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Pocket-Lint.com - SE says "We've made mistakes, 2011 we'll be better"

“The first generation of handsets in our portfolio was about getting the capability out there”, Steve Walker (Acting) global head of marketing for Sony Ericsson told Pocket-lint, in a one-to-one interview at CES in Las Vegas.
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“Last year we didn’t anticipate the strength of feeling that consumers would have towards the Android release. And again that was a learning experience of the first year of mass market Android smartphones”.
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Here's the full article: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37869/sony-ericsson-2010-mistakes-made#ixzz1AqoY2JHm
Don't forget to post your comments for SE on the Pocket-Lint site.

I actually do have faith in SE handling their software better with the Arc and such, it just doesn't benefit me at all since I'm married to my X10 at least for the next couple of years or so. I dunno, everything I've felt is necessary to say about their current lineup is said already, it's nice to see SE admitting themselves that they failed. Even though their attitude is more like "We f'ed up, buy our new phone so that we can make up for it", than "Sorry we f'ed up, please enjoy our improved support for the X10 lineup in the year 2011!"

I should not read this :/ wrrrr...
“If we hadn’t done what we did with the X10 and the X10 minis we wouldn’t have been able to do what we’ve done here today”
M****r f****r :/

Tl;dr version - Lol congratz x10 owners you are officially our Guinea pig idiots, THATS what you get for trusting us to follow up on promises. Oh well right? No hard feelings k? thnxbai

ooidort said:
... it's nice to see SE admitting themselves that they failed. Even though their attitude is more like "We f'ed up, buy our new phone so that we can make up for it", than "Sorry we f'ed up, please enjoy our improved support for the X10 lineup in the year 2011!"
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This sums it up pretty well.
ledn said:
M****r f****r :/
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But, so does this.

bah. If they were sorry they would release the bootloader.

This only throws more wood in the fire.
Oh SE, you keep doing it wrong... And I still had a little hope...

kindred7 said:
bah. If they were sorry they would release the bootloader.
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Basically.

It's not news that they were wrong...
It would be nice to know they're going to make it right...
but they aint.

Hi, SE,how about giving us froyo + gingerbread or giving us all an Xperia Arc since X10 owners were all shafted?

Basically saying:
"Thanks to be beta-testers, dear users of X10-families. Now goodbye, but meanwhile please enjoy our half-arsed pathetic attempt in Android until it's dead, coz we don't care about old stuff no more now we got the Awesome Arc. Once again, thanks"

"we've made mistakes ".... saying that is the mistake... so that's mean buying x10 is a wrong thing and you should not buy x10 or x8 or mini because it's a mistake ... will i got SE something ... for me trusting SE was a mistake .

My usual,
SE, may Death be bestowed on you.
PUI...........

SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...

having looked at the new lg/htc/droid phones that are appearing in the very near future I reckon as usual sony is starting from behind, should be called xperia x10 v1.0
bet they wont unlock the bootloader either cos its probably the same code for all their new released phones.

coipu1234 said:
having looked at the new lg/htc/droid phones that are appearing in the very near future I reckon as usual sony is starting from behind, should be called xperia x10 v1.0
bet they wont unlock the bootloader either cos its probably the same code for all their new released phones.
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witch one "X10 , Mini , pro & X8" are outdated :s the arc is not on the Market
, we choose the bad brand and our dev try to give us some light with root and custom rom , i dont understand if Zdishu , Jerpelea & ... from XDA are able to develop 2.2 , 2.3 android rom , with good ressources they could do that perfectly pfff SE S**k

roaringhere said:
SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
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Got to agree there with u. And neither would I be suggesting this phone to any1 again. Sure it feels nice to see ppl admiring the x10 but what's the use if it ain't up to date. A smartphone that's not even a phone :'(
God damn SE atleast unlock the friggin' bootloader. x-(
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Screwing over your early adopters is a poor long term strategy.

D-Trixxx said:
Screwing over your early adopters is a poor long term strategy.
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Not when long-term is defined as a fiscal year.

roaringhere said:
SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
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I can't agree with this... maybe earlier it was like that, ppl never know about updates, and didn't care much, but now with all this Android hype, more and more people are talking about Android, Froyo, games, MT and stuff, they all are aware of this. And looking how HTC updates their cheap phones like Wildfire and Tatto to froyo... they will ask how come they don't have Froyo on top model SE phone
I'm sure that SE will get what it deserves..

Thanks and goodbye

I would like to thank everyone who helped me with the x10 feedbacks, i know u guys did it to avoid me suffering on SE hands what u guys suffered. I sent the X10 package back, and paid the difference of an Galaxy S t959, that i think i cant go wrong.
I let my best wish for you guys, and at least u made SE lose one customer, even before buying the phone.
Thanks again. Ruben

Bye
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Sorry to hear the negativity scared you off It is a great phone.. I haven't used the samsung though so I can't comment, but at least you will probably actually get updates lol

Did you look at the Arc, or are you turned off on SE in general? Although you wouldn't know it by looking in the xda forums, but SE is supporting the X10 like any other Android. It seems standard in the industry that every Android phone gets ONE major OS upgrade, and other smaller ones along the way. The X10 just happens to have already gotten its update, while Android released two new updates in the meantime, making our new update already dated. Android shouldn't be releasing updates this fast in the future, and we've all (including SE) learned our lesson about getting a phone with a dated OS to start with.
Also, for future knowledge in the Galaxy forums regarding posting etiquette....You should have posted your farewell in the other thread you already started on this subject called "Hi", because this is not a new topic or discussion. Only start a new thread as a last resort.Especially ones that are not useful to other members. You may think you are saving yourself time by starting a new thread, but instead you are taking time from everyone else by filling the forums with more fluff for people to filter through.
Please don't take this the wrong way. Trust me, other people won't be as polite about it. In fact they can be rude and degrading, but the point is valid. In order for everyone to enjoy xda, we all need to do our part to keep it clean, organized, and useful.
For a full description of xda rules on posting read the stickie titled something like "Stop!!! Thinking about posting? Read this first!!! "

Goodbye. I'm sure your experiences with the Galaxy will be a lot better than what you would of have with the X10. However, it is for certain, once everything is cracked and sorted out, the X10 *will* be considered a great phone compared to others

If it weren't for XDA the X10 would be a pile of crap. Fortunately there are some great people here who have released much of the X10's potential, unlike SE.
Sent from my toilet

shoby said:
If it weren't for XDA the X10 would be a pile of crap. Fortunately there are some great people here who have released much of the X10's potential, unlike SE.
Sent from my toilet
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If it weren't for XDA most of the devices would be crap, talking about my experience with Galaxy Tab and HTC desire
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mj_qat said:
if it weren't for xda most of the devices would be crap, talking about my experience with galaxy tab and htc desire
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+100000000000000000000

agentJBM said:
Did you look at the Arc, or are you turned off on SE in general? Although you wouldn't know it by looking in the xda forums, but SE is supporting the X10 like any other Android. It seems standard in the industry that every Android phone gets ONE major OS upgrade, and other smaller ones along the way. The X10 just happens to have already gotten its update, while Android released two new updates in the meantime, making our new update already dated. Android shouldn't be releasing updates this fast in the future, and we've all (including SE) learned our lesson about getting a phone with a dated OS to start with.
Also, for future knowledge in the Galaxy forums regarding posting etiquette....You should have posted your farewell in the other thread you already started on this subject called "Hi", because this is not a new topic or discussion. Only start a new thread as a last resort.Especially ones that are not useful to other members. You may think you are saving yourself time by starting a new thread, but instead you are taking time from everyone else by filling the forums with more fluff for people to filter through.
Please don't take this the wrong way. Trust me, other people won't be as polite about it. In fact they can be rude and degrading, but the point is valid. In order for everyone to enjoy xda, we all need to do our part to keep it clean, organized, and useful.
For a full description of xda rules on posting read the stickie titled something like "Stop!!! Thinking about posting? Read this first!!! "
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How can u recommend Arc to an X10's unsatisfied user? both are basically the same and SE must be the loser here. X10 is a good phone probably yes but I cannot understand yet what happen to the idiot led light feature still not flashing like on my old nokia N80... Htc g1 was upgraded something from 1.5 to 2.2 passing through revisions and it seem 2.3 is next to be the released.... I'm trying to be realist nothing more. I've an x10 just because there wasn't option to buy another brand but I will never buy Arc even when SE would announce about permanent Os upgrades. If you want me to buy another SE device upgrade X10 first, then when it get outdated I will buy next generation Xperia may be dualcore or later.

xnewser said:
How can u recommend Arc to an X10's unsatisfied user? both are basically the same and SE must be the loser here. X10 is a good phone probably yes but I cannot understand yet what happen to the idiot led light feature still not flashing like on my old nokia N80... Htc g1 was upgraded something from 1.5 to 2.2 passing through revisions and it seem 2.3 is next to be the released.... I'm trying to be realist nothing more. I've an x10 just because there wasn't option to buy another brand but I will never buy Arc even when SE would announce about permanent Os upgrades. If you want me to buy another SE device upgrade X10 first, then when it get outdated I will buy next generation Xperia may be dualcore or later.
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He wasn't an unsatisfied user. He returned his X10 new after asking for advice here on xda. I myself said that while I LOVE my X10a, I wouldn't get one this late in the game unless he gets a new phone every 6 months because of how fast this technology is developing.
Thanks to the OP starting a new thread to say "goodbye", you missed the whole conversation in his other thread titled "Hi" started just a few days ago....
So too bad. This is not another bash SE thread, but good try

Once the bootloader is cracked, you will want an X10

agentJBM said:
He wasn't an unsatisfied user. He returned his X10 new after asking for advice here on xda. I myself said that while I LOVE my X10a, I wouldn't get one this late in the game unless he gets a new phone every 6 months because of how fast this technology is developing.
Thanks to the OP starting a new thread to say "goodbye", you missed the whole conversation in his other thread titled "Hi" started just a few days ago....
So too bad. This is not another bash SE thread, but good try
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It is never too late to talk about SE idiotic politics to get people scared to stay with them... You have suggested Arc and stated about every company is offering same upgrade service, it wasn't true, it was too bad and a mere good try.

xnewser said:
It is never too late to talk about SE idiotic politics to get people scared to stay with them... You have suggested Arc and stated about every company is offering same upgrade service, it wasn't true, it was too bad and a mere good try.
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Name one android that has gotten 2 major OS upgrades.

agentJBM said:
Name one android that has gotten 2 major OS upgrades.
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HTC Desire, launched with 2.1 is now officially on 2.2.1 and is about to get 2.3.

agentJBM said:
Name one android that has gotten 2 major OS upgrades.
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HTC G1 is on 2.2 right now and could get 2.3 soon...
Definitively HTC is the best android partner and next to be offered by my telcom...

if the bootloader gets crackd as we heard famous geohot working on it
http://www.xperiax10.net/2011/03/04/geohot-buys-an-xperia-x10-to-hack/
(4.20)
il buy X10 again

xnewser said:
HTC G1 is on 2.2 right now and could get 2.3 soon...
Definitively HTC is the best android partner and next to be offered by my telcom...
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OK, well it's a first. HTC should be setting this new standard. They have the longest and best relationship with Google. HTC manufacturers phones for them.

I will say good bye to x10 if just know which phone better. Just have to wait for experts to review new arc,neo,pro.
GN Multimedia - X10i

And being picky.. Neither of those phones have yet had the upgrades you mentioned.. So the answer is still 'none'! HTC should be ahead of the curve though.. They've been in this game longer Than anyone else.
Sent from my X10 using XDA and Swype.

Moto Atrix
Smart man! As a consumer, you deserve freedom in the complete context and spirit of open source, even by law are supposedly guaranteed this right in terms of firmware, from ignition (power up the rom, boot load the firmware) to application functionality and presentation, you should be able to do what you will to YOUR phone, being it is an Open source device - primary selling point.
HTC, Motorola and others do this very well, so much better! Atrix has my money with the Tegra 2 dual core, 48gb storage, Gorilla glass, 1080p recording and playback and that awesome netbook to dock the device with running gnome abd from what I understand, virtual box and in effect, OS/X or Windows 7!
Stick your half pie camera and bravia marketing crap in your tight pie holes Sony! If I want a camera, I can get one that is a zillion times better than a phone for a lot less than your Arc, Neo, Pro or Play... haha ****a!
Sony lack vision to grasp open source. They have no place in Android and anyone with half a clue, knows this +1

OFFICIAL – Sony Ericsson opens bootloader for new Xperia range

Title says it all. The Xperia X10 will not be open. See article for more information.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/03/29/official-–-sony-ericsson-opens-bootloader-for-new-xperia-range/

I had to read it with my own eye, even then i thought i was still asleep.
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Official one http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/devel...e-boot-loader-in-the-new-xperia™-smartphones/
I was thinking to myself if I were the CEO of SE the first thing that I would do is opening the bootloader and giving GB to x10. Some companies started to put bootloader follwing the SE path. Now what they are going to do.
ANDROID IS READY TO (FREE)
Also, please note that you may void the warranty of your phone if you unlock the boot loader. See your phone’s warranty statement for details. Additionally, due to the modified phone software, Sony Ericsson’s repair network may not be able to properly test and repair your phone according to our normal procedures. Consequently, if Sony Ericsson does perform a warranty repair, Sony Ericsson may charge you a handling fee for any additional incurred costs due to your modification of the software.
Therefore, you should only unlock the boot loader of your phone if you are an advanced developer with good knowledge of the technology and risks involved. We strongly recommend that standard users NOT unlock the boot loader, as it is not needed. We are proud to deliver great phone experiences through our rigorously tested and official software releases.

Tejstar said:
Title says it all. The Xperia X10 will not be open. See article for more information.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/03/29/official-–-sony-ericsson-opens-bootloader-for-new-xperia-range/
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Thats very good news, even the x10 dont get the unlocked bootloader all this will help our devs to learn more about se and make easier to them the cracking of the bootloader

Guys, sorry to disappoint you, but there are only two possibilities:
1.) the london drug cartel spoiled the drinking water around SE headquarters with a ****load of LSD (accidently?)
2.) Some bastard hacked blogs.sonyericsson.com and spreads ****.
*sry, joking*
Seriously, who is this at SE that turns a whole company's concept upside-down?!
Very good news and the first time I suggest to buy another XPERIA phone!
edit: Did they perhaps recognize that their upcoming phones'll have a hard time around the competition due to hardware specs? I think it makes sense. Their flag ships don't look all that good (if you look at the hardware only!) and the XPERIA Play received some quite bad reviews out there. So to stand out from the crowd, they open the bootloader while every other company starts to lock it up. Only my suggestion.

****, most probably need to buy the Arc Now ;-(
I really like my x10, but more fun with open bootloader
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so now we fans got another target to go and post on sony blogs and pages
OPEN BOOTLOADER!!!!!!!!!
OPEN BOOTLOADER!!!!!!

I thought this is another GB thread (seriously didn't read the title correctly) I put my hand on the KB to type some very bad things.
Then when I'm reading im thinking WTF man this is impossible So the same company that going sue one for cracking a bootloder is going to open the bootloader. is this 2012

kunalgahlot said:
so now we fans got another target to go and post on sony blogs and pages
OPEN BOOTLOADER!!!!!!!!!
OPEN BOOTLOADER!!!!!!
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I would prefer if our devs could crack it before. Would be a lot more satisfying (even if I didn't contribute anything )

very good move from Sony Ericsson, it only shows that they do listen
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Seems like some change in top management and the bad image SE got in Android field that now they want to beat Samsung and HTC!!

akila87 said:
So the same company that going sue one for cracking a bootloder is going to open the bootloader. is this 2012
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This is a really good point, someone should tell sony about this
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akila87 said:
I thought this is another GB thread (seriously didn't read the title correctly) I put my hand on the KB to type some very bad things.
Then when I'm reading im thinking WTF man this is impossible So the same company that going sue one for cracking a bootloder is going to open the bootloader. is this 2012
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Are you trolling? Sony Ericsson isn't suing anyone for trying to unlock the bootloader of the X10.
Are you getting the Sweden-based mobile phone company Sony Ericsson confused with the United States of America-based video game publisher Sony Computer Entertainment America?

akila87 said:
I thought this is another GB thread (seriously didn't read the title correctly) I put my hand on the KB to type some very bad things.
Then when I'm reading im thinking WTF man this is impossible So the same company that going sue one for cracking a bootloder is going to open the bootloader. is this 2012
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The sue case is for playstation not X10
Don't get confused
And if you read the article, they already explained why they can't do the same with X10
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Yeah I know anyway SE is half Sony and I mean the playstation no one never even talked about suing someone for X10

Wow, SE has really made some wonderful decisions! This is more than what any another non-nexus android phone has done. Kinda hard to hate SE after they at 2.3.3 for the x10 and unlocked bootloader option for their next phones. They've pretty much made sure my next phone purchase will be an SE.
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how is it possible...!!!!! now i think it's the time to move to arc.....

What the hell is SE up to lately??? Is the end of the world really coming in 2012 so there like "screw it,just give them what they want" lol.
Bravo SE.....you have really turned things around!
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If you unlock the boot loader and then flash a custom unsigned ROM to your phone, the custom unsigned ROM will not have gone through the thorough tests that we run for each phone and software version that we release. Because of that, the custom unsigned ROM might not work properly on your phone. Certain functions may cease to work, and the performance of the device might not be ideal.
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"... it could ruin your SE user experience by running smooth and offer full functionality on an up-to-date Android version."
edit: HAHAHA sorry, just read the rest of the text:
blogs.sonyericsson.com said:
We are proud to deliver great phone experiences through our rigorously tested and official software releases.
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LMAO --> Although I'm very happy with their latest decisions and thing about buying another SE in future. But that's really funny *sniff*

qwer23 said:
LMAO --> Although I'm very happy with their latest decisions and thing about buying another SE in future. But that's really funny *sniff*
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I personally tried prototype versions of the Arc, and you'd be surprised how smooth SE's Gingerbread is. It feels a lot more polished and complete than the stock Gingerbread.

Sony Ericsson Revising Their Policy on Bootloaders

Before you run and grab your pitchforks, Sony Ericsson isn’t locking down their phones just yet but they are revising their policy on the popular Android buzzword: bootloaders. But first, lets start at the beginning.
Sony Ericsson was one of the first companies that announced they would NOT be locking down the bootloaders in their upcoming devices even going as far as providing links on their website with instructions on how to do so. This was a breath of fresh air seeing how rival mobile companies like Motorola (and even HTC at the time) were going to great lengths to lock down their phones and keep them “secure.” Sony Ericsson also went on to say that their handsets, even when unlocked, would continue to receive regular firmware/software updates from SE whenever they were made available. Under one condition. The device had to be running the stock SE software. Sounded reasonable enough.
Well, it looks like SE may be doing a little backpedaling adding new stipulations to their previous stance. They are now saying that once the bootloader is unlocked, you will NOT be receiving regular firmware updates from SE. While this sounds like a bad move, they actually have a pretty good reason for doing so. SE explained that because they have no way of knowing what software a user will install on their device, it makes it nearly impossible for them to give their customers 100% certainty that an update will be compatible. That actually makes perfect sense. In a world where most companies ignore their customers its refreshing to see a company like Sony Ericsson going to great lengths to please everyone. Even the minority. As an Android modder myself, I know how hard it is for a developer to guarantee ROM compatibility between software versions.
I am aware that we don’t have a recovery ROM in place. There are some reasons why that is the case. One reason for not supporting FOTA updates after the phone has been unlocked is that FOTA is a delta between two know SW releases and as the phone has been unlocked we can’t be sure of the SW release currently on the phone. I will bring this question back to see if we could allow phones that has been unlocked to be updated via "SW update service" which would be a way to get a Sony Ericsson ROM back on the phone, but please note the warranty may still have been voided as the phone.
Currently we don’t support SEUS for phones that has been unlocked. I have initiated discussions if we can support that going forward, but there are several things that needs to be investigated before I can give you an answer (e.g. will it affect customer call centers, repair centers, which SW should be used for unlocked phones, how to identify phone model if other things has been modified, are there security concerns for unlocked phones etc). Will get back to you as soon as I have more information. Sorry that I can’t give a better answer at this time.
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-Sony Ericsson
So what’s going to happen now? Well, if you still want to hack up your phone and unlock that bootloader, you will be at the mercy of ROM developers to keep your phone up to date and hope that Sony Ericsson can release the source code for their stock ROMs once available. Only problem is — no devs, means no support. What is still unclear is if once unlocked, if it will be possible to lock it up again and go back to stock (something Nexus One users know was impossible).
While I certainly can’t knock Sony Ericsson for going this route, rooting a phone has always meant voiding one’s warranty, it will be interesting to see how this affects popular opinion on a company trying so hard to please everyone and make a name for themselves in the already crowded Android market. Good luck to ya, SE!
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Source: Phandroid.com

Lol now this is typical se behaviour ...
So much for improving.

fiscidtox said:
Lol now this is typical se behaviour ...
So much for improving.
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Its an error, not a bad thing they have done on purpose, and according to all the stories i read they are trying to fix it

-PiLoT- said:
Its an error, not a bad thing they have done on purpose, and according to all the stories i read they are trying to fix it
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Ahhh thanks for that.
This story makes it seem otherwise.
Ill have to look at some other info!

To be honest we don't have to care about the bootloader policies now as they do not affect our X10s.
Unless you are considering a new SE device.

The thread title is somewhat misleading. All that SE is saying that they cannot guarantee anything if the phone is unlocked, and that you won't receive FOTA updates. Who cares? You'll still be able to flash those updates to your phone via recovery/flashtools.
Looking at most other manufacturers, the way that SE (and lately HTC again) goes still is by far the best.

Who cares? I daresay anyone using an unlocked bootloader won't be devastated by not having ota upgrades to a stock rom.
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Yes, if you have unlocked your bootloader, you should be smart enough to play with flashtools.

Makes sense from a developers point of view, you cannot possibly account for all possible compatability scenarios. Rather than leave the door open for a multitude of support requests due to unsupported 3rd party software they simply save themselves the grief by not giving those who wish to open up their devices an official upgrade path. Of course that's not to say an upgrade isn't possible and if an end user has the technical knowledge and ability to unlock the bootloader on their device then they should be perfectly capable of upgrading their device via another method. No loss.

Just sounds like another system of control to me.

theskeptic said:
Makes sense from a developers point of view, you cannot possibly account for all possible compatability scenarios. Rather than leave the door open for a multitude of support requests due to unsupported 3rd party software they simply save themselves the grief by not giving those who wish to open up their devices an official upgrade path. Of course that's not to say an upgrade isn't possible and if an end user has the technical knowledge and ability to unlock the bootloader on their device then they should be perfectly capable of upgrading their device via another method. No loss.
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That's right.
I believe that FlashTool by J will have everyone covered. No biggie.
Heck, even on my locked-down X10, I haven't used SEUS for like a looong time.

From what I read, Android and the carriers are the ones pushing for locked bootloader and no root for official updates to allow further control of data plans (throttling) and to stop illegal tethering.

Like anyone cares about this news lol. It's not Apple!

Well, at least it seems we'll have options! I'm not a big fan of HTC designs, but depending on what they release next I might consider it after this:
HTC Officially Stops Locking Bootloaders

Offff topic can some body translate this page and repoast
http://www.netzwelt.de/mobil/news/86923-sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-details-gingerbread-update.html
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rtblittlebrown said:
Offff topic can some body translate this page and repoast
http://www.netzwelt.de/mobil/news/86923-sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-details-gingerbread-update.html
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Nothing new, the news is about the x10 getting facebook integration with the gb update and links to a video that shows "facebook inside xperia" on a arc.
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qwer23 said:
Nothing new, the news is about the x10 getting facebook integration with the gb update and links to a video that shows "facebook inside xperia" on a arc.
Sent from my rooted X10i using awesome custom roms
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Thanks
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Massive Security Vulnerability found in MANY HTC Devices

This solidifies my view that SE and Samsung are the only two mobile companies I can trust. That said, you never know...no one is 100% safe.
Link

toinkzzzz. what a evil company..

ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION Allows an application to access coarse (e.g., Cell-ID, WiFi) location
ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION Allows an application to access fine (e.g., GPS) location
ACCESS_LOCATION_EXTRA_COMMANDS Allows an application to access extra location provider commands
ACCESS_WIFI_STATE Allows applications to access information about Wi-Fi networks
BATTERY_STATS Allows an application to collect battery statistics
DUMP Allows an application to retrieve state dump information from system services.
GET_ACCOUNTS Allows access to the list of accounts in the Accounts Service
GET_PACKAGE_SIZE Allows an application to find out the space used by any package.
GET_TASKS Allows an application to get information about the currently or recently running tasks: a thumbnail representation of the tasks, what activities are running in it, etc.
READ_LOGS Allows an application to read the low-level system log files.
READ_SYNC_SETTINGS Allows applications to read the sync settings
READ_SYNC_STATS Allows applications to read the sync stats
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thats what the hack does .
is any of that worrying ? i dont care if some one finds out my gmail syncs every 15 min or if they now i have recharged my battery 500 times so far? or what cell phone tower or wi-fi im connected to?
like trying to over blow something much? problem yes but not the end of the world

I'm not denying this is bad, but I hardly think se is "trustworthy" with their amazing support track record... Lol
Oh we just put out a phone two months ago and we don't feel like updating it any more, so we won't!

I dont think thats the problem.
I think if HTC can do it somebody else can read out the phone's also.
Like passwords en other information.

There is a service on the phone where if you lose your phone you can remote locate it and wipe it.
I'd say these "apps" have something to do with that.

That's not what this app is for, it's specifically for HTC to get log information, probably for either remote support of their devices or when people send them to service centres. The problem with this is that they have left the whole interface totally open to any person or app that fancies having a look and gathering user data which probably will be sensitive.
Not at least securing it with basic authentication is just plain stupid. Although it would have to be more advanced than a simple user/pass.
Surprised that they haven't been taken to court on data protection issues. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see that coming fairly soon.
All they needed to do, would be to secure this app properly and encrypt the data its logging and they woulld be safe.
Sounds to me like the htc developers were told to implement it and had a very short turnaround to get it into the latest release. Hoping once again for obscurity, which in an open source project is daft!

scoobysnacks said:
I'm not denying this is bad, but I hardly think se is "trustworthy" with their amazing support track record... Lol
Oh we just put out a phone two months ago and we don't feel like updating it any more, so we won't!
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Stop living in 2010...SE are a different company. In fact, they gave GB to the 1.5 year old X10 and they are supporting all new 2011 Xperias. Yes SE made a mistake but people learn from their mistakes and SE did.

kantk20111 said:
Stop living in 2010...SE are a different company. In fact, they gave GB to the 1.5 year old X10 and they are supporting all new 2011 Xperias. Yes SE made a mistake but people learn from their mistakes and SE did.
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Haha we'll see...
I bet x10 mini owners wouldn't agree with you.
They've been doing this same stuff for years.

scoobysnacks said:
Haha we'll see...
I bet x10 mini owners wouldn't agree with you.
They've been doing this same stuff for years.
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That counts as 2010. All the original X10 branded devices and the X8. The new 2011 lineup has been maintained pretty well.

kantk20111 said:
That counts as 2010. All the original X10 branded devices and the X8. The new 2011 lineup has been maintained pretty well.
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So then it is ok for them not to correct that mistake?
Not doing anything about it is supposed to be evidence of changing?
Sorry but I don't get that..

scoobysnacks said:
So then it is ok for them not to correct that mistake?
Not doing anything about it is supposed to be evidence of changing?
Sorry but I don't get that..
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They are...just with the 2011 Xperia range. Why would they update such an 'old' phone? There's no reason to. The X10 they did because it was their flagship, the others were their sideline devices. Do I agree with them for not updating? No. But updating right now is kind of pointless...

kantk20111 said:
They are...just with the 2011 Xperia range. Why would they update such an 'old' phone? There's no reason to. The X10 they did because it was their flagship, the others were their sideline devices. Do I agree with them for not updating? No. But updating right now is kind of pointless...
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Lol
This kind of logic is pretty ridiculous IMO, and only leads to more "well they didn't upgrade the Neo because it isn't the arc", etc..
They should upgrade to keep customers as customers...
There are reasons they are doing pretty horribly, they don't have a very good reputation.

scoobysnacks said:
Lol
This kind of logic is pretty ridiculous IMO, and only leads to more "well they didn't upgrade the Neo because it isn't the arc", etc..
They should upgrade to keep customers as customers...
There are reasons they are doing pretty horribly, they don't have a very good reputation.
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The phones are a year old...even HTC cut off support for the Desire, etc.

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The phones are a year old...even HTC cut off support for the Desire, etc.
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when they released it was already behind on 1.6..
Then they catch up (not even really) and turn around and stop updating..
I don't think se have proven to be trustworthy at all actually.
Like I said, we'll see.
The whole arc housing cracking and se refusing to take any responsibility doesn't show me a changed company either

scoobysnacks said:
when they released it was already behind on 1.6..
Then they catch up (not even really) and turn around and stop updating..
I don't think se have proven to be trustworthy at all actually.
Like I said, we'll see.
The whole arc housing cracking and se refusing to take any responsibility doesn't show me a changed company either
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Since you're a SE hater even if they do take responsibility, you'll just complain again & say things like it's not genuine & they're doing it just to stay afloat... , Any company have its problems & dunno why you just bash SE, Motorola phones are locked down, HTC well this topic and not to mention their desire gb update , Samsung is doing good but even their best phone which is your favorite sg2 had problems like that yellow thing in screen like someone pissed under the lcd hehe so don't just bash SE and X10 for the sake of it

Lol guys.
Iridaki was right lol scoobysnacks now thinks that buying this Sony Ericsson phone was a bad mistake lol
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Since you're a SE hater even if they do take responsibility, you'll just complain again & say things like it's not genuine & they're doing it just to stay afloat... , Any company have its problems & dunno why you just bash SE, Motorola phones are locked down, HTC well this topic and not to mention their desire gb update , Samsung is doing good but even their best phone which is your favorite sg2 had problems like that yellow thing in screen like someone pissed under the lcd hehe so don't just bash SE and X10 for the sake of it
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whatever you want to think, i'm not a hater, i'm just not a fanboy either.
I have owned many brands of phones, but I felt the worst treatment from se.
Just my opinion, you're entitled to you're own as well. No need to get personal..

I do agree on some points with scooby, they have had a long history of sell it and forget it. But, they do seem to finally be realising that having great and stylish devices (even if the hardware has been a little okish instead of groundbreaking recently) isn't enough and they need to keep devices up to date and to engage with their customers.
You can tell they are changing with the single biggest thing they have done recently and supporting the FXP team with the tools to get full functions from their devices.
I know that doesn't help with us who have older devices, but by supporting FXP they are indirectly supporting the "other" 2010 models just in effect outsourcing the upkeep and ongoing development to the community who will support the devices until they are not in such widespread use.

scoobysnacks said:
whatever you want to think, i'm not a hater, i'm just not a fanboy either.
I have owned many brands of phones, but I felt the worst treatment from se.
Just my opinion, you're entitled to you're own as well. No need to get personal..
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why personal? because I said you're a SE hater? you mean you aren't? I don't want to get personal or offend you, I just stated what I observed from reading your posts after you switched from X10, I bet you liked your X10 when you had it but know that you're moved to a better phone no need to use every single opportunity to bash SE & X10, Every time anyone says anything good about X10 you jump in with your "yeah, right, lol" attitude & try to make fun & bash SE & X10, I'm not a fanboy nor do I think it's the best phone out there & you have the right to express your opinion but you're trying hard to convince everyone here that SE & X10 is ****, Well I think most of us don't agree that it's **** & terrible & most of us know about its problems but like the phone & don't feel really good about just pointing out its cons over & over again
as for companies well imo none of them are really trustworthy, they're doing business & do it for money, None of them are charity or anything, so better to just judge them base on what they do & not why they do it