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Bye bye WiMAX...

Just read this on PCWorld..
http://www.pcworld.com/article/207386/wimax_goodbye_and_good_riddance.html?tk=rss_news
Are we screwed?

Wtf... Really??
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Pcworld sucks, and so does the article. The guy says the only 4g phone is the evo. Also, doesn't mention anything about clear planning to get into lte as well. The board members resigned for antitrust issues and so they can get other investors on board.

let it die, and quit charging me the extra $10 a month.

Ok...so what does that mean for us who own a Evo?? No 4g?
If they switch to LTE will the EVO work with LTE?

No.....By the time they get LTE up and running....the evo will be obsolete and another phone with reign supreme......with LTE on board.
we will still have 4G coverage........im sure they had a contract in place for the use of their towers......comapnies just cant pull out of things such as this.

If this is the end of WiMAX then I'm getting out of my contract without the ETA. Sprint promised me 4G in my area prior to me signing up for this bull**** by the end of the year. If that ain't happening - bye bye Sprint hello Criket. Sick of this crap anyway.

timtlm said:
Pcworld sucks, and so does the article. The guy says the only 4g phone is the evo. Also, doesn't mention anything about clear planning to get into lte as well. The board members resigned for antitrust issues and so they can get other investors on board.
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Spot on.
Yeah, to this PCWorld guy the Samsung EPIC 4G must not exist. All this was about, was avioding an Antitrust issue, nothing more. Its not the death of WiMax or with Sprint & Clear using it.
How do you people get suckered by this crap from a guy who doesn't even have his information right? Com'on.

Noiro said:
Spot on.
Yeah, to this PCWorld guy the Samsung EPIC 4G must not exist. All this was about, was avioding an Antitrust issue, nothing more. Its not the death of WiMax or with Sprint & Clear using it.
How do you people get suckered by this crap from a guy who doesn't even have his information right? Com'on.
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Thats true I guess... I mean there is no definitive answer as to what exactly they are doing. I haven't seen Sprint stop rolling out their 4G so maybe its just bollox. I think they would have announced it to their customers by now.

werxen said:
Thats true I guess... I mean there is no definitive answer as to what exactly they are doing. I haven't seen Sprint stop rolling out their 4G so maybe its just bollox. I think they would have announced it to their customers by now.
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I did see another article earlier last month about Sprint exec's resigning from Clearwire. So the PCworld article is a little late...

That sucks, my area still doesn't have 4G, does this mean we never will?

Plancy said:
That sucks, my area still doesn't have 4G, does this mean we never will?
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Hopefully not... I was supposed to get 4G in my area by the end of the year. This just sucks total ass.

Wimax has been just a transitional technology from the start. It was a great idea initially, but took too long to implement and LTE is the future. Sprint WILL utilize LTE in the future, and our precious EVOs will be long forgotten by then anyway. I feel bad for anyone that was in the longhaul for CLWR since their IPO.

If you are reading this, your gay.
haha, Don't believe everything you read.
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bender u have no idea what you are talking about... just keep following verizons bs. There are over 500 wimax networks world wide. wimax isnt going anywhere

Clear has stated that they have begun lte trials, sprint has stated that they will upgrade when they feel they can justify the costs, and further stated that even after they begin supporting lte they will continue to support wimax, and there have been several instances where various representatives have stated sprint is conducting trials for voice+data on wimax so it may well replace the 1xrtt/evdo rev.a standard they are using now, its also been stated that the initial differences in wimax and lte was not hardware but software and it is possible to update wimax compatible devices to run on lte but i doubt they mean at lte speeds, the way they said it seemed to hint that it was more of a work around, on top of that japan is testing the next wimax standard which has a theoretical limit of 300Mb and they are barely testing at around 54Mb, and as for the whole resigning thing, they stated that due to some changes in law dan hessey and others would resign in the interest of both company's and that both sides discussed it thoroughly, but they keep most of the controlling interest, and they reserve the right to appoint anyone to replace them and other board members in the future should they feel the need to do so, Sprint will still maintain the presence that they did before resigning

If you read my post you would see that I said our EVOs would be long forgotten by then. Yes Sprint is going to expand their current 4g network based on wimax for some time, but they will eventually convert to LTE. They have built their infrastructure with the flexibility to eventually make the transition to LTE.
Try researching before attacking DRK!

werxen said:
If this is the end of WiMAX then I'm getting out of my contract without the ETA. Sprint promised me 4G in my area prior to me signing up for this bull**** by the end of the year. If that ain't happening - bye bye Sprint hello Criket. Sick of this crap anyway.
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Call me ill waive your etf's if you promise to leave sprint
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No doubt all of these Evos will be long gone before the LTE takeover. It will be ages before that happens. Anyway, is there anyone on this board who keeps their phone for more than a year??

ronnienyc said:
No doubt all of these Evos will be long gone before the LTE takeover. It will be ages before that happens. Anyway, is there anyone on this board who keeps their phone for more than a year??
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I know I don't...but there are some that do....

Thoughts about Sprint going to LTE

I have some theories about why Sprint might be going to LTE. Qualcomm has integrated LTE into their newer Snapdragon chips.
Meaning:
1) No need for additional wimax chip
2) Possible better integration into OS, particularly if Google adds LTE to Android.
3) Possible seamless transitions to 4G/3G
4) Mfrs. will be making LTE phones for AT&T and Veirzon. Adding Wimax for Sprint will add to design/implementation/testing cost.
5) Verizon is doing the work for Voice (and text) over LTE, may be easier to piggyback off of that than to develop it for WiMax
6) LTE is already specified/tested for the 800 Mhz bandwidth that Sprint wants to deploy 4G on whereas Wimax is not

1, sprint rushed to be the industry first with 4g.
2, Clearwire didn't have a solid financial foundation and wont give up enough control for sprints liking so they wont move forward with clear.
3,Lightsquared might just give up enough rights to there LTE network to make it profitable for sprint to make the transition seamlessly as possible with a simple chip swap in there towers and software update in house to make the transition.
There are some Pro's too this for the end user.
1, cheaper handsets, to the public
2, better pricing from the carriers

umm in a nutshell signal at 800mhz travels further and penetrates better. network infrastructure for LTE and Wimax make it easy to switch. So if you can get similar speeds, with less LTE antennas and better penetration, I cant see any reason why Sprint wouldnt make the jump. Plus Clear aint looking to good lol

good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html

Clear did a piss poor job of building out their 4g network. They were also hell bent on providing retail services to end consumers. Money was spent on providing retail services (retail employees, store front, etc) that could have been better spent on building the network.
My house doesn't get 4g, my subdivision is like an island surrounded by 4g. Just a few blocks away are a couple of apartment complexes, and there used to be a sign from Clear stating '10mb/s tested here' or something to that effect. So it almost seems like they were focused on building out a network in a way so their retail side could make more sales. The focused should have been building solid coverage. Right now 4g is too spotty and I rarely turn it on. It's only useful if you're stationary. This is in Houston, one of the first areas to get 4g.
This is all my opinion of course. I think this is why Sprint wants to build out their own lte network. Sprint wanted Clear to coordinate with Sprint on the buildout, clear wanted to do their own thing and had dreams of having a successful retail side. Now they're broke and wimax build out has slowed to a crawl.
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They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.

HondaCop said:
They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.
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Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?

cdszoke said:
Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?
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That is not where he keeps the rabbits...

sgt. slaughter said:
good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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Interesting stuff but no links or docs. Are we just supposed to take his anonymous word for it?
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sgt. slaughter said:
good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.

strung said:
This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.
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Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
the third post has the doc links supporting the LTE policy's and how they will manage the traffic.

form that link.. (which i am the OP of)
you can see how the other carriers with lte are planning to make it a toll road of it... this is 100% going to happen on lte.
wimax .. is open.. full access and should not be limited... of course anything can be designed or created to limit it.
i would rather take my chances with a maybe.. than a 100% sure pocket robbery.

sgt. slaughter said:
Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
the third post has the doc links supporting the LTE policy's and how they will manage the traffic.
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What is the source for the claim that WiMax must be a neutral network? Who enforces this?
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LTE in and of itself is open as well. It's just that there are no rules governing putting in toll roads like on WiMAX. It's just like Android is in and of itself open-source, but others (HTC Sense, MIUI, etc) can and do create closed source iterations. Sprint going LTE doesn't preclude that they will put up toll roads.

hmmm net neutrality. Very controversial topic being debated on the hill with millions of dollars of lobbyist money. I'm more worried about where Justin bieber keeps his rabbit. Now thY
at would be an announcement show.

I'm no business genius but I propose a question.
What if Sprint is just letting Clear wither away for a while so it will be cheaper to buy them up and then do whatever the hell they want to with the network?
DISCLAIMER::: Do not take this as a rumor or start an argument over how I posted this without proof. This is just a thought for a discussion.

^^^
i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.

Dan330 said:
^^^
i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.
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Yeah. It's just that officially, Sprint is a MVDO (equivalent of Cricket to Sprint) to Clear. Never understood how Sprint could be 51% owner, but yet have no direct control.

I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|

Hrshycro said:
I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|
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+9999999999 for sure.
Just ran a speed test on 3G. 148/381. Wtf.

Project Leapfrog - Sprint is going to LTE...starting now!

http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...rk-upgrade-is-un/&category=classic&postPage=1
Not sure what they're leapfrogging over, but sure.
Maybe the true EVO 2 will have LTE!
Also says something about the planned upgrade to the current CDMA network, and killing off iDEN.
Like Carbon Fiber? EVO.carbonfibermagic.com

They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.

skillzo1 said:
They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.
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That's what I think, too!

If they move to LTE, all us us evo owner's should get a free upgrade to an lte phone, as our phones will be useless for what we bought them for.

If the rest of the post is also correct, they are releasing a wimax version of the blackberry tablet later this year...which indicates they aren't phasing out wimax just yet. so, no...prolly not getting a free upgrade out of this.

tejasrichard said:
If the rest of the post is also correct, they are releasing a wimax version of the blackberry tablet later this year...which indicates they aren't phasing out wimax just yet. so, no...prolly not getting a free upgrade out of this.
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Exactly...2-3 years until they're converted to lte, so wimax as normal.

Old news that I've probably mentioned 6 times since posting in this very section. Project Leapfrog was the codename for Sprint's Network Vision. I'm just patiently waiting for Sprint/Clearwire to officially announce LTE is a go, so I could retire this topic. Sprint's ****ty 3G network will be taken care of by this same project they've mentioned since December.

skillzo1 said:
They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.
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****ing LOL....I about damn near fell off my chair.
but on to other things...yes this is old news

sitlet said:
If they move to LTE, all us us evo owner's should get a free upgrade to an lte phone, as our phones will be useless for what we bought them for.
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By that point you should have a new phone.
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zikronix said:
****ing LOL....I about damn near fell off my chair.
but on to other things...yes this is old news
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Lmfao me too
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Isn't wimax to LTE as simple as a change in software? I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the wimax chips in our evos could in theory pick up the low frequency signal of LTE. Then again, I have no idea just reposting what I've heard said elsewhere.

ryudosama said:
Isn't wimax to LTE as simple as a change in software? I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the wimax chips in our evos could in theory pick up the low frequency signal of LTE. Then again, I have no idea just reposting what I've heard said elsewhere.
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On the tower side, the hardware used in the base-stations can apparently be updated very readily -- swapping some circuit boards, and doing a software update, to make them LTE ready.
As to our phones, there is some disagreement. The LTE spec allows carriers to use frequencies in the range of those that our phones can already receive. Whether the hardware/software combination exists to let our phones receive LTE data, is up to debate. Many say no, but based on the spec, a Wimax antenna operating in the either the 800Mhz, 1.6Ghz or 2Ghz range can receive the signals (see Uplink and Downlink bands here: http://www.radio-electronics.com/in...ong-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php), but can the phone discriminate and use what it receives? Who knows...

Great move if you ask me. And I don't know about anyone else but the places I've lived and traveling the Midwest parts of the south and here in the west coast sprints 3g has been my favorite. I also have an att and T-Mobile phone for business.... now talk about ****ty coverage lol.

Here's a quick fact about 4G

AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!

the phone is called 'atrix 4g' and they are toting it as a 4g phone. How unreasonable that we might have expectations of it.. lolz

4G meaning it has the capability to do 4G! Doesn't mean it will have it right off the bat...you know when you buy the phone AT&T tells you that the 4G network isn't up. If you bought it without paying attention on what the guys told you, then it is all your fault for buying it thinking it will have 4G instantly... just give them time, AT&T is always known to have the most efficient network out of all. May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.

Mafisometal said:
..May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.
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someone is wrong on the internet, i'm calling the 4chan police.

1. Its not.capable of 4g. The htc thunderbolt is the only 4g phone. Do some research
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Will hspa+ even come close to Verizon's lte?
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LTE has currently a download peak of 326.4 Mbps (40.8 Mbps real time-speed) also counting that LTE is using a 1.4-20 MHz frequency range. LTE would have higher speed capabilities if it wasn't being hogged by the air interference, then it would possibly run at 71 Mbps real-time speed
HSPA+ is still in development and running at a download peak of 672Mbps (84 Mbps real-time speed) also counting that HPSA+ is only using a 5 MHz frequency range.
These aren't the exact fact of what AT&T or Verizon has but it is the capability, LTE has been live since 2004 globaly while HSPA+ has only been up since 2009. LTE is becoming old while HSPA WILL be the future. Just because LTE is currently faster doesn't mean it will be for long. When HSPA+ goes fully live with AT&T you may see a quicker speed, There are networks around the world that put HSPA+ up currently at 42 Mbps real-time

What if the Thunderbolt wouldn't have LTE until next year?
It would be laughed to the curb. The only reason people still by atrixs is because we've become accustomed to AT&T being a bunch of greedy cheapskates.

At&T says you "might see speeds up to approximately 6mbps [at best]"
http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115947
(the link isn't broken, just click on it, and wait about 5 secs.

The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc

also i forgot to say, AT&T will be using HSPA+ as an addon because LTE will soon be introduced to them sometime at the end of this year....so yeah utilizing more antennas meaning more speeds... =)

Yeah, I don't think people are as upset about not getting 4G speeds as they are upset about very often not even getting 3G speeds. The upload speeds on this phone are atrocious, and quite often the download speeds are as well.
But, hey, thanks for your post containing information we all already know.

Mafisometal said:
AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!
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It's funny that you titled this "quick fact" when you haven't stated any facts whatsoever. You sound like an AT&T press statement. Plus, you can't compare the Atrix, or the Inspire for that matter, to the iPhone. Whereas the iPhone had sold over a million in the first 3 months of it's release, I doubt the Atrix and Inspire will reach 100,000 in that same time frame combined. This was deceptive marketing, plain and simple. AT&T covers their butt with small print and they more than likely trained the employees to avoid discussion on actual H+ rollout. There's a reason the story made it to Engadget and other tech sites when it was found that data speeds were capped on these phones, it's because AT&T didn't want anyone to know.

The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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jange said:
The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc
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The thing is that theres more than 200million wireless users in America and have to share the OTA data bandwidth. In Sweden theres a lot less people therefore everyone gets faster speeds.

For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.

the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...

drock212 said:
The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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neotekz said:
the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...
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Not to me, an ATT rep would know that ATT claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time admitting that backhaul is far from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.

Jim_R said:
Not to me, an Art rep would know that Art claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time.admitting that nackhaul is far.from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the.justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.
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Regardless if he's a rep or not, for the most part a forum like XDA was created as an act of defiance to the restrictions that carriers and manufactures have imposed on their products. So, why would anyone want to come in here and defend AT&T, or any carrier/manufacturer? It automatically makes you sound like a "plant".
I'm not trying to negate what you are saying, I agree with you. I just wanted to throw that out there.

bsinc1962 said:
For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.
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Where can you go 200mph legally(or over 70 even in the US)? That's what I don't get. I understand high speed internet for home computers, you download and stream stuff all day. But on a cellphone, 3-4mbps is plenty fast.
'But I pay for 4g speeds!'​
No you don't. You pay the same as any 3g device, with the same exact service. Get over yourself.

AT&T Turns Off 4G on New Motorola and HTC Phones?

When is a 4G plan just a 3G plan? You will have to ask AT&T since the communications giant has flipped the switch on the new smartphones. AT&T has been pelted with customer complaints, so instead of fixing the problem, the company simply turned off the 4G capabilities. Neat solution, no?
For AT&T's consumer and small-business customers, however, two years is a device lifetime, Pierce noted. "AT&T's HSUPA lapse is certainly providing 4G-hungry customers with ample reason to seek out other providers," she added. ​
http://www.hardocp.com/news/2011/04/02/att_turns_off_4g_on_new_motorola_htc_phones/

They didn't turn anything off. HSUPA simply hasn't been enabled yet. Their response to the complaints was an explanation, not the process of turning off 4G. 4G upload speeds have been off from the beginning and will be off until they deem the network ready.

We're getting HSUPA this month
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Last date I heard was the week of the 4th.

Exwoodchuck said:
Last date I heard was the week of the 4th.
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Like April 4th or July 4th?

redz22 said:
Like April 4th or July 4th?
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That would be April 4th he's talking about. FCC is forcing AT&T to enable HSUPA/HSPA+.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-inspire-4g-to-finally-get-real-att-4g-access-after-fcc-filing-25142654/
The article says Inspire, but it goes for every '4g' phone out there.

That article talks about HTC requesting and receiving permission from the FCC to enable the "4G" part of the phone. Has nothing to for with Motorola or when they will update their software
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people are confused about HSUPA.
HSUPA, while mildly helps download, its primary feature is boosting upload speeds. This will not make "4g" better, but will give you speeds phones like the iphone or unlocked phones have had for over a year.

_Dennis_ said:
That article talks about HTC requesting and receiving permission from the FCC to enable the "4G" part of the phone. Has nothing to for with Motorola or when they will update their software
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I know. I already said that. If you read it completely, it also said other 4G phones. Please read before saying that it doesn't apply to us.
Here you go, Mr.Nitpicker: http://www.androidcentral.com/atrix-4g-inspire-4g-get-their-big-boy-hspua-pants-april-att-says
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people are confused about HSUPA.
HSUPA, while mildly helps download, its primary feature is boosting upload speeds. This will not make "4g" better, but will give you speeds phones like the iphone or unlocked phones have had for over a year.
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Most people understand HSUPA is upload, and that we're not going to get 20 mbps down.

PixoNova said:
That would be April 4th he's talking about. FCC is forcing AT&T to enable HSUPA/HSPA+.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-inspire-4g-to-finally-get-real-att-4g-access-after-fcc-filing-25142654/
The article says Inspire, but it goes for every '4g' phone out there.
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What are you talking about? The FCC isn't forcing anything...they couldn't care less. HTC informed the FCC that they want to enable HSUPA on the Inspire and the FCC granted their request after a few weeks of testing. They hope to have the patch out soon, but that's all up to AT&T...HTC has no control over whether the phone gets a patch. They will give the patch to AT&T and AT&T will decide when to OTA it to the phones.
The same exact thing is true for Motorola and the Atrix. Motorola has made the filing with the FCC for a patch, but to my knowledge it hasn't even been approved yet and even when it is...it still comes down to when AT&T wants to implement it. I'm not sure you understand how filing is done with the FCC...
And to the OP: You literally just copied and pasted the article with absolutely not a word from yourself. On top of that, it's incorrect. There's no "switch" that AT&T has flipped. They're enabling 4G across the country slowly in a few select markets and they expect to have it ready to go in the next month or 2. Once they're ready they'll enable it cross-country...but until then they haven't "turned off" anything...it was never on.
Furthermore, if you would have followed the link you'd find, at least, that *THAT* particular piece of information is correct in the original article...but they're wrong about just about everything else. The thing people don't realize is that HSUPA is *NOT* 4G...it's been around on AT&T's network for the past year or 2 already...the problem is the iPhones are the only devices that make use of it. HSPA+ is what AT&T is considering 4G...and *THAT* is the reason these phones are called 4G phones (because they'll be able to use it probably around summer or earlier).
As well, Lisa Pierce is a lunatic (the contributor to the article). She makes the point that AT&T isn't enabling HSUPA (which she consistently calls AT&T's 4G service...despite it only being an Upload data-connection...when she means to say HSPA+) because of their possible acquisition of T-Mobile and the soon-to-come LTE network. The problem with that "theory" is that AT&T had their HSPA+ and LTE structure planned out well before vying for T-Mobile's shares. They've said for a year they hope to have HSPA+ out by around this summer with LTE late 2011 to early 2012. None of that has changed...

Read the article then read my reply. You claimed the FCC forced AT&T to enable HSUPA and it does not say that. Only that HTC applied for and was granted permission to apply a patch to the captivate.
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You poor buggers are getting screwed, regardless of who's a lunatic and who's switching what

_Dennis_ said:
Read the article then read my reply. You claimed the FCC forced AT&T to enable HSUPA and it does not say that. Only that HTC applied for and was granted permission to apply a patch to the captivate.
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Nevermind, you obviously can't read.

PixoNova said:
Nevermind, you obviously can't read.
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Are you in complete denial? Multiple people have told you that you're completely incorrect in your assessment of the article...and you're telling everyone they're wrong?
I promise you we're not...

I've already posted it in other threads... as have other people.... so might as well post it here, too.
http://gizmodo.com/#!5787170/atts-fake-4g-phones-may-actually-get-real-4g-soon
I'd trust Gizmodo/Wired's word over hardocp.