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[Q] Thinking of moving fro captivate to a Desire Z/G2

I'm thinking about selling my Captivate for a Desire Z/G2
cause swype though its awesome is sometimes really annoying to use when I'm on chat or editing documents on the go.... i do lots of typing
convince me....
Pros and Cons of moving from captivate
Pros:
Physical Keyboard
same resolution (800x480)
Native Froyo without screwing with custom ROMs
GPS that works
Cons
3.7" screen
Not a Super-Amoled screen
less powerful SoC

Lol I think your own pros outweigh the cons already. My friend is using a captivate that he had me root it the other day and I gotta say that there's a huge difference in overall feel. When you tweak the g2/vision/dz (whatever you wanna call it) it feels buttery smooth. Even though it already was pretty smooth on stock.
Recently I switched to de-odexed stock which looks and feels like stock but gives me a little boost in speed. I have to say I am a big fan of the developer work that has gone into maximizing this phones potential without totally making it feel like something different than what htc intended. Other than software optimization, the physical feel is pretty solid. Its a bit heavy but the hardware inside makes it well worth it. Not trying to bash other devices but I feel the g2/vision/dz is not only a great device but in some aspects, it sets the bar for todays smartphone.
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My G2 gets much better battery life than my sister-in-law's Vibrant. I average two days of moderately heavy use. She barely ekes out one.
Not sure how the Adreno 205 stacks up to the Hummingbird's GPU, but I never experience lag in Dungeon Defenders.
Build quality is better on the G2 as well.
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dietotherhythm said:
Lol I think your own pros outweigh the cons already. My friend is using a captivate that he had me root it the other day and I gotta say that there's a huge difference in overall feel. When you tweak the g2/vision/dz (whatever you wanna call it) it feels buttery smooth. Even though it already was pretty smooth on stock.
Recently I switched to de-odexed stock which looks and feels like stock but gives me a little boost in speed. I have to say I am a big fan of the developer work that has gone into maximizing this phones potential without totally making it feel like something different than what htc intended. Other than software optimization, the physical feel is pretty solid. Its a bit heavy but the hardware inside makes it well worth it. Not trying to bash other devices but I feel the g2/vision/dz is not only a great device but in some aspects, it sets the bar for todays smartphone.
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how about overclocking and such? i've heard you can do it for the desire?
how is the screen and such? The keyboard is mainly the main reason that i'm kinda looking for this downgrade
thepaddedroom said:
My G2 gets much better battery life than my sister-in-law's Vibrant. I average two days of moderately heavy use. She barely ekes out one.
Not sure how the Adreno 205 stacks up to the Hummingbird's GPU, but I never experience lag in Dungeon Defenders.
Build quality is better on the G2 as well.
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is the SoC inside the HTC desire z/G2 the same as in the Desire HD?
thanks all

well most every device has overclock development but the g2/dz has the highest overclock capability yeet.
It's stock 800mhz but it's a second generation processor which blows away all the first gen 1ghz before it. I have the 1.8ghz kernel currently so I am capable of that much but only use it when doing heavy work loads or testing stability. I also wrote a guide to flashing the 1.8ghz and 1.9ghz overclocking kernels for people who are new to adb in general. Some users have even been able to hit a solid 2.0ghz, most everything over 1.8ghz is much too unstable for regular use.

Hey,
Just wanted to chime in; my friend has the Vibrant and is constantly complaining about the lack of working gps. It's a function that all Vibrant/Captivate/Fascinate owners bought but is lacking whether it be due to software or hardware. He is flashing a new "improved" rom every 2-3 days trying to find the perfect one that will give him good reception/gps.
With the DZ/Vision/G2, the only real con is the "loose" hinge. IMO, it's not that loose on mine but as with anything, you're mileage may vary. As it was stated before, the DZ/Vision/G2 has the second generation Snapdragon, which is clocked lower than the first generation 1GHz, but is much better in the power-to-performance ratio. I wouldn't be turned off by the 800MHz because once you have root and all that jazz, you can easily overclock to that 1GHz level at the minimum. I am sure once you get to that point, you will blow any Hummingbird equipped phone out of the water.
You really can't beat the physical keyboard either
Regards.

Mr.Pie[OCN] said:
is the SoC inside the HTC desire z/G2 the same as in the Desire HD?
thanks all
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Desire HD has the same Adreno 205 GPU and basically a overclocked version of our CPU. The CPU difference doesnt matter though since you can overclock the Desire Z/G2 easily. At the same cpu frequencies they perform similarly. The Desire HD does have more RAM though.
The only advantages of a Captivate over the Desire Z/G2:
GPU: PowerVR SGX540 is a absolute beast, still the best GPU out there right now imo. Just look at the benchmarks of the Nexus S.
Screen: SAMOLED

I recently sold (or am selling, it's on ebay now) my Vibrant for a G2 and I am very please. Like you I do a lot of typing and there's simply no substitute for a physical keyboard. The G2 is just as snappy as my Vibrant was (rooted with Bionix), but I do notice a slight decrease in graphics quality in games, but probably only noticeable because I used the two phones back to back for a short time. I saw go for it.

G2. The mytouch4g is nice as well. I have both.
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get the G2 man depending on what rom you have (if any) you can get excellent battery life. it took me hours to kill the battery with high brightness settings, music use, web use, and gps on. the physical keyboard is just great for typing a lot and for simple replies you can use swype. overall it's a reliable phone

I'm contemplating on the exact same thing, EXCEPT...
1) I can't justify paying 560-ish for the desire z,
2) G2 is $440, but I will be restricted to 2G since I'm stuck on ATT for various reasons.
I was trying to read around but I couldn't really find exact answers to my queries; maybe some of you might know.
Over 2G, will I still be able to send MMS on the G2? I noticed on my captivate, whenever I send pictures that are 1200 kb, the phone automatically downsizes them to about 88kb or so before sending. Will pictures even send at all on edge?
Without 3G, will it affect aGPS?
Other than that, I never even use my phone for browsing or streaming over 3G. Should I settle for a G2 or just suck it up and pay for a Desire Z?

I'd recommend saving up a little more and spending it on the desire z and/or waiting it out for a good deal. Paying over 20 dollars a month for edge simply isn't worth it.

Hey,
You should look at some of the used markets in your area. I know there are some DZ/G2's for sale around my area (Canada) for about $400CAD. These are naturally locked but you could always sim unlock it yourself for free.

HD2 or G2?

So I realize this is a bit stupid being I'm posting it in the G2 forums so it might be a bit biased and the fact that the G2 is a native android phone and the hd2 isn't. The only thing is, I'm on T-mobile and theres no native 4.3 inch android phone YET. I know the G2 has a better processor in it if i'm not mistaken, but I've been wanting a 4.3 inch phone for awhile. I also noticed that the HD2 has more development behind it in terms of roms compared to the G2 and I was wondering why exactly that was? The only thing I like about the G2 is the better specs and the keyboard. If someone can help steer me in the right direction, i'd appreciate it!
Thanks!

If i'm not mistaken- g2 has cpu of 800mhz against 1000mhz in hd2.
Well, development of hd2 is widely spread because it is winmo based device, which allowed the developers a freedome for developing. There are about 7 OS which loaded through haret(winmo emulator).
I was a user of hd2 and changed it to g2 and i can't say which is better, i like both of them)
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jecustoms said:
If i'm not mistaken- g2 has cpu of 800mhz against 1000mhz in hd2.
Well, development of hd2 is widely spread because it is winmo based device, which allowed the developers a freedome for developing. There are about 7 OS which loaded through haret(winmo emulator).
I was a user of hd2 and changed it to g2 and i can't say which is better, i like both of them)
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Yeah but the gpu in the G2 is better than the hd2. I was just wondering what everyone else thought and others opinions before i make my decision

Its also New generation vs old generation... The G2 Is faster and much more overclockable
Depends what you want to do really The only like OS you will be getting for now on your G2 is android whereas the HD2 can Daul boot WinMo 6. Windows Phone 7. Ubuntu. Android... and someother versions of linux.... I think meego too
jecustoms said:
If i'm not mistaken- g2 has cpu of 800mhz against 1000mhz in hd2.
Well, development of hd2 is widely spread because it is winmo based device, which allowed the developers a freedome for developing. There are about 7 OS which loaded through haret(winmo emulator).
I was a user of hd2 and changed it to g2 and i can't say which is better, i like both of them)
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jecustoms said:
If i'm not mistaken- g2 has cpu of 800mhz against 1000mhz in hd2.
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CPU clock doesn't come close to telling the whole story. The CPU on the Vision is a newer generation of Snapdragon than the one on the HD2. Different fabrication process and newer GPU. Even though the CPU on the Vision is clocked at 800 Mhz, it outbenches all the 1GHz "older" gen Snapdragon phones, such the Nexus One (same proc as the HD2) and EVO 4G, as well as other proc types, like the Galaxy S. I think only the Desire HD (same generation of CPU as the Vision, but at 1 GHz) and newer phones (Atrix, Nexus S) have benched faster than the CPU on the Vision.
The HD2 has been around a long time, almost a year and a half (ancient in smartphone terms). That is another part of the reason why there are more ROMs for the HD2. Also, Windows Mobile is older, and has had more development. WM is also outdated trash. At this point, I would not use my money on a phone whose native OS is so far behind the alternatives. Which brings us to another reason there are so many ROMs on the HD2. With WM as the native OS, its no surprise that people have been scrambling to put almost anything else on the phone besides the stock ROM. But that is a completely biased opinion, as I have no personal experience with the HD2. But I do own a Touch Pro 2, which I used for a year, and needed to have a custom ROM just to be usable. The TP2 has lower specs than the HD2 for sure, but ditching WM nightmare for Android has been unbelievable, and I wouldn't go back if you paid me. Saying the ability to dual boot WM is not a "pro" by any stretch of the imagination, IMO.
The stock ROM on the G2/Desire Z is actually pretty darned good. That's part of the reason why there has not been as much development on the Vision. It just works as is. Also, it seems that developers were holding back a bit, since Gingerbread came out just a couple months after the phone was released. Now that Gingerbread is stable via CM7, developers have been building on that and the ROM development has really started hitting critical mass. Just in the past couple weeks there has been something like 5 (or more) new ROM series hitting the Vision, with more likely on the way.

redpoint73 said:
CPU clock doesn't come close to telling the whole story. The CPU on the Vision is a newer generation of Snapdragon than the one on the HD2. Different fabrication process and newer GPU. Even though the CPU on the Vision is clocked at 800 Mhz, it outbenches all the 1GHz "older" gen Snapdragon phones, such the Nexus One (same proc as the HD2) and EVO 4G, as well as other proc types, like the Galaxy S. I think only the Desire HD (same generation of CPU as the Vision, but at 1 GHz) and newer phones (Atrix, Nexus S) have benched faster than the CPU on the Vision.
The HD2 has been around a long time, almost a year and a half (ancient in smartphone terms). That is another part of the reason why there are more ROMs for the HD2. Also, Windows Mobile is older, and has had more development. WM is also outdated trash. At this point, I would not use my money on a phone whose native OS is so far behind the alternatives. Which brings us to another reason there are so many ROMs on the HD2. With WM as the native OS, its no surprise that people have been scrambling to put almost anything else on the phone besides the stock ROM. But that is a completely biased opinion, as I have no personal experience with the HD2. But I do own a Touch Pro 2, which I used for a year, and needed to have a custom ROM just to be usable. The TP2 has lower specs than the HD2 for sure, but ditching WM nightmare for Android has been unbelievable, and I wouldn't go back if you paid me. Saying the ability to dual boot WM is not a "pro" by any stretch of the imagination, IMO.
The stock ROM on the G2/Desire Z is actually pretty darned good. That's part of the reason why there has not been as much development on the Vision. It just works as is. Also, it seems that developers were holding back a bit, since Gingerbread came out just a couple months after the phone was released. Now that Gingerbread is stable via CM7, developers have been building on that and the ROM development has really started hitting critical mass. Just in the past couple weeks there has been something like 5 (or more) new ROM series hitting the Vision, with more likely on the way.
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but there are some programs on winmo wich do not have analogue on android or ios- what means for some people dual boot is an argumen "for"

I had a HD2 for a while and I've just got a Z. I've enjoyed using both but I definitely rather the Z. Tbh all the development on the HD2 is for a reason. They're all trying to get the most stable Android ROM out. I found usually all of the roms to be very similar in speeds and looks etc.
Even the fastest ROMs I didn't find as fast as my Z and Istill have yet to root it and OC and flash CM7 and the like.
The HD2 does have the ability to boot multiple OS's but if you do that I find it to be even slower as one needs to be booted via the SD card and unless you have a good class 10 card it won't be fast. I also found over time the ROM's on my HD2 were getting more and more sluggish which lead me to keep having to flash roms.
The added bonus of the Z is ofcourse the keyboard.
I don't even notice the difference in screen size. I enjoy the 3.7 more aswell because its more comfortable to hold in hand and you can touch everywhere on the screen without having to reposition your hand.
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every day i find people who switched from hd2 to desire z

jecustoms said:
every day i find people who switched from hd2 to desire z
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The keyboard is just so nice to have after using a touch screen for so long.

I have and regularly use both hd2 and the g2. The g2 is far more powerful cpu and gpu wise plus its more stable since it is an android native device. The HD2 is a great phone too. It has an awesome screen, multiple OS's and much more development (as its a much older device). Its lacks the power of the g2/vision but is still an awesome device.
Its all a matter of price and personal preferance.
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Skellyyy said:
The keyboard is just so nice to have after using a touch screen for so long.
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Indeed
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I have both HD2 and a G2. One difference is the touchscreen is better in the G2, both better multitouch and better responsiveness.

atlp99 said:
I have both HD2 and a G2. One difference is the touchscreen is better in the G2, both better multitouch and better responsiveness.
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+1 more hd2 and g2 user
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If you like the keypad,then g2.

I had the hd2 since july 10 ..in that time frame the phone was replaced a total of 11 times..i had flashed android on it but somethings didnt work..but it was ok running android..it would be great if android came stock on it.as for the g2 i finally got t-mobile to upgrade me for free to the g2..i love it!!it is running stock rom 2.2 and will be getting update to 2.3..very fast and stable..has wifi hotspot,tethering and wifi calling..
Get the g2 .it is so worth it:d

[Q] What phone can make you throw your hd2 away??

So everything is in the title!! Without the money issue of course.. just wondering if i have to change what 's interesting out there?? Please do forget to say why..
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There is no phone that looks good right now.. Sure their Specs are nice but the overall look of them... NO, a nice HTC 4.3in screen that's thin similar to the HD2/7 with dual+ core and more ram then ok... 3D that's useless and makes no sense on phones

hakuchi18v said:
There is no phone that looks good right now.. Sure their Specs are nice but the overall look of them... NO, a nice HTC 4.3in screen that's thin similar to the HD2/7 with dual+ core and more ram then ok... 3D that's useless and makes no sense on phones
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I agree with everything you said here.
My replacement will have to have at least a 4.3 inch screen, dual core, more ram, and no frikkin 3D crap.

There is no way I'm changing my HD2 right now, but if I had to I'd pick the Evo 3D, not because of its specification nor of its supposed 3D. But because of it's design . It's so sexy

hakuchi18v said:
There is no phone that looks good right now.. Sure their Specs are nice but the overall look of them... NO, a nice HTC 4.3in screen that's thin similar to the HD2/7 with dual+ core and more ram then ok... 3D that's useless and makes no sense on phones
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Lol totally agree with you but.. still the atrix looks good.. or even the lg optimus whatever the name is..
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sumthing dual core, but specifically qualcomm snapdragon.. not a big fan of the dual core tegra
reason - QC chips kick ass

chars91 said:
Lol totally agree with you but.. still the atrix looks good.. or even the lg optimus whatever the name is..
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Idk why but the Atrix... Something about it throws me off... The Optimus X2 looks good

I can't leave my hd2...

I could not live without my HD2.
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I will never get rid of my HD2, even after it completely dies one day it will go into my go into my archieves as atestamony to it's greatness lol. But I am looking forward to tbe release of the HTC Pyramid. It is a dual core Snapdragon. Hell yeah!!!

Guys come on! I know we all love our HD2's but if you had the opportunity to switch to a native android device which didn't have any bugs and had the new snapdragon processor you'd definitely change. Also wake up lag is a *****.
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I think this would make me wanna leave my HD2...
http://wwalczyszyn.deviantart.com/art/HTC-quot-Eerie-quot-HD3-159409776

A phone with multi-os

Whilst I love my HD2 I have temporarily traded it for my cousin's captivate. Main reason so as to try out a native android phone.
So from my experience, i can conclude that android on this captivate is so much more smoother/faster than any rom from my HD2. In terms of variety of roms, it sucks, its either stock, themed stock, vanilla, themed vanilla. No variety in their roms really...
But that is where all those 3rd party launchers come in, like launcher 7. ;D
Whilst I do not know which device I want next, I do know it won't be another HTC or a motorola device. Reason being for both motorola and HTC, they've locked down their bootloaders now, so that means no more custom kernels, true root, etc. Also for HTC, snapdragon GPUs just suck, period.
I am keeping a keen eye on the galaxy s 2 however.

Definitely plan on getting the Htc Pyramid. Reasins why, 4.3' native android phone, dual core, 8mp camera, 1.3 front camera. 540x960 qhd resolution.

Kailkti said:
Whilst I do not know which device I want next, I do know it won't be another HTC or a motorola device. Reason being for both motorola and HTC, they've locked down their bootloaders now, so that means no more custom kernels, true root, etc. Also for HTC, snapdragon GPUs just suck, period.
I am keeping a keen eye on the galaxy s 2 however.
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I don't know if i'm mistaken but i think that the devs are working hard on the locked down bootloaders that you mention.. and with a dual core snapdragon the htc pyramid sounds great.. but like you said just keeping an eye on it..
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i think HD2 is the best right now with no comparing,but the time cpu upgraded the heat come more and more without solving,i think HTC should be ware of designing internal component in the future ,most of common problem related to hd2 comes from heat, stuck.freezing and sometimes i have to put mine in freezer to boot, ,

My contract runs out next month and I like to get the latest technology as soon as possible as then the phone retains its value when you want to sell it.
But what will be the next HD2? I love the fact that I can run WP7, Android etc will any phone in the future be so versitile? Probably not.
I'm really not sure whether to just stick with my HD2 or upgrade to the EVO 3D, just a shame it doesnt have a Tegra 2 processor as that would pursade me.

A Tmous HD2 with 1gb rom

@chars
Yes they are working on it. However since HTC just released the source code for the thunderbolt, by which allows devs to truly root the device, maybe HTC isn't following in line with locking bootloaders. If so I will be keeping a keen eye on the pyramid. However since it's an adreno GPU I'm not sure....

[Q] Trading SGS Cappy for HD2; Questions

Heya guys
as title suggests
I'm seriously entertaining the idea of trading my Cappy for an HD2 since it can run so many OS's and tweaking, not to mention a larger screen and slightly more RAM on the T-Mo version of the HD2.
What should I do?
there are obvious pros and cons for this move
Pros:
Bigger screen
More RAM on the T-Mo HD2
More OS's on the HD2---Android, WP7, etc
Cons:
Snapdragon SoC is 1st Gen on the HD2 and is slower than HummingBird SoC
LCD dislpay instead of SAMOLED display
so.....any opinions? I'm really tempted to trade, but I'm already planning to pick up a dual core phone some time Q3-4 next year as a treat for my birthday
cheers

As long as you don't let someone sell you a fualty HD2, you can not go wrong buying a HD2. Yeah the screen is not AMOLED screen. But the size of the scree makes up for that, plus I love the desplay quality. And yes the QualComm Snapdragon in the HD2 is first Gen, but still it is a SNAPDRAGON. They don't say release the dragon within for nothing. The Snapdragon is a awesome processor, don't let all the hipe about other processors fool you. They are all trying to catch the Snapdragon. Once the dual core Snapdragon devices start coming out the other companies will really begin to rush their production of another processor. I Just wonder what a 2ghz dual core Snapdragon could do, just me dreaming though lol.

T-Macgnolia said:
As long as you don't let someone sell you a fualty HD2, you can not go wrong buying a HD2. Yeah the screen is not AMOLED screen. But the size of the scree makes up for that, plus I love the desplay quality. And yes the QualComm Snapdragon in the HD2 is first Gen, but still it is a SNAPDRAGON. They don't say release the dragon within for nothing. The Snapdragon is a awesome processor, don't let all the hipe about other processors fool you. They are all trying to catch the Snapdragon. Once the dual core Snapdragon devices start coming out the other companies will really begin to rush their production of another processor. I Just wonder what a 2ghz dual core Snapdragon could do, just me dreaming though lol.
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Is there an issue with faulty hd2's or something?
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Despite what everyone else is saying about how the processors are different, they really aren't. All are built on the same ARM instruction set, maybe with a little modifications, and some other part, I don't remember, is the same. So what i'm saying, in terms of processing, they really aren't different. In terms of GPU you should know that the sgs beats the HD2, period.
Interestingly i temporarily traded my HD2 for my cousin's cappy. He wanted to try out the HD2 for its multi booting OS goodness, I wanted to try a true android phone. Now I'm going to confidently say the sgs runs android a lot smoother and faster than the HD2, just something you should note if you're looking for performance. However don't think i'm saying the HD2 running android isn't smooth at all, it is, it just won't compare to a true android phone.
However as you said you wanted to try multi booting and tweaking, so the phone will never get you bored in that aspect. You'll be on the site constantly searching for new roms to try out, just for the sake of flashing cuz you're so addicted to flashing.

Kailkti said:
Despite what everyone else is saying about how the processors are different, they really aren't. All are built on the same ARM instruction set, maybe with a little modifications, and some other part, I don't remember, is the same. So what i'm saying, in terms of processing, they really aren't different. In terms of GPU you should know that the sgs beats the HD2, period.
Interestingly i temporarily traded my HD2 for my cousin's cappy. He wanted to try out the HD2 for its multi booting OS goodness, I wanted to try a true android phone. Now I'm going to confidently say the sgs runs android a lot smoother and faster than the HD2, just something you should note if you're looking for performance. However don't think i'm saying the HD2 running android isn't smooth at all, it is, it just won't compare to a true android phone.
However as you said you wanted to try multi booting and tweaking, so the phone will never get you bored in that aspect. You'll be on the site constantly searching for new roms to try out, just for the sake of flashing cuz you're so addicted to flashing.
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Hmmm, thanks a lot for sharing your experience.......
Well I don't really have to "downgrade/sidegrade"
It feels more like an impulse move
I really shouldn't....should I? I'm planning to get a new phone anyway later this year q3-q4
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Oh no don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the HD2 is horrible at running anything. it runs great, just not as good as a true device of the OS, apart form winmo.
Now since you're saying Q3/4 you'll be getting a new phone i say, why not? For me right now, i'm actually bored with the captivate. No offense to captivate users, but it feels like an iPhone right now. Reason being all the roms are so similar, no uniqueness or variety. Now its not the devs fault of course. What can devs do if they don't have an AOSP to work on?
i guess its cuz i'm so addicted to flashing from my hd2.
Anyways the Hd2 will keep you preoccupied until you get a new phone.

Kailkti said:
Oh no don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the HD2 is horrible at running anything. it runs great, just not as good as a true device of the OS, apart form winmo.
Now since you're saying Q3/4 you'll be getting a new phone i say, why not? For me right now, i'm actually bored with the captivate. No offense to captivate users, but it feels like an iPhone right now. Reason being all the roms are so similar, no uniqueness or variety. Now its not the devs fault of course. What can devs do if they don't have an AOSP to work on?
i guess its cuz i'm so addicted to flashing from my hd2.
Anyways the Hd2 will keep you preoccupied until you get a new phone.
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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well
Hows battery life and such?
Thanks!
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Mr.Pie[OCN] said:
Is there an issue with faulty hd2's or something?
Swyped from my captivating device running darky with onix
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No it is not an issue for say with faulty HD2s, \but some [people on Ebay and such are selling HD2s that they have screwed up or someone has screwed up but tell people it is fixable or that there is nothing wrong with the phone when they know it is.
Mr.Pie[OCN] said:
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well
Hows battery life and such?
Thanks!
Swyped from my captivating device running darky with onix
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Rather if I am Running Windows Mobile or a NAND Android ROM my battery will last for around 6 to 7 hours but that is with heavy use, I am a heavy user lol.

T-Macgnolia said:
No it is not an issue for say with faulty HD2s, \but some [people on Ebay and such are selling HD2s that they have screwed up or someone has screwed up but tell people it is fixable or that there is nothing wrong with the phone when they know it is.
Rather if I am Running Windows Mobile or a NAND Android ROM my battery will last for around 6 to 7 hours but that is with heavy use, I am a heavy user lol.
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thanks! I'm planning to pick up a 2.4k mah battery anyway and I usually bring my usb cable around
How hard is it to flash nand android onto the hd2?
cheers!
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It's not hard to flash android/WP7 on the Hd2.

I disagree with the person that said an SGS runs android "more smoothly" than the HD2.
I've got a CM7 ROM on my HD2 and it runs tons more smoothly than the lagtastic stock ROM on the SGS, no doubt. If you flash a DHD port then yeah, ok, it will be slower, but CM7 or even Sense runs faster and better IMO than stock SGS (not that SGS can even run sense). I've never used CM7 on SGS so can't compare that.
Honestly my Android is running fast and seems/feels like a native Android device. WP7 feels/runs like a native WP7 device except multi-touch can be a little tricky (sometimes doesn't register pinch-to-zoom).
I would NOT trade my HD2 for an SGS unless it was the 4G version that I would sell and buy an HD2 on the cheap and keep the extra money for tacos
I personally think it's a smart trade because the HD2 has more to offer and doesn't feel like a cheap piece of plastic, yeah SAMOLED is nice but it's not that much nicer and you get really used to the HD2 screen and get to really enjoy it.
I know the hummingbird soc is better than 1st gen snapdragon, but samsung is so horrible with their code they don't utilize it's power anyways, an iPhone 4 uses the same soc and blows the SGS out of the water with a lower clock speed...

orangekid said:
I disagree with the person that said an SGS runs android "more smoothly" than the HD2.
I've got a CM7 ROM on my HD2 and it runs tons more smoothly than the lagtastic stock ROM on the SGS, no doubt. If you flash a DHD port then yeah, ok, it will be slower, but CM7 or even Sense runs faster and better IMO than stock SGS (not that SGS can even run sense). I've never used CM7 on SGS so can't compare that.
Honestly my Android is running fast and seems/feels like a native Android device. WP7 feels/runs like a native WP7 device except multi-touch can be a little tricky (sometimes doesn't register pinch-to-zoom).
I would NOT trade my HD2 for an SGS unless it was the 4G version that I would sell and buy an HD2 on the cheap and keep the extra money for tacos
I personally think it's a smart trade because the HD2 has more to offer and doesn't feel like a cheap piece of plastic, yeah SAMOLED is nice but it's not that much nicer and you get really used to the HD2 screen and get to really enjoy it.
I know the hummingbird soc is better than 1st gen snapdragon, but samsung is so horrible with their code they don't utilize it's power anyways, an iPhone 4 uses the same soc and blows the SGS out of the water with a lower clock speed...
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CM7 is very buggy for the SGS anyway, that I never bothered to even flash it
thanks for the opinions!

@orange
It seems i forgot to mention on a custom rom. However why are you going to compare a device that is running on software that has not been optimized to the fullest, to one that has, and then conclude one is better? I'm sorry, but isn't that unfair? If you're going to compare, compare on even grounds, one on a custom rom, to the other on a custom rom.
Either way, we all know the sgs is a piece of crap with the stock rom due to its horrible file system. But with lagfixes/tweaks/custom roms, it becomes the diamond it was supposed to be.

[Q] Its upgrade time! Help me decide...

Due for an upgrade - been holding out for the HTC Desire Z as I love my keyboard, but have been offered the HTC Desire S.
I want some feedback in helping me decide...
Do you have a Desire Z? Is it aw awesome as it looks?
If you had the same choice, which would you choose?

Right now, neither.

i am using the desire z as my main phone now and it is a very good phone. the hardware keyboard is working fine and the hinge problem isn't such a problem as everybody says.
But...
if i would buy a new phone now it wouldn't be a desire z or a desire s. i would go for a phone with more power like the SG II. Don't get me wrong, the desire z is a awesome phone, but it lacks at raw power nowadays.
hope it helped

dz is kinda dying... people (talking about me) buy dz and overclock it, becausse its getting kinda slow (relatively to other phones)
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Get something with at least 1.5ghz+ to see something with moderate improvement over the DZ/DS. The era of ~1GHz phones is going to get phased out eventually when the devs are moving on to what is hot.
In Jan 2012 right now, that'd be the HTC/Tmobile Amaze, SGS2, Or the Optimus 4G, but dev support for that is limited.
I wouldn't pick either Desire Z or Desire S unless I knew I was going to get a good resale value. They're both pretty much the same hardware-wise.

Thanks
Thanks guys, but now I am confused.
I need a phone with a qwerty keyboard - are there any other, better, alternatives?

It is all subjective by what you mean is 'better'.
Yeah, there are a few out there:
- Motorola Milesone/Droid 4 : Dual 1.2Ghz, PowerVR SGX540, 1GB RAM
- HTC/Tmobile MyTouch 4g Slide: Dual 1.2Ghz, Adreno 220, 768MB RAM
- Samsung Captivate Glide: Dual 1.0Ghz, Tegra 2, 1GB RAM
Are they better than a Desire Z speedwise? Marginally, I don't think most of us will notice the mhz difference especially if we overclock the DesireZ which most roms do to ~1.0Ghz.
If you need more RAM for what you're doing, then it's definitely better. However if you ask which is better development wise? It's just left to the Desire Z and Mytouch4G now.

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I need a phone with a qwerty keyboard - are there any other, better, alternatives?
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It depends on what you want to use it for.
If it just making phones calls, listening to music, writing e-mail and playing games then the Desire Z will be good enough for you (or alternatively Motorola Milestone 2).
Getting a dual core phone is not essential if you just want to do the above. On this forum, we like our specs. So in our eyes the better the specs, the more impress we are. But if you just want something practical and functional, then the Desire Z will be good enough for you.
As a Desire Z user, I'm happy with my phone and there isn't a phone out there at this point of time that is a worthy successor to it.

LadyUK said:
Thanks guys, but now I am confused.
I need a phone with a qwerty keyboard - are there any other, better, alternatives?
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I agree with the previous poster... I've been using the G2/DZ for a year now and it still runs brilliantly (in part due to the fantastic ROM I'm running, ILWT CM7). I actually just bought the HTC Sensation for a family member. I rooted it and flashed a custom ROM... so I've spent some time with it, and I can say that despite the Sensation's Dual Core 1.2GHz processor, my G2 seemingly runs just as fast and smoothly (my G2 is overclocked just a bit at 1.1GHz). This is to say that I would still recommend this device to someone who was interested in a hard keyboard. It's been the most dependable phone I've owned to date.

I agree with others, had the desire, the desire hd and now i got the z with the weakest cpu. But if you're writing a lot it's very nice, i can write nearly bling with the keyboard meanwhile. I'm using ilwt-rom and it's much faster than the desire hd with sense. But if u got the decision, i'd advice you the galaxy s2 or the galaxy s plus because of amoled and the better batteryperformance. Bought a mugenakku for 30€/45$ and i'm very happy with my phone now. I think i'm gonna use until it won't work anymore. For the dailystuff eg youtube/sms/whatsapp and other stuff it's enough and very fast in my opinion. If you would like to play with your phone you should take the galaxy s2.
All in all it's the perfect phone to me
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The Desire Z is a great phone! I've had mine about a year and while I was tempted inially when the Sensation came out, the lack of a hw keyboard made me think twice.
DZ has a few limitations, though. It has no front camera, which is not a deal breaker for me but would have been nice.
It has 512 MB RAM. If you're planning to root it and run a custom ROM based on Sense 3.0/3.5 I would recommend another phone with at least 768 MB RAM.
Sense is just too memory-heavy for DZ to run it smoothly and fast. Eventually you will have apps that you want to keep running falling out of memory, maybe soft reboots and hang ups all around.
It does run AOSP based ROMs perfectly well, be it CM, MIUI or other.
I love my DZ and will probably keep it at least until fall running some ICS ROM.
If hw keyboard is important to you it's a no-brainer.

The Desire Z is a great QWERTY entry level phone even if it has old specs. I still have it since it came out. It has great support from the Dev community as well