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The future of Custom Roms on the EVO 3D might be slim...

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/19/htc-thunderbolt-rooted-for-real-locked-files-nearly-sour-the-de/
They got the thunderbolt rooted, but every file is locked and signed. ;(

Hrshycro said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/19/htc-thunderbolt-rooted-for-real-locked-files-nearly-sour-the-de/
They got the thunderbolt rooted, but every file is locked and signed. ;(
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I can't believe this I thought HTC would never do this to the community!
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ouch. thats grim.

Honestly, I'd be very surprised if the Evo 3D was locked down like this. I'm willing to bet that Verizon asked them to make it this way, and they complied.
Sprint, on the other hand, hasn't been the type of company to try to keep everything locked down and make it harder for the dev community. Big V definitely has, as exemplified by the Droid X.
Besides, even if it does come out all locked down like that, the devs here will have it opened up within a few days.

that would have been my next question, if V had requested this setup specifically.
it would seem the "other companies" are oh-so-bunched-up re: tethering w/o a plan, being the big issue with custom ROMs. Sprint might not be as concerned (so far) about that, and thus, not concerned about rooted phones? idk... idle speculation

No surprise here. After all, they did cripple their gpus for over 4 years. This is nothing. Htc = garbage.

Hoping that this is just because of douche-baggery on Verizon's part -- that they requested the phone be totally locked down, like the Moto products that they are selling.
On the other hand, the devs only took three days to break all that ****, so perhaps it's a case of "anything you can do, we can do better," and HTC/Verizon's efforts will meet with utter #FAIL.

abduljaffar said:
Htc = garbage.
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compared to what, exactly?

I an confidant I will have super user permissions and custom everything thanks to my geek friends on here.
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kingdazy said:
compared to what, exactly?
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His opinion. Take it as a grain of salt
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TonyArmstrong said:
Hoping that this is just because of douche-baggery on Verizon's part -- that they requested the phone be totally locked down, like the Moto products that they are selling.
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I'm betting that this is the case.

Am I the only one thinking: so what?
So I can't jack sense... That will do nothing to stop me from replacing the files with a CM ROM. Signing the files doesn't prevent the replacing of files...
Swyped from my pants, I'll let you figure out how.

Engadget is usually slow with these updates, they've already gotten around this issue. Thunderbolt is as open as it can get
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...orkmod-recovery-loaded-rom-floodgates-opened/

Justin.G11 said:
Am I the only one thinking: so what?
So I can't jack sense... That will do nothing to stop me from replacing the files with a CM ROM. Signing the files doesn't prevent the replacing of files...
Swyped from my pants, I'll let you figure out how.
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I think it does. I remember back when we were starting to flashing ROMs... well they had to be signed in order to be installed or the recovery program would outright refuse to put it on the phone. I guess the implication on this is that even the recovery image itself must be signed in order to install as well as the ROMs. Now, with the EVO, the recovery part does not care if the ROM zip file is signed or not (well, RA has this setting disabled so it will flash regardless) but there was one point where any file that needed to be flashed on the device needed to be signed.

psych2l said:
Engadget is usually slow with these updates, they've already gotten around this issue. Thunderbolt is as open as it can get
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...orkmod-recovery-loaded-rom-floodgates-opened/
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Yay!!!
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psych2l said:
Engadget is usually slow with these updates, they've already gotten around this issue. Thunderbolt is as open as it can get
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...orkmod-recovery-loaded-rom-floodgates-opened/
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I highly doubt it is even possible for any company to completely lock out android hackers. We have some of the most knowledgeable hackers in our community, some of whom have been around for many many years and have seen there share of OS's
They can slow us down, but they can never stop us.
If they do manage to stop us then I shall move to windows 7 (highly unlikely)

starplaya93 said:
I highly doubt it is even possible for any company to completely lock out android hackers. We have some of the most knowledgeable hackers in our community, some of whom have been around for many many years and have seen there share of OS's
They can slow us down, but they can never stop us.
If they do manage to stop us then I shall move to windows 7 (highly unlikely)
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Yup and we will all get a clone of every chick we would love to smash (also highly unlikely)
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LoveisPeace2012 said:
I can't believe this I thought HTC would never do this to the community!
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id bet cash its Verizon and not HTC doing this

blackroseMD1 said:
Honestly, I'd be very surprised if the Evo 3D was locked down like this. I'm willing to bet that Verizon asked them to make it this way, and they complied.
Sprint, on the other hand, hasn't been the type of company to try to keep everything locked down and make it harder for the dev community. Big V definitely has, as exemplified by the Droid X.
Besides, even if it does come out all locked down like that, the devs here will have it opened up within a few days.
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I bet you're right, verizon is anal about locking their phones down, they are evil people! I hate verizon...

According to some of the comments it is the same old locked bootloader as the evo and incredible. I doubt HTC will try that hard to lock them down.
heck, sometimes I wonder if they give hints about security holes on purpose. Just the other day I saw something in one of the new ROM leaks that gave me some ideas

Bootloaders not actually unlocked

The Droid X, Milestone etc bootloaders were not actually unlocked. It was a hoax. http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-bootloader-still-encrypted-developer-comes-clean
I don't see why so many are willing to put up with this. There are plenty of other good android phones out there. As long as Motorola is going to fight this, there will never be a truly safe way to flash custom roms/kernels on droid phones, and devs simply aren't going to invest the time necessary to develop much.

::: Sigh :::

I've learned an important lesson, don't get hopes up so quickly :'(

snwboard333 said:
I've learned an important lesson, don't get hopes up so quickly :'(
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Motorola is too committed to their bootloaders not being crackable. Just pick another phone for your next one.

disappointing, and we all know now not to ever trust nenolod again. thunderbolt here i come...

I think its horrible that some one thought it was funny that this happened. I know I am a no body to the android community but I for sure did an "unfollow" on twitter today.

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Motorola is too committed to their bootloaders not being crackable. Just pick another phone for your next one.
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That's my thought. I'm due for a new phone here shortly; it certainly won't be a Motorola.

@nenolod purposefully lied to us. http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg614/scaled.php?tn=0&server=614&filename=l8sp.png&xsize=480&ysize=480
This is ridiculous. He cannot be doing this @&#( to us. I have lost all respect for this guy

And the thing is he said it was because people kept bothering him about the stuff. Well I never even heard of this guy until all this came out as im sure the case with most people, so why play this stupid "trick" on all of us?

Again, lets throw all of out locked droid x's at him. He shoukd be banned from android period
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1tonyj said:
That's my thought. I'm due for a new phone here shortly; it certainly won't be a Motorola.
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I would recommend a Galaxy S. The bootloaders are unlocked and it now has a functional CM7 version. Plus, nothing beats the Super AMOLED screen.

Yeah this was pretty lame, got my hopes up, so I just got a dinc for now until I can afford a new phone or get my upgrade.
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I loved my Droid X when I first got it. Rooted it and had leaked Froyo running on it before OTA was available. After that there was not much more I could do with it. Bought a used Captivate on ebay. There are lots of custom ROMs and kernels to choose from. When September rolls around I hope there is a new Samsung phone available. No more Moto's for me.
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Galaxy S phones are very solid, with a few mods, it will fly. Plus the bootloader is unlocked, if u are coming from the x, you will greatly appreciate this. I just picked up a thunderbolt and so far, i love it. Its crazy fast, LTE or not, and having the 256mb of extra ram really makes for a phone that never slows down, no matter what you are doing. My only complaint other than the battery being undersized, as HTC ALWAYS does, is the adreno 205, people with the mytouch or G2 will tell you its good. When voming from a galaxy s the GPU is the only thing that i dont think is better.
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faber78 said:
and the next phone wont be locked.
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Yes, yes it will.

galaxy s gets gingerbread before atrix?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/16/...pdate-now-rolling-out-across-europe/#comments
kinda sad that a phone thats been out for almost a year is getting gingerbread before the atrix. i think its ATT's fault. they seem to delay OS updates, at least they did for the captivate. both rogers and bell got froyo months before att. maybe ATT wants to make sure all the features it wants disabled are in working like wifi hotspot?

True. Im already regretting buying my Atrix, too late to return it though. But also Motorola was asking for beta testers to sign up to test 2.3.

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/16/...pdate-now-rolling-out-across-europe/#comments
kinda sad that a phone thats been out for almost a year is getting gingerbread before the atrix. i think its ATT's fault. they seem to delay OS updates, at least they did for the captivate. both rogers and bell got froyo months before att. maybe ATT wants to make sure all the features it wants disabled are in working like wifi hotspot?
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Looks like this is for unbranded galaxy s phones though. In the US it takes longer cause the carriers are modding the OS to add all their useless bloatware crappola an it's usually the carrier that pushes the updates not the manufacturer. But hopefully with the update to enable hsupa we get a couple of extra goodies.
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Magic_Bunny said:
True. Im already regretting buying my Atrix, too late to return it though. But also Motorola was asking for beta testers to sign up to test 2.3.
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motorola is getting beta testers for gingerbread? did they put up a sign up like for the update or just announce it?

Motor is asking for beta testers? If so...then GB will be released
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Motorola isnt beta testing 2.3

blaque72 said:
Motorola isnt beta testing 2.3
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+1.
I'll believe it when I see it myself!
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it makes sense that the phone that's been out for a year gets it first....
since google released the 2.3 source code, the company has been doing nothing but preparing an update most likely. motorola however, needed to iron out kinks in their initial 2.2 release before they can consider developing a 2.3 OS, and then allowing carriers to modify it to your liking.
obviously you didn't think about what has to be done to come up with a polished 2.3 update before it can be released as an official OTA update. you really can't fault motorola for this not being out yet. it takes a lot of time, testing, and effort to release a finished product.

Raybond, I agree with everything you said, but its hard to cut Motorola any slack for this when the phone should have come with 2.3 in the first place. On top of that they lock the bootloader so we cant get 2.3 working on our own either....

Silent8Strike said:
Raybond, I agree with everything you said, but its hard to cut Motorola any slack for this when the phone should have come with 2.3 in the first place. On top of that they lock the bootloader so we cant get 2.3 working on our own either....
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well, the problem is that they probably started dev for the atrix's OS before 2.3 was released, so it would have been even more work, and probably would have caused delays in their release of the phone if they had shipped it with 2.3
I know locked bootloader is a massive drag for 3rd party dev, but you really can't fault moto for any decisions they've made with this phone other than that.

drock212 said:
Looks like this is for unbranded galaxy s phones though. In the US it takes longer cause the carriers are modding the OS to add all their useless bloatware crappola an it's usually the carrier that pushes the updates not the manufacturer. But hopefully with the update to enable hsupa we get a couple of extra goodies.
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I guess this is the price we pay for having a subsidized drvice. Unfortunately... although we pay double for it in years of service.
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slimslim said:
I guess this is the price we pay for having a subsidized drvice. Unfortunately... although we pay double for it in years of service.
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not really, you are going to be paying a carrier either way just without a contract. the cost of the subsidy doesnt get added to your bill. either this or buy a phone for full price like in europe.
i read that google is going to be releasing ice cream sandwich sometime this summer. maybe motorola is going to skip gingerbread? i wouldnt mind waiting until the end of the year if it means we get 2.4.

neotekz said:
not really, you are going to be paying a carrier either way just without a contract. the cost of the subsidy doesnt get added to your bill. either this or buy a phone for full price like in europe.
i read that google is going to be releasing ice cream sandwich sometime this summer. maybe motorola is going to skip gingerbread? i wouldnt mind waiting until the end of the year if it means we get 2.4.
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You would have to skip over "Gingerbread" AND "Honeycomb" to get to ICS.
That's not gonna happen...

bigb252 said:
+1.
I'll believe it when I see it myself!
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Yes moto does.
I read it on moto official forum.
And you need to fill a form or something before a date...
I would if my phone wasn't unlocked..
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EDIT:
My fault!!!! Sorry guys!!!
I didn't read the whole post from moto forum. At the end of that post there is an edit, that says it was about the 1.5.7 update we already got! My mistake, my fault, sorry
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ccrows said:
You would have to skip over "Gingerbread" AND "Honeycomb" to get to ICS.
That's not gonna happen...
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actually you're not skipping honeycomb....
honeycomb is a totally different series in Android OS, tablet-specific series to be precise (3.0)
So, gingerbread is 2.3, and ICS is 2.4. Also, rumour has it that ICS will have full dual-core support, so it would make logical sense for Moto to not waste any time with 2.3 and go straight for dev in 2.4

ccrows said:
You would have to skip over "Gingerbread" AND "Honeycomb" to get to ICS.
That's not gonna happen...
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ice creme sandwich is a blend features of both gingerbread and honeycomb made specifically for phones. you will not be seeing honeycomb on an android phone backed by google. that one reason google is not releasing honeycomb source yet, they dont want to have honeycomb phones out there.
raybond25 said:
So, gingerbread is 2.3, and ICS is 2.4. Also, rumour has it that ICS will have full dual-core support, so it would make logical sense for Moto to not waste any time with 2.3 and go straight for dev in 2.4
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i thought gingerbread is suppost to be optimized for dual cores too.

Paschalis said:
Yes moto does.
I read it on moto official forum.
And you need to fill a form or something before a date...
I would if my phone wasn't unlocked..
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link please?

neotekz said:
ice creme sandwich is a blend features of both gingerbread and honeycomb made specifically for phones. you will not be seeing honeycomb on an android phone backed by google. that one reason google is not releasing honeycomb source yet, they dont want to have honeycomb phones out there.
i thought gingerbread is suppost to be optimized for dual cores too.
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i believe that it has some modicum of support for dual core, but is not completely optimized for it as 2.4 will be.
that's just my understanding, if someone could provide a link to prove me wrong then i'd freely accept it.

Gingerbread as currently released for SGS has some glitches but guess what Samsung just released the source code! So we should be seeing fixes and tricked out kernels/ROMS/system apps very soon.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12992329&posted=1#post12992329

bigb252 said:
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I'll believe it when I see it myself!
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I saw the signup sheet too. It never hurts to waste a little time each day looking through these forums. I swear I saw a link for it. I looked at it and saw some sign up thingy on Motorola's website.

Who else is of seeing Ginger(everything) on xda for every phone but the fascinate.

Seriously. Everytime I open up my xda app all I see is Ginger this Ginger that..for every phone but ours. Who else is gets annoyed by this? I know it makes me cringe everytime!
Of course no blame goes to our devs who are fantastic. I applaud them for doing what they have done with Sammy's seemingly awful coding (good luck Kaos!) Wish they spent as much time and money on their software as they do on hardware! (which consequently is brilliant!)
End late night rant.
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I know it sucks! But by the sounds of it we might get Froyo tomorrow...Not getting my hopes up. I wish Samsung/VZW would update the fascinate from 2.1 to 2.3.3

I don't mind honestly... Just more of a reason for me to get an iPhone
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I have to ask honestly and flame if you must, when you buy a phone with eclair, should you not assume you will never get anything else? Were you given a contract by verizon or samsung stating if you bought a specific phone, it was guaranteed to be further upgraded?
Just my 2 cents.
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^^^^^^
good day.

Legato525 said:
I have to ask honestly and flame if you must, when you buy a phone with eclair, should you not assume you will never get anything else? Were you given a contract by verizon or samsung stating if you bought a specific phone, it was guaranteed to be further upgraded?
Just my 2 cents.
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Yes we were told we would get the froyo in a couple of months but now almost a year has passed.
It doesn't help the fact that international sgs just got the official gingerbread.
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Complain to Verizon and Samsung if you have an issue. Complaining here isn't going to get anything accomplished.

Nope, it sure isn't. Remember...I am always watching....

Legato525 said:
I have to ask honestly and flame if you must, when you buy a phone with eclair, should you not assume you will never get anything else? Were you given a contract by verizon or samsung stating if you bought a specific phone, it was guaranteed to be further upgraded?
Just my 2 cents.
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I hate this kind of response.
When I buy a phone, upgrades and updates are part of my buying decision. They're probably part of yours too. If there's a phone with a 900mhz processor and locked to 2.1, and an identical phone but with an 800mhz processor that will be supported for years, I will choose the latter. Whether you like it or not, when the operating system updates this quickly, updates are a feature.
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Electrodeath0 said:
I hate this kind of response.
When I buy a phone, upgrades and updates are part of my buying decision. They're probably part of yours too. If there's a phone with a 900mhz processor and locked to 2.1, and an identical phone but with an 800mhz processor that will be supported for years, I will choose the latter. Whether you like it or not, when the operating system updates this quickly, updates are a feature.
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I think the point here is that there never is any promise or guarantee of that support and I'm sorry but a sales person's word is no indication by any means. When we buy our phones we buy them as they are. To gripe about Samsung or Verizon's lack of promptness is ignorant and really annoying after seeing it so much. Normally you can trust the talented developers here to do better work anyway. The best approach is to wait patiently and support them in anyway you can whether it be logcats or donations.
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Legato525 said:
I have to ask honestly and flame if you must, when you buy a phone with eclair, should you not assume you will never get anything else? Were you given a contract by verizon or samsung stating if you bought a specific phone, it was guaranteed to be further upgraded?
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This is my first Android phone (I'd previously been on an old dumb phone made by Samsung, and it'd been reliable the for all the years), and the reps said that Froyo was coming 'soon', and Samsung had already began rolling Froyo out for the Samsung Galaxy S in Europe a few weeks before- I figured it'd be at most a few weeks, not realizing that 'Galaxy S' did not include any of the phones sold in the US!
I was also fooled about the quality of the GPS, when I was first testing it out, I always thought it locked instantly, because I was always around wifi (and Google's Location services have wifi routers geolocated down fairly well). And when I wasn't around WiFi, I saw the big blue circle and assumed that was the GPS just slowly loading, not Verizon's cellular triangulation doing all the work while the GPS was just robbing my battery and doing nothing with it.
At the time, I was hesitant to go with Android. I knew that the devices were generally fairly low quality, while getting slow updates... but the iPhone hadn't been announced on Verizon, and I wanted to do application development, which is massively cheaper to get into on Android than the iPhone ($25 vs $100 + a mac).
Next device will be from a reputable manufacturer, I've learned my lesson.

I know what phone I bought. Thanks for your concern though. Also our phone actually was guaranteed to be further upgraded quite sometime ago.
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I'm not complaining at all, in fact I don't see one word in the OP that looks like a complaint. Just asking a simple question if other people cry a bit inside when they see gingerbread in the "latest" category all the time.. excluding our phone.
As previously stated, for the sake of amazing devs I wish Samsung didn't code things like imbeciles.
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As previously stated, for the sake of amazing devs I wish Samsung didn't code things like imbeciles.
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I don't think there's anyone who would disagree with this. It's honestly disappointing how much more talented the devs seem to be when compared to Samsung's team. Good for the devs but you'd think a multi-billion dollar company could hire some better programmers.
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We are finally getting sources for froyo, and now you are already complaining that we don't have gingerbread???
Sheesh.
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Where is this "guarantee"?
And like many have said before, sales reps, service reps, and tech reps don't count. They are only trying to sell you a phone and a contract, or placate you with the current setup you already have.
Neither Samsung nor Verizon have officially said the Fascinate will be upgraded.

I'm not complaining about not having gingerbread. Like i said earlier its just annoying seeing it all over the place when opening up my XDA premium app.
(please don't respond to this with a childish comment saying "well don't use your XDA app then dohh") we arent 5 y.o. here
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Where is this "guarantee"?
And like many have said before, sales reps, service reps, and tech reps don't count. They are only trying to sell you a phone and a contract, or placate you with the current setup you already have.
Neither Samsung nor Verizon have officially said the Fascinate will be upgraded.
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simple google search proves my point. If you want a direct quote i guess i can search more, but for me this suffices.
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=16730&news=Google+Android+OS+2.2+Samsung+Galaxy+S+Epic+4G+Vibrant+Fascinate+Froyo

zskate311 said:
I'm not complaining about not having gingerbread. Like i said earlier its just annoying seeing it all over the place when opening up my XDA premium app.
(please don't respond to this with a childish comment saying "well don't use your XDA app then dohh") we arent 5 y.o. here
simple google search proves my point. If you want a direct quote i guess i can search more, but for me this suffices.
http://www.brighthand.com/default.a...sung+Galaxy+S+Epic+4G+Vibrant+Fascinate+Froyo
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That article is almost a year old. Therefore it proves nothing other than hurting your argument rather than helping it.
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Electrodeath0 said:
I hate this kind of response.
When I buy a phone, upgrades and updates are part of my buying decision. They're probably part of yours too. If there's a phone with a 900mhz processor and locked to 2.1, and an identical phone but with an 800mhz processor that will be supported for years, I will choose the latter. Whether you like it or not, when the operating system updates this quickly, updates are a feature.
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I agree with you, but my point to the OP is, did anyone tell you the fascinate would get 2.3? I agree that they had a press release when the phone released about 2.2, but I have not heard anyone at samsung say anything about a fascinate getting 2.3. Would it be nice, ya. But does samsung have some moral resposibility to make non critical updates to the phone? No. I will never argue the froyo point, I was speaking in generalities.
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I think you accidentally a word
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times_infinity said:
That article is almost a year old. Therefore it proves nothing other than hurting your argument rather than helping it.
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How does this hurt my point? No matter how old an article is a promise is a promise. And I'm sorry I didn't spend the time to find an article with a more acceptable time table.
Also in regards to gingerbread, Sammy did say that the "entire" galaxy line would be updated to android 2.3
I can find that article as well if you really need it
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Time to start up #NeverAgain

Exhibit 4G comes with 2.3. Vibrant peeps, time to start up #NeverAgain

Yup the time has come once again. Let the war begin. I mean the nagging to Samsung.
Saw krylon360's post on twitter about the exhibit and I was in aww because that phone is a low end phone with gingerbread. Well not to low end.
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Yup. We need to do act now, we're loosing a lot of vibrant peeps here.
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Samsung screws us over and over, and yet people still want to buy the SGSII. Blows my mind. Or maybe T-mobile is the real issue.
Either way I'm in... lets get #neveragain going with samsung and t-mobile.
Someone post the twitter/facebook accounts for samsung and tmo please
thanks!

SamsungVibrant said:
Samsung screws us over and over, and yet people still want to buy the SGSII. Blows my mind. Or maybe T-mobile is the real issue.
Either way I'm in... lets get #neveragain going with samsung and t-mobile.
Someone post the twitter/facebook accounts for samsung and tmo please
thanks!
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Samsung is fine, all US carriers suck. I'm in for the movement

boo.
Guess my PR wife was right that I needed to make "#NeverAgain" mine before I lost it.

Whats "#NeverAgain" ?

s15274n said:
boo.
Guess my PR wife was right that I needed to make "#NeverAgain" mine before I lost it.
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Yeah, she was definitely right.
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I never really stopped #NeverAgain-ing in the first place. We all hope they learned from their mistakes, but were the ones who haven't learned. Sensation here I come!
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I fail to see how they are screwing us over. They release a new phone with the latest Android, as they should. They are updating the Galaxy S line to 2.3, including the Vibrant. Its already an official release in Europe. Some of you think its late, but how many old handsets have been updated to official 2.3 across all brands? Galaxy S/Vibrant will be one of the few.
So can someone explain to me how we are getting shafted? Did Samsung announce that we are not gonna get Gingerbread?

^ you are being to logical
The original #NeverAgain that I got going was under much different circumstances, I agree. It is too soon. Then again, I think manufacturers/providers/Google need to know the demand of the consumer.
Trying to sell new phones (by slow updates), trying to save money (no OTA updates), etc... those are wrong reasons. I hate custom UI's for the reason they are used as excuses for slow/no delays too.

Vibrant owners whine too much. It is a phone, not a lifestyle.

TheSneakerWhore said:
Vibrant owners whine too much. It is a phone, not a lifestyle.
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+1
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Only 4% of android phones had Gingerbread as of a month ago.
Give it some time, it will come. Froyo was deserved, but Gingerbread is a gift.

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no. I just dont appreciate samsung going for the money making route over customer satisfaction. Bush league. Bush
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I don't understand why it's necessary to make this an issue to boycott anyone. Everyone should know fragmentation has been one of the biggest issues on android.
If the argument you're making is valid Samsung should charge more for their phones. Otherwise you should reevaluate your valuation of the phone when you purchase it.
If price you paid = $(vibrant2.2)
And
$(vibrant2.2) < $(vibrant2.2) + $(vibrant2.3 in the future)
Then we all got what we paid for, if not then you should reconsider what you expect from android.

ipetloudog said:
no. I just dont appreciate samsung going for the money making route over customer satisfaction. Bush league. Bush
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But how are they? They've updated us to Froyo like we asked and now the whole Galaxy S line will be updated to Gingerbread. Please show me all the other OEMs devices that have actually seen 2 major updates. Hardly any.
If you people would take a look around you'd not only see that as of late Samsung has been getting better, but almost every other OEM is treating their customers worse.
I can't wait for 2.3 either, but this isn't exactly NeverAgain material... Put down the pitchforks and wipe your tears now please.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't never again mean never again?
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pvspencer22 said:
I don't understand why it's necessary to make this an issue to boycott anyone. Everyone should know fragmentation has been one of the biggest issues on android.
If the argument you're making is valid Samsung should charge more for their phones. Otherwise you should reevaluate your valuation of the phone when you purchase it.
If price you paid = $(vibrant2.2)
And
$(vibrant2.2) < $(vibrant2.2) + $(vibrant2.3 in the future)
Then we all got what we paid for, if not then you should reconsider what you expect from android.
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So how does HTC and motorola able to charge the same as samsung yet provide all the needed updates? The Evo is already getting or gotten 2.3, most of the droids are getting it as well....doesnt sound like a problem with price like you put it, more like a problem with manufacturer, thats why my next handset will be from someone else.
My old crappy MyTouch 3g had froyo months before my Vibrant (which was sold with the promise of froyo in a couple of months or so) every did. BTW the MyTouch did not have froyo promised, hell not even eclair was promised
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20037371-251.html
Now what gets me is that the Nexus S (90% the same phone as the vibrant) has had gingerbread since 2010, we are now getting froyo

kponti said:
So how does HTC and motorola able to charge the same as samsung yet provide all the needed updates? The Evo is already getting or gotten 2.3, most of the droids are getting it as well....doesnt sound like a problem with price like you put it, more like a problem with manufacturer, thats why my next handset will be from someone else.
My old crappy MyTouch 3g had froyo months before my Vibrant (which was sold with the promise of froyo in a couple of months or so) every did. BTW the MyTouch did not have froyo promised, hell not even eclair was promised
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20037371-251.html
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Might be because of the fact that Motorola Droid's are limited to only Verizon and the Evo's are only on Sprint? Samsung has different versions of the Galaxy S across all the carriers.