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Kite UI - Coherent User interface *Thread update* 2010-12-01

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The kite UI project was created to provide Android users with a beautiful homescreen. It's key features is the coherent minimal design, the access to the most daily functions from the home screen and the smooth jump from it to the different applications.
The kite UI is built off of a pretty simple idea:
You have 2-3 views in every app. Flicking left from the middle view will bring you to the right view and vice versa. While you are in the right view, for instance the 'social' view, you can dig deeper by pressing on a friend. If you want to move backwards in this view all you do is flick right. If you are in the left view you move backwards by flicking left.
Simply put, when you're going deeper within a certain view you move further away from the middle. Moving closer to the middle equals moving backwards until ultimately your on the first 'level' of the view.
Video Teaser: Watch in 720p.
Homescreen example
The 3 'boxes' on the bottom of the screen, which show were you are, also acts like the app launcher. However, depending on which page you are currently viewing it brings up different menus. On the homescreen it brings up all apps while it on the social page brings up apps that are directly related to social medias like twitter, facebook, flickr.
Here are some concept promos.
kite User Interface:
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home
social
web
Bundled applications:
applications & settings
phone
messaging
music
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*Updated* 2010-12-01 - Video teaser.
Finished the video showcase of the user interface. I'm currently too tired to update the thread or answer PMs and questions on the thread but I will try to get to that on the train to/from school tomorrow.
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Enjoy!
*Updated* 2010-10-20 - Development goes on....
First of all I would like to clarify some things about this project.
Kite UI is not a theme, it is a completely new and unique User Interface. It will be available for Devices with the resolution 480x800 (and up) running Android 2.1 (and up).
We are really appreciative to all the interest that has been shown. However, with all due respect I must say that finding PMs like "can i plz test it" in my inbox is rather annoying.
If you have some serious skills that could be useful in development, feel free to PM me.
Back to the UI then. I recently got a new idea of how the interface should work and I have also altered the views slightly (to the better). This means that some of the pictures in this post is more or less obsolete, even though they still give you a good idea of what it is all about.
I will go into further detail about what is changed in the near future.
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If this thread is a little scarce on updates don't worry. It is simply because what is currently going on "behind the scenes" is more or less boring dev stuff.
*Updated* 2010-09-28 - Development has started.
Alright, so we have now started the actual developing of the UI. We are however, still in need of a few more coders for this project. Specifically coders with experience within programming on the Android Home API. To apply for the team, simply send me a PM.
As far as testers go we do have a test leader, but we have yet to decide who else is going to be on the testing team.
Audio and additional graphics designers are not needed at the time being, but might be asked to join in the future.
*Updated* 2010-09-26 - Rewritten presentation, list removed from post.
And yes, I got some inspiration from the HTC1 concept but this idea wasn't initiated by it. What was inspired by the HTC1 concept was the implementation of Flickr pics in the friend stream and how the clock and weather was done as one single widget. However I think we all can agree the end result of my clock look almost nothing like the original HTC1.
I stated this a couple of posts ahead but I guess I should've written this in the original post.
*Updated* 2010-09-20 - Teaser Promos.
If you are on the list of devs (language excluded) expect to be notified by PM sometime this week.
*Updated* 2010-09-17 - Ratio Changes, Redone art and New art.
Alright, I got some explaining to do so I'll go right ahead. I was supposed to look into the actuall developing of the UI at the end of August, but unfortunately I didn't. I'm not going to go into detail about why but it was a mix of school and prolonged work which left me with very little spare time to do much else.
Anyway, enough with the excuses. The last couple of days I've been doing some changes to the concept art. For some (stupid) reason I decided to use a resolution of 640x960px when this was first started, however that is now changed to 480x800 (hdpi). When I changed the ratio I also did some minor changes to all views, some was completely redone and some new where added.
This project is however still in concept art stage. Other than the ratio changes and some new views - done the last couple of days - the development has been at a complete standstill.
However this is about to change. Even though I go to college and study pretty much I will from now on focus my spare time on this. The list below has been modified with some new interesting people but to make sure the team doesn't get too big I will try to make it shorter in the following days.
Developers will be picked based on experience and how much time you can spare in a week.
Testers will be chosen based on devices, spare time and when they 'signed up' and if more testers are needed then we will work our way down the list. This means that if you are on the list you are not yet guaranteed to be on the team.

uhm..I very like this idea.....
pm me if you want someone

That weather/clock widget is amazing.

Interesting concept. Wish I had some skills to help you.

Bump! *updated* 2010-07-31
New Screens and more specifik descriptions of the project. I thought I might have been a bit unclear the first time...

I could help with some of the coding. I'm not a android dev god, but i can do some decent coding, and if i don't know how to do it i'll find out
If i can join i'll be ready to work on saturday, because i'm on vacation until then

I like the silky smooth white look you're going for, I love designing UI's as well

This looks epic, I'd be glad to beta test when that time comes. Unfortunately, I have no coding skill at all (I had meant to start learning Java over the summer but I've been lazy), but again, this looks promising, and a great way to keep Android fresh for older phones that won't get official updates to Eclair or FroYo (let along Gingerbread/3.0). Excellent graphic design.

I'm wouldn't be able to build it... but I'd sure be glad to give feedback/test it all

WOW! i really like this it's very nice hopefully it's fast 2
i would rly like to test it if it's in beta fase.

Will test when ready for testing. Sign me up.

Wow looks good. Wish I had coding skills! Would love to test this
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Sign me up for testing!
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Liquidice said:
I've recently been working on some simple designs for a Coherent User Interface for Android and I thought I'd start with explaining why I first decided to start with my sketches for this project for a UI.
(Should you not be interested in why - just scroll down to the /// mark and read about/look at the interface as of yet)
The first time I used an Android phone for more than 5 minutes was earlier this summer. The first thing I realised was that I liked the phone itself, which was my brothers htc Hero, but I also liked the feature of SenseUI. The apps being accessible trough widgets 'on the homescreen' rather than trough a list of apps with respective icons (like the iphone) was the key benefit for me.
However something bothered me with the SenseUI. First of I dont like the design of the greyish 'console' on the bottom of the screen and I would much rather have a design that fits the background picture better. I must however say that I respect the customization abilities, but unfortunately the problem with this feature is that it looks like those widgets where put in last minute without any respect for the rest of the UI - it doesn't feel cohesive.
Enough complaining. To the point!
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I wanted a UI with a simplistic design that makes the beautiful background picture fit perfectly with everything else that I might interact with. I also wanted to keep the benefit of having everything accessible from the homescreen (rather than forcing me to an ugly app list).
So the challenge here was to incorporate the most daily functions with the homescreen and its background picture and make everything look cohesive and thought trough, rather than last minute, while keeping a simplistic yet beautiful design.
I'm calling this project kiteUI to begin with. The UI is much like SenseUI in the way that you swipe back and forth between pages, however the pages are dedicated to the most daily uses in order to maintain that consistant look.
This overview pic shows how the 'pages' relate to eachother
Here are the screenshots with descriptions for the current graphics.
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Home
Web
Search
Social
Apps
Settings
The apps/games/settings list (lvl2) is not necessarily a part of the UI itself. It's rather a replacement for the current standard app list. The important thing about this project is to maintain that coherent look all throught the usual apps, wether it is the UI itself or a complimentary app list or phone app.
However, the switch from the kiteUI to the app list, or any other standard app for that matter, should feel as natural as when swiping back and forth between the pages (lvl1, see overview pic).
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This is very early on in the project though so there's obviously going to be some major bumps on the road.
1st - I will not use an Android phone 'for real' until the middle of August. Untill then the android emulator will be more than fine.
2nd - My skills are pretty much limited to graphic design and this is why I'm reaching out to coders, programmers, cookers (even beta testers, not yet though) that might find this interesting.
Programmers/Coders - Will take on the challenge of making the UI (or rather the widgets) itself and the new style app list.
Cookers - Will help make the ROM that uses the latest Android version with the kiteUI, app list, and all the reskinned standard apps.
I myself will do the designs for the UI and all the app list but also the reskinning of all the standard apps (and probably more).
I do not think this has to be so radical that we create a program from nothing. As I said I'm no programmer but I do believe that you could base the main kiteUI off of the standard Android interface source code but with obviously different layouts, graphics, animations and actions.
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Do you find this interesting? Do you want to be a part of this? Do you have any skills that might come in handy?
Then send me a PM or feel free to share your opinions and thoughts below.
Thanks!
*updated* 2010-07-31
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Ill cook it in. Pm me a link, and ill work my magic on it. I can theme it, cook it in, and manipulate stuff.
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Awesome concept...
Hope this one is going to make it
Would love to test, too

Che123 said:
Awesome concept...
Hope this one is going to make it
Would love to test, too
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It will make it. If i cook it into jdfroyo, it should make it.
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jdkoreclipse said:
It will make it. If i cook it into jdfroyo, it should make it.
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I hope so.
Unfortunally I have seen many nice concepts here, which never were impemented

*updated* 2010-08-02
Thats very true - most concepts, no matter what they concern, never make it to reality. However I'm willing to put alot of effort into this project. As you can see my concept art are pretty much final and already covers the main features.
Whats left other than finalizing the rest of the concept art is saving the "screenies" as resource pngs (or similiar type) and that's the easies part of it all.
For obvious reasons though, I'm not willing to put my whole spare time into this unless I know I've got some help on the other parts of this project. However since I now know that we have a programmer, cooker and some beta testers onboard I'm going to keep going with the 'concept art'. It's good to know that this is going somewhere.
For the time being I must however ask for a little patience. I quit my summer job at the end of this week and from that time on I'm pretty much free every evening.
From now on I'm going to make a list of the people willing to help out on this project in the original thread post and update it as often as possible. As soon as your help is needed you will me PM'd. To 'sign up' express your interest below...

I know i stated this before, bit i am good at cooking roms. I can also do some themeing, and some programming if need be. Pm anytime if need be
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nice im tester
I have an galaxy spica i5700 samdroid mod 800mhz mdpi 32x480 android 2.1-update1
i you have a working apk plz pm me.

9 Reasons Why I Use Sense UI over AOSP

Rewritten to tone down unintended hostility.
I did my best to get used to CM6, and I was sad to find that a lot of people, especially on the IRC channel, were not quite tolerant of my ex-Sense habit, and sadly, I ended up leaving CM6 because of that. It's not just the people on IRC, there are a few reasons why I think Sense is superior, so agree with them or not, here they are
The 9 reasons I use Sense UI; keep in mind this is a comparison between stock AOSP and stock Sense UI. No alterante launchers, mods, widgets, apps, or themes.
1. The Sense clock app just looks far better to me, and is also far more functional. I have not had a good experience with AOSP's clock app at all.
2. I don't like Ubuntu. I never liked the way it looked; it had and always seems to have this "accessibility over design" look to it. When I see AOSP android, that's exactly what I see. Ugly, unrefined Android. Just my opinion, maybe not the best of reasons, but it's just what I've come to find from experimenting with both.
3. The Lockscreen is simply elegant; and I prefer not to have any sort of slider or buttons on my lockscreen. I also do not like the way the font is displayed on the AOSP one. It looks a bit tacky and does not match the rest of Android.
4. The Sense Launcher has something that so far, I can't seem to find from any other launcher; G-Sensor screen switching. No matter what screen I'm on, I just give my phone a quick shake, and I can see them all. AOSP doesn't let you do that, as far as I know. Believe it or not, I prefer this more than hitting the menu button; I do not have to take my thumb off the side of my phone.
5. The AOSP keyboard; in all honesty, it's just too slow and feels very flat. The text prediction gets to be too confusing, and using the space bar only helps until you don't mean to add a period after a word and then typing becomes a chore. I also do not like how I have to hit a seperate key to show all the alternate letters and punctuation. The sense keyboard allows me to simply press and hold to get that lettter.
6. The Sense Widgets: Simply put, I don't WANT to pay 2.99 for BW when I have excellent widgets already available to me. The Clock widget is a must, as is the messaging Widget. Why should I have to pay for Launcher Pro Plus when I already have these (I bought LPP before coming to this realization). Perhaps if TweetDeck ends up introducing a proper widget that can compete with Friendstream, then I can consider switching.
7. The Sense Dialer; When I turn on my phone, and I want to quickly dial a contact, all I have to do is open up the dialer and start spelling the contact's name out through the dialpad keys. Does AOSP's dialer let you do this? Sadly, it does not . Instead, I have to go through the phone app to get to the Contact list, then press search, wait for the search bar to appear, and then start to type out the name on the terrible on screen keyboard, and then click again to get to a contact's page, and then press on the dial button. Again, I know about DIaler One, I have not had good experiences with it, nor am I including it in this comparison.
8. Contact management; One of the things that you can't do with AOSP and have to do in the GMail interface is being able to add contacts into groups other than just Favorites. With Sense, I can have as many groups as I want, which is useful, since I can have widgets of just one group of Contacts. It also helps me discern phone numbers from people who I only temporarily need to have, such as Project A, Camping Group B, etc etc.
9. The Calender app: The Sense Calender sorts my different details about a calender date into little sections, the AOSP one just bunches all the details up together, making it far more annoying to discern different things.
All in all, no my phone performs extremely well and runs quite fast (Zen-Rom Alpha 5) and gets terrific battery life. I can even use JIT on it, whether or not it really is noticeable. It's elegant, it's clean, professional, and just a joy to use. Sense is to Android as Apple is to Software; refinement and polish.
This is by no means a jab at you CM6 themers and skinners, your work is amazing and gives Stock Android what it needs. I'm just here to share my experiences as to why I use and love Sense, and when we manage to get it ported to Froyo, I will be happy to switch up to 2.2

First off I agree that sense is great. I hated giving up all the widgets like you said. But, I,m a practical person and a phone shortcut on the rosie is redundant, im my opinion, when you have a hardware key that works just fine. Don't get wrong, because if i did NOT have the hardware key, the rosie would be the $h!t. I also find it redundant to have two clocks on the screen. That could have come in handy in Iraq when I had a 9 hr time difference, but now, not so much. AOSP, in short, is more practical to me. There are hundreds of sense base clocks and a lot of them are free. And the ones that aren't can be "acquired" anyway. ADW has some kick a$$ sliders and cm6 has a sense theme that looks just like the mother humper. Really don't get what the deal is but to each his own i guess. Then again, your a senior mem so I'm pretty sure you know more than me.

dean.d said:
First off I agree that sense is great. I hated giving up all the widgets like you said. But, I,m a practical person and a phone shortcut on the rosie is redundant, im my opinion, when you have a hardware key that works just fine. Don't get wrong, because if i did NOT have the hardware key, the rosie would be the $h!t. I also find it redundant to have two clocks on the screen. That could have come in handy in Iraq when I had a 9 hr time difference, but now, not so much. AOSP, in short, is more practical to me. There are hundreds of sense base clocks and a lot of them are free. And the ones that aren't can be "acquired" anyway. ADW has some kick a$$ sliders and cm6 has a sense theme that looks just like the mother humper. Really don't get what the deal is but to each his own i guess. Then again, your a senior mem so I'm pretty sure you know more than me.
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I certainly agree about the Phone button being redundant. I have already remapped mine, but I find myself not really ever using the middle button anyway, so it doesn't bother me.
Yes, I know, I did the whole "Fancy Widget" routine and found it to be inaccurate compared to the Weather app itself, and was of lower resolution than the regular one.
The problem isn't just coloring the titlebar black and using Fancy Widget, the problem is the rest of the widgets have no equals, and the rest of the apps excepting the HTC IME mod have no equal either. The dialer on AOSP, I maintain, is still utterly terrible and incredibly inefficient.

The one thing i like is the fact that from the contacts i can add the birthday. It is so nice that i can say " ok spell your name first and last. Now your number, and now your birthday. " it just makes it so much more personal. Especially when you drop them a text on the birthday. Yeah for brownie points. Not to mention the MMS that i the reason i stopped using a AOSD rom. I still mantain all the respect in the world to the rom developers just i ,like you, prefer Sence based rom

I don't know about being a wimp for using a sense rom..I just think it is an individuals preference and opinion to what they have on their phones.
I agree the dialer on my phone isn't the greatest,and would love to have it respond faster to my touch,but that is about all I could ask for when it comes to it. As too the contact list.I want nothing to start making suggestions on who I wish to call for me. I can and much prefer to choose someone directly from it,and it is no different when using any sense rom.
The typewriter is flat..nothing that a sense rom can do to ever change that fact. If you want a true tactical feel then get a physical keyboard.. I do agree with you on this though..it isn't the most responsive keyboard I have ever used,but the stock sense keyboard to me is worse and laid out wrong from the start. I'll be glad when the swype keyboard is more readily available..even if it does wind up costing a few dollars.
Widgets..some cost $2.99 many though are free,and do exactly what they are supposed to do.
Again,it is all a personal choice on what a person has on their phone,and what they consider to be utilitarian or beautiful. As I see it,Ubuntu is refined and certainly is a breath of fresh air for those who enjoy having a nice theme on their phone. What can be added and taken away has a certain appeal for many people. My wife loves this look..
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Her needs wants and desires are far different than many others. She also wants her phone different than anyone else so she wants something that is clean..elegant..and yet sophisticated. She can have this with this home screen,and those icons.It isn't cluttered with anything,and is to her liking. To her and many like myself,having animated weather widgets is not needed or wanted,nor is having a boring ass flip clock wanted either.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,just as we all set these phones up to our individual needs,wants,and desires. While having a sense rom is fine and works for many with everything it offers,it isn't the end all, for everyone else. It can be utilized for what ever we load on it regardless wither it is a sense based rom or not.Some here seem to forget that others have no need for all of the what a sense rom offers,and they also forget we all have different taste in decoration and different needs. Some have minimal needs but yet still like to customize their phone to their personal taste.Some here never use their phone for work,but others do,so their needs are much different.
In the end it is just a matter of personal taste,wants,and desires. If you feel a sense rom is the best..well..that is your opinion and certainly are entitled to it. I see being able to choose what we want on our phones as a more important topic than which is better..because this we can do,and not have to settle for what our carriers force upon us.
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I used to be a Die-hard sense fan.. but Now I like simple.. which is a few widgets..etc and nothing more.. and everything within reach of my finger.. 3 screens at the most..etc..

I'm a fan of the sense apps, but I prefer clean and simple on my home screen. So, I use launcher for the simple, clean look it provides and then I just go to my app folder and use the sense apps because the ROM I'm using is a sense-based ROM. It's like the best of both worlds. I can totally understand the OP's point of view and I don't like to pay for apps that do the same thing the sense apps do. So, I have just combined my likes from the two worlds and tried to remove the dislikes. All-in-all, I'm very pleased with the personalization the android platform offers, which I would risk saying is why most of us have the Hero in the first place.
Kudos to open forums and everyone getting to express their own personal opinions. And it's good to see no one flaming the OP for his!
-mb

First I want to say that had it not been for CM6 I would still be using sense, but have had far better performance from this AOSP rom than with another Sense ROM. I use to love sense and would never give up its look and feel. Now if they can get a sense froyo rom that runs as smooth as CM6 I might actually use it. Most are looking for performance and speed. CM6 gives that to us.
The clock app beats the pants off of AOSP's pathetic and frankly, ugly one. Why should I have a pathetic looking clock that can't do half of what Sense's can, when I have all of those features tied into one and it looks professional?
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This depends on what you want your clock to do. I agree that the AOSP clock app isn't as visually pleasing, but I don't need a world clock or stopwatch or timer.
I don't like Ubuntu. I never liked the way it looked; it had and always seems to have this "accessibility over design" look to it. When I see AOSP android, that's exactly what I see. Ugly, unrefined Android.
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That is why there are themes and different launchers, just like you can do with ubuntu.
The lockscreen; forgive me if I'm being too literal here, but I was under the impression that a Lockscreen was made so that no phone interaction would happen accidentally. Why would I even want to risk having a slider that can silence my phone on my lockscreen? And again, the ugliness factor is just appalling. Everything is so big and bubbly.
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I have actually had more accidental answered calls with the sense lock screen when I pull my phone out of its holster. The stock htc sense lockscreen is the one that is visually appalling
The Sense Launcher has something that so far, I can't seem to find from any other launcher; G-Sensor screen switching. No matter what screen I'm on, I just give my phone a quick shake, and I can see them all. AOSP doesn't let you do that, as far as I know.
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are you to lazy to just press the home button. I think that shaking it is more of a show-off to other people
The AOSP keyboard; in all honesty, it's just too slow and feels very flat. The text prediction gets to be too confusing, and using the space bar only helps until you don't mean to add a period after a word and then typing becomes a chore.
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No matter what ROM i run i prefer swiftkey over aosp or htc. I do notice that the aosp does not have as much lag as HTC's
The Sense Widgets: Simply put, I don't WANT to pay 2.99 for BW when I have excellent widgets already available to me. The Clock widget is a must, as is the messaging Widget. Why should I have to pay for Launcher Pro Plus when I already have these (I bought LPP before coming to this realization)
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If you have it use it. Others don'w want sense and therefor pay for these apps. How much did that $2.99 hurt you?
The Sense Dialer; When I turn on my phone, and I want to quickly dial a contact, all I have to do is open up the dialer and start spelling the contact's name out through the dialpad keys. Does AOSP's dialer let you do this? Ha, one would wish. Instead, I have to go through the phone app to get to the Contact list, then press search, wait for the search bar to appear, and then start to type out the name on the terrible on screen keyboard, and then click again to get to a contact's page, and then press on the dial button.
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Dialer One does the same thing. I have a themed one since I didn't like the original look
Contact management; One of the things that you can't do with AOSP and have to do in the GMail interface is being able to add contacts into groups other than just Favorites. With Sense, I can have as many groups as I want, which is useful, since I can have widgets of just one group of Contacts.
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There are apps that will let you do thi.
The Calender app: The Sense Calender sorts my different details about a calender date into little sections, the AOSP one just bunches all the details up together, making it far more annoying to discern different things.
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I use calwidget which is free and there are also many more than do it to
Yes you have to download some app to do what sense does, but they still take up less space than all the sense crap. Just look at the size of CM6 + google apps and the size is half of the sense roms.

The wonderful thing about having an Android phone is that we can tailor the device to suit our individual tastes and preferences. It's kind of like being an American!
I love Sense UI and miss much of it now that I don't have it but, for me, the trade-off is worth it. I enjoy my phone now in ways I didn't believe would be possible.
For others who don't view Sense UI as creating problems, that's great!
No one will criticize someone for having their phone perform the way they want it to!

spiritcrusher33 said:
I used to be a Die-hard sense fan.. but Now I like simple.. which is a few widgets..etc and nothing more.. and everything within reach of my finger.. 3 screens at the most..etc..
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This.
Plus, Sense = slower than molasses. CM6 = faster than a monkey on fire.
So, FOR MY NEEDS, CM6 >>>>>>>>>> Sense.

I use a Sense ROM but I really can't stand the slowness of opening and navigating the HTC contacts, messaging, calendar, clock, and music apps. They move at a snail's pace compared to their AOSP counterparts, which frankly navigate through menus almost instantly. So, I replaced all of these with the AOSP 2.1 versions (except for contacts, which is not really replaceable).
However I agree with the HTC dialer app being the best in terms of functionality.

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The wonderful thing about having an Android phone is that we can tailor the device to suit our individual tastes and preferences. It's kind of like being an American!
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THIS......
At least until the government mandates we all buy regular cell phones under the disguise of "free cell phones for all"

I don't see how the vanilla lockscreen is uglier than the Sense one at all. Never had a problem with unlocking or silencing the phone while in my pocket either, gotta thank the Menu button unlocking the phone being disabled by default for that..

I am a Sense user up until now. There are no disputde that sense + widgets are nice and available readily from HTC (That's what we paid for). Of course AOSP is different. It's an open source development and offer as plain as possible so that users can freely use any widgets and customize the phone the way they wanted. To me Sense is just a layer on top of the AOSP or another term it's just a Launcher that was written and customized by HTC.
Why am I walking away from the current 2.1 sense?
-It's simple CM6 Froyo 2.2 OS is faster than the current 2.1 OS.
-If I compared Sense 2.1 vs AOSP 2.1, I would pick Sense because the performance is the same but on the plus side is Sense package is readily available.
-If I compared Sense 2.1, AOSP 2.1 vs CM6 Froyo. Froyo is faster by a mile ( I am not talking about benchmark, i am talking about real time performance)
I only switched a way from sense 2.1 since CM6 was available as nightly and there are couple of times turned back to the latest Sense ROM but only to find that it was a disappointment in performance. You just need to be patient and find the right sense like widgets for your CM6 or wait until Sprint release Sense 2.2

Sorry to say this, but this is the most useless thread ever. You just stated an opinion... it doesn't help the board at all lol. But I personally use CM6 RC1 with my Sense theme on it. I use Fancy Widget and Calwidget, and it looks exactly like Sense, but has the complete customizablility of CM6.

unCoRrUpTeD said:
First I want to say that had it not been for CM6 I would still be using sense, but have had far better performance from this AOSP rom than with another Sense ROM. I use to love sense and would never give up its look and feel. Now if they can get a sense froyo rom that runs as smooth as CM6 I might actually use it. Most are looking for performance and speed. CM6 gives that to us.
This depends on what you want your clock to do. I agree that the AOSP clock app isn't as visually pleasing, but I don't need a world clock or stopwatch or timer.
That is why there are themes and different launchers, just like you can do with ubuntu.
I have actually had more accidental answered calls with the sense lock screen when I pull my phone out of its holster. The stock htc sense lockscreen is the one that is visually appalling
are you to lazy to just press the home button. I think that shaking it is more of a show-off to other people
No matter what ROM i run i prefer swiftkey over aosp or htc. I do notice that the aosp does not have as much lag as HTC's
If you have it use it. Others don'w want sense and therefor pay for these apps. How much did that $2.99 hurt you?
Dialer One does the same thing. I have a themed one since I didn't like the original look
There are apps that will let you do thi.
I use calwidget which is free and there are also many more than do it to
Yes you have to download some app to do what sense does, but they still take up less space than all the sense crap. Just look at the size of CM6 + google apps and the size is half of the sense roms.
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Thank you for COMPLETELY ignoring the very first part of my post, I appreciate your reading skills.

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Sorry to say this, but this is the most useless thread ever. You just stated an opinion... it doesn't help the board at all lol. But I personally use CM6 RC1 with my Sense theme on it. I use Fancy Widget and Calwidget, and it looks exactly like Sense, but has the complete customizablility of CM6.
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Oh? Is there supposed to be a purpose for each and every thread in the General Section? Fancy Widget is still just a widget, the Clock App and the Weather App from Sense don't come with it. Sense is not just about LOOKING good, it has the apps to back it up

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This.
Plus, Sense = slower than molasses. CM6 = faster than a monkey on fire.
So, FOR MY NEEDS, CM6 >>>>>>>>>> Sense.
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+1 very nicely said

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+1 very nicely said
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On an overclocked/undervolted kernel? Have you ever seen Zen-ROM? My guess is not.

Whats the with hostility in OP's post? lol

Advantage of Android Over WinMo??

I seriously dont get it, what is the real adavantage of Android??..many say Andorid is waaay better than WinMo6.5without any reason.. i for one still feel android and WinMo6.5are on the same boat .. there are NO distinctive advantages over each other.. i can find many demerits in android(atleast for me), yea there are demerits in WinMo6.5 also but in no way Android outweighs the disadvantages of WinMo6.5.
1. Android's battery management is very poor compared to WinMo6.5.
2. Android's memory management sucks BIG time, poeple say it's intelligent ... it's just kills apps whenever it needs to, basically loads all junk in memory and if it needs memory it kills low priority processes, i dont know how this is considered intelligent, why does it load all the installed apps process in the first place???.. i am even afraid to install a new app..
This is the reason for the battery drain!!!...
3. There is no TRUE multitasking, you play a game while listening to a song, in between you want to change the song, you cant do.. there is a huge possiblity that Android will just kill the game since it needs memory.
4. Theming is too static, you can only cahnge colours or images.. you cant completely change the whole interface as in WinMo6.5... every1 who is been using WinMo for some time would easily understand how great you can change the interfac of your mobile in WinMo6.5.
5. DATA Hag, for everything you have to goto market, goddamn, there are countries where 3g is not even introduced and poeple dont have unlimited plans, for everthing you need mobile internet in android.
6. Feels like it's a locked OS just like IOS and the copy cat winmo 7.
Only advantage of android over WinMo6.5 is android's got some good looking games!!!
Maybe it's just that people wanted a change and they are catching to Android , once they got bored they will come back to WinMo

Nobody is forcing you to use android, so why are you knocking it? If you don't like it, just don't use it.
The main advantage is the active development. We are early in the life of android with version 2.2. Windows mobile 6.5 is likely to be left behind when WM7 arrives. There are also many more developers who contribute to the android market.
How can you describe an open source OS as "locked" and compare it to IOS. Open source is the polar opposite of locked.
You are wrong to say that the theme is too static and can't be changed. There are many options. Sense, ADW, Launcher Pro, and now MIUI.
Most importantly XDA developers, the long time windows mobile devs, have now embraced android.

I just stopped by to say this is lulzy
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Simple question: why going back to an os wm abandoned and no longer support? You can talk about battery consumption, I have the same here, (super miui rom) and I still remember very well all the bugs and freezes I had with wm no mater what rom I choose. Remember very well too when I was so happy my phone ran 3 days without reset it. The cruel lack of applications. Ok, you can find by digging a bit an ugly wm app that do the trick, but its better to have the choice. There are so many developers here, future oriented.
Example : I decided to went to android when onenote mobile lost all my pictures inside my travel note ... Enough.
Now with the memoires app, I can take an encrypted note with picture and gps on map, backed up in sd, synchronised with google docs or export it in whatever output file I want. Happy user.
I made a silent backup too when I plug my usb cable, copying my sdcard meaning all my os and apps.
If you don't understand why people love android here you probably missed something ;-)

I wonder why there are still WM 6.5.3 releases everyday.. maybe microsoft stopped supporting and these builds are just coming out of nowhere .. possible??
if the developers stopped supporting i wonder how CHT 2.0 beta came out... CHT 2,0 pawns everything.. it's so awesome.. can you imagine anything of that sort to come out for android,...
Regarding theming
What is launcher pro offereing same old page scrolling and more widgets that is all... there is no drastic change..
In WinMo i had iphone ui(page scrolling), Sense ui, Windows xp style, windows 98 style, windows 7 style.. there is this wonderful app Wisbar.. with that you could possibly get any type of UI... you cant possibly do anything like that in android
THAT IS WHY I CALL IT LOCKED, you cant possibly edit anything like you have done in WinMo
Another disadvantage i saw was, i cannot share my PC's internet connection with my phone.. there is no way to do this.. WTH man.. in WinMo it's easy as a piece of cake..
Nobody is forcing you to use android, so why are you knocking it? If you don't like it, just don't use it.
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Please this is not a Android hatred or WinMo fan boyism thread... i am still trying out every new release of android and i will still continue to do the same.. all i wanted to discuss was it's Advantage over WinMo .. maybe i dont know stuffs , i wanted to learn more about android ...
I just stopped by to say this is lulzy
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i dont want any android fan service here, if you have some stuff in your head speak it or go take a hike
Some noobs just dont understand anything, just for the sake of every1 using they will use and say Android rocks, this, that... tell us what you feel as an advantage

Both have their advantages and disadvantages... I like them both equally now. I used to say winmo was better, and in some ways it is. It's actually far more customizable and versatile when you know what you're doing, and just as stable. I bought the hd2 for winmo, and plan on keeping it on the phone because this will be the last great winmo phone.
But android is being actively developed, and is catching up in versatility quickly. Since froyo was released and the hd2 got such a functional port, I've given Android another chance and have really began to like it... its smoother and easier to setup than winmo, and its functionality & versatility are catching up to winmo in many ways.
They are just different. Android is definitely easier for the average user, and is continuously updated and has a lot of developers supporting it with a variety of apps. Winmo is still more customizable and versatile, but it isn't easy for the average user. It was designed as a pocket pc OS originally, and has had phone functionality added. Android was designed as a phone OS to begin with, but it doesn't have the desktop-like functionality that winmo does. They are very differently designed mobile OS's.
At this point, I now love them both equally, but in different ways. I love my winmo setup and the fact I can make it look and act exactly how I want... it takes some experience and work to get it as functional and stable as I like it, and it does everything I want it to do. Android is fun and easy to setup... it looks great and modern, and has a lot of fun apps. I'm pretty sure I can accomplish everything that I can with winmo if I really tried, and vice-versa, but I still prefer the way winmo & its apps are setup for a lot of things, though. But I'm liking the way android works and is set-up for other things. Web browsing is much more enjoyable on android, and there are more games and will continue to be more made.
Anyways, the great thing about the HD2 is that I can have both! And both run very well. I will never turn my dual-OS powerphone into just another android phone by flashing android over winmo... it doesn't seem worth it as android will run pretty much as good off a SD card as from nand... it all loads into RAM anyways and runs from there. Plus I still love winmo as much as I always have, and I got this phone because it is and will always be the best winmo device. It's a shame that it won't be developed any further.
I hope that when magldr is released, it will allow me to have both winmo and android on nand, as I have the tmous hd2 with 1gb nand, so there's enough space. That will allow me to access to my SD card without needing to leave it in for android.
Sorry for such a long post, but I had a lot to say on this subject. I'm tired of hearing fans of one OS bashing the other OS. I hear it most often from android users on this forum. It seems once android was functional on the hd2, many more immature posts have flooded these forums... saying winmo sucks, etc. They are both great mobile OS's, and are just different. It's great we now have a choice, but there's no reason to bash either OS just because you don't like it, or understand how to use it. Sorry for the rant. It's late & I'm very tired.
Edit: my rant isn't focused at anybody in this thread. Also, I agree with the op on most of his views. All of android launchers/shells are very similar and is not nearly as skinnable and customizable as winmo. But I do love the widgets android has, too. It's very easy to setup nice looking homescreens... winmo usually takes more time and work to setup the way you want, but there is a ton more options.
And CHT 2.0 looks awesome... haven't had a chance to play with it yet, but it looks like it takes sense to a whole new level. Takes the best parts of android sense and winmo sense, and makes the most customizable version of sense yet!
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I've installed Android on my HD2 and are using it for main, daily use OS. The reason for this is the net browsing experience. Click a flash movie and it plays. Click it again and it plays full screen. Also the overall slickness of Sense on android + swype + spotify + native gps navigation is reasons for not going back.

I like both, as you get some great applications in both.
Although Windows never looks and feels as slick as Android.
Take some like for like applications, Facebook app on WM is terrible compared to the fantastic Android version. Radiotime player knocks any radio player on WM.
the cloud sync of google is so easy and works well.
But saying that I find the Memory map navigator a must on WM, some great bird and wildlife apps, prefer the camera on WM HD2 and think Sense UI on the HD2 is a lot better than sense on Android, although saying that I like the friendsstream....
See we are so lucky to have both...

yea good one dude.. i feel the same way.. people just blindly say WinMo sucks.. that is my argument.. they are in equal footing.. no way Android is better than WinMo...
Real thing is, An OS such as WinMo which came into existense some 6 or 7 years back can still hold it's uniquness and has almost all the features as that of an newly released os Android!!! ... what does android offer being it a brand new OS.. i dont get it... i can do anything android do in winmo itself... i was hoping Android to be far superior OS ... but after using it i dont feel like it AT ALL....

Well the biggest drawback of winmo , is its colors! They have never released a proper 16million color screen , common, its the 22nd century .. Lol .
A phone like the calibre of HD2 could hv had amoled plus 16 million colors , and it would have rocked both worlds, WinMO and Android!
But android , simply truly is more Open Source and more developer community oriented, than winMo .
Android , is being backed by The biggest player of the market , Google , which allows full integration with google services , winMo can never hve this no mattr what one does .
Google Maps simply rocks on android !
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@ zarathustrax Great job typing all that from your phone mate
As for this discussion both operating systems have their advantages and disadvantages I guess its just a matter of what you want to do with the phone and how you live your life day to day.
Android offers ALOTT more social network integration as you can sync your facebook twitter and google contacts into 1 account and manage them all from 1 place. See peoples latest updates or activities without having to go from 1 program to the other. This was my personal reason for changing from WinMo as well as the widget based screens. Yes I know CHT has done a fantastic job and has a few widgets now but it cant integrate with the whole operating system, and to access the rest of sense you still need to pop up the standard sense bar. Android 3 will be bringing alot of nice new features including multitasking and better memory management.
Now I still love using WinMo. I went off HTC Sense a long time ago after the 'prettyness' apeal faded but I have always been a user of Spb Mobile Shell and have made alot of improvments and alot of themes for it and will keep developing for it on WinMo as long as its around. Unfortunately with WindowsPhone7 they arent allowing Today plugins so Spb Mobile Shell wont be availble on that platform. I dont commend Windows for that decision but I guess they are taking a leaf out of apples book and it works for apple.
To answer the OP's question (if I havent already), WinMo and Android both have very different feels and both are loved and hated by alot of people. If you want perfect social network integration with the whole OS (you just cant do that in WinMo), more widgets and apps and ALOT better games (especially ones that use the gsensor) then go for Android. If you prefer a Windows based platform where you can play around with the registry, have more business based apps and dont really play many games then go with WindowsMobile. If you want the best of both then have both
The only thing I dont like about Android is that I cant use TomTom and I always thought that is the best satnav app available. Ohh well I still have copilot on Android lol..
Mark.

If Windows mobile had the Android marketplace, there would be no need for Android.
The HD2 in WM can easily handle some of the fantastic Android Apps, microsoft should be hung drawn and quartered for not implementing a better marketplace, they have had the opportunity, why not keep the WM6.5 and develop the market apps..apps.....did I say it...Applications, Applications, Applications, that's where development should be

I got an Evo cuz I'm on Sprint. I had a Diamond, (and still do), and loved it and was reluctant to stop using it, because I really came to love winmo. Android can't do anything with a .rar file, for example. (I thought it couldn't even create zips, but I was wrong).
Mostly what moved me though was the hardware. My diamond didn't come close to an Evo hardware-wise, and I was excited about the big screen.
I honestly would have preferred to get an HD2 than an Evo, but it just was not feasible for me to switch to t-mobile. I really did think about it and investigated it.
A lot of great devs on xda have picked up android though, and that has been great.
I will say, all the different UIs for android are essentially the same (as said before); swipe left/right, app drawer at bottom, etc. Winmo was/is far more customizable.
Winmo is still near and dear to me. I have gotten comfortable with android, though.
All that said, I was not able to get a winmo with the badass hardware (HD2), and since Microsoft is moving on to win phone 7 , which I want NO part of, and there will be no other winmo 6.5x phones coming available with current hardware, I went android/Evo, and had to just think of it as a big middle finger to Microsoft for their win phone 7 BS.
I'm pretty happy now thought with Android, but really poor .wma support, hard to accept.
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Oh and uploads are not supported from android browser. That kills me! Sure, you can install Opera on android, then upload via Opera browser, but Opera browser sucks on android (on winmo, it was perfect, all I used). Now in froyo, it half-ass supports uploads, but only kinda. Winmo has had upload for god-knows-how-long ?! Amazing to me Google can't fix this properly.
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depakjan said:
I seriously dont get it, what is the real adavantage of Android??..many say Andorid is waaay better than WinMo6.5without any reason.. i for one still feel android and WinMo6.5are on the same boat .. there are NO distinctive advantages over each other.. i can find many demerits in android(atleast for me), yea there are demerits in WinMo6.5 also but in no way Android outweighs the disadvantages of WinMo6.5.
1. Android's battery management is very poor compared to WinMo6.5.
2. Android's memory management sucks BIG time, poeple say it's intelligent ... it's just kills apps whenever it needs to, basically loads all junk in memory and if it needs memory it kills low priority processes, i dont know how this is considered intelligent, why does it load all the installed apps process in the first place???.. i am even afraid to install a new app..
This is the reason for the battery drain!!!...
3. There is no TRUE multitasking, you play a game while listening to a song, in between you want to change the song, you cant do.. there is a huge possiblity that Android will just kill the game since it needs memory.
4. Theming is too static, you can only cahnge colours or images.. you cant completely change the whole interface as in WinMo6.5... every1 who is been using WinMo for some time would easily understand how great you can change the interfac of your mobile in WinMo6.5.
5. DATA Hag, for everything you have to goto market, goddamn, there are countries where 3g is not even introduced and poeple dont have unlimited plans, for everthing you need mobile internet in android.
6. Feels like it's a locked OS just like IOS and the copy cat winmo 7.
Only advantage of android over WinMo6.5 is android's got some good looking games!!!
Maybe it's just that people wanted a change and they are catching to Android , once they got bored they will come back to WinMo
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I get the point you are trying to make. But before you make statements like poor mem managements and batt issues, we all need to realize that all android running on our HD2 is PORTED...and its bound to have few issues till its all ironed out. about multitasking/mem management, read here (http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html) before saying android is poor in mem management. Engineers at Google would have given it a fair amount of thought... I tried using multiple apps at the same time and switching in between them without a problem. Recent builds of android lasts the whole day for me without recharging, so i dont see any BIG downside there.
No doubt WM IS still great, but the approach was completely different in almost every way. To me, its like comparing apple to oranges ; because of how it is designed to function.
When i tried android the 1st time, i didnt like it at all. But recent releases have grown on me and i like them very much even for daily use. I guess the people like me would lose out some customization/personalization PURELY because i have ZERO knowledge when it comes to linux (I used to build my own WM6.5 roms...i cant do that with android). Im sure things can be customized (i.e: cyanogenMod, revolution theme, etc), its just that I (and most of the people cling very hard to WM) dont know how. Also, about your point 5: you do realize you can install the apk (apps) in android offline right? HTC with sense is also same as it requires lots of data??
We have to be fair in assessing both OS here....
I am a fan of both OS.
Just think about this - Why are we so quick to dismiss something and label it as bad when the memory usage is high?? (Ie: when a app / ROM uses a lot of ram, we say its bad in management) I don't mind fully utilizing (the ram is in HD2 to be used...why not fully use it?) all available ram it it gives a better user experience with negligible increase in batt drain.
I think we/most of us are conditioned our mind to the way of WM memory management. We should be more open to new approaches and give it time to develop further!
Well...when i started typing...i didnt mean to type this long.... look how long i end up typing...this is what i think

THUDUK said:
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This is the best argument for Android on HD2 - it runs well enough from the SD card and you still have the WinMo option... Now we have the best hardware and two great operating systems - one very mature, stable etc and a new exciting one!
Personally I now only really use WinMo for SatNav (TomTom) because I'm used to using it and the maps are very accurate
Google nav maps are surpisingly out of date. Damn thing tried to send me down a road that I know has been closed off for 5+ years!! And don't even try to drive around Brixton with Google you will be arrested for dangerous driving hehe

Here's the problem I had with winmo, one which ultimately drove me away.
Microsoft has always lacked a certain finese in their OS's that other developers dont. After you dig through the HTC sense overlay on the HD2 and start finding areas of the system that they never tweaked, you start to see the real windows coming out of its shell, and it's ugly. Old fonts, very non-finger friendly, looks more like it was meant for a stylus. Menu driven systems that work well for someone with a computer and mouse, but not at all for a touch screen device.
The way I saw it, microsoft is simply not good in the UI department. They seriously need to hire more talented people who design the look and feel of their operating systems. The whole thing just feels amatuerish. I could design a better UI. The very fact that theirs is so sloppy says that Microsoft doesnt really know what they're doing. I already feel the same way about Winmo7 btw. Once again microsoft just shows they dont have enough creativity in their bones to whip up a functionally useful and unique OS. They sure tried, but they missed the mark.
Google and apple on the other hand know exactly what they're doing. While the core OS functions and how it controls the phone might all be similar, they understand people, what people like, how people think, and what feels good on a phone. Their menu hierarchy, finger friendly options, and features offered all make sense to me. They give me and present to me what I want how I want it. You can just tell by using it that they really "get it".
Winmo just feels like some forgotten OS that was developed around the first handhelds about 10 years ago, one in which microsoft never really understood how to advance in today's mobile market. It's like they're a lost puppy, trying to figure out why the big dogs get all the meat. It's really not that hard microsoft, they're just better than you at this stuff. I mean the entire reasons the HD2 was shipped with a sense theme is because the winmo theme is so ungodly and ugly that they simply had to basically remake the whole thing to get anyone to touch it.

its not crash so often on heavy useage

RunNgun42 said:
Here's the problem I had with winmo, one which ultimately drove me away.
Microsoft has always lacked a certain finese in their OS's that other developers dont. After you dig through the HTC sense overlay on the HD2 and start finding areas of the system that they never tweaked, you start to see the real windows coming out of its shell, and it's ugly. Old fonts, very non-finger friendly, looks more like it was meant for a stylus. Menu driven systems that work well for someone with a computer and mouse, but not at all for a touch screen device.
The way I saw it, microsoft is simply not good in the UI department. They seriously need to hire more talented people who design the look and feel of their operating systems. The whole thing just feels amatuerish. I could design a better UI. The very fact that theirs is so sloppy says that Microsoft doesnt really know what they're doing. I already feel the same way about Winmo7 btw. Once again microsoft just shows they dont have enough creativity in their bones to whip up a functionally useful and unique OS. They sure tried, but they missed the mark.
Google and apple on the other hand know exactly what they're doing. While the core OS functions and how it controls the phone might all be similar, they understand people, what people like, how people think, and what feels good on a phone. Their menu hierarchy, finger friendly options, and features offered all make sense to me. They give me and present to me what I want how I want it. You can just tell by using it that they really "get it".
Winmo just feels like some forgotten OS that was developed around the first handhelds about 10 years ago, one in which microsoft never really understood how to advance in today's mobile market. It's like they're a lost puppy, trying to figure out why the big dogs get all the meat. It's really not that hard microsoft, they're just better than you at this stuff. I mean the entire reasons the HD2 was shipped with a sense theme is because the winmo theme is so ungodly and ugly that they simply had to basically remake the whole thing to get anyone to touch it.
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Totally agree with you!!!!! I have used WM for years, Apple OS for over 1 year and now Android for 1 month. I rate Android #1, Apple #2 and WM #3. I cannot believe the UI that Android and Apple have compare to the lack of UI form WM. This includes Apps, Display, Stores, etc.
Will keep WM on my HD2 but using Android all the time now.

mskip said:
@ zarathustrax Great job typing all that from your phone mate
As for this discussion both operating systems have their advantages and disadvantages I guess its just a matter of what you want to do with the phone and how you live your life day to day.
Android offers ALOTT more social network integration as you can sync your facebook twitter and google contacts into 1 account and manage them all from 1 place. See peoples latest updates or activities without having to go from 1 program to the other. This was my personal reason for changing from WinMo as well as the widget based screens. Yes I know CHT has done a fantastic job and has a few widgets now but it cant integrate with the whole operating system, and to access the rest of sense you still need to pop up the standard sense bar. Android 3 will be bringing alot of nice new features including multitasking and better memory management.
Now I still love using WinMo. I went off HTC Sense a long time ago after the 'prettyness' apeal faded but I have always been a user of Spb Mobile Shell and have made alot of improvments and alot of themes for it and will keep developing for it on WinMo as long as its around. Unfortunately with WindowsPhone7 they arent allowing Today plugins so Spb Mobile Shell wont be availble on that platform. I dont commend Windows for that decision but I guess they are taking a leaf out of apples book and it works for apple.
To answer the OP's question (if I havent already), WinMo and Android both have very different feels and both are loved and hated by alot of people. If you want perfect social network integration with the whole OS (you just cant do that in WinMo), more widgets and apps and ALOT better games (especially ones that use the gsensor) then go for Android. If you prefer a Windows based platform where you can play around with the registry, have more business based apps and dont really play many games then go with WindowsMobile. If you want the best of both then have both
The only thing I dont like about Android is that I cant use TomTom and I always thought that is the best satnav app available. Ohh well I still have copilot on Android lol..
Mark.
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Well said... I like both... The HD2 allows you to have both on your phone... No other phone allows that intergration... Hopefully when WP7 arrives we can have all three on the HD2??? I use both Android and WM on a daily basis... I've been using Android more to learn about... I like the ability to play with Android before I leap on it (need to see if I like Android first)... I can say that alot of development is moving to Android... Who knows down the road I may buy Android??? But for now I will stick to my HD2 (no phones released or will be released make me say WOW I must have it)..... Also Spb Shell 5 is taking to long to be released...... I like CHT v2 (gives you that Spb Shell ability)......

Tech Savy said:
Well said... I like both... The HD2 allows you to have both on your phone... No other phone allows that intergration... Hopefully when WP7 arrives we can have all three on the HD2??? I use both Android and WM on a daily basis... I've been using Android more to learn about... I like the ability to play with Android before I leap on it (need to see if I like Android first)... I can say that alot of development is moving to Android... Who knows down the road I may buy Android??? But for now I will stick to my HD2 (no phones released or will be released make me say WOW I must have it)..... Also Spb Shell 5 is taking to long to be released...... I like CHT v2 (gives you that Spb Shell ability)......
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I really have no idea whats going on with Spb Mobile Shell 5.. they initially announced that it would be released in Q3 2010 which has gone now so their timeline is running behind. They are always terrible about announcing updates and new versions so im expecting to wake up one morning and its sitting there waiting lol.
Cant wait to rip it apart and build it back up once it is out though, and the same if/when they release Shell for Android I will definitely be giving that a good going over and giving it the ProPlus treatment
Mark.

Wallpaper WTF

Okay WTF why can't I set the full wallpaper in Android? I mean MT4G is using WVGA 480x800 right? So WTF if I have same res wallpaper I can't set the full image without chopping it? Looks like I am already starting to miss the superior control of WinMo.
Also WTF is the background image moving? Is there any way to just make the wallpaper fixed in still form? So its on all 5 panels? What kinda crap is this.

HyperNode said:
Okay WTF why can't I set the full wallpaper in Android? I mean MT4G is using WVGA 480x800 right? So WTF if I have same res wallpaper I can't set the full image without chopping it? Looks like I am already starting to miss the superior control of WinMo.
Also WTF is the background image moving? Is there any way to just make the wallpaper fixed in still form? So its on all 5 panels? What kinda crap is this.
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Um, this is a joke right?
When it brings up the picture and you have the little box in the middle of the picture, touch/grab a side and drag it out. It allows you to crop the picture and use the part you want.
As for scrolling wallpaper, yeah, always been that way since the first android device, so NO, you cannot make it the same on every page.

Your post is really negative. Probably won't get a lot of answers like this.
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Must be his first Android...
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setzer715 said:
Um, this is a joke right?
When it brings up the picture and you have the little box in the middle of the picture, touch/grab a side and drag it out. It allows you to crop the picture and use the part you want.
As for scrolling wallpaper, yeah, always been that way since the first android device, so NO, you cannot make it the same on every page.
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Well I am very neat freak and I don't want it to chop the photo I mean WTF chop it when its same res? it might miss few pixels also why can't you apply that and make still background? I hate it when wallpaper goes scrolling looks corny.
el-jodio said:
Must be his first Android...
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What gave it away einstein? my phone history?
Ya this is my 1st Android as I try to clearly stay away from iOS and wannabe google based BS they pretend to call Android. If this was WM lol it would take me 3sec to rape it and do as I want it. Ironic here Android is open source and WM is proprietary yet we have more control over it :O

if you want to "screenlock" your background Launcher Pro has that as an option, it is free in the market however you will lose most of your stock widgets (as they are proprietary to HTC Sense UI) unless you get the donate version, the developer has created his own verions of the most popular Sense widgets.
side note : if you are so anti-Android then why didn't you get the HD7 (since it runs your beloved WinMo) instead of the Glacier?

hypernode, U just lack the knowledge. If U looking to learn U might wanna ask without all the "If this was WM boy I would" stuff just because U have more knowledge about WM. Android is just as customizable as WM, just does everything better. I own a touch pro, and touch pro 2.

So wait you are telling me that no one complained about this BS before other than me? find it hard to believe as its same concept as desktop environment console which came from ironically from UNIX world 30+ years ago and before Win platform made it mainstream yet on so called Android PPC variant we don't have this? WTF how old is Android again? They don't even have this basic setting? I mean some folks might want to use wallpaper with lower/higher res for example in display tile, center, stretch and use it as is without chopping it.
BTW I am not anti-android I just hate Google gl with your info being passed around googleware. Its a privacy thing but they sure did a mockup job of Linux based PPC here. Also WTF would I want WM7? Have you seen that POS? lol whats with the tiles? Sorry I am not 5years old M$ failed again.
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This is WM7 on HD7 would you take what I had or this?
The only reason I picked MT4G was due to its superior hardware spec's thus promising much more capabilities. This was the only alternative other than HTC DHD which I can't use in USA due to no 3G so I picked this one. But I am not paying $450 for HD7 when its same BS as HD2 which we had since 2009.
I just find it odd that Android lacks so much which I find unbelievable for an open platform and I don't plan on becoming an Android developer just to apply wallpaper lol I mean this should have already been documented. Trust me I know I come from the real *nix world. Then again I had it for like a day maybe I should give it more time.

esincho said:
hypernode, U just lack the knowledge. If U looking to learn U might wanna ask without all the "If this was WM boy I would" stuff just because U have more knowledge about WM. Android is just as customizable as WM, just does everything better. I own a touch pro, and touch pro 2.
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lol knowledge to setup wallpapers? are you serious? they should have just "had" it. So you are saying no one ever noticed this before? I mean we are not talking about setting up UDE here on a server remotely then allocating XDesktop daemon. Then manually editing the display init via console with editor. Ohh man I can see now ill end up being a Android dev due to so much BS lacking. Hell if I can code AI's lol and my own filesharing client on my own network. I am sure this mock of OS won't be difficult as nothing to reverse engineer. Maybe I should give it few sometime so I am use to it.

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HyperNode said:
lol knowledge to setup wallpapers? are you serious? they should have just "had" it. So you are saying no one ever noticed this before? I mean we are not talking about setting up UDE here on a server remotely then allocating XDesktop daemon. Then manually editing the display init via console with editor. Ohh man I can see now ill end up being a Android dev due to so much BS lacking. Hell if I can code AI's lol and my own filesharing client on my own network. I am sure this mock of OS won't be difficult as nothing to reverse engineer. Maybe I should give it few sometime so I am use to it.
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Scrolling wallpaper has been out since the G1 over 2 years ago. If you are as smart as you claim to be, do 5 minutes of research before buying a phone. There are thousands of videos online showing the Android home screen. You could have watched a few, decided you didn't like the wallpaper scrolling and asked someone BEFORE you bought it, if it was possible to not have that. Besides that, walk into a T-Mobile store and use the phone for 10 minutes, see if you can do what you want.
You are acting so negative that Google didn't add the features YOU want, but you didn't take any time to research a product before you bought it? It sounds like you jumped in head first without looking anything up and now you are mad at everyone but yourself. If you are so desperate to have a static wallpaper, download LauncherPro, turn on the setting to not scroll wallpaper and stop complaining.

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So wait you are telling me that no one complained about this BS before other than me? find it hard to believe as its same concept as desktop environment console which came from ironically from UNIX world 30+ years ago and before Win platform made it mainstream yet on so called Android PPC variant we don't have this? WTF how old is Android again? They don't even have this basic setting? I mean some folks might want to use wallpaper with lower/higher res for example in display tile, center, stretch and use it as is without chopping it.
BTW I am not anti-android I just hate Google gl with your info being passed around googleware. Its a privacy thing but they sure did a mockup job of Linux based PPC here. Also WTF would I want WM7? Have you seen that POS? lol whats with the tiles? Sorry I am not 5years old M$ failed again.
Would you want something like this?
This is WM7 on HD7 would you take what I had or this?
The only reason I picked MT4G was due to its superior hardware spec's thus promising much more capabilities. This was the only alternative other than HTC DHD which I can't use in USA due to no 3G so I picked this one. But I am not paying $450 for HD7 when its same BS as HD2 which we had since 2009.
I just find it odd that Android lacks so much which I find unbelievable for an open platform and I don't plan on becoming an Android developer just to apply wallpaper lol I mean this should have already been documented. Trust me I know I come from the real *nix world. Then again I had it for like a day maybe I should give it more time.
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I saw your HD2 wallpaper on another post and personally I don't like it. It looks chaotic, unrefined and just an overall mess. That is just my opinion, but lets get onto the real issue here, hostility. Why are you coming at everyone with such hostility, calling everyone a kid and stupid?
The second question is, if you love WM so much, why do you try to make your phone look like an android phone? I tried the HD2 (well, it was a friends) and I found it to be a disaster, nothing was in a logical place or order, but again, that is just my opinion. A lot of people love WM, just like a lot of people love Android for their own reasons.
As for the wallpaper, I guess Google made what they liked (and MOST user like) and left it at that. Wallpaper is such a small aspect of the phone that I never really cared to do it any other way.
Maybe you should sell your MT4G, buy a used HD2 and wait and see what WM brings this year because you really seem to hate your phone.

what a tool.... hates google and buys a phone with google's software on it....
P.S. If you have to list your case and screen protector in your sig - you're better off with jitterbug.

Just curious but you do know that the wallpaper resolution is 960x800 right?!
Not 800x480. Try that hater and see if it helps.
Borodin was right...what a tool.

You are all on crack, so get of it.
@setzer715:
LOL @ you for saying "It looks chaotic, unrefined and just an overall mess"
You are obviously crazy now look at the SS from what you can conclude from single panel you have all the information in it. But on Andriod you force everyone on 5-7 panels but can't even display that info in one? lol don't be silly if you have any clue in graphic design you could see how beautiful and elegant it is aligned with focal point and matching color theme. If you think it looks like mess well you should admit yourself in the hospital or something.
Why I love WM? Cuz I am starting to see why Andriod is POS now only way to get it working is download stupid apps. "You got app for that?" WM6.5.X is more mature and it evolved. If you don't like it then do WTF you want and make it as you want.
@CyberStorm98
Do search on the thread and post I created and tell me if I didn't do research lol from that you can see what? Are you guys serious? This is STANDARD future I guess most of you use Windows in home? If you used real Unix/Linux you would know what I am takling about here but then again its ironic? On mobile platform WinMo is superior where in PC *nix is superior. You are for getting Android is BS due to googles control. BTW I checked out Launcher Pro its POS and costs like 2.99 for Plus which is BS due to actually lacking this standard future. Most of you just like it cuz they just IMPOSED that BS on you.
@borodin1
What are you mentally handicapped? You can't afford case or anything? Thats like buying a car and you modifying without stating whats under the hood. Ya if you can see my sig you should have seen the 1st/2nd line on it or did you miss that? Only thing I see is ATM its POS Android that's holding the device back as the hardware is superior.
@CBConsultation:
LOL he is right the wallpaper resolution is 960x800 when the display itself is 800x480. Which does not even make sense is that another BS google created? Do I need an app to fix that BS also?
Android is POS so far to me and most BS is lacking but you can fix that just go to silly app market and install some adware app with google ads on it they claim is freeware. I mean WTF it seems most are run away Apple iPanzy users.

Now I know I can easily modify this BS myself but ATM I am having 2nd guess if I want to keep this device as I still have 12days to return it so IDK if I want to root it yet and rape Android for whats it worth and fix it myself. Lets see how things goes if I do decide to keep it might flash to diff rom and start cooking my own. Been using POS: Android for 2days and I am not impressed. Some of the BS don't even make sense its utter ****up to 9th power.
I mean IDK why so many fanboys cried about Android being superior maybe they just some mindless drones who ran of from iPhone or some **** IDK. Its seems like just to do basic BS I "HAVE" to download some bull**** apps. Ooh man and don't get me started as the app claims its freeware but its adware. No wonder Android users don't like WM as most of the thing is already there and when they make an app its actually does something lol its not replacing anything as its complementary.
1st step is rooting this device and 2nd is to install Android SDK. What an utter failure. Just to have some decent standard I have to cook my own rom WTF.

Great. Make your own ROM and quit whining already. You can't type a proper sentence to save your life so stop the babbling.
Can't wait to see your home grown ROM. I hope your coding skills are better than your grammar skills.

How would you want the Android 4.0 (ICS) update to look like? -Rumor Update-

Since SE has confirmed ICS update for the arc/arc S, I think it is a good idea to discuss about the appearance of the firmware.
Personally, I'd like most things to be left as stock with some touches there and here to distinguish it from other ICS builds.
What do you think?
EDIT: No, this is not "just another ICS thread".
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If it's really true, I'm very excitedly happy. Yay for stock Android

- New timescape version (might include timescape for application)
- Apps & Widget manager
- New music players
- More bloatwares
- Hopefully camera will be fixed
- System running faster

what happen to the camera?

Chances are it will come with the same old tired S.E U.I, which isn't really an issue as that can easily be changed.

XperienceD said:
Chances are it will come with the same old tired S.E U.I, which isn't really an issue as that can easily be changed.
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I hope we do manage to get it rooted with locked bootloaders because after that, making it stock is easy

-Camera compression
-Shortcuts for notification site, to add music player, power control shortcuts
-New home launcher...
-better support for liveview
-wi fi connection
-faster scrolling in menu, switch from first to last app. list faster.like moving finger on dots beyond apps
-"xBass" pls. make this > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106197 I'd appreciate it, really. f* xloud, it doesnt change max loudness.

I don't think SE is that dumb to change the whole appearance of ICS lol..
why would they even do that? maybe a little touch to make it more attractive than the others but why would they make it into a TS UI? LOL makes no sense to me as the holographic engine of the ICS FW is so damn awesome & sleek :O

I think it would be great if sony put its touch in the interface while keeping it ICS
look in general.

Camera compression is the only adjustment I care about. Make it better or lose a customer

Full blown SE customization.
Stock android is boring (at least for me)

- Hardware accelerated graphics -> smooth, lag-free scrolling and navigation !

Never in my days will I understand anyone who thinks the left is better UI design than the right >.< But each to their own I guess

I like se one over stock gingerbread .but ice cream?iam not sure
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I hope and think SE will combine their amazing UI design skills
with ICS.
ICS is not so beautiful everywhere however I think - I really do! - that some ICS UI elements are actually inspired by SE.
SE has the best UI on smartphones IMO.

I like ICS home launcher, but I also like SE's home launcher, so I hope to have the functionality of SE Home launcher with the stock launcher + SE theme.
I like some of SE functionality also like Facebook inside Xperia.
but there's things I hate, SE must, and must and MUST do something regarding it...
1- the added pre-installed apps I hope SE make them optional, these are forced to be in the phone even if the user doesn't want them... yeah make them already pre-installed but don't make them system apps so we can remove what ever we want to remove.
2- The Home launcher & browser both should be Hardware accelerated, and Home launcher should be loaded in Memory all the time, and make the browser have this option also.

Xajel said:
1- the added pre-installed apps I hope SE make them optional, these are forced to be in the phone even if the user doesn't want them... yeah make them already pre-installed but don't make them system apps so we can remove what ever we want to remove.
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One of ics new features is disabling any system app so it looks like we won't have an issue
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jtc42 said:
Never in my days will I understand anyone who thinks the left is better UI design than the right >.< But each to their own I guess
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Erm, you've got to be joking?!! The Google ICS image on the right looks like a cluttered, cramped and confusing mess. The SE image on the left is clear and simple. Also look at that pointless big grey bar at the bottom of the screen on ICS - what an absolute waste of screen space.
I also absolutely hate the way ICS on the Galaxy Nexus wastes screen space for those pointless software Android buttons. Slimline tactile buttons as on the Xperias are a superior solution.
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doomed151 said:
Since SE has confirmed ICS update for the arc/arc S, I think it is a good idea to discuss about the appearance of the firmware.
Personally, I'd like most things to be left as stock with some touches there and here to distinguish it from other ICS builds.
What do you think?
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I'm not sure whether you can already do this or not in ICS, but I think there should be a way to add labels to pages in your app tray. I see Google has added tabs for "Apps" and "Widgets", but I think this is a pointless change. I don't need a Widget tab, nor do I want an Android Market tab (it's there for no other reason than Goog£€ making sure to promote its ridiculous 30% cut on app sales). What I would like is the ability to create custom tabs to group my apps (or, alternatively, the ability to create folders) in the app tray. Ironically, Google have moved to SE-style side scrolling for apps, but with custom tabs vertical scrolling would actually look better!
I would also like companies like SE to neuter Google's power a bit more. I simply do not trust Google (I think it is becoming too big, powerful and "big brother" like) and would like SE to add features such as the making it more configurable what data Google receive, and reduce the dependency on Google services.
I also wish SE would stop forcing Facebook on users, and allow users to remove the Facebook app and all Facebook features - not only is the Facebook app badly written and a CPU and battery hog (which runs in the background even if you sign out), Facebook is another company that I do not trust at all.

I have to agree with Paul. I'm not a big fan of the ICS UI. I particularly don't care for the soft buttons at the bottom of the screen. I prefer a clean, simple look. Albiet I haven't used a true ICS ROM, but I have flashed ICS themed ROMS and don't like it all. Call me a creature of habit, but I have no plans of installing ICS when it's finally released.
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I forget to say,
1- Add support for USB-OTG Mass Storage, and please for any newer phones, even if you will add large internal memory ( like 16GB ) add also a microSD slot, it's a must, and AFAIK missing the microSD will mean no USB-OTG Mass Storage...
2- Support WiFi Direct

I don't know if you're aware, but when ICS comes to the arc, or any other device with buttons, the soft buttons are disabled and it functions as normal.
Also the ICS themes for 2.3 are not at all a fair indication of the user experience. Most of the joy of ICS is its the first version of android with some degree of descent UI consistency.
I agree, the SE overlay is the best android 2.3 interface around. But android 2.3 UI sucked, it was a mess of aged, inconsistent graphics design. Sony took it and built an aged looking but more consistent UI design. Google have actually gone and made a stock UI in ICS that looks stylish enough to stand out in this world of simple, modern interface design.
But as I said, each to their own I guess I for one will be updating as soon as possible, ICS brings so many great new features to the table, as long as Sony doesn't spoil them, I think it's going to be a great update
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