Related
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
The kite UI project was created to provide Android users with a beautiful homescreen. It's key features is the coherent minimal design, the access to the most daily functions from the home screen and the smooth jump from it to the different applications.
The kite UI is built off of a pretty simple idea:
You have 2-3 views in every app. Flicking left from the middle view will bring you to the right view and vice versa. While you are in the right view, for instance the 'social' view, you can dig deeper by pressing on a friend. If you want to move backwards in this view all you do is flick right. If you are in the left view you move backwards by flicking left.
Simply put, when you're going deeper within a certain view you move further away from the middle. Moving closer to the middle equals moving backwards until ultimately your on the first 'level' of the view.
Video Teaser: Watch in 720p.
Homescreen example
The 3 'boxes' on the bottom of the screen, which show were you are, also acts like the app launcher. However, depending on which page you are currently viewing it brings up different menus. On the homescreen it brings up all apps while it on the social page brings up apps that are directly related to social medias like twitter, facebook, flickr.
Here are some concept promos.
kite User Interface:
locked
home
social
web
Bundled applications:
applications & settings
phone
messaging
music
/////
Latest update first:
*Updated* 2010-12-01 - Video teaser.
Finished the video showcase of the user interface. I'm currently too tired to update the thread or answer PMs and questions on the thread but I will try to get to that on the train to/from school tomorrow.
Video Teaser: Watch in 720p.
Enjoy!
*Updated* 2010-10-20 - Development goes on....
First of all I would like to clarify some things about this project.
Kite UI is not a theme, it is a completely new and unique User Interface. It will be available for Devices with the resolution 480x800 (and up) running Android 2.1 (and up).
We are really appreciative to all the interest that has been shown. However, with all due respect I must say that finding PMs like "can i plz test it" in my inbox is rather annoying.
If you have some serious skills that could be useful in development, feel free to PM me.
Back to the UI then. I recently got a new idea of how the interface should work and I have also altered the views slightly (to the better). This means that some of the pictures in this post is more or less obsolete, even though they still give you a good idea of what it is all about.
I will go into further detail about what is changed in the near future.
Edit:
If this thread is a little scarce on updates don't worry. It is simply because what is currently going on "behind the scenes" is more or less boring dev stuff.
*Updated* 2010-09-28 - Development has started.
Alright, so we have now started the actual developing of the UI. We are however, still in need of a few more coders for this project. Specifically coders with experience within programming on the Android Home API. To apply for the team, simply send me a PM.
As far as testers go we do have a test leader, but we have yet to decide who else is going to be on the testing team.
Audio and additional graphics designers are not needed at the time being, but might be asked to join in the future.
*Updated* 2010-09-26 - Rewritten presentation, list removed from post.
And yes, I got some inspiration from the HTC1 concept but this idea wasn't initiated by it. What was inspired by the HTC1 concept was the implementation of Flickr pics in the friend stream and how the clock and weather was done as one single widget. However I think we all can agree the end result of my clock look almost nothing like the original HTC1.
I stated this a couple of posts ahead but I guess I should've written this in the original post.
*Updated* 2010-09-20 - Teaser Promos.
If you are on the list of devs (language excluded) expect to be notified by PM sometime this week.
*Updated* 2010-09-17 - Ratio Changes, Redone art and New art.
Alright, I got some explaining to do so I'll go right ahead. I was supposed to look into the actuall developing of the UI at the end of August, but unfortunately I didn't. I'm not going to go into detail about why but it was a mix of school and prolonged work which left me with very little spare time to do much else.
Anyway, enough with the excuses. The last couple of days I've been doing some changes to the concept art. For some (stupid) reason I decided to use a resolution of 640x960px when this was first started, however that is now changed to 480x800 (hdpi). When I changed the ratio I also did some minor changes to all views, some was completely redone and some new where added.
This project is however still in concept art stage. Other than the ratio changes and some new views - done the last couple of days - the development has been at a complete standstill.
However this is about to change. Even though I go to college and study pretty much I will from now on focus my spare time on this. The list below has been modified with some new interesting people but to make sure the team doesn't get too big I will try to make it shorter in the following days.
Developers will be picked based on experience and how much time you can spare in a week.
Testers will be chosen based on devices, spare time and when they 'signed up' and if more testers are needed then we will work our way down the list. This means that if you are on the list you are not yet guaranteed to be on the team.
uhm..I very like this idea.....
pm me if you want someone
That weather/clock widget is amazing.
Interesting concept. Wish I had some skills to help you.
Bump! *updated* 2010-07-31
New Screens and more specifik descriptions of the project. I thought I might have been a bit unclear the first time...
I could help with some of the coding. I'm not a android dev god, but i can do some decent coding, and if i don't know how to do it i'll find out
If i can join i'll be ready to work on saturday, because i'm on vacation until then
I like the silky smooth white look you're going for, I love designing UI's as well
This looks epic, I'd be glad to beta test when that time comes. Unfortunately, I have no coding skill at all (I had meant to start learning Java over the summer but I've been lazy), but again, this looks promising, and a great way to keep Android fresh for older phones that won't get official updates to Eclair or FroYo (let along Gingerbread/3.0). Excellent graphic design.
I'm wouldn't be able to build it... but I'd sure be glad to give feedback/test it all
WOW! i really like this it's very nice hopefully it's fast 2
i would rly like to test it if it's in beta fase.
Will test when ready for testing. Sign me up.
Wow looks good. Wish I had coding skills! Would love to test this
Sent from my Hero using XDA App
Sign me up for testing!
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
Liquidice said:
I've recently been working on some simple designs for a Coherent User Interface for Android and I thought I'd start with explaining why I first decided to start with my sketches for this project for a UI.
(Should you not be interested in why - just scroll down to the /// mark and read about/look at the interface as of yet)
The first time I used an Android phone for more than 5 minutes was earlier this summer. The first thing I realised was that I liked the phone itself, which was my brothers htc Hero, but I also liked the feature of SenseUI. The apps being accessible trough widgets 'on the homescreen' rather than trough a list of apps with respective icons (like the iphone) was the key benefit for me.
However something bothered me with the SenseUI. First of I dont like the design of the greyish 'console' on the bottom of the screen and I would much rather have a design that fits the background picture better. I must however say that I respect the customization abilities, but unfortunately the problem with this feature is that it looks like those widgets where put in last minute without any respect for the rest of the UI - it doesn't feel cohesive.
Enough complaining. To the point!
///
I wanted a UI with a simplistic design that makes the beautiful background picture fit perfectly with everything else that I might interact with. I also wanted to keep the benefit of having everything accessible from the homescreen (rather than forcing me to an ugly app list).
So the challenge here was to incorporate the most daily functions with the homescreen and its background picture and make everything look cohesive and thought trough, rather than last minute, while keeping a simplistic yet beautiful design.
I'm calling this project kiteUI to begin with. The UI is much like SenseUI in the way that you swipe back and forth between pages, however the pages are dedicated to the most daily uses in order to maintain that consistant look.
This overview pic shows how the 'pages' relate to eachother
Here are the screenshots with descriptions for the current graphics.
Locked
Home
Web
Search
Social
Apps
Settings
The apps/games/settings list (lvl2) is not necessarily a part of the UI itself. It's rather a replacement for the current standard app list. The important thing about this project is to maintain that coherent look all throught the usual apps, wether it is the UI itself or a complimentary app list or phone app.
However, the switch from the kiteUI to the app list, or any other standard app for that matter, should feel as natural as when swiping back and forth between the pages (lvl1, see overview pic).
///
This is very early on in the project though so there's obviously going to be some major bumps on the road.
1st - I will not use an Android phone 'for real' until the middle of August. Untill then the android emulator will be more than fine.
2nd - My skills are pretty much limited to graphic design and this is why I'm reaching out to coders, programmers, cookers (even beta testers, not yet though) that might find this interesting.
Programmers/Coders - Will take on the challenge of making the UI (or rather the widgets) itself and the new style app list.
Cookers - Will help make the ROM that uses the latest Android version with the kiteUI, app list, and all the reskinned standard apps.
I myself will do the designs for the UI and all the app list but also the reskinning of all the standard apps (and probably more).
I do not think this has to be so radical that we create a program from nothing. As I said I'm no programmer but I do believe that you could base the main kiteUI off of the standard Android interface source code but with obviously different layouts, graphics, animations and actions.
///
Do you find this interesting? Do you want to be a part of this? Do you have any skills that might come in handy?
Then send me a PM or feel free to share your opinions and thoughts below.
Thanks!
*updated* 2010-07-31
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ill cook it in. Pm me a link, and ill work my magic on it. I can theme it, cook it in, and manipulate stuff.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
Awesome concept...
Hope this one is going to make it
Would love to test, too
Che123 said:
Awesome concept...
Hope this one is going to make it
Would love to test, too
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It will make it. If i cook it into jdfroyo, it should make it.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
jdkoreclipse said:
It will make it. If i cook it into jdfroyo, it should make it.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I hope so.
Unfortunally I have seen many nice concepts here, which never were impemented
*updated* 2010-08-02
Thats very true - most concepts, no matter what they concern, never make it to reality. However I'm willing to put alot of effort into this project. As you can see my concept art are pretty much final and already covers the main features.
Whats left other than finalizing the rest of the concept art is saving the "screenies" as resource pngs (or similiar type) and that's the easies part of it all.
For obvious reasons though, I'm not willing to put my whole spare time into this unless I know I've got some help on the other parts of this project. However since I now know that we have a programmer, cooker and some beta testers onboard I'm going to keep going with the 'concept art'. It's good to know that this is going somewhere.
For the time being I must however ask for a little patience. I quit my summer job at the end of this week and from that time on I'm pretty much free every evening.
From now on I'm going to make a list of the people willing to help out on this project in the original thread post and update it as often as possible. As soon as your help is needed you will me PM'd. To 'sign up' express your interest below...
I know i stated this before, bit i am good at cooking roms. I can also do some themeing, and some programming if need be. Pm anytime if need be
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
nice im tester
I have an galaxy spica i5700 samdroid mod 800mhz mdpi 32x480 android 2.1-update1
i you have a working apk plz pm me.
Rewritten to tone down unintended hostility.
I did my best to get used to CM6, and I was sad to find that a lot of people, especially on the IRC channel, were not quite tolerant of my ex-Sense habit, and sadly, I ended up leaving CM6 because of that. It's not just the people on IRC, there are a few reasons why I think Sense is superior, so agree with them or not, here they are
The 9 reasons I use Sense UI; keep in mind this is a comparison between stock AOSP and stock Sense UI. No alterante launchers, mods, widgets, apps, or themes.
1. The Sense clock app just looks far better to me, and is also far more functional. I have not had a good experience with AOSP's clock app at all.
2. I don't like Ubuntu. I never liked the way it looked; it had and always seems to have this "accessibility over design" look to it. When I see AOSP android, that's exactly what I see. Ugly, unrefined Android. Just my opinion, maybe not the best of reasons, but it's just what I've come to find from experimenting with both.
3. The Lockscreen is simply elegant; and I prefer not to have any sort of slider or buttons on my lockscreen. I also do not like the way the font is displayed on the AOSP one. It looks a bit tacky and does not match the rest of Android.
4. The Sense Launcher has something that so far, I can't seem to find from any other launcher; G-Sensor screen switching. No matter what screen I'm on, I just give my phone a quick shake, and I can see them all. AOSP doesn't let you do that, as far as I know. Believe it or not, I prefer this more than hitting the menu button; I do not have to take my thumb off the side of my phone.
5. The AOSP keyboard; in all honesty, it's just too slow and feels very flat. The text prediction gets to be too confusing, and using the space bar only helps until you don't mean to add a period after a word and then typing becomes a chore. I also do not like how I have to hit a seperate key to show all the alternate letters and punctuation. The sense keyboard allows me to simply press and hold to get that lettter.
6. The Sense Widgets: Simply put, I don't WANT to pay 2.99 for BW when I have excellent widgets already available to me. The Clock widget is a must, as is the messaging Widget. Why should I have to pay for Launcher Pro Plus when I already have these (I bought LPP before coming to this realization). Perhaps if TweetDeck ends up introducing a proper widget that can compete with Friendstream, then I can consider switching.
7. The Sense Dialer; When I turn on my phone, and I want to quickly dial a contact, all I have to do is open up the dialer and start spelling the contact's name out through the dialpad keys. Does AOSP's dialer let you do this? Sadly, it does not . Instead, I have to go through the phone app to get to the Contact list, then press search, wait for the search bar to appear, and then start to type out the name on the terrible on screen keyboard, and then click again to get to a contact's page, and then press on the dial button. Again, I know about DIaler One, I have not had good experiences with it, nor am I including it in this comparison.
8. Contact management; One of the things that you can't do with AOSP and have to do in the GMail interface is being able to add contacts into groups other than just Favorites. With Sense, I can have as many groups as I want, which is useful, since I can have widgets of just one group of Contacts. It also helps me discern phone numbers from people who I only temporarily need to have, such as Project A, Camping Group B, etc etc.
9. The Calender app: The Sense Calender sorts my different details about a calender date into little sections, the AOSP one just bunches all the details up together, making it far more annoying to discern different things.
All in all, no my phone performs extremely well and runs quite fast (Zen-Rom Alpha 5) and gets terrific battery life. I can even use JIT on it, whether or not it really is noticeable. It's elegant, it's clean, professional, and just a joy to use. Sense is to Android as Apple is to Software; refinement and polish.
This is by no means a jab at you CM6 themers and skinners, your work is amazing and gives Stock Android what it needs. I'm just here to share my experiences as to why I use and love Sense, and when we manage to get it ported to Froyo, I will be happy to switch up to 2.2
First off I agree that sense is great. I hated giving up all the widgets like you said. But, I,m a practical person and a phone shortcut on the rosie is redundant, im my opinion, when you have a hardware key that works just fine. Don't get wrong, because if i did NOT have the hardware key, the rosie would be the $h!t. I also find it redundant to have two clocks on the screen. That could have come in handy in Iraq when I had a 9 hr time difference, but now, not so much. AOSP, in short, is more practical to me. There are hundreds of sense base clocks and a lot of them are free. And the ones that aren't can be "acquired" anyway. ADW has some kick a$$ sliders and cm6 has a sense theme that looks just like the mother humper. Really don't get what the deal is but to each his own i guess. Then again, your a senior mem so I'm pretty sure you know more than me.
dean.d said:
First off I agree that sense is great. I hated giving up all the widgets like you said. But, I,m a practical person and a phone shortcut on the rosie is redundant, im my opinion, when you have a hardware key that works just fine. Don't get wrong, because if i did NOT have the hardware key, the rosie would be the $h!t. I also find it redundant to have two clocks on the screen. That could have come in handy in Iraq when I had a 9 hr time difference, but now, not so much. AOSP, in short, is more practical to me. There are hundreds of sense base clocks and a lot of them are free. And the ones that aren't can be "acquired" anyway. ADW has some kick a$$ sliders and cm6 has a sense theme that looks just like the mother humper. Really don't get what the deal is but to each his own i guess. Then again, your a senior mem so I'm pretty sure you know more than me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I certainly agree about the Phone button being redundant. I have already remapped mine, but I find myself not really ever using the middle button anyway, so it doesn't bother me.
Yes, I know, I did the whole "Fancy Widget" routine and found it to be inaccurate compared to the Weather app itself, and was of lower resolution than the regular one.
The problem isn't just coloring the titlebar black and using Fancy Widget, the problem is the rest of the widgets have no equals, and the rest of the apps excepting the HTC IME mod have no equal either. The dialer on AOSP, I maintain, is still utterly terrible and incredibly inefficient.
The one thing i like is the fact that from the contacts i can add the birthday. It is so nice that i can say " ok spell your name first and last. Now your number, and now your birthday. " it just makes it so much more personal. Especially when you drop them a text on the birthday. Yeah for brownie points. Not to mention the MMS that i the reason i stopped using a AOSD rom. I still mantain all the respect in the world to the rom developers just i ,like you, prefer Sence based rom
I don't know about being a wimp for using a sense rom..I just think it is an individuals preference and opinion to what they have on their phones.
I agree the dialer on my phone isn't the greatest,and would love to have it respond faster to my touch,but that is about all I could ask for when it comes to it. As too the contact list.I want nothing to start making suggestions on who I wish to call for me. I can and much prefer to choose someone directly from it,and it is no different when using any sense rom.
The typewriter is flat..nothing that a sense rom can do to ever change that fact. If you want a true tactical feel then get a physical keyboard.. I do agree with you on this though..it isn't the most responsive keyboard I have ever used,but the stock sense keyboard to me is worse and laid out wrong from the start. I'll be glad when the swype keyboard is more readily available..even if it does wind up costing a few dollars.
Widgets..some cost $2.99 many though are free,and do exactly what they are supposed to do.
Again,it is all a personal choice on what a person has on their phone,and what they consider to be utilitarian or beautiful. As I see it,Ubuntu is refined and certainly is a breath of fresh air for those who enjoy having a nice theme on their phone. What can be added and taken away has a certain appeal for many people. My wife loves this look..
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Her needs wants and desires are far different than many others. She also wants her phone different than anyone else so she wants something that is clean..elegant..and yet sophisticated. She can have this with this home screen,and those icons.It isn't cluttered with anything,and is to her liking. To her and many like myself,having animated weather widgets is not needed or wanted,nor is having a boring ass flip clock wanted either.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,just as we all set these phones up to our individual needs,wants,and desires. While having a sense rom is fine and works for many with everything it offers,it isn't the end all, for everyone else. It can be utilized for what ever we load on it regardless wither it is a sense based rom or not.Some here seem to forget that others have no need for all of the what a sense rom offers,and they also forget we all have different taste in decoration and different needs. Some have minimal needs but yet still like to customize their phone to their personal taste.Some here never use their phone for work,but others do,so their needs are much different.
In the end it is just a matter of personal taste,wants,and desires. If you feel a sense rom is the best..well..that is your opinion and certainly are entitled to it. I see being able to choose what we want on our phones as a more important topic than which is better..because this we can do,and not have to settle for what our carriers force upon us.
Mac
I used to be a Die-hard sense fan.. but Now I like simple.. which is a few widgets..etc and nothing more.. and everything within reach of my finger.. 3 screens at the most..etc..
I'm a fan of the sense apps, but I prefer clean and simple on my home screen. So, I use launcher for the simple, clean look it provides and then I just go to my app folder and use the sense apps because the ROM I'm using is a sense-based ROM. It's like the best of both worlds. I can totally understand the OP's point of view and I don't like to pay for apps that do the same thing the sense apps do. So, I have just combined my likes from the two worlds and tried to remove the dislikes. All-in-all, I'm very pleased with the personalization the android platform offers, which I would risk saying is why most of us have the Hero in the first place.
Kudos to open forums and everyone getting to express their own personal opinions. And it's good to see no one flaming the OP for his!
-mb
First I want to say that had it not been for CM6 I would still be using sense, but have had far better performance from this AOSP rom than with another Sense ROM. I use to love sense and would never give up its look and feel. Now if they can get a sense froyo rom that runs as smooth as CM6 I might actually use it. Most are looking for performance and speed. CM6 gives that to us.
The clock app beats the pants off of AOSP's pathetic and frankly, ugly one. Why should I have a pathetic looking clock that can't do half of what Sense's can, when I have all of those features tied into one and it looks professional?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This depends on what you want your clock to do. I agree that the AOSP clock app isn't as visually pleasing, but I don't need a world clock or stopwatch or timer.
I don't like Ubuntu. I never liked the way it looked; it had and always seems to have this "accessibility over design" look to it. When I see AOSP android, that's exactly what I see. Ugly, unrefined Android.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is why there are themes and different launchers, just like you can do with ubuntu.
The lockscreen; forgive me if I'm being too literal here, but I was under the impression that a Lockscreen was made so that no phone interaction would happen accidentally. Why would I even want to risk having a slider that can silence my phone on my lockscreen? And again, the ugliness factor is just appalling. Everything is so big and bubbly.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have actually had more accidental answered calls with the sense lock screen when I pull my phone out of its holster. The stock htc sense lockscreen is the one that is visually appalling
The Sense Launcher has something that so far, I can't seem to find from any other launcher; G-Sensor screen switching. No matter what screen I'm on, I just give my phone a quick shake, and I can see them all. AOSP doesn't let you do that, as far as I know.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
are you to lazy to just press the home button. I think that shaking it is more of a show-off to other people
The AOSP keyboard; in all honesty, it's just too slow and feels very flat. The text prediction gets to be too confusing, and using the space bar only helps until you don't mean to add a period after a word and then typing becomes a chore.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No matter what ROM i run i prefer swiftkey over aosp or htc. I do notice that the aosp does not have as much lag as HTC's
The Sense Widgets: Simply put, I don't WANT to pay 2.99 for BW when I have excellent widgets already available to me. The Clock widget is a must, as is the messaging Widget. Why should I have to pay for Launcher Pro Plus when I already have these (I bought LPP before coming to this realization)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you have it use it. Others don'w want sense and therefor pay for these apps. How much did that $2.99 hurt you?
The Sense Dialer; When I turn on my phone, and I want to quickly dial a contact, all I have to do is open up the dialer and start spelling the contact's name out through the dialpad keys. Does AOSP's dialer let you do this? Ha, one would wish. Instead, I have to go through the phone app to get to the Contact list, then press search, wait for the search bar to appear, and then start to type out the name on the terrible on screen keyboard, and then click again to get to a contact's page, and then press on the dial button.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Dialer One does the same thing. I have a themed one since I didn't like the original look
Contact management; One of the things that you can't do with AOSP and have to do in the GMail interface is being able to add contacts into groups other than just Favorites. With Sense, I can have as many groups as I want, which is useful, since I can have widgets of just one group of Contacts.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There are apps that will let you do thi.
The Calender app: The Sense Calender sorts my different details about a calender date into little sections, the AOSP one just bunches all the details up together, making it far more annoying to discern different things.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I use calwidget which is free and there are also many more than do it to
Yes you have to download some app to do what sense does, but they still take up less space than all the sense crap. Just look at the size of CM6 + google apps and the size is half of the sense roms.
The wonderful thing about having an Android phone is that we can tailor the device to suit our individual tastes and preferences. It's kind of like being an American!
I love Sense UI and miss much of it now that I don't have it but, for me, the trade-off is worth it. I enjoy my phone now in ways I didn't believe would be possible.
For others who don't view Sense UI as creating problems, that's great!
No one will criticize someone for having their phone perform the way they want it to!
spiritcrusher33 said:
I used to be a Die-hard sense fan.. but Now I like simple.. which is a few widgets..etc and nothing more.. and everything within reach of my finger.. 3 screens at the most..etc..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This.
Plus, Sense = slower than molasses. CM6 = faster than a monkey on fire.
So, FOR MY NEEDS, CM6 >>>>>>>>>> Sense.
I use a Sense ROM but I really can't stand the slowness of opening and navigating the HTC contacts, messaging, calendar, clock, and music apps. They move at a snail's pace compared to their AOSP counterparts, which frankly navigate through menus almost instantly. So, I replaced all of these with the AOSP 2.1 versions (except for contacts, which is not really replaceable).
However I agree with the HTC dialer app being the best in terms of functionality.
jwhistler said:
The wonderful thing about having an Android phone is that we can tailor the device to suit our individual tastes and preferences. It's kind of like being an American!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
THIS......
At least until the government mandates we all buy regular cell phones under the disguise of "free cell phones for all"
I don't see how the vanilla lockscreen is uglier than the Sense one at all. Never had a problem with unlocking or silencing the phone while in my pocket either, gotta thank the Menu button unlocking the phone being disabled by default for that..
I am a Sense user up until now. There are no disputde that sense + widgets are nice and available readily from HTC (That's what we paid for). Of course AOSP is different. It's an open source development and offer as plain as possible so that users can freely use any widgets and customize the phone the way they wanted. To me Sense is just a layer on top of the AOSP or another term it's just a Launcher that was written and customized by HTC.
Why am I walking away from the current 2.1 sense?
-It's simple CM6 Froyo 2.2 OS is faster than the current 2.1 OS.
-If I compared Sense 2.1 vs AOSP 2.1, I would pick Sense because the performance is the same but on the plus side is Sense package is readily available.
-If I compared Sense 2.1, AOSP 2.1 vs CM6 Froyo. Froyo is faster by a mile ( I am not talking about benchmark, i am talking about real time performance)
I only switched a way from sense 2.1 since CM6 was available as nightly and there are couple of times turned back to the latest Sense ROM but only to find that it was a disappointment in performance. You just need to be patient and find the right sense like widgets for your CM6 or wait until Sprint release Sense 2.2
Sorry to say this, but this is the most useless thread ever. You just stated an opinion... it doesn't help the board at all lol. But I personally use CM6 RC1 with my Sense theme on it. I use Fancy Widget and Calwidget, and it looks exactly like Sense, but has the complete customizablility of CM6.
unCoRrUpTeD said:
First I want to say that had it not been for CM6 I would still be using sense, but have had far better performance from this AOSP rom than with another Sense ROM. I use to love sense and would never give up its look and feel. Now if they can get a sense froyo rom that runs as smooth as CM6 I might actually use it. Most are looking for performance and speed. CM6 gives that to us.
This depends on what you want your clock to do. I agree that the AOSP clock app isn't as visually pleasing, but I don't need a world clock or stopwatch or timer.
That is why there are themes and different launchers, just like you can do with ubuntu.
I have actually had more accidental answered calls with the sense lock screen when I pull my phone out of its holster. The stock htc sense lockscreen is the one that is visually appalling
are you to lazy to just press the home button. I think that shaking it is more of a show-off to other people
No matter what ROM i run i prefer swiftkey over aosp or htc. I do notice that the aosp does not have as much lag as HTC's
If you have it use it. Others don'w want sense and therefor pay for these apps. How much did that $2.99 hurt you?
Dialer One does the same thing. I have a themed one since I didn't like the original look
There are apps that will let you do thi.
I use calwidget which is free and there are also many more than do it to
Yes you have to download some app to do what sense does, but they still take up less space than all the sense crap. Just look at the size of CM6 + google apps and the size is half of the sense roms.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you for COMPLETELY ignoring the very first part of my post, I appreciate your reading skills.
mrinehart93 said:
Sorry to say this, but this is the most useless thread ever. You just stated an opinion... it doesn't help the board at all lol. But I personally use CM6 RC1 with my Sense theme on it. I use Fancy Widget and Calwidget, and it looks exactly like Sense, but has the complete customizablility of CM6.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh? Is there supposed to be a purpose for each and every thread in the General Section? Fancy Widget is still just a widget, the Clock App and the Weather App from Sense don't come with it. Sense is not just about LOOKING good, it has the apps to back it up
whoiswes said:
This.
Plus, Sense = slower than molasses. CM6 = faster than a monkey on fire.
So, FOR MY NEEDS, CM6 >>>>>>>>>> Sense.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1 very nicely said
theimpaler747 said:
+1 very nicely said
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
On an overclocked/undervolted kernel? Have you ever seen Zen-ROM? My guess is not.
Whats the with hostility in OP's post? lol
I'm running 32659 New Manilla.
How do I get all of the spiffy weather animations on the home screen and the weather tab? (TouchFLO enabled to show on the home screen) Whenever "showers" is displayed, it does the raindrops and window wiper animation, but none of the other ones such as the clouds on a cloudy day.
(First post, about a month long lurker.)
Larbo said:
I'm running 32659 New Manilla.
How do I get all of the spiffy weather animations on the home screen and the weather tab? (TouchFLO enabled to show on the home screen) Whenever "showers" is displayed, it does the raindrops and window wiper animation, but none of the other ones such as the clouds on a cloudy day.
(First post, about a month long lurker.)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Which device are you using? You shouldn't have the raindrops/wiper animation in the Vogue. The Vogue does not have TF3D/Sense (which is what you are referring to). The version of Manila on the Vogue is M2D (or Manila 2D), which is a less graphical version of TF3D.
I thought it was strange as well. I had all of the animations when I flashed Super Hero 2.1 RLS1 to the device. I stopped using it and went back to a 6.5 ROM because it couldn't handle it and would lock up constantly.
Ever since then though I've had the raindrop and wipers animation on the Sense weather tab, and nothing more.
I'll try and get a screenshot some time- just have to wait for a rainy day.
Larbo said:
I thought it was strange as well. I had all of the animations when I flashed Super Hero 2.1 RLS1 to the device. I stopped using it and went back to a 6.5 ROM because it couldn't handle it and would lock up constantly.
Ever since then though I've had the raindrop and wipers animation on the Sense weather tab, and nothing more.
I'll try and get a screenshot some time- just have to wait for a rainy day.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I believe that you are right. I have not used Touch Flo, Manila, or what ever you want to call it in a long time. There was some animation with rain drops & wiper blades but not to the degree of Touch Flo 3D.
jadesse said:
I believe that you are right. I have not used Touch Flo, Manila, or what ever you want to call it in a long time. There was some animation with rain drops & wiper blades but not to the degree of Touch Flo 3D.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In Manila 2D? No way...
egzthunder1 said:
In Manila 2D? No way...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes way.. I also get it when it's rainy. Animation starts with raindrops and then the wipers comes in.
I never thought there was other animations? Would be cool to see what they look like..
egzthunder1 said:
In Manila 2D? No way...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Jeeeeeeeeezzzzzz,
If your going to be a news writer check your facts before you make statements.
EG your a smart guy and I normally respect your posts, flash your own ROM and set up M2D when it rains............raindrops and wipers......really......it's the only weather animation in M2D but yes it's there, and actually just as cool as the latest Android Sense version.
I know your guys (Lmiller etc) liked to troll the NFSFAN thread and talk about it's irrelevance, but NFSFAN, VIN, and WDM worked hard to perfect manila, including porting different parts of it directly from sense / 3d. This is one reason their ROMs though outdated are still relevant. Everything (especially manila) worked and worked well. Now that I have retired my Vogue I have flashed every latest ROM, they all have the base (not working well) manila files, no tweaks, no extras like the new date picker, calendar, sound profiles etc. Flash your last Vogue ROM, then NFS's and use TouchFlo, you'll see what I mean. I gave my Vogue to my son and he was disappointed, he asked what I did to it. I reloaded NFSFAN's ROM for him and now he's happy showing the phone off and impressing his Iphone toting friends like I used to do (of course he has my latest JMITR mega black theme on it as well).
Not taking away any of the rest of your work from you, I repect ALL fellow XDA'rs, especially devs BUT you guys never took the time to learn and tweak Touchflo / Manila / sense like the "older" chefs.
jmitr said:
Jeeeeeeeeezzzzzz,
If your going to be a news writer check your facts before you make statements.
EG your a smart guy and I normally respect your posts, flash your own ROM and set up M2D when it rains............raindrops and wipers......really......it's the only weather animation in M2D but yes it's there, and actually just as cool as the latest Android Sense version.
I know your guys (Lmiller etc) liked to troll the NFSFAN thread and talk about it's irrelevance, but NFSFAN, VIN, and WDM worked hard to perfect manila, including porting different parts of it directly from sense / 3d. This is one reason their ROMs though outdated are still relevant. Everything (especially manila) worked and worked well. Now that I have retired my Vogue I have flashed every latest ROM, they all have the base (not working well) manila files, no tweaks, no extras like the new date picker, calendar, sound profiles etc. Flash your last Vogue ROM, then NFS's and use TouchFlo, you'll see what I mean. I gave my Vogue to my son and he was disappointed, he asked what I did to it. I reloaded NFSFAN's ROM for him and now he's happy showing the phone off and impressing his Iphone toting friends like I used to do (of course he has my latest JMITR mega black theme on it as well).
Not taking away any of the rest of your work from you, I repect ALL fellow XDA'rs, especially devs BUT you guys never took the time to learn and tweak Touchflo / Manila / sense like the "older" chefs.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am going to be as politically correct as I possibly can here.
First of all, I do not like to be called off like that. Yes, I am a News Writer and in fact, I am one of the Site's Administrators. My knowledge of Manila (or lack thereof) should be no reason for you to treat me like that. A simple "I believe you are mistaken because x y and z" would have sufficed. I don't give people attitude and I don't appreciate being given attitude either.
As far as your comment about LMiller, myself, and others being around in the NSFAN's thread (thing that I haven't done in close to 3/4 of a year), the only reason why we normally go into that thread is because tons of people still go to that thread for advise from an OP that has left that thread long ago. I respect his work as well as Vin's and WDM's (it is no coincidence that NFS rom is still featured in my tutorial thread. I know that there are numerous other newer roms out there, but his is good and bug free enough for anyone out there). I personally don't troll that thread, but rather help people out whenever I see something that I can answer. I cannot think of a less irrelevant thread in the whole Vogue section. That thread is full of useful info, tweaks, and more...
Why we don't go into manila/sense development? Very simple, I personally don't have the knowledge (LUA, among other languages required) nor the time to sit down and code/develop. In fact, I believe that there are very few people actually working on this thing as it is a dying UI. I don't like being called a chef, cause truth be told, I am not. I made a rom with a kitchen, added as many tweaks and useful packages as I deemed necessary and gave the people the chance to use a device for a carrier that does not have many preconfigured roms for. Plain and simple.
Lastly, if I have not seen the rain animation in M2D is probably because I never had data enabled in my account, so I never did use it. The few times I had my weather updated was by having it connected to USB and I only used it to make sure that the fix was working right, and considering I am in Miami, FL, you would have to understand that "rainy" is not exactly the normal weather down here. The only animation I was aware of was the flip clock... again, a mute point as I hardly ever used the weather tab.
egzthunder1 said:
I am going to be as politically correct as I possibly can here.
First of all, I do not like to be called off like that. Yes, I am a News Writer and in fact, I am one of the Site's Administrators. My knowledge of Manila (or lack thereof) should be no reason for you to treat me like that. A simple "I believe you are mistaken because x y and z" would have sufficed. I don't give people attitude and I don't appreciate being given attitude either.
As far as your comment about LMiller, myself, and others being around in the NSFAN's thread (thing that I haven't done in close to 3/4 of a year), the only reason why we normally go into that thread is because tons of people still go to that thread for advise from an OP that has left that thread long ago. I respect his work as well as Vin's and WDM's (it is no coincidence that NFS rom is still featured in my tutorial thread. I know that there are numerous other newer roms out there, but his is good and bug free enough for anyone out there). I personally don't troll that thread, but rather help people out whenever I see something that I can answer. I cannot think of a less irrelevant thread in the whole Vogue section. That thread is full of useful info, tweaks, and more...
Why we don't go into manila/sense development? Very simple, I personally don't have the knowledge (LUA, among other languages required) nor the time to sit down and code/develop. In fact, I believe that there are very few people actually working on this thing as it is a dying UI. I don't like being called a chef, cause truth be told, I am not. I made a rom with a kitchen, added as many tweaks and useful packages as I deemed necessary and gave the people the chance to use a device for a carrier that does not have many preconfigured roms for. Plain and simple.
Lastly, if I have not seen the rain animation in M2D is probably because I never had data enabled in my account, so I never did use it. The few times I had my weather updated was by having it connected to USB and I only used it to make sure that the fix was working right, and considering I am in Miami, FL, you would have to understand that "rainy" is not exactly the normal weather down here. The only animation I was aware of was the flip clock... again, a mute point as I hardly ever used the weather tab.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No problems,
If I could take back some of my "tone" I would, you've admited to not having the knowledge of others, and even said you don't like being referred to as a chef.
Takes a man to admit he was wrong, you didn't blast off from my response, you admitted your lack of knowledge in some areas and I can't help but to respect that.
Please accept this humble apology for my tone I set in the previous post.
Also, yep you are a chef, I've tested your ROM and I think there's nothing wrong with it if someone just wants to use titanium, you guys picked up development after NFS and the others literally abandoned it and continued. The Vogue would have died a long time ago in terms of Windows development without you guys. I wish someone was as interested in Manila / sense but.....oh well.
Sorry again,
Jason
jmitr said:
No problems,
If I could take back some of my "tone" I would, you've admited to not having the knowledge of others, and even said you don't like being referred to as a chef.
Takes a man to admit he was wrong, you didn't blast off from my response, you admitted your lack of knowledge in some areas and I can't help but to respect that.
Please accept this humble apology for my tone I set in the previous post.
Also, yep you are a chef, I've tested your ROM and I think there's nothing wrong with it if someone just wants to use titanium, you guys picked up development after NFS and the others literally abandoned it and continued. The Vogue would have died a long time ago in terms of Windows development without you guys. I wish someone was as interested in Manila / sense but.....oh well.
Sorry again,
Jason
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for understanding and apology accepted
I should have made some popcorn to enjoy this bit of drama a little better
egzthunder1 said:
Thanks for understanding and apology accepted
I should have made some popcorn to enjoy this bit of drama a little better
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
mmmmmmmmm......... Popcorn!!!!!!!!
jmitr said:
mmmmmmmmm......... Popcorn!!!!!!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
here you go
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I'd say, who's that guy???? but good one!!!!!!!!!!
now that i got a chance to play with wp7 oon the hd2, i find the os boring. i do say thats it is and is not like the old winmo.
not the same because the ui is different.
seems the same because when you open the windows folder, it takes a while to load.
os seems pretty fast but how well does it do with lots of apps being loaded? im not too fond of the tile interface and the straight in line icon/apps. seems that if you have a lot of apps loaded, the single list will just get longer and that just looks dumb.
not looking for fight or argument, just what are your thoughts are with wp7 running on your hd2. i personally wouldnt but a wp7 phone as of now.
i do think the hd2 is awsome because we can run several os's.
Very boring, but that's my opinion
Its very basic because its very young.
M$ have said that they are working on allot more user customization. Stuff like the apps page will obviously be changeable at some point, hopefully in next update, if not its plain retarded.
Im currently dual booting WP7 with Android as I cant see me having it as my daily driver any time soon.
PS. This is a WP7 discussion so it should have gone in the WP7 general forum.
Ya I was not very pleased with M$ for some silly reason picking the horrible tile BS. I mean you want to have something nice looks good hell the whole 6.5.X base 29XXX was stable.
But the biggest thing M$ did was drop the legacy support and dumping CE now they can build it based on their own guideline which they outlined for WM7 spec, kinda like stole the play from Apple.
Would you want something like this?
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
This is WM7 on HD7, who would you take this?
Sorry M$ you did epic fail on building main screen user env. Maybe HTC should have stepped up and provided SenseUI over the tile BS and not make Sense dock though settings.
At the moment?????? Yes...It's very clean and user friendly but it's very boring... i switched to Android before 1 week until something new will come out!
only opinions....
for me this is the FIRST wp7 rom on hd2 and is a lot more functional than the android first ones....
the interface can be boring using it for a long time, ok, the same with apple...but i'm sure HTC and XDA can do a better work on the UI, hoping in MS update too..
i'm still of the opinion that is good for daily use. for me the essentials are phonebook, sms, email (very good), internet (android better for now, waiting for opera)
To me the biggest problem is the limitation of the UI.
Okay, maybe it can be funny the first 20 Minutes you used it, but after that????
I'm a big fan of personalization. and ok let be clear to me changing the color from Green to blue or orange isn't a personalization. I'm just missing Sense, (the big force of HTC)
To be honest except the Hardware look what is the different now between Samsung/HTC/LG/... WP7 versions? Yeah right no different.
I know everyone will saying it's new.... Yeah it is but at the other side, Windows don't tolerate that 3th users changed the UI. So, this means no Sense
Apart the fact it's running fast and stable. Yeah it border you after 20 Min.
kurt-willems said:
I'm a big fan of personalization. and ok let be clear to me changing the color from Green to blue or orange isn't a personalization.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LOL now that made me laugh, as I been saying long before WM7 even came out M$ sure thinks users are retarded or something as they designed this UI for 5years old? Its like they keep digging the hole bigger and bigger while being in it. I mean WTF they post to compete with AOSP and iOS with BS like that?
"I am WM7 look I have 4-5 tiles that moves, keep looking at it as it will move, oops BSOD" lol
Windows 6.5 was 100 times better in my opinion, and that even sucked. Long live android.
i have to disagree with everyone i suppose.
I dont think wp7 (not wm7) boring at all. In fact i think Android is very boring and outdated. I mean wm6.5 and Android just feel from ancient history when compared with wp7. I have wp7 more than a week and certainly not's boring. Its way smoother than Android. But i mean WAY WAY... smoother.
metro
actually it looks awesome on my omnia 7, less so on my hd2 coz of the washed out colours. I think its a great alternative os look. Im looking forward to folders coz the scrolling list of programs is getting to be a pain. love the sharp frill free magazine look which seems very 2011, all those rounded icons and faux shine fade of other ossers remind me of vista. plus its quite a popular look when yours eyes arent as sharp as a 20 something.
I dont bash other os.s. when youre locked into a 2 year contract people get quite attached and defensive of their phones.
I love the feel of wp7 compared to android. For everyday use of texting and calling I prefer it, but for more app intensive stuff I dual boot android. The UI of wp7 just works.
I think for thinkerers like most people here ANY OS that you can not pull down and build up ten times daily will be borring to us. Our phones have become our major toys. Before I moved over to WP7, I was flashing MDJ's Gingerbread every day, modding the battery icons and such stuffs. I can not do most of that with WP7 and it is a bit annoying.
But I think WP7 as it is now is already much more functional for what really matter in a phone, sms, email, contacts, social networking than IOS and android. The mostly text-based interface is clean, fast and readable. I have used all the rest, I think this is the best.
i like it. Actually all my phones and roms i used since wm5 and android i always prefered the closest to stock roms. I dont like funny things, collorful icons or "amazing" backgrounds...i want responsiveness, pratical and easy to use UI. No lags or bugs because i ****ed all the UI with random customizations.
And IMHO the problem with ppl saying its boring its because we dont have too many apps yet (or at least really useful apps) that uses tiles at their maximum potencial. So instead of dynamic icons on home screen you end up "watching" big blue squares or whatever is your color profile. Tiles is like widgets but better. One of the things ppl like android is because of the widgets. Afaik you cant do that on iphone (which is a REALLY boring device).
=]
Can't really complain much knowing well WP7 came out what 2-3 months ago (officially not the betas). Honestly I love it & this is coming from someone who went from an iPhone 2G/3G/3GS to a HD2. Yeah is missing tons of features that both Android/iOS have (background apps, copy/paste/tethering you get the picture). But so far I love it next phone I buy will most likely have WP7 on it
Found it boring at first but once you actually get involved with some of the non stock apps then it gets interesting.
I much prefer the way the UI works to Android although, as others have said, more customisation would be good.
Am now dual booting WP7 with Android (mainly for Wi-Fi tethering) but am using WP7 as my daily OS.
My first thoughts on wp7 were indeed along the lines of it being boring or suchlike, but now I've used it as my main phone for a week or so I'm liking it more and more, and definitely more than I thought I would like it.
On the whole, it works very nicely compared with winmo or android. Admittedly the androind nand installs were TONS better than the SD versions but wp7 just feels clean and uncluttered, and normally I like clutter.
The weirdest thing is that the thing I loved most about winmo (the ability to tinker as much as I wanted) is actually something I'm mostly not missing as this os just does a good job with a few exceptions.
I love that the AD2P or whatever it's called works really well with bluetooth, the wifi doesn't eat the battery alive, and things like that.
What has surprised me most is the fact that while I had zillions of app shortcuts on android & winmo, I currently have 24 tiles. That sounds a lot, but it flicks so easily & smoothly through that it's barely like you have to do anything. That's a mix of apps/contacts/settings/and favourite pages. It's made me realise that most of those countless app shortcuts I used to have just mostly never got used in reality.
BUT, there are things that drive me ****ing nuts with wp7. Maybe they can't be done yet, or maybe they can and I just don't know how...
Font sizes - on emails screen. It's WAY too big. I'm not a dribbling imbecile so I can read a font smaller than 22point or whatever it might be. I want to change it.
Email settings - haven't yet found one for data size/download sizes per message. Sure it must be in there though.
Contacts - you should be able to customise the display of them. The layout is stupid as you get big font for the names but tiny for the numbers. If you're in the car it's impossible to read what the number is against a contact for instance.
Apps - not enough, but we all knew that would be the case.
Tiles - not a big issue but it would kinda be nice if you could vary the size of them and the style a little. I'm not talking full on eye candy but a little extra visual bling wouldn't kill it.
The multitask thing. I want a call recorder and I understand it's impossible because of no multitasking. That's not good enough, and it's annoying to close my music playing while I go do something else.
Sounds a lot but mostly they're minor gripes and it's proving to be way better than I actually remotely thought it would be.
I'm hoping in due course that the uber clever tefal heads and boffins on here will be able to make it look a little prettier and address some minor issues, but it's doing well for such a new player I think.
I know WP7 is very new and look at Apple with the Iphone, no bluetooth, crappy camera etc when it first came out. WP7 for me has richer and more useful applications. I mean, flicking from page to page for BBC Mobile or ITN app is very pleasing and for me, better than Android.
I think what everyone is looking for is more customization. Not just changing colour of the panel but adding your own patterns, background image throughout and not just boring black or white. For me I would love folder options in applications layout and the ability to choose folder graphics or pictures. End call button being more big and bold, better internet explorer, damn is that just pants. I would also love more usability with press and hold user interface as well. Adding another layout than just panes, swipe right for applications but also swipe again for widgets so you can truly customise.
i think now Android has the edge but in time, if Microsoft listens to what people actually want then WP7 will be the phone to have.
I personally love it, but I am a 2 years Xbox live gold member so I am slightly biased in that direction.
Out of all 3 OSes I have used, WP7 has the most consistent UI across all of them, It's minimalistic without being condescending and is very robust out of the box.
Android I needed an alarm clock and alternate music player and Windows Mobile was even worse.
Don't get me wrong though, Gingerbread was awesome and I loved GTX Sense on my WM6.5.
It all comes down to preference really. Windows Mobile for tweakability, Android for updatability and adaptability; and Windows Phone for consistency, gaming and eye candy.
in it's current form is simple and a little bit boring.
I've been using Android for just a week. My first android is Motorola Atrix.
I haven't used any other Android set. So I can't compare which is better. Besides, I've read so many many bad/worst reviews of Motoblur! Why MOTOBLUR Sucks?
It doesn't, but that's my opinion. And trust me, our opinion is the minority. I run stock 2.3.4 rooted with all system apps frozen, but i leave blur as is. It's never bothered me. Love the messaging app, the universal inbox, the connected music player, the built in photo editor, the call log and contact list, and the dialer.
Once you unlock bootloader and root, remove all the preloaded apps, switch your kernel, apply a theme, flash the new radio...it's amazing. Lots of people started out on either Sense [HTC] or vanilla android so for them there's not going back
me, it's the other way around, I started on blur and go to vanilla or sense and I'm like "what? where is this supposed to be?" And I don't see why they hate blur still, the atrix version is so much lighter than the original, the launcher is tiny, the UI is so much more clean..
againareku said:
Once you unlock bootloader and root, remove all the preloaded apps, switch your kernel, apply a theme, flash the new radio...it's amazing. Lots of people started out on either Sense [HTC] or vanilla android so for them there's not going back
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Rooted & will soon unlock the bootloader. I've plan to install CM7 once it gets stable releases. BTW whats the radio thing?
The Blur sucks, coz' it sucks....
Just as the TouchWiz sucks, and the LG interface sucks....
The only UI that works good is the Sense, and its problem that it is heavy like a fat lady! Only if you have a strong device it will not interfere with the normal use, otherwise it will cause lags and so.
I personally prefer vanilla roms on all the above, it is the best and lightest of all. and adding to it the Go Launcher will yield a superfast device with all the goods from all the other UI.
Again this is my personal thoughts, it doesnt necessarily means it right, just that it is what I like
saiftheboss7 said:
Rooted & will soon unlock the bootloader. I've plan to install CM7 once it gets stable releases. BTW whats the radio thing?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Unlock the bootloader first
then you want to do with kernel, I switched from faux to clemsyn because of the lag [but both are great, try both, run your own tests and pick which one works best]
Remember with the kernels pick the enhance 1.0 ghz for att, not the cm7 ones
the radio is in the fruit cake thread, look up the 2.3.5 one and flash it, should help with wifi wake and signal...since you are clean I would go ahead and do the whole 2.3.5 fruit cake
I'm in the minority of opinion, but cm7 doesn't really add anything to the atrix. I use it on the backflip, the cliq xt, but I find it to be less responsive than stock and maybe it's just me but the image quality itself looks better on stock
the good thing is once you are unlocked and have the right recovery installed, switching between all of these is very easy, so whatever you like best shouldn't be hard to go back to
againareku said:
I'm in the minority of opinion, but cm7 doesn't really add anything to the atrix.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
O rly? That's the least informed opinion of CM I have ever heard.
saiftheboss7 said:
I've been using Android for just a week. My first android is Motorola Atrix.
I haven't used any other Android set. So I can't compare which is better. Besides, I've read so many many bad/worst reviews of Motoblur! Why MOTOBLUR Sucks?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Blur used to have a confusing and shockingly sluggish UI. However, with the 2.3 update Motorola completely redid blur and now its much better. Its still a little slower than vanilla, but its actually usable now. A lot of the hate was over the old version and what's left is from sense fanboys or people who hate skins in general.
Not saying there's anything wrong with that, I don't like manufacture skins myself.
Anybody knows how to erase a motoblur account? I don't use it anymore. Thanks.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
There is no right or wrong on this.
Just personal opinion, it is your phone after all you do what you want and set it up that best suites you.
I tend to go along with most of the other posters on this thread. I have used CM7 on HTC's and Samsung's as I really do not like their stock interfaces.
Before buying the Atrix I thought Blur would be the same and on launch it was but we couldn't do a lot about it as we had a locked bootloader.
By the time CM7 was launched we had a few ROM's on Gingerbread and much to my surprise I tend to find myself using Blurred ROM's in preference to CM7. This is by no way knocking CM7 as it is fantastic and the work the Dev's on here have put into it is awesome but for me there are upsides to Blur.
The Social Messaging widget and all in one Messaging are things that I have become reliant on. SocialScope may provide an alternative to Social Messaging but it isn't as yet as well crafted.
Do I have a backed up copy of CM7 on my SD Card ? Of course. I switch regularly but Blurred Aura is my daily driver.
Remember that we are the vast minority of people that have this phone and there are thousands of people out there that running stock happily. That is fine you seem to be bitten by the same bug that others that visit and post here though in wanting to see what the device is capable of. Do that but remember it is your phone and your set up is yours. Doesn't matter what opinion I hold or anybody else.
Yeah one thing is for sure! The old backflip blur was completely horrible but the newer atrix blur really is a hell of a lot better! I think basically everyone has gotta admit that! Blur has definetly improved since its inception! I dealt with the old blur and it sucked bad!!
As far as cm7 or blur?? I use both. I keep a nandroid backup of darkside with a little blur and cm7 and switch between them depending what I have need for at the moment. I like having all options available.
The older MotoBlur that was included on the phone when it first rolled out did suck. Badly. But with the 2.3.4 update Motorola toned Blur down. At least visually. And in my experience the new version doesn't impact the battery as bad as the last one did. It is now easier to use and looks more 'Android'. I was a Blur hater. But now I am good with it.
Apologies to the op for this. I'm not trying to hijack the thread or change focus. But I am positively curious.
And, I know that this is a loaded question, and that I am asking for some serious CM7 user backlash type trouble by posting it... But wth, I'll bite.
WiredPirate said:
O rly? That's the least informed opinion of CM I have ever heard.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What exactly does CM7 add to the Atrix? I mean, really add. Unless they've turned on the fm radio or something...
Just to clarify, I've got Cyanogen on 3 devices. I also used to have it on my Atrix. But with the 2.3.4 update the new MotoBlur Gingerbread style was great enough for me especially with the revamp of Blur that I didn't go back. And so far the only device that has had a new, originally unsupported, feature magically appear because I installed CM7, is my Nook Color. And boy did it ever ADD features!
But my phones... not so much. Mainly kinda lose stuff. But it was so worth it to get rid on that HORRID htc sense ui on the Aria. And in fairness I did get fm radio on my Backflip, so I guess it is two devices that got some added features. Although it did lose the trackpad. So that's kinda even. But my Atrix only lost stuff. Nothing new. So, out of genuine curiosity, what did I miss????
I look forward to reading an answer. It has the potential to make me consider flashing CM7 again, depends on what has been 'added'.
JdgM3NT4L said:
The older MotoBlur that was included on the phone when it first rolled out did suck. Badly. But with the 2.3.4 update Motorola toned Blur down. At least visually. And in my experience the new version doesn't impact the battery as bad as the last one did. It is now easier to use and looks more 'Android'. I was a Blur hater. But now I am good with it.
Apologies to the op for this. I'm not trying to hijack the thread or change focus. But I am positively curious.
And, I know that this is a loaded question, and that I am asking for some serious CM7 user backlash type trouble by posting it... But wth, I'll bite.
What exactly does CM7 add to the Atrix? I mean, really add. Unless they've turned on the fm radio or something...
Just to clarify, I've got Cyanogen on 3 devices. I also used to have it on my Atrix. But with the 2.3.4 update the new MotoBlur Gingerbread style was great enough for me especially with the revamp of Blur that I didn't go back. And so far the only device that has had a new, originally unsupported, feature magically appear because I installed CM7, is my Nook Color. And boy did it ever ADD features!
But my phones... not so much. Mainly kinda lose stuff. But it was so worth it to get rid on that HORRID htc sense ui on the Aria. And in fairness I did get fm radio on my Backflip, so I guess it is two devices that got some added features. Although it did lose the trackpad. So that's kinda even. But my Atrix only lost stuff. Nothing new. So, out of genuine curiosity, what did I miss????
I look forward to reading an answer. It has the potential to make me consider flashing CM7 again, depends on what has been 'added'.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Notification bar switches
Lockscreen option
Audio options
Performance options/enhancements
Comes free of bloatwear
Application permission filtering
Tweaks to UI
Oh and a trackpad (use of fingerprint reader as navigation trackpad on weekly 2&3)
@OP Use another Android device or 2 and you'll see why MOTOBLUR SUCKS!
First its the only software that's an absolute SLOTH. The bloat eats memory and slows down a dual core to single core at times.
Second Motoblur tries to control too much on MY PHONE. Whoyle I have to create a Moroblur account in order to receive software upgrades? Why should I have to enter a password into my phone if I change my SIM?
This will be my one and only Motoblur phone. If Motorola drops the MB BS, then I'm completely on board. If not, pass...
Sent from my GT-I9000 using xda premium
ccrows said:
@OP Use another Android device or 2 and you'll see why MOTOBLUR SUCKS!
First its the only software that's an absolute SLOTH. The bloat eats memory and slows down a dual core to single core at times.
Second Motoblur tries to control too much on MY PHONE. Whoyle I have to create a Moroblur account in order to receive software upgrades? Why should I have to enter a password into my phone if I change my SIM?
This will be my one and only Motoblur phone. If Motorola drops the MB BS, then I'm completely on board. If not, pass...
Sent from my GT-I9000 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You said it yourself, the bloat eats memory
The bloat is put there by AT&T not Motorola. With everything unessential frozen idle I have 500-600 mb free ram
And the motoblur account is for universal inbox, social media intergration, and FREE security features [that you would otherwise pay for $2-$10 a month]
It's as stupid about complaining that you need to sign up for a google account to download apps, use the google nav, or check your gmail
I'm waiting for CM7 stable release! Can't wait to put it on my phone!
btw I like the stock 2.3.4 ROM also!
saiftheboss7 said:
I'm waiting for CM7 stable release! Can't wait to put it on my phone!
btw I like the stock 2.3.4 ROM also!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If your BL is unlocked you can try the weekly from the 23/11, its very stable and has nice features (FP scanner workes for unlock and as trackball).
here is the link:
http://code.google.com/p/atrix-dev-team/downloads/list
Have fun
Well.....Blur does suck harder than a collapsed star...but it has some useful things to it including social media,ofcourse I don't use any of that so I went over to CM7.Blur is just really slow and bloated especially when you don't want to use any of the included apps and stuff,now if you love the features blur brings then by all means stay there then but if you want a stock android experience and want performance at the cost of a few apps here and there try some of the de-blurred roms or maybe cm7 if you want extra goodies
JdgM3NT4L said:
What exactly does CM7 add to the Atrix? I mean, really add. Unless they've turned on the fm radio or something...
Just to clarify, I've got Cyanogen on 3 devices. I also used to have it on my Atrix. But with the 2.3.4 update the new MotoBlur Gingerbread style was great enough for me especially with the revamp of Blur that I didn't go back. And so far the only device that has had a new, originally unsupported, feature magically appear because I installed CM7, is my Nook Color. And boy did it ever ADD features!
But my phones... not so much. Mainly kinda lose stuff. But it was so worth it to get rid on that HORRID htc sense ui on the Aria. And in fairness I did get fm radio on my Backflip, so I guess it is two devices that got some added features. Although it did lose the trackpad. So that's kinda even. But my Atrix only lost stuff. Nothing new. So, out of genuine curiosity, what did I miss????
I look forward to reading an answer. It has the potential to make me consider flashing CM7 again, depends on what has been 'added'.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just a teaser of what CM REALLY ADDS to the Atrix:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
btw I took this screenshot with CM natively by holding down the 'power' button, no third party app needed.
If MOTOBLUR sucked any harder, I'd orgasm.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
againareku said:
You said it yourself, the bloat eats memory
The bloat is put there by AT&T not Motorola. With everything unessential frozen idle I have 500-600 mb free ram
And the motoblur account is for universal inbox, social media intergration, and FREE security features [that you would otherwise pay for $2-$10 a month]
It's as stupid about complaining that you need to sign up for a google account to download apps, use the google nav, or check your gmail
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Funny that I don't have to deal with any of that BS on my SGS. I am the farthest thing from being a Samsung fanboy, and I use both of my phones equally. With that said, it's night and day difference of what goes on with both phones.
BTW I don't have AT&T I have Bell, and there's really not that much carrier bloat from them. The bloat that "was" there I have frozen with TiBu...
Sent from my MB860 using xda premium