out.
BTW, the youtube video demonstrated another new variant- Exynos Octa-Pella which most probably will be called Exynos 5440 and will come later this year.

thekoRngear said:
1) Exynos 5420
4) Exynos 5410 had its CCI disabled-a hardware limitation, not a bug. The CCI is enabled in 5420
6) It does support all the 3 processing types. Latest linux kernel has the support.
The rest of your questions (3,5,7) need real life testing and user reaction and professional reviews as the two variants will finally be out.
BTW, the youtube video demonstrated another new variant- Exynos Octa-Pella which most probably will be called Exynos 5440 and will come later this year.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you very much. I learn a lot everyday here on Xda!

If you want a more future-proof device, i'd go with an obvious (for me, at least) choice for the S800. You'll get the drivers and more dev support. Samsung doesn't release all the drivers - they never did and i don't think that's going to change for their Exynos chipsets.

Not to mention the fact that if you like CM/AOSP stuff, you better stick with the Snapdragon model
Edit: adding link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31873214&postcount=7773
.

electronical said:
If you want a more future-proof device, i'd go with an obvious (for me, at least) choice for the S800. You'll get the drivers and more dev support. Samsung doesn't release all the drivers - they never did and i don't think that's going to change for their Exynos chipsets.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Really ?
And I thought GPU drivers got updated on my s3(Exynos) :wink:
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk HD

qualcomn for better development on ASAP based roms
Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk 2

Going with the s800.
Purely for the fact that it will receive better dev support.
Interesting to see how they both compare against each other.
If they both had 4g it would be a different story - What is samsungs excuse for the lack of 4g? Surely the 5420 supports it

I'd go for the 5420 for the HMP and the Wolfson DAC
Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk

hisname said:
qualcomn for better development on ASAP based roms
Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ASAP? Or did you mean AOSP?

TMaLuST said:
Snap800:
+ Ultra HD 4k video recording;
+ Lte
+ Better GPU performance (aprox 26% more)
OctaCore 5420
+ HMP which should led to better battery life
+ New A15 platform
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wait, is this true? Only the Snap800 will have LTE support? That doesn't seem logical? Isn't the Exy5420 supposed to be a super modern SOC?

batna.antab said:
I'd go for the 5420 for the HMP and the Wolfson DAC
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Damn...the Wolfson dac.....serious point !
Is the Krait dac on the Snapdragon that much worse ?
.

LTE has been around quite sometime already... i wonder why samsung processor don't support it...

Edit: Never mind
.

I really want to know the performance of Exynos version before I buy it (because Snapdragon version is not available in my country)
Is there any lag in Exynos version?

Riimez said:
Going with the s800.
Purely for the fact that it will receive better dev support.
Interesting to see how they both compare against each other.
If they both had 4g it would be a different story - What is samsungs excuse for the lack of 4g? Surely the 5420 supports it
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Regarding better dev support for the S800 a person ( most likely spam but I am unsure not being fully immersed in the tech world) on this site in the comment section claims vice versa, poor support from qualcomm and better support from samsung.
Seems I can't post the link because I am a new member. Can anyone confirm this?
Also on a side note, what size is the architecture of the A15 built on and the new Snapdragon 800 eg. 22nm process or 28 nm process?

Preliminary benchmarks!
Some preliminary benchmark from Exynos Octa version.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}