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Why Nexus S is Google's new baby.

Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, or they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 200 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has the same chip
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.

Rawat said:
Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, and they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 205 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has it too
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.
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This is a great analysis Rawat
I'll be really interested to see how quick my Nexus-1 gets gingerbread. If it takes weeks after the 16th or after the new year then I would have to agree

ap3604 said:
This is a great analysis Rawat
I'll be really interested to see how quick my Nexus-1 gets gingerbread. If it takes weeks after the 16th or after the new year then I would have to agree
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I think the trend will be that the newer versions of android will be developed on Nexus S, and as such they'll be the first to receive it, and the N1 will get the updates a around a month or so later, as long as the device meets the minimum spec.
Google said they do their OS development on one device. Think it was andy rubin when he was showing parts of the mototab, and it was maybe in one of the Nexus S / gingerbread phone videos.

The nexus one actually has an adreno 200 the 205's are much more improved as seen in the g2,desire hd,and my touch 4g. Also the new snapdragons are believed to be on par if not better than hummingbird cpu's
Some comparison androidevolutions . com /2010/10/13/gpu-showdown-adreno-205-msm7230-in-htc-g2-vs-powervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/

Indeed you're correct. 1st gen chips had adreno 200, 2nd gen had 205s.

I don't think the gpu and CPU are the reason more so the screen along with samsungs ability to prodce said screens.

adox said:
The nexus one actually has an adreno 200 the 205's are much more improved as seen in the g2,desire hd,and my touch 4g. Also the new snapdragons are believed to be on par if not better than hummingbird cpu's
Some comparison androidevolutions . com /2010/10/13/gpu-showdown-adreno-205-msm7230-in-htc-g2-vs-powervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/
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The CPU's may be on parr. However. CPU isn't what needs improved on the Snapdragons.
This is correct. SGX540 does perform about 2x as fast as SGX530 (found in Droid X, Droid 2, iPhone 3GS and a variation of it in iPhone 4). Unfortunately, Samsung's Galaxy S has been using the same GPU for many months now. So TI is playing a catch up on Samsung's SoC. To be fair, other manufacturers aren't exactly doing any better. Qualcomm's second generation GPU - Adreno 205 also performs significantly worse than SGX540 and (soon to be released) Tegra 2's GPU is also expected to be outperformed by SGX540. With Samsung claiming Orion improving GPU performance by another 3-4x over SGX540 must sound scary to other manufacturers!
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SGX540 = Hummingbird's GPU.
GPU means a ton when it comes to what you're actually going to see in action on the screen.

In the link I posted that doesn't seem so, the gpu actually faired well against the humming bird in the epic

adox said:
I don't think the gpu and CPU are the reason more so the screen along with samsungs ability to prodce said screens.
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Google said they added more features for better game programming. That's one of the major improvements in 2.3, so why would they pick screen over gpu? Galaxy S phones are considered one of the best device for Android gaming so it makes a lot of sense to have Samsung make a phone. The screen is an icing on the cake. I bet Samsung is going to use samoled screens a lot more on big phones they manufacture.

so true cant wait!

adox said:
In the link I posted that doesn't seem so, the gpu actually faired well against the humming bird in the epic
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On one benchmark. I wouldn't read into those results too much

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4059/nexus-s-and-android-23-review-gingerbread-for-the-holidays
anadtech review

Rawat said:
Hardware. Pure and simple. The Nexus One hardware was great at the time, but there are a few things that the Nexus One's hardware that needed to be upgraded, or they wanted to support in their new dev phone:
1) Proper Multi-touch screen.
Nexus One's screen isn't multi touch, and it's hardly even dual touch. It's a single touch screen that offered some limited dual touch support that only really works for pinch to zoom. The rotate with two fingers gesture that's in the new version of maps isn't supported on the Nexus One.​
2) Front facing camera.
iPhone has one, and made it somewhat popular. Google needed it in their dev phone to keep up.​
3) PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
The PowerVR SGX540 chip is *the* most powerful mobile chip on the market. It's significantly better than the adreno 200 found in n1, and has roughly double the power of PowerVR SGX535 that's in the iPhone 4 and iPad. Galaxy S maxes out most of the commonly used benchmarks, and comes close to maxing nenamark1 too.​
4) Wolfson Sound Chip is brilliant
The Galaxy S phones have *the* best sound chip on the market, and Nexus S has the same chip
check out the perfect audio quality part in GSMArena's review of Galaxy S​
Oh, and there's also the NFC chip, Super AMOLED screen, three-axis Gyroscope, and larger battery.
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Goddammint!!! I can't wait til Thursday!!!

zachthemaster said:
Goddammint!!! I can't wait til Thursday!!!
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Rofl I can't wait till there are tons of threads started such as "Goddammit I LOVE this phone!!!"

ap3604 said:
Rofl I can't wait till there are tons of threads started such as "Goddammit I LOVE this phone!!!"
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Haha goddammit i can't wait to post in those threads.. I'm so excited... New phone, new network... PUMPED

hmm.. sounds awsome..
but hey, someone knows if we can open the battery cover to replace the battery? im too used to carry two batteries.. i need it cause long weekends with heavy usage of the phone.. >.<
i didnt find anything about this :3

D4rkSoRRoW said:
hmm.. sounds awsome..
but hey, someone knows if we can open the battery cover to replace the battery? im too used to carry two batteries.. i need it cause long weekends with heavy usage of the phone.. >.<
i didnt find anything about this :3
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yah... duh haha

Sure you can
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I got to play with the Atrix yesterday...

So i'll start with the good, the screen is really nice.
The bad:
Not 4.3 even though it's higher res, it's nice to have larger size text.
I launched google maps and I wanted to see how the 2 finger rotating worked on both. It actually worked better on the EVO. You would think with a powerful cpu the atrix would be able to rotate with no lag...
Anyway, we're not missing much (It probably is better at 3D games which i don't normally do on my phone)
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I must add though that the build quality seemed excellent and it's nice size phone with perfect weight. It's a nice product don't get me wrong.

lowspeed said:
So i'll start with the good, the screen is really nice.
The bad:
Not 4.3 even though it's higher res, it's nice to have larger size text.
I launched google maps and I wanted to see how the 2 finger rotating worked on both. It actually worked better on the EVO. You would think with a powerful cpu the atrix would be able to rotate with no lag...
Anyway, we're not missing much (It probably is better at 3D games which i don't normally do on my phone)
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I hope you have your anti-flame forcefield on, because you are about to get thrashed with flames from every angle. The usual suspects are gonna give you the business and tell you how your opinion is not even close to being correct.......even though its your opinion. lol

Who flames in the EVO section. He just said my EVO is better. Thanks I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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novanosis85 said:
Who flames in the EVO section. He just said my EVO is better. Thanks I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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Just wait and see....

lowspeed said:
So i'll start with the good, the screen is really nice.
The bad:
Not 4.3 even though it's higher res, it's nice to have larger size text.
I launched google maps and I wanted to see how the 2 finger rotating worked on both. It actually worked better on the EVO. You would think with a powerful cpu the atrix would be able to rotate with no lag...
Anyway, we're not missing much (It probably is better at 3D games which i don't normally do on my phone)
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You're in denial. It's a defense mechanism, so don't worry.
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The OP is spot on.
65nm single core a8 1ghz snap dragon with no name gpu > 40nm dual core a9 1ghz tegra with nvidia gpu
1500 mah battery > 1930 mah battery
512mb of ram > 1gb of ram
480x800 resolution > 960x540 resolution
1 gb of internal storage > 16 gb of internal storage
the atrix is not even close.

detusueno said:
The OP is spot on.
65nm single core a8 1ghz snap dragon with no name gpu > 40nm dual core a9 1ghz tegra with nvidia gpu
1500 mah battery > 1930 mah battery
512mb of ram > 1gb of ram
480x800 resolution > 960x540 resolution
1 gb of internal storage > 16 gb of internal storage
the atrix is not even close.
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LOL.......

All I know about motorola is that their buld quality seems really solid. I don't care for Blur, but root solves that. The phone seems like a winner.
My buddy had an original Droid, was playing Pandora one day while we were about 25 feet in the air on a boom lift... dropped that sucker and all it did was pop the battery door off and scratch it a little... still worked like a charm.
Sadly, if I dropped my EVO from that Height.. it's smartphone heaven. I do still love my EVO tho

detusueno said:
The OP is spot on.
65nm single core a8 1ghz snap dragon with no name gpu > 40nm dual core a9 1ghz tegra with nvidia gpu
1500 mah battery > 1930 mah battery
512mb of ram > 1gb of ram
480x800 resolution > 960x540 resolution
1 gb of internal storage > 16 gb of internal storage
the atrix is not even close.
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The actual core of the cpu is an a8 cortex. I believe Google maps doesn't use much of the gpu, and Android and Android apps might not be able to make much use of multiple cores or threads.

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The actual core of the cpu is an a8 cortex. I believe Google maps doesn't use much of the gpu, and Android and Android apps might not be able to make much use of multiple cores or threads.
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the tegra 2 uses cortex a9 cores. but your probably right that android currently isn't optimized for the tegra2/dual core.

Atrix suffers from one severe limitation, which for many will be a complete deal breaker - ATT + their awesome atrix premium charges for using the atrix functionality.

bet if the atrix said evo and sprint on it you would think the world of it and go into the land of iphony and preach its gospel to the unenlightened

nabbed said:
Atrix suffers from one severe limitation, which for many will be a complete deal breaker - ATT + their awesome atrix premium charges for using the atrix functionality.
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Also its encrypted bootloader is definately a turn off. Wont be much development with it and it will go in the way of the milestone, droid X and other moto locked crapola.

nabbed said:
Atrix suffers from one severe limitation, which for many will be a complete deal breaker - ATT + their awesome atrix premium charges for using the atrix functionality.
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Is that like the $10 premium data plan we pay for?

spiicytuna said:
Is that like the $10 premium data plan we pay for?
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...and we get 500 kb/s 3g in return. thanks sprint!

detusueno said:
...and we get 500 kb/s 3g in return. thanks sprint!
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I have noticed that 3g is incredibly slow, something changed. It used to be very fast.

lowspeed said:
I have noticed that 3g is incredibly slow, something changed. It used to be very fast.
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yup, two years ago i used to brag about how fast sprint 3g was. gizmodo even rated them as having the fastest 3g of all carriers. then hspa+ came and t-mo/at&t passed us which was bad enough, but then sprint's 3g just took a complete nose dive over the last couple of months. what the hell is up with that? sprint's 3g is no where near as competitive with anyone anymore.

NewZJ said:
bet if the atrix said evo and sprint on it you would think the world of it and go into the land of iphony and preach its gospel to the unenlightened
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Preach on brother! Can I get an amen?
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Preach on brother! Can I get an amen?
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Not with a locked bootloader because all of the good Dev's on here would not be supporting it, so it really wouldn't be worth it. No CM7 Love or probably fresh or anyone else.

SGS2(mali400) beats iPad2(sgx543) in GLbenchmark

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I check the GLbenchmark website just now,found that the result of i9100 is now public.
Captured the pictures for your convinience.

If the benchmark only runs at native resolution then this is useless because the iPad has a much higher resolution, therefore it would perform worse. Of course if it runs at a fixed resolution I couldn't be more happy.

I know maybe it's a little bit unfair,it runs at native resolution,but still impressive.
And I did a little calculation with other model's results,the 25% more pixels leads to 12.5% less frames.
iPad 2 have 100% more pixels than SGSII.
(all proximate value)
1.25*1.25*1.25= 2;
0.875*0.875*0.875 =0.67;
So if SGSII has a iPad 2 resolution,the benchmark would be one third less.

Well for me it seems that sgx543 has better performance. But good thing is that it wont be that much.
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Well for me it seems that sgx543 has better performance. But good thing is that it wont be that much.
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I don't think performance is really that important, tbh. It's all about the kind of games that will be developed for the platforms. For example, even though the original SGS with its sgx540 is FAR better than the iphone 4's sgx535, the quality of games available and its graphics are much MUCH better on the iphone 4. I have both the gulf in class between the two when it comes to the quality of the gaming library is absolutely enormous, and only the tegra 2 phones have done something to bridge this gap for android phones.
One can only imagine the kind of awesome games that will be developed for that beastly sgx543 for the iphone 5. I just hope that the majority of the games will also find their way on the android market and the SGS2 (and not tegra zone), with its ever growing popularity because the mali definitely has the capability to run those games well.
Personally, i feel that the next iteration of the Xperia Play will be the ultimate device for hardcore gamers, beating even the iOS devices at the time. The current one is the ultimate emulation phone thanks to its brilliant gamepad, and runs all oldschool PSX, N64, SNES etc. games with aplomb - and if you're into that kind of thing then it's an absolute joy to behold.

No, most of the scores i've seen and done myself are around 40-44 fps for Mali, NOT 50 fps, I'm not sure what they've done to get over 50 fps but that's not what the phone normally scores.
Also theres a resolution difference.
EDIT: Just rechecked it's on Top not Average, when looking at benchmark numbers you need to look at the average framerate.
It's actually 46.7 fps or the iPad 2 and 40.2 fps for the Galaxy S II.

omersak said:
I don't think performance is really that important, tbh. It's all about the kind of games that will be developed for the platforms. For example, even though the original SGS with its sgx540 is FAR better than the iphone 4's sgx535, the quality of games available and its graphics are much MUCH better on the iphone 4. I have both the gulf in class between the two when it comes to the quality of the gaming library is absolutely enormous, and only the tegra 2 phones have done something to bridge this gap for android phones.
One can only imagine the kind of awesome games that will be developed for that beastly sgx543 for the iphone 5. I just hope that the majority of the games will also find their way on the android market and the SGS2 (and not tegra zone), with its ever growing popularity because the mali definitely has the capability to run those games well.
Personally, i feel that the next iteration of the Xperia Play will be the ultimate device for hardcore gamers, beating even the iOS devices at the time. The current one is the ultimate emulation phone thanks to its brilliant gamepad, and runs all oldschool PSX, N64, SNES etc. games with aplomb - and if you're into that kind of thing then it's an absolute joy to behold.
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If the xperia play has good quality N64 roms, my SGS 2 is going back to mr orange

Honestly benchmarks mean nothing if there's NO apps.
and take it from me, my iOS library is over 600 purchased apps and games, and I've got around 20 purchased games on android.
That's a huge difference, I literally KNOW of every game almost in existence I get them RIGHT away when they come out. I know the very vast differences in choices from Android gaming to iOS.
and I always miss my iOS games when i'm out (android phone) it's a good thing my iPad 2 gives me the Fix I need. =D
for you iOS gamers out there, seriously try out a game called "Battleheart" It will devour your soul... freaking epic game...

MaxxiB said:
If the xperia play has good quality N64 roms, my SGS 2 is going back to mr orange
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You'll be amazed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYodquYXArs
tbh every android phone can run n64 games well i guess, what sets the play apart is that there aren't any ugly and cumbersome touch controls taking up the screen.
But the fact remains that the SGS2, apart from the above, does everything else SO much better!

How many cores?
Can someone confirm if the Mali400 used in GS2 using multi core? I believe I read somewhere that Samsung decided to use only a single core for the GS2.

I think you can find some game pad for android on sale in the near future,since Gingerbread 2.3.4 supports Open Accessory API.
So you can connect to a pad when you play games,and get rid of it when you don't.

Based on some of those scores, it looks like it's hitting the 60fps cap

Even at higher res the exynos scores great, check the hard kernel benches =) their tab uses the same/similar chip
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Bear in mind that the GPU in mobiles tend to clocked lower than that in tablets to keep the power consumption down. So diffcicult to do an apples for apples comparison (excuse the pun) in this case. Will have to wait for iPhone 5 numbers.

rd_nest said:
Can someone confirm if the Mali400 used in GS2 using multi core? I believe I read somewhere that Samsung decided to use only a single core for the GS2.
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What i have read is that it uses a 2 core model. The 4 core model is headed for the Sony NGP.

Papi4baby said:
What i have read is that it uses a 2 core model. The 4 core model is headed for the Sony NGP.
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That's the PowerVR SGX543 you're thinking of. The iPad 2 uses the dual-core variant, the NGP will be using the quad-core variant.
The GS II has a quad-core Mali-400. Anything less, and it would never attain the results it's currently getting on GLBenchmark.

ph00ny said:
Based on some of those scores, it looks like it's hitting the 60fps cap
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The Pro test that's the case but it's not wit the Eqypt test, max is around 50 fps so it never even reaches 60 fps.

GLBenchmark HTC ONE only 34 FPS @ Egypt HD 1080P Offscreen

HTC ONE GLBenchmark only scores 34 FPS at 1080P offscreen, this is much lower than the Samsung SHV-E300s which scores 41.3 FPS, both using Snapdragon 600, in the same test. IRC HTC One is using LPDDR2 RAM, so are we seeing a lack of bandwidth compared to the Samsung which may use LPDDR3, which is supported by the S600.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&D=HTC+One

how do you know HTC One uses LPDDR2 memory

kultus said:
how do you know HTC One uses LPDDR2 memory
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http://www.htc.com/uk/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6754/hands-on-with-the-htc-one-formerly-m7/2

Turbotab said:
HTC ONE GLBenchmark only scores 34 FPS at 1080P offscreen, this is much lower than the Samsung SHV-E300s which scores 41.3 FPS, both using Snapdragon 600, in the same test. IRC HTC One is using LPDDR2 RAM, so are we seeing a lack of bandwidth compared to the Samsung which may use LPDDR3, which is supported by the S600.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&D=HTC+One
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My first question would be is how they even got a benchmark of the SHV-E300?

Xistance said:
My first question would be is how they even got a benchmark of the SHV-E300?
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How do any results appear on GLbenchmark?
I believe with GLBenchmark, that if you don't register / login before running the test, it automatically uploads to their server for public viewing, so maybe it was done intentionally, or somebody forgot to login?

fp581 said:
he is spamming all around the htc one just look at his posts plz ban him from posting in any htc forum ever again.
he probably works in sony nokia or samsung
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Who are you talking about?

sorry wrong person i'll delete that lest one.
but i would love pics of that benchmark for proof

fp581 said:
sorry wrong person i'll delete that lest one.
but i would love pics of that benchmark for proof
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Dude I was going to go atomic, I admit it I have a terrible temper
I believe the benchmark was run by a German Android site, called Android Next, there is a video on Youtube, the GLBenchmark starts at 2.22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl1dmNhhcXs&list=UUan0vBtcwISsThTNo2uZxSQ&index=1

thanks turbo for advanced my knoledge...what a shame they didnt choose LPDDR3 but i think its nt issue these days

Just to temper this news, we must remeber that the HTC One is running at 1.7ghz, while the Samsung device is running at 1.9.
Although 200mhz does not seem like much, it could possibly account for the 7 fps difference when u factor in the difference in UI.
If in fact the Samsung device really has DDR3 ram, and the difference (after accounting for clock speed) is 2-3 fps, I can understand why HTC opted not to include it. Was not worth the extra cost most likely.

Maedhros said:
Just to temper this news, we must remeber that the HTC One is running at 1.7ghz, while the Samsung device is running at 1.9.
Although 200mhz does not seem like much, it could possibly account for the 7 fps difference when u factor in the difference in UI.
If in fact the Samsung device really has DDR3 ram, and the difference (after accounting for clock speed) is 2-3 fps, I can understand why HTC opted not to include it. Was not worth the extra cost most likely.
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GLBenchmark is a test of GPU performance, and isn't really changed by CPU clockkspeed, but it is affected by bandwidth.
As a test, I downclocked my Nexus 7 from an overclocked 1.6 GHz to just 1.15 GHz, I ran GLBench and got 10 FPS. I then ran at the test again but with CPU at 1.6 GHz, the result, 10 FPS again.
I've benched the N7 with both CPU & GPU overclocked to the same level as Transformer Infinity, which gets 13 FPS, but I always get 10 FPS, the reason my N7 has lower memory bandwidth than the Transformer Infinity, because it use slower RAM and thus has less bandwidth. That is a difference of 30% in FPS, just because of lower bandwidth.
I read that LPDDR3 starts at 800 MHz or 12.8 GB/s in dual-channel configuration, whereas LPDDR2 maxs at 533 MHz or 8.5 GB/s max bandwidth in dual-channel configuration.

Turbotab said:
GLBenchmark is a test of GPU performance, and isn't really changed by CPU clockkspeed, but it is affected by bandwidth.
As a test, I downclocked my Nexus 7 from an overclocked 1.6 GHz to just 1.15 GHz, I ran GLBench and got 10 FPS. I then ran at the test again but with CPU at 1.6 GHz, the result, 10 FPS again.
I've benched the N7 with both CPU & GPU overclocked to the same level as Transformer Infinity, which gets 13 FPS, but I always get 10 FPS, the reason my N7 has lower memory bandwidth than the Transformer Infinity, because it use slower RAM and thus has less bandwidth. That is a difference of 30% in FPS, just because of lower bandwidth.
I read that LPDDR3 starts at 800 MHz or 12.8 GB/s in dual-channel configuration, whereas LPDDR2 maxs at 533 MHz or 8.5 GB/s max bandwidth in dual-channel configuration.
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In that case the results are quite disappointing.

All these fantastic new phones, and so much disappointment.
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Tomatoes8 said:
They could have used faster memory for the same price if they didn't cut off Samsung as a supplier. Makes you wonder where their priorities lie. Making the best products possible or just going with the motions.
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No one is going to take anything you say here seriously, as you've managed to have 2 threads closed in the last 30 mins. One of those inane posts you made involved you saying that HTC is going to be paying, according to your genius calculation, 20% of their profits to Apple (I forget what insanely unintelligent reason you gave). Yeah, because being able to completely migrate data from 1 completely different phone to another is such a bad idea for a company that wants to push their product.
So, what is the per unit cost of what HTC is paying for RAM now vs. what they could have gotten from Samsung? Exactly, you have no idea. I also didn't hear anything about HTC "cutting off" Samsung as a supplier, but maybe I missed it, so I google'd "htc cut off samsung supplier" and found 2 links...
http://tech2.in.com/news/smartphones/following-apple-htc-cuts-component-orders-from-samsung/505402
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20121009PD213.html
I'm not sure if you have the capability of reading or not, but I'll spoon feed you this information, ok hunny? I've taken the info from the 1st link, since there is more there.
After Apple Inc slashed its orders for memory chips for its new iPhone from major supplier and competitor, Samsung Electronics Co Ltd, HTC too has reportedly cut down on its smartphone component orders from the South Korean company.
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So, Apple cut down on memory orders. You know, they are the one's who make the iPhone? Have a logo of an Apple on their products? Steve Jobs was the CEO before he died. Anyway, I'll continue...
According to a report by DigiTimes, HTC has reduced its orders from Samsung, and instead opted to order CMOS image sensors from OmniVision and Sony. The company has also chosen to move part of its AMOLED panel orders to AU Optronics, DigiTimes reported citing ‘sources’.
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Notice it said that HTC reduced its orders from Samsung, specifically on the image sensors (that's for the camera, if you didn't know) and the screen. You know, the thing on the front of your phone that you touch to make it do things? You know what I mean, right? I encourage you to read this link (or possibly have someone read it to you)...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reduce
The point is that reduce isn't the same as cut off. Cutting off would require HTC not ordering ANYTHING from Samsung. Guess what? The One doesn't use an OmniVision CMOS sensor (don't forget, that's what the camera uses) or an AMOLED screen (the bright part of your phone that shows you info).
Also, this is a far better designed phone, especially in regards to hardware, than anything Samsung has ever produced. I went back to my EVO 4G LTE, mainly because I couldn't stand the terrible build quality of the Note 2. It just feels like a cheap toy. And, IMO, Sense is far better than TW. Samsung may have the market right now because of the Galaxy line of products, but that doesn't mean that HTC is out of the game by any means.
Seriously, attempt to use just a bit of intelligence before opening your mouth and spewing diarrhea throughout the One forums. As the saying goes: "it's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're an idiot, then to open your mouth and prove it". Unfortunately for you, it's too late.

I really think Turbo was too hasty to open a new thread for this as we've been discussing this in the mega thread
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&D=HTC+One
It scores 34fps in Egypt HD 1080p offscreen, while the leaked Samsung s600 device socres 41fps which is perfectly inline with Qualcomm's promised speed (3x Adreno 225)
here is a video of what I suspect the source of the benchmark, because we had no benchmark before it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl1dmNhhcXs
notice how the battery is almost at end (HTC bar at this stage means its in the last 25%) also notice the activity in the notification area
more important the post ran more than a few full benchmarks, like quadrant before running GL benchmark, this alone is enough to lower the score, especially since Adreno 320 was known to throttle in the Nexus 4
I think benchmarks scores should not be relied on in such events, especially with hundreds of hands messing with the device, we have learned from the One X launch where videos poped up showing horrible performance from the One X, eventually turned out to be were very far from the final device in ur hands
finally both the One X and Nexus 7 at the same gpu clock, but the first is DDR2 and the second is DDR3, score the same in GL Benchmark
in other words its worrying but it's best to wait for proper testers like Anand

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But...
I just wonder that a Samsung phone uses high end parts from Qualcomm instead of Samsungs processors. But I am not in Samsung devices so far, so I would not judge this
Gz
Eddi

Here's a second video also showing Egypt off screen bench at 34FPS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wijp79uCwFg
Skip to 3:30

Maedhros said:
Just to temper this news, we must remeber that the HTC One is running at 1.7ghz, while the Samsung device is running at 1.9.
Although 200mhz does not seem like much, it could possibly account for the 7 fps difference when u factor in the difference in UI.
If in fact the Samsung device really has DDR3 ram, and the difference (after accounting for clock speed) is 2-3 fps, I can understand why HTC opted not to include it. Was not worth the extra cost most likely.
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So you're saying that 200mhz o the CPU can account for 7 fps on a GPU test?
Following what you said, the Nexus 4 should have scored 27 fps? Since it has 200mhz less...
But no, it scored 33.7...only 0.3 fps less than the One!
And you know why? First both use the same GPU (and it's what counts for a graphic test) and second the HTC phones are always slower due to Sense!
So stop *****ing and realize that the One is no god phone

Samsung device is running 4.2.1

OUYA 2 with Tegra K1, AMD Mullins or Intel Silvermont?

What about OUYA 2 with Tegra 5?:cyclops:
It could be beast
Tegra k1 should be more powerful than 8800 GTX with Kepler and 28nm or better 20nm :fingers-crossed: it's like GT 740M in newest laptops and 64bits processing :fingers-crossed: everything with 2W TDP (This seems unbelievable).
Porting PC games to OUYA like a boss :good:
Code:
http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/168881-nvidias-next-gen-logan-chip-gets-some-facetime-shows-what-mobile-kepler-can-do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra
History repeats itself! They used Cortex-15 instead of Cortex-A50, goodbye power.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-k1-processor.html
But GPU could be good something like GT630
$99 for OUYA 2 with Tegra 5, 2GB RAM and 32GB rom
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Edit: Tegra 5 = Tegra K1
But it's probably never happen. They should release Tegra K1 in end of the 2014 Next NVIDIA fail!
And the power consumption is 5W AMD and Intel has max 4W and usually about 2W.
But AMD Mullins look pretty good and Intel Silvermont is looking also good.
Main picture of OUYA on this forum should be this:

You're blowing my mind man!! It would be amazing if that ever happened.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
You're blowing my mind man!! It would be amazing if that ever happened.
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:laugh::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
I think Tegra 5 can be even more awesome, because Apple's 64bit processor, Tegra 5 could be 64bit too and 64bit Android and OUYA 2 :laugh: :fingers-crossed: Maybe more than 4GB RAM :laugh:

I really doubt want to interrupt your dreams, but this doesn't sound realistic to me.
Besides that, ouya never tried to deliver extreme performance with cutting edge hardware. It's main purpose is a solid platform for independent games of which very little rally need the power tegra 3 could really deliver. I think tegra4 or even snapdragon 600 or 800, 2gb team 32 gb rom at max do sound way more realistic. But I doubt they can stay below 100 bucks then.
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Sorry for a bummer but OUYA is all about indie and retro games. Get a PS4 if you want Real gaming.
BTW, if you wish to run graphics hungry games on OUYA, change HDMI output to 720p (using Xposed mod), it will give you atleast 30fps in games like Asphalt 8. Makes me more than happy.

thats a shame and I hope it changes it's marketing on that.

taranfx said:
Sorry for a bummer but OUYA is all about indie and retro games. Get a PS4 if you want Real gaming.
BTW, if you wish to run graphics hungry games on OUYA, change HDMI output to 720p (using Xposed mod), it will give you atleast 30fps in games like Asphalt 8. Makes me more than happy.
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There is no working resolution at 720p. Check it with CPU-Z and test in Nenamark you will get same FPS. True 720p is in Tegraoverclock for OUYA, but there is not fullscreen because of Android 4.1. You should look in Tegra Overclock OUYA thread.
Asadullah said:
thats a shame and I hope it changes it's marketing on that.
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But now we have EternityProject

Mattthev said:
What about OUYA 2 with Tegra 5?:cyclops:
It could be beast
$99 for OUYA 2 with Tegra 5, 2GB RAM and 32GB rom
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Oh wait, they already TOOK your money...or you wouldn't be posting here
BTW: it's not Tegra 5...but Tegra K1, announced today. 192 cores that might be running 4.1.1 if it's in an Ouya.

It's a nice thought. But there would need to be a decent game line up before I throw my money at another dust collector

Ipse_Tase said:
Oh wait, they already TOOK your money...or you wouldn't be posting here
BTW: it's not Tegra 5...but Tegra K1, announced today. 192 cores that might be running 4.1.1 if it's in an Ouya.
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Yes They screwed me up.
Everyday I play lagging GTA SA or can't play movies form USB 3.0 I get mad. I hope EPRJ going to help us.
But something like OUYA with Tegra K1 (please be powerful not like Tegra 3 or 4), with CM 11 and ultimate custom kernel :fingers-crossed:

I really hope that OUYA goes for the Tegra K1.
Just got an OUYA for Christmas BTW. Loving every minute of with this little machine.

No Need for ouya 2
I think the ouya tegra3 quadcore has Power enough.
Theres actually no need for better CPU Specs.
But often buggy Software should proceed and the laggy controller shoud reworked

Einradbrot said:
I think the ouya tegra3 quadcore has Power enough.
Theres actually no need for better CPU Specs.
But often buggy Software should proceed and the laggy controller shoud reworked
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CPU is good, but GPU is a crap.

Mattthev said:
CPU is good, but GPU is a crap.
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Both are old and weak considering a three year old chipset. My S4 as example plays all newer 3d games and emulators like MAME and PSP much smoother at twice the res of my Tegra 3 devices.
Likely option is for the O2 (if one is ever released) to have a low cost, but MUCH more capable S600 in it. That is if $99 is the price point.

rushless said:
Both are old and weak considering a three year old chipset. My S4 as example plays all newer 3d games and emulators like MAME and PSP much smoother at twice the res of my Tegra 3 devices.
Likely option is for the O2 (if one is ever released) to have a low cost, but MUCH more capable S600 in it. That is if $99 is the price point.
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RK3288 look better with Mali-T76x

Would never waste my money on another ouya unless it runs stock android and I can run STANDARD ANDROID apps on it. Most disappointment i have ever had with a piece of hardware. I am all for android consoles I have been thinking about what i would do with one since the ouya was announced and even though i own an ouya i still havnt done the things that i was planning on doing. I do them with my tablet connect to hdmi but the ouya has no standard framework so loading apps is a finger crossed while praying affair and 75% of the standard apps don't work. Hell it cant even play games that my nexus 7 plays, modern combat perfect no lag on highwith nexus 7 on ouya with low settings it studders the entire time and is barely playable same with gta san andreas, hey but at least those two games work unlike the other 90% of gamepad supported android games that dont even load. Whoever releases the K1 in a console that runs stock android first is who is gonna get my next android purchase preorder.

huckjam said:
Would never waste my money on another ouya unless it runs stock android and I can run STANDARD ANDROID apps on it. Most disappointment i have ever had with a piece of hardware.
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I'm with you about to put mine on craigslist. It wasn't a bad console but the game selection is what killed me. When I saw titles like shadowgun I thought other companies would be able to easily port their games to it but...... well you know the rest.

Even an Ouya with Snapdragon 800 would be a lot better than with Tegra 3.
many games lag on the current Ouya, even N64 emulators could run better.
I'd gladly have an Ouya with better hardware specs to use ppsspp properly.