I'm thinking about getting an HD2 in the near future due to its hackability. I saw that there is the global HD2 (HTC branded), TMO branded, and the US Cellular one. Is there a difference? I saw a huge price difference on eBay. If so which one is best?
It depends if you want 3G with your carrier.. Each HD2 has a different 3G band so make sure that if and when you do get one that its compatible with your carriers 3G or else be stuck with EDGE
And the Tmobile US HD2 has a 1G nand while the others have 512MB.. So the Tmo HD2 has more memory, but for now its only taken advantage of with Windows Mobile 6.5... MAGLDR had to stay compatible with all the HD2 models so it only uses 512MB and then thats available to Android/WP7.. Software wise the Tmobile HD2 can not use radio firmwares that have .51 since those are for the other international Versions and using any of those radios will brick your phone and just be an expensive pile of plastic an metal
Difference between all of them
Memory (nand)
3G Frequency Bands
And in some cases Build Quality
hakuchi18v said:
It depends if you want 3G with your carrier.. Each HD2 has a different 3G band so make sure that if and when you do get one that its compatible with your carriers 3G or else be stuck with EDGE
And the Tmobile US HD2 has a 1G nand while the others have 512MB.. So the Tmo HD2 has more memory, but for now its only taken advantage of with Windows Mobile 6.5... MAGLDR had to stay compatible with all the HD2 models so it only uses 512MB and then thats available to Android/WP7.. Software wise the Tmobile HD2 can not use radio firmwares that have .51 since those are for the other international Versions and using any of those radios will brick your phone and just be an expensive pile of plastic an metal
Difference between all of them
Memory (nand)
3G Frequency Bands
And in some cases Build Quality
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Let iterate some here.
The International version has 512MB of flash memory (NAND memory) and 448MB of RAM.
The T-Mobile US version has 1024 MB of flash memory (NAND memory) and 576MB of RAM.
The T-Mobile (TMOUS) HD2 can not be flashed with a 2.04.50.xx, 2.5.50.xx, or any x.xx.51.xx radio version or youcwill brick it.
As for 3G you are correct in that part, but only the T-Mobile US HD2 and the Telstra T9193 HD2 (Australian HD2) are victims to not being whale to use 3G with every carrier.
MAGLDR was made compatible with the T-Mobile HD2 this making it sort of the same as a 3.14 Win Mo ROM that once combined with a 2.05.50.02 radio or a 2.15.50.14 radio it unlocks the extra 128MB of RAM in a international HD2.
Thanks for the replies. I really don't care about 3G bands here in the US (will mostly be using my HTC Incredible) and will probably use it for wifi only, but I do go to China a few times a year so I have a local sim card. I think that would make it best if I got the international version, right?
So MAGLDR is a bootloader that allows you to use Android and WP7 right? I'm not sure if I'm clear on what happens: Even though the TMOUS version has bigger NAND and more RAM the NAND can't be used in other OSs, just WM6, and the 128 MB ram in the International version can be unlocked?
Thanks for helping a noob
pianoplayer said:
Thanks for the replies. I really don't care about 3G bands here in the US (will mostly be using my HTC Incredible) and will probably use it for wifi only, but I do go to China a few times a year so I have a local sim card. I think that would make it best if I got the international version, right?
So MAGLDR is a bootloader that allows you to use Android and WP7 right? I'm not sure if I'm clear on what happens: Even though the TMOUS version has bigger NAND and more RAM the NAND can't be used in other OSs, just WM6, and the 128 MB ram in the International version can be unlocked?
Thanks for helping a noob
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Yes you are right about MAGLDR it is a bootloader that allows you to boot Android or WP7 from NAND. The way MAGLDR works is it runs after the original bootloader of the HD2 so you don't lose it. MAGLDR is flashed just like a ROM and is stored in the ROM partition of the NAND memory. But MAGLDR is more than just a bootloader though. If you have not already checked it out, click on my guide linked in my sig. I give a total break down of MAGLDR and all of it's options.
If you install a NAND Android ROM or WP7 using MAGLDR it is in the NAND memory and Windows Mobile is gone. When you power on the HD2 you will see MAGLDRCfor a couple of secounds and then your ROM boots.
There is also another bootloader that is just for Android ROMs on HD2 call Cedesmiths (L]little (K)kernel or cLK that allows you to use ADB fastboot commands. Unlike MAGLDR with cLK you can charge your HD2 while it is turned off. You can actually us ROM manager with it, and PPP. Using cLK your HD2 boots striaght to the Android ROM just like a native Android device, you do not see the bootloader like you do with MAGLDR. the cLK has made the HD2 as close to a native Android device as it can be.
hakuchi18v said:
MAGLDR had to stay compatible with all the HD2 models so it only uses 512MB and then thats available to Android/WP7.
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Let me make a correction here. You can use all of the NAND on a TMOUS Android ROM and not just 512, that's why you can flash DHD ROMs without having to have sd ext stuff on a TMOUS HD2 but not on a euro HD2, because it has more NAND.
WP7 is the only thing that basically treats your phone as if it only has 512 NAND, so for Android NAND the TMOUS HD2 is actually better.
Also tmous is ~1mm taller...
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I have searched and searched and for some reason I can't find the answer.
I would like to try out the new WP7, but I need a radio that suports 576 of RAM.
Specs:
Stock T-mobile US
Radio 2.15.50.14
I have done nothing to the phone yet and don't want to screw it up and have my wife yelling at me. (and if I screw my phone up, trust me she will yell for days) So before I just did it I thouhgt I would ask.
And yes, I really did search before I asked. Sorry but I couldn't find the answer.
any t-mobile us radios support 576 of ram, so you are good to go.
I have a 576 MB RAM HD2 running WP7 and I am using the same Radio as you.
Just out of interest, are you sure your HD2 is not the T-Mobile 1024 MB model?
After looking I do have the 1024, So that means that I will have no issues?
how_weird said:
After looking I do have the 1024, So that means that I will have no issues?
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wp7 works but only uses 512mb of rom...
With a TMO US HD2 you have 1024MB ROM, and 576MB RAM.
any radio above 2.08 supports 576 ram..that is why we need radio above 2.08 even to run android...............your tmous well supports this and has 576mb ram enabled...so go ahead flash hspl and android nand / wp7, enjoy
Is this true of the UK HD2 as well?
So any radio above 2.08 will support 576 RAM, even non-us tmobile versions?
Thanks a lot
brunswick said:
Is this true of the UK HD2 as well?
So any radio above 2.08 will support 576 RAM, even non-us tmobile versions?
Thanks a lot
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Yes any 2.08 or higher Radio will enable the 576 MB of ram on a EU HD2.
will just flashing to the newer radio enable the higher ram capacity to be unlocked using the stock win mobile 6.5 rom? or does a custom rom also have to be used in conjunction with the updated radio rom?
slybunda said:
will just flashing to the newer radio enable the higher ram capacity to be unlocked using the stock win mobile 6.5 rom? or does a custom rom also have to be used in conjunction with the updated radio rom?
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The combination of a Radio of 2.08 or higher and a TMOUS Windows Mobile stock ROMs or TMOUS based custom Windows Mobile ROMs, or MAGLDR 1.13 enables the 576 MB of RAM.
thanks for the reply, is there any problem using the newer radio rom or the TMOUS on a UK HD2, i plan on using the phone with my UK T-Mobile carrier.
only tmous owners must be careful, our regular hd2s can take any radio, any rom. Only tmous must never flash a regular radio.
hi
i wish to get an HTC LEO insted my Captivate whice is kindda boooooring phone
is there any chance to unlock the extra memory from 448 to 576mb ram
after installing androind as primary OS?
Just flash the latest radio
Try this one Radio 2.15.50.14
don't use a 51 version
I may be wrong but I thought you had to have a TMOUS ROM (or stleast a ROM dazed from a TMOUS ROM) and a TMOUS radio to get the etrade memory. If this is so you will lose it when. you flash a NAND Andriod ROM. Like I said though I could be wrong.
T-Macgnolia said:
I may be wrong but I thought you had to have a TMOUS ROM (or stleast a ROM dazed from a TMOUS ROM) and a TMOUS radio to get the etrade memory. If this is so you will lose it when. you flash a NAND Andriod ROM. Like I said though I could be wrong.
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the latest 2.15.50 radio enables the 576 memory... since the radio is at the base of the hd 2 a rom flash of android or windows won't erase it. now stock wm6.5 roms have radios built in so in those cases it will replace it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=929917
i installed AmericanAndroid in SD card but the total memory available(RAM) is only 411 ( settings>about) though the Tmobile HD2 has RAm of 576 MB.
i m not about to figure out why
We all show 411. For a start (as documented countless times) the graphics chipset takes 128 Meg, so you only really have 448, (same in winmo) then I guess android or the system must take 30 odd meg,
I've tried five or six different nand roms and they all show 411.
Ok thanks for the clatification just to confirm r u also using tmobile hd2 US version
no, but magldr unlocks the extra ram on a reg leo in the same way that tmous rom and radio does in winmo, otherwise mine would show 283 not 411 (or there abouts) since as stock we have 448 - 128 for graphics = 336 actually available.
Thats why we reg users must use ..50.. radios with magldr.
samsamuel said:
no, but magldr unlocks the extra ram on a reg leo in the same way that tmous rom and radio does in winmo, otherwise mine would show 283 not 411 (or there abouts) since as stock we have 448 - 128 for graphics = 336 actually available.
Thats why we reg users must use ..50.. radios with magldr.
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i couldn't understand most of what you said .. are you saying that there are specific MAGLDR and RADIO version to enable full RAM capacity for TMOUS HD2?
and as i understand u r also using TMOUS HD2 and you also getting 411 MB total available memory in Androids builds.. if that is so then i dont have anymore query . because you know more of this stuff than me.. i just put android in my TMOUS HD2 yesterday..
also i m using Radio Leo 2.15.50.14 Radio version and MAGLDR113_DAF MAGLDR..
No, I'm using a normal Leo, (euro hd2, regular, whatever you wanna call it) which is sold as having 448 Meg of ram, with 128 for gfx, 320 useable, ( yours has 576 with 448 useable) but was soon discovered that flashing tmous roms and radio to it unlocks an otherwise hidden 128 Meg, giving us 576 meg too.(don't anyone bother asking is it real, the software believes it, many many people with a ton more knowledge than me believe it, it works, nuff said)
Anyway, magldr requires a tmous radio to work(none of this affects you, you can't not have a tmous radio else you would have a brick) and magldr plus tmous radio does the same for us reg users as a tmous winmo rom and radio, unlocks our hidden ram and so we all have 576-128less a bit more =411 available to the OS
You DO NOT have hidden ram, so don't ask.
Oh thanks that brings a lot of clarity to my understanding. So basically tmous which were sold with have larger ram of 576 and the other non US hd2 sold with said 448 ram are basically same in terms if ram hardware capacity. When i bought hd2 i paid special attention to tmous hd2 necause it ad larger ram capacity bow i realise both tmous and non US hd2 are same.
what about the internal ROM capacity is it also hidden and discovered in the case of non US hd2
Thanks a lot for your clariication
No, there's no hidden rom (well, not that anyone has found, be nice tho!) So you still have double rom PLUS the tmouses were pretty heavily subsidised, (I paid near 175 dollars cash plus 18 months at 60 dollars/mth contract ((all in pounds, I'm estimating)) for mine) so don't feel you were ripped off. The only negative with the tmous is the danger of radio bricking and the ugly branding on the case.
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No, there's no hidden rom (well, not that anyone has found, be nice tho!) So you still have double rom PLUS the tmouses were pretty heavily subsidised, (I paid near 175 dollars cash plus 18 months at 60 dollars/mth contract ((all in pounds, I'm estimating)) for mine) so don't feel you were ripped off. The only negative with the tmous is the danger of radio bricking and the ugly branding on the case.
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Yeah I do very much dislike the big silver T-Mobile on the front of my HD2, but ohcwell what are you gonna do you know.
T-Macgnolia said:
Yeah I do very much dislike the big silver T-Mobile on the front of my HD2, but ohcwell what are you gonna do you know.
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small price to pay for the extra rom, a bit like complaining how much the prancing pony spoils the look of your ferrari, hehe.
Please help..........
My Tmous showing 372.73 MB total memory, I have flashed with " 2_HD2_Pdaimatejam_Rom_Wp7.5_mango_7.10.8107.79_v7.3"
Please reply what is the issue?
Thanks in advance
I have WM 6.5 and american android SD 2.3.7 . When I have SPL 2,08 HSPL I have on my HTC HD2 all the RAM unlocked and when I change to SPL 3,03 HSPL I have only 448 MB in WM 6.5 and 411 MB in android.
I think that using SPL 2,08 HSPL unlock the whole RAM in HTC HD2.
Samuelgentl said:
I have WM 6.5 and american android SD 2.3.7 . When I have SPL 2,08 HSPL I have on my HTC HD2 all the RAM unlocked and when I change to SPL 3,03 HSPL I have only 448 MB in WM 6.5 and 411 MB in android.
I think that using SPL 2,08 HSPL unlock the whole RAM in HTC HD2.
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I have HSPL 2.08....
And I think Tmous HD2 doesn't need to unlock ram... because its originally shows 512 mb.
But I don't know why my Tmous showing this less amount of ram.
Samuelgentl said:
I have WM 6.5 and american android SD 2.3.7 . When I have SPL 2,08 HSPL I have on my HTC HD2 all the RAM unlocked and when I change to SPL 3,03 HSPL I have only 448 MB in WM 6.5 and 411 MB in android.
I think that using SPL 2,08 HSPL unlock the whole RAM in HTC HD2.
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Didn't you even bother reading the first page of this thread?! Some people can be so stupid...
NO, THERE IS NO HIDDEN RAM WHICH CAN BE UNLOCKED. IN ANDROID YOU WILL GET 411 MB AND NOTHING MORE.
Also, why would you even need any form of HSPL for SD Android? It's not needed, and why would you flash HSPL3.03 rather than 2.08?
I had a T-Mobile HD2. It got broken and was changed for an EU version.
I'm in the process to install NativeSD Android version and I can report what I noticed on my device.
It is running windows. No modification. WM 6.5 (5.2.21913; ROM 3.14.407.2 (04666) GER).
Before I setup the SPL to 2.08.HSPL, it was showing 411 MB of RAM. Now, after the 2.08, it is showing 576 MB.
(still on Win 6.5. I don't know how it is going to stay after installing the NativeSD Android)
So, maybe it is right...
Updating again...
After installing the Native-SD Android, the device shows 410 MB.
Here I found a possible explanation:
"NOTE2: You do NOT need to flash a Stock Rom before starting this, a Custom Rom will be fine as long as you have HardSPL 2.08 and a 576 RAM compatable Radio"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
So, it was showing 576 MB after update the radio and using WM.
After installing Native-SD Android, it shows only 410 MB.
Boni08 said:
Updating again...
After installing the Native-SD Android, the device shows 410 MB.
Here I found a possible explanation:
"NOTE2: You do NOT need to flash a Stock Rom before starting this, a Custom Rom will be fine as long as you have HardSPL 2.08 and a 576 RAM compatable Radio"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
So, it was showing 576 MB after update the radio and using WM.
After installing Native-SD Android, it shows only 410 MB.
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same for everyone.
Did any brother know how to use all 576mb ram for this ROM?or it is using now?
If you are talking about unlocking the extra 128MB of RAM in the EU HD2s with the right radio and ROM combonation. Then yes MAGLDR unlocks the RAM that is one reason you have to have a 2.07.50.xx or higher radio to use MAGLDR.
hi i have a second hand phone where housing is chnaged and i want to update windows. i dont know whether my phone is t mobile oe at&t or vodaaphone or europe or asian version ..
but my phone is htc hd2 it shows in hardware information on windows 6.5
HTC HD2 T8585
rom ram size 576MB
R 2.15.50.14 radio version
G 15.42.50.11u protocol version
2.5.20181527.0 manila version
5.2.21913(21913.5.0.94)
D 3.14.04666
3.14.405.2(04666) wwe (rom version)
s/n HT01PNW02128
P/N 99HJY016-00
IMEI 354120034739696
pls help me how to find out
That is the euro version
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA
whats is euro version can u please tell me wht windows rom have i suppose to download to install my phone because it gets struck or restarts my phone in middle of using..
also i dont get boot menu options in boot loader screen in tricolour screen y?
asikpro said:
whats is euro version can u please tell me wht windows rom have i suppose to download to install my phone because it gets struck or restarts my phone in middle of using..
also i dont get boot menu options in boot loader screen in tricolour screen y?
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That's the latest version of WinMo you can get anyway (in firmware that is), and have you even bothered doing ANY reading whatsoever? There are dozens of 'what is my HD2' threads, it's not at all difficult to understand. When you say 'Vodafone, AT&T' etc. those are just the carriers.
afaik there are two versions of the HD2. One EU version which has 576mb ROM/RAM and a Tmobile US version with 1024mb RAM/ROM.
EDIT: this is incorrect
andivirus said:
afaik there are two versions of the HD2. One EU version which has 576mb ROM/RAM and a Tmobile US version with 1024mb RAM/ROM.
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EU HD2 has 512Mb ROM, and TMOUS has 576Mb RAM, i.e the only difference between the two is the ROM, not RAM.
Nigeldg said:
EU HD2 has 512Mb ROM, and TMOUS has 576Mb RAM, i.e the only difference between the two is the ROM, not RAM.
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That is half correct the tmobile has more ram for the user avaliable and eu has 128 mb dedicated to gpu
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Thealshear said:
That is half correct the tmobile has more ram for the user avaliable and eu has 128 mb dedicated to gpu
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA
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I think the story's the same with the TMOUS one. From what I understand the radio version which originally came with the EU HD2 limited it to 448Mb RAM but the later WinMo official ROMs used the TMOUS .50 radio enabling full RAM access. The hardware in this respect was the same for both of them, it was just a software limit. However, I may well be wrong as I never had to change my radio so please correct me if this is the case, I don't want to be spreading incorrect information to people
@OP You don't need to worry about any of this by the way, it's largely for the benefit of my own understanding
asikpro said:
hi i have a second hand phone where housing is chnaged and i want to update windows. i dont know whether my phone is t mobile oe at&t or vodaaphone or europe or asian version ..
but my phone is htc hd2 it shows in hardware information on windows 6.5
HTC HD2 T8585
rom ram size 576MB
R 2.15.50.14 radio version
G 15.42.50.11u protocol version
2.5.20181527.0 manila version
5.2.21913(21913.5.0.94)
D 3.14.04666
3.14.405.2(04666) wwe (rom version)
s/n HT01PNW02128
P/N 99HJY016-00
IMEI 354120034739696
pls help me how to find out
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You have the latest version of Windows mobile installed and Asian and European models are the same, just T-Mobile US models are different.
Your Radio is supporting 576 MB RAM and your carrier may branded the phone.
You can find out about it if it's branded to look at the Start Menu, look at the boot screen logo because its a tipycal type of customisation of the HD2. Vodafone and T-Mobile has a massive amount of customisation on the Software, if you can not find anything in Start Menu neither the boot screen is standard HTC than that means you phone is unbranded and it is not carrier dependent on software.
please help with my hd2 screen
my mobile with P/N 99HJY016-00
plug type not soldiered
i've broken screen and i want to replace with a new one
should i buy for t-mobile
or another type
please help
Thealshear said:
That is half correct the tmobile has more ram for the user avaliable and eu has 128 mb dedicated to gpu
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA
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TMOUS needs dedicated RAM too, but available RAM depends on (for both models): SPL version, Radio version and ROM version. In wrong combinations only about 300 MB are for user, older EU HD2 had 448 MB, but with latest version of SPL. Radio and ROM it has 576 MB available just like TMOUS version.