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Froyo features - some doubts

Hi,
There are are few features that were announced at I/O but I haven't seen so far:
- being able to install apps from the market on your PC.
- being able to buy music on the market.
- being able to stream music from your PC.
Were these features even announced for froyo, or are they scheduled for gingerbread? Do you guys know?

I say give it a week or two. Maybe Google is still working on getting the features out.

They said "these are some of the things they are working on for the next release" so we likely won't see these fully implemented until Gingerbread.

frandavid100 said:
Hi,
There are are few features that were announced at I/O but I haven't seen so far:
- being able to install apps from the market on your PC.
- being able to buy music on the market.
- being able to stream music from your PC.
Were these features even announced for froyo, or are they scheduled for gingerbread? Do you guys know?
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Those aren't features of FroYo only, but of www.android.com as well which is obviously not yet re-launched.

Gingerbread features or a mid update. Not in this release for sure. They said that loud and clear in the keynote.

Paul22000 said:
Those aren't features of FroYo only, but of www.android.com as well which is obviously not yet re-launched.
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That's what I meant, they depend on the market webpage but is froyo equipped to take advantage of these possible changes in the market? I mean, if it happened tomorrow; would froyo benefit from it?

frandavid100 said:
That's what I meant, they depend on the market webpage but is froyo equipped to take advantage of these possible changes in the market? I mean, if it happened tomorrow; would froyo benefit from it?
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Only the first one. The other 2 need an additional software plus an updated music player. I'm sure they wanna get this service up and running as fast as possible and we will probably get an OTA with this in the future. My best guess is that it will happen when the new market web site is released.

Thanks mate, that made it clearer. What about...?
- The application data backup. Is our apps' data being backed up now? Do developers have to change their apps to take advantage of the feature? What if we uninstall an app? Where -and how- does the user notice the feature?
- Searching within the apps' data. Does this mean that the global search will be able to find stuff inside your apps, that is, as if you hit the search button while using an app? Same as you can search something in the music app and the youtube app, even while not using them? If so, again; do developers have to modify their apps to take advantage of this feature? How does the user notice it?

Both of those require developers to use the feature in code
As for the original features, in the keynote they said "something we are working on for beyond Froyo" Which to mean could mean that its for between Froyo and Gingerbread, after all the code needed has all been added in Froyo

tomfreay said:
Both of those require developers to use the feature in code
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So, supposing a developer uses that specific feature in a certain app: would that mean that the app could only be used in 2.2 onwards? Or would older Android versions still be able to run it, albeit not using the feature?
A friend is developing a couple apps and he could use that information

lorin.bute said:
Gingerbread features or a mid update. Not in this release for sure. They said that loud and clear in the keynote.
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Yep. Before every one of these they clearly mentioned it.

frandavid100 said:
So, supposing a developer uses that specific feature in a certain app: would that mean that the app could only be used in 2.2 onwards? Or would older Android versions still be able to run it, albeit not using the feature?
A friend is developing a couple apps and he could use that information
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I'm wondering the same thing. I'm assuming that since it uses new APIs, that it could only be run on 2.2, but the features just seem not important enough to justify losing a ton of potential users.

Bypass Sprint-Specific Android Market

Does anyone know how to bypass the carrier-specific Android market? I know that the apps can be submitted to the market for a specific carrier, so is there a way to fool the market into thinking the phone is on a different carrier?
Basically, I'd like to download some apps (AT&T U-verse, Google Car Home, etc.) that are blocked on Sprint's Android Market. I know you can find the apk's on XDA and such, but I'm wondering if there's a more direct route?

Might be a bit cliche but you can find those apps on some alternative market apps like applanet. I will not post a link to it here as that app leads to downloading copyrighted apps for free and is to the best of my knowledge illegal and frowned on my the majority of the Android community.
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Does anyone know how to bypass the carrier-specific Android market? I know that the apps can be submitted to the market for a specific carrier, so is there a way to fool the market into thinking the phone is on a different carrier?
Basically, I'd like to download some apps (AT&T U-verse, Google Car Home, etc.) that are blocked on Sprint's Android Market. I know you can find the apk's on XDA and such, but I'm wondering if there's a more direct route?
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silverjack said:
Might be a bit cliche but you can find those apps on some alternative market apps like applanet. I will not post a link to it here as that app leads to downloading copyrighted apps for free and is to the best of my knowledge illegal and frowned on my the majority of the Android community.
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It's also the #1 way to get trojans on your phone. Derp.

Has anyone actually proven the existence of Trojan worms or viruses for android yet??
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It's also the #1 way to get trojans on your phone. Derp.
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I hate that Sprint decided that its users aren't worthy of the Skype app =/ I will not use that dumb Qik thing when I already have a Skype account, thanks.
edit: Rooting itself opens your phone to a lot more bad stuff...

market enabler can make market think your whatever you want.
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xfullmetal17 said:
I hate that Sprint decided that its users aren't worthy of the Skype app =/ I will not use that dumb Qik thing when I already have a Skype account, thanks.
edit: Rooting itself opens your phone to a lot more bad stuff...
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Skype owns Qik
Edit: Literally. Not like pwns. Like they actually own the company that makes Qik.
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What? I downloaded the skype app from the market on my evo...
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Market access in android market. You can find other carriers access number on xda.
Sent from my Evo that can't see the Apple orchard with its big wall.

Verizon market number 310012
Sent from my Evo that can't see the Apple orchard with its big wall.

At&t: 310410
T-Mobile: 310260
Blackberry: 30911
Virgin Mobile: 23203
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Wait... I'm confused.
How does one use those numbers provided to see other carrier's app markets?
And the online one market.android.com isn't comprehensive??
(Forgive the noob-like questions. I came to the Evo from iPhone less than 2 months ago, so I'm trying to ramp up my knowledge...)
Thanks in advance!

Goto the market and download market enabler. Then choose carrier. I did and it asked for root access so best get your root on for this. Otherwise use what I mentioned way up there^^^
TonyArmstrong said:
Wait... I'm confused.
How does one use those numbers provided to see other carrier's app markets?
And the online one market.android.com isn't comprehensive??
(Forgive the noob-like questions. I came to the Evo from iPhone less than 2 months ago, so I'm trying to ramp up my knowledge...)
Thanks in advance!
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chopper221 said:
At&t: 310410
T-Mobile: 310260
Blackberry: 30911
Virgin Mobile: 23203
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worked!...thanks chopper...I had heard about Market Enabler but I didn't know any of the carrier codes...any idea what the Sprint code is so I can go back if needed?

310120 you can just put that code and hit back up value. When ready to go back to Sprint hit restore value.
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chopper221 said:
310120 you can just put that code and hit back up value. When ready to go back to Sprint hit restore value.
Sent from my Evo that can't see the Apple orchard with its big wall.
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awesome...thanks!
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Is there a list of apps that are available on other networks?

Apparently so....
silverjack said:
Has anyone actually proven the existence of Trojan worms or viruses for android yet??
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So would say a link but I don't have enough posts yet to neatly embed as a hyperlink
Instead do a search of the sprintdroids forum for "google-remote-nukes-android-malware-off-phones-second-time-ever"
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Very Helpful thank you

There actually is a tweak for changing the carrier Market sees so you can see more apps. Obviously that is NOT any kind of security risk since those are still MARKET APPS.
I don't remember off the top of my head but it had to do with downloading Gmail, since that's not normally something you can do from the Market. It was related to CyanogenMod. I hope that helps.
There are also plenty of good legitimate markets out there like AppBrain, which I much prefer to the regular Market for finding cool new apps.

Sources people

sooooooo all this talk of vz limiting & suspending accounts due to data usages & this new "rooted phones hunter" from vz & moto talk...
has anyones account been limited? or are there any official news articles or actual announcements from vz or moto on the web?
just curious
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As to my knowledge, the only tethering app they can track is the 3G Mobile Hotspot app preinstalled into your phone. There is a hack that allows people to tether using that app for free.
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I've seen throttling but that's all. Nothing else yet.
Sent from my Droid X packing Gingerbread.

havent seen or heard anything
have no doubt eventually the possibility exists....doubt the sky is falling though....
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news with a reputable source sure would be appreciated....

Avelnan said:
As to my knowledge, the only tethering app they can track is the 3G Mobile Hotspot app preinstalled into your phone. There is a hack that allows people to tether using that app for free.
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I"m pretty sure that any type of tethering will get you in trouble from what a lot of P3droid's writing states... Esp. since google can remote wipe/remove apps from your phone...I would assume carriers have some insight as well to what a customer is using.

Google's insight is from what you've downloaded from the market I believe. I still can't believe how blown out of proportion this rumor has become.

taterDX said:
sooooooo all this talk of vz limiting & suspending accounts due to data usages & this new "rooted phones hunter" from vz & moto talk...
has anyones account been limited? or are there any official news articles or actual announcements from vz or moto on the web?
just curious
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There is already one thread about this topic don't need two

sorry didn't see the other thread... but how can they track an unrooted easytether app vs. the rooted wireless tether app? I don't doubt eventually one day this will all be true but I still think they have better things to do than to hunt rooted phone users down...
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You guys apps have nothing to do with it, you can download tethering apps, they just don't work, therefore they cannot bust you on this.
What they will bust you on is the IPs you are accessing, easy ones will be like Windows Updates servers, firewall/anti virus update servers, Steam will be another big one...
There is IPs that you will be accessing on your PC that some of you guys can't deny will be definitive proof you are tethering, and I guarantee as hard as you try they will always have a way of figuring it out and there is nothing you can do, its a service you are required to pay for and they are going to make you pay for it.

see that's coming at it from a different angle & I totally get that... but I paid for easy tether & I'm not rooted I use it on my personal com... & it works perfect I just think that if there was a true issue w/tethering why not remove easytether or pdanet from the marketplace? just my 2¢
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and I know someones going to say something along lines the lines of its a google vs. vz issue... well then if vz starts blocking apps I think there would be an issue w/google...
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taterDX said:
see that's coming at it from a different angle & I totally get that... but I paid for easy tether & I'm not rooted I use it on my personal com... & it works perfect I just think that if there was a true issue w/tethering why not remove easytether or pdanet from the marketplace? just my 2¢
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They cannot do this because no matter what Verizon, or any other carrier for that matter, wants us to pay for or does not want on the market, it is not their market. The market is controlled by Google and they will only remove apps that go against their policies.
Anyway we should all be aware that the android market is not the only source of apps for android. There is the Amazon market which certainly has different rules that Google's market, and there is Applanet which simply does not have rules or at least none that would keep tethering apps out (or a large quantity of others either). Also, the developers could simply post the apps on their website if removed. Therefore it would not be at all effective to remove them from the market

for once I agree w/jmoney... and we have yet to see evidence of any account suspensions our cancellations due to tethering... still waiting on some proof & tired of all the "talk" of this rooted hunting sprees...
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What I have heard is that Verizon is not going after rooted users and to my knowledge are still taking the same stand against rooters as they have in the past. What they are going after are the people who use tethering without a tethering plan. They are only doing this because there are certain members of this community who use tethering for obscene amounts of data. These are the people who use 150gb or more a month and yes there are people who do that.
We need to remember that just because we can tether large amounts of data does not mean that we should. I saw the following analogy on an article online and I think it is an excellent way to think of this.
If you are in a supermarket and you notice that they are giving out free samples of something, there are two things you can do. You can just take one and everyone else can have one and there is no problem at all and they will continue to allow the free samples. Or, you could, since it is all free, take all of the samples for yourself and no one else will get any, and the store will stop providing them and everyone loses because you were greedy.
If we all just use a small amount a month, I'm very sure that there will be no problem with the carrier and we all can enjoy the exeperience

Movies in Market (3.1)

So I updated with the rooted 3.1 and it's awesome, but when I got into the market, there's just the apps and books tabs but no movies tab. Anyone else have the movies tab yet or is this coming from the OTA and not the leaked one?

i think movies only works with a 3g xoom so far, the wifi xoom and tf may come latter
from what i read somewhere

This may be the reason you don't see Movies on your rooted device...
androidcentral.com/google-movies-blocked-rooted-devices
put www infront

Google is blocking the movies feature from rooted devices.

calin75 said:
Google is blocking the movies feature from rooted devices.
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They must be blocking it from non rooted devices too, because I have no Movie tab in my market after upgrading to 3.1. However, I do have one on my pc on the Web based marketplace.

I'm not rooted and I can't see the movies either after 3.1

It's not available on all honeycomb devices yet, but I'm sure we'll find out more when we can have in in the coming weeks
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californiarailroader said:
They must be blocking it from non rooted devices too, because I have no Movie tab in my market after upgrading to 3.1. However, I do have one on my pc on the Web based marketplace.
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Its only available on non rooted Xoom 3G so far.
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Wow, this is ridiculous.
I don't understand why Google would show something off at IO, then not follow through for other devices.
Real fail Google... real fail...

As per this engadget review of the upcoming samsung 10.1 incher
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/08/samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-review/
....Android 3.1 brings along widgets that can be resized vertically and horizontally, access to the newfangled Movies section of the Android Market, improved overall performance and support for a host of USB accessories. Unfortunately, the Movies department is only open for Android 3.1 tablets with 3G radios, hence, our 16GB WiFi test unit still showed it as unavailable. ......
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Try going to the android market online using the stock browser. Movies for rent show up there.

4dthinker said:
Try going to the android market online using the stock browser. Movies for rent show up there.
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When you choose an unsupported app the device does not show up in the download to drop down, I believe the movies will be the same way.

"Unfortunately, the Movies department is only open for Android 3.1 tablets with 3G radios, hence, our 16GB WiFi test unit still showed it as unavailable"
That's just dumb.

Why in heaven's name would you now allow Movies on a WiFi only device?

polkadots said:
Why in heaven's name would you not allow Movies on a WiFi only device?
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Stupidity Either that, or it's a ploy by the carriers to push people into overages and ever more expensive data plans, they can't do that if you're only using WiFi.

californiarailroader said:
"Unfortunately, the Movies department is only open for Android 3.1 tablets with 3G radios, hence, our 16GB WiFi test unit still showed it as unavailable"
That's just dumb.
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You did say it was engadget.

Books section in Android Market app ?

I just started the market app on my TF and in the title bar next to where is says Android Apps there was a new tab that said "Books".
I tried clicking on it and the Market immediately force closed and now the tab no longer shows.
I've never seen this before. Anyon else seen it ?
I had heard Google were planning to add books, music and movies to the android market.
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That's been there from day one, you just never noticed it. I'm already on my 4th eBook purchased from Google. Tried the Nook and Kindle apps, but decided I preferred Google's one, and haven't looked back.

A) no it hasn't
B) it's not there now
C) I think it may only be available in US
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ozym said:
A) no it hasn't
B) it's not there now
C) I think it may only be available in US
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Your tablet may have falsely decided you were in the US. Unknown.
Regardless, I for one prefer the Kindle app... Mainly because my (now dead) Kindle's library remains. Haha.

ozym said:
A) no it hasn't
B) it's not there now
C) I think it may only be available in US
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My apologies. I missed the honking great Union Jack to the left of your post. ;-)
I'm actually a Brit myself (albeit living in the US), and now I think about it, I believe my brother told me Google's eBook service isn't yet available there yet.
Maybe you caught them doing a dry-run, or maybe their server erroneously thought your tablet belonged to the US market.