Amongst the many reasons I love my X10 are the display and the 8MP camera, the latter of which, to my surprise, needs improvement (to say the least). I'm of course referring to the Xperia X10 versus iPhone 4 comparison photos, as can be found via Google.
It's not the software I'm concerned with, as I can always get around it one way or another; it's the hardware, and what it's capable of. Just this past weekend, I was at a family dinner, and was quite dissapointed with not just the time it took to take a shot, but more importantly the lack of detail & overall quality. Meanwhile, my sister boasted her iPhone 4 and received all the compliments, whereas people lost patience with me standing there going, "wait for it... wait for it! Where are you going? Damnit!"
Let's face it, the i4 clearly takes better pictures, and the bluish purplish discoloration is rarely ever an issue with indoor shots. Even I was quite impressed with the shots my sister had taken with her i4, while mine were just not noteworthy.
I'm well aware that megapixels mean little to nothing with respect to the quality, but I expected much better from Sony. So, my question is, is there anything I can do to "improve" or "enhance" the X10's camera capability? Or is this really the X10's full potential?
get vignette from the market.....
Will vastly improve your shots
the time it takes to take a photo is still an issue though.
and motion blurring while trying to take a phpto is a right pain in the rear! took my several goes to try and get a self shot of me and my GF the other day cause it moves as i try and press the camera button..
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the time it takes to take a photo is still an issue though.
and motion blurring while trying to take a phpto is a right pain in the rear! took my several goes to try and get a self shot of me and my GF the other day cause it moves as i try and press the camera button..
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use touch to capture, disable image stabilization, use vignette, install the v10 camera mod. the only problems i have are in low lighting, which no cell camera will work well in.
here are some sample pics i've taken
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also the big diff is iphone 4 has 65 million colors so pictures seems to be better,but if u transfer a pic from iphone4 to your experia and do the reverse the pic from your phone will look better in iphone4 than than the iphone4 pic in X10....
regarding slowness of camera,yeah that is an issue,but it is improved in arc,arc can take like 1 picture in less than a second. hope after GB upgrade we might transfer that to X10
Let's have a look on the camera apk which is in the latest ROM of Trip..
I can take 2 photos in something like 3 seconds or less..
Ive compared my x10 to the iphone 4 in terms of picture quality...and i clearly see the x10 is better. Iphone 4 was really oversaturated. If you know what your doing with a camera, you can take good pictures.
First thing with the stock x10 camera is turn off image stabalization as that makes the quality bad. To much compression and blur.
Second, i just recently discovered how much better the x10 stock cam is when you use the EV balance effectively. Im a big fan of vignette, but lately my stock x10 cam is taking much nicer shots when i properly use EV balance. I was amazed at the difference.
Metering modes also plays a roll in better pictures....i use center weighted for the majority, but sometimes spot metering is very useful depending on what im taking a picture of and how the light is shinning on my subject.
Also, a steady hand is important.
You dont need the camera mod app as you might end up frustrated with sound/video delay in your video recording. Trust me, EV balance is your best friend with the stock cam.
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I recommend to look on this
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111&start=405
Esato have a lot of people who knows a lot about photography and there are some devs that used to make drivers to "old" phones like c905 k850 and all...
This thread is only for x10 pics taken from users.
Bye!
fiscidtox said:
get vignette from the market.....
Will vastly improve your shots
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+1...thats my 2 cents
Wow, I'm overwhelmed by those shots 28spawn; especially the ones taken by "mode", it's hard to believe he's using an X10!
I'm currently running Wolf's latest 6.1.3 v06, and I don't see any EV balance controls in the camera app, nor did I find any in Vignette. Am I doing something wrong or missing something, because I'd hate to have to revert back to stock just for this.
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Wow, I'm overwhelmed by those shots 28spawn; especially the ones taken by "mode", it's hard to believe he's using an X10!
I'm currently running Wolf's latest 6.1.3 v06, and I don't see any EV balance controls in the camera app, nor did I find any in Vignette. Am I doing something wrong or missing something, because I'd hate to have to revert back to stock just for this.
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Your only gonna find EV control on the stock camera. Which has been a thrill to use. My pictures are fantastic.
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I use Camera360 Ultimate and with it the X10 camera pictures destroys the iPhone 4 pictures. No contest.
taken with vignette when i still had the factory 2.1 rom.
I had to revert to 2.1 from 2.2 ROMs just because a lack of EV correction in 2.2 camera apks and NO dev gave me answer if we will have it in the future... Its cruel as I loved 2.2 (CM 6.1.3) so much. Im taking loads of pictures on vacations, trips and without EV its almost impossible to take good photos... Everybody is posting good quality photos but nobody says how much photos wasnt so good and in many situations you dont have time for playing with settings and trying to take good photo...
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I had to revert to 2.1 from 2.2 ROMs just because a lack of EV correction in 2.2 camera apks and NO dev gave me answer if we will have it in the future... Its cruel as I loved 2.2 (CM 6.1.3) so much. Im taking loads of pictures on vacations, trips and without EV its almost impossible to take good photos... Everybody is posting good quality photos but nobody says how much photos wasnt so good and in many situations you dont have time for playing with settings and trying to take good photo...
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Thats one of the big reasons why i have decided to stay on stock 2.1 now. No EV control in any other roms or apps from the market. I take a crap load of pictures, and lately EV has been my best friend. Cant go without it now.
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i find camera360 app takes great photos myself, give it a try
I hate to be skeptical but I am really doubtful this was taken by an x10
If it genuinely is, mind=blown.
kantk20111 said:
I use Camera360 Ultimate and with it the X10 camera pictures destroys the iPhone 4 pictures. No contest.
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+1...camera 360 is the best imo!!
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dogwoofer said:
I hate to be skeptical but I am really doubtful this was taken by an x10
If it genuinely is, mind=blown.
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Why don't you think it's from a X10?
He just did a macro, then the background gets like that.
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My friend always complain about camera start-up time and crappy pics it takes and then pulls out its iphone and snaps pics in a jiffy.Share your experience.
Need 5 touch/clicks to make a call.. my frnd wid desire always makes fun of it
actually the photo result of X10 camera is better than iPhone 4, even using stock camera app.
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Taken with X10
Taken with iPhone 4
Notice that the one taken by iPhone has a less color range than one taken by X10. But i agree with the camera laggy start up time
But compared to iPhone 4, X10 camera have a lot of advantages, you can set the exposure compensation, face detection, smile detection, average metering, spot metering, image stabilizer, multiple autofocus. While iPhone 4 camera is just a point and shoot only.
I say X10 beats iPhone 4 in term of functional camera and video camera except for the flash . You can try taking video with iPhone 4 and taking video with X10, see which one is shaky.
so my opinion, nothing to be embarrassed about.
Constant phone reboots and 40% chance of drop call from x10.
On my Storm 1? Zip.
And storm one was HORRIBLE.
But I think I went from Worst to THE WORST.
Sad.
Tried to show off when i hadn't had my phone very long. Wasn't used to the damn speed of the touch screen.
"Here look at this, oh on wait i didn't mean to press that, crap nor that either, hang on a sec and i'll go back, right let's try that again, now look at this .... DOH"
Angie xx
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xeviro said:
actually the photo result of X10 camera is better than iPhone 4, even using stock camera app.
Taken with X10
Taken with iPhone 4
Notice that the one taken by iPhone has a less color range than one taken by X10. But i agree with the camera laggy start up time
But compared to iPhone 4, X10 camera have a lot of advantages, you can set the exposure compensation, face detection, smile detection, average metering, spot metering, image stabilizer, multiple autofocus. While iPhone 4 camera is just a point and shoot only.
I say X10 beats iPhone 4 in term of functional camera and video camera except for the flash . You can try taking video with iPhone 4 and taking video with X10, see which one is shaky.
so my opinion, nothing to be embarrassed about.
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It would be nice to see more x10 vs iPhone4 photos in different conditions(night without flash, with flash, sunlight, macro, etc)
xeviro said:
actually the photo result of X10 camera is better than iPhone 4, even using stock camera app.
Taken with X10
Taken with iPhone 4
Notice that the one taken by iPhone has a less color range than one taken by X10. But i agree with the camera laggy start up time
But compared to iPhone 4, X10 camera have a lot of advantages, you can set the exposure compensation, face detection, smile detection, average metering, spot metering, image stabilizer, multiple autofocus. While iPhone 4 camera is just a point and shoot only.
I say X10 beats iPhone 4 in term of functional camera and video camera except for the flash . You can try taking video with iPhone 4 and taking video with X10, see which one is shaky.
so my opinion, nothing to be embarrassed about.
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Bro, N82 and other 8mp beats it with ease.For a noob, it is hard to capture a photo.
isthisreallife said:
Bro, N82 and other 8mp beats it with ease.For a noob, it is hard to capture a photo.
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right. iphone 4 can capture pictures WAY better than that...
we'll be getting 720p HD videos in 2.1 too.. @24 fps (or even less). iPhone can do that at 30fps.
Sadly X10's camera isn't anything special, but that's fair enough for a phone. If the X10 had no camera and the same specs with Froyo I'd buy it anyway
Anyway, my embarassing moment was when me and my friend who's got an iPhone4 played the same game (fruit ninja) on our two phones, and we could definitely assure that gaming on the iPhone is... another world. X10 is SOOOO slow and the iphone way too fast
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Anyway, my embarassing moment was when me and my friend who's got an iPhone4 played the same game (fruit ninja) on our two phones, and we could definitely assure that gaming on the iPhone is... another world. X10 is SOOOO slow and the iphone way too fast
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Can you even play that game? I tried it and couldn't cut most of the fruits. Lost in about 15 seconds
worst moment was when i sent a text and i completely typed a senseless thing, and it was to a girl :s
Well, Dell announced that the Streak is skipping 2.1 and going straight to Froyo.
Now the X10 will be the only high end smartphone with 2.1 We are unique
pngface said:
Well, Dell announced that the Streak is skipping 2.1 and going straight to Froyo.
Now the X10 will be the only high end smartphone with 2.1 We are unique
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I just imagined a pc with an intel core i7 extreme wuth w98 Dx
.............and 65k color screen
.............and no multitouch (though this won't matter on a pc, but assume you meant a tablet )
isthisreallife said:
Bro, N82 and other 8mp beats it with ease.For a noob, it is hard to capture a photo.
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I agree with you, most of high end Nokia phone is using Carl Zeiss lens and the Sony Ericsson Cybershot series beats X10 as well. But the quality is decent compared to iPhone 4, i was replying for the OP comparison of X10 and iPhone 4.
Personally, i don't get annoyed too much lack of this and lack of that with X10. I have Cybershot TX1 for casual snapshot which way better than most of pocket camera, also have DSLR for serious and art photography. PSP and Nintendo DS for playing portable games.
So i never expect too much from X10 that make me get embarrassed or disappointed, but that just me personally other people have their of own preferences.
I have never been embarassed about something my phone did/can't do... that's really silly.
I wonder if the SO-01B is really different than the X10a/i... I mean, the firmware versions are totally different now. I've never dropped a call, in-call volume is great, the camera starts up within 3-4 seconds, and Fruit Ninja works perfectly fine. (I actually used Fruit Ninja last night in an argument with my girlfriend to show how she was slicing at my heart. She laughed and we made up. Thanks, Xperia!)
paliwalsandeep said:
Need 5 touch/clicks to make a call.. my frnd wid desire always makes fun of it
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Why does it take so many clicks...?
Instead of using the phonebook, you can make a folder on the home screen.
1. Click folder
2. Click contact
3. Click number
Isn't that how many clicks it takes for most touchscreen phones?
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I have never been embarassed about something my phone did/can't do... that's really silly.
I wonder if the SO-01B is really different than the X10a/i... I mean, the firmware versions are totally different now. I've never dropped a call, in-call volume is great, the camera starts up within 3-4 seconds, and Fruit Ninja works perfectly fine. (I actually used Fruit Ninja last night in an argument with my girlfriend to show how she was slicing at my heart. She laughed and we made up. Thanks, Xperia!)
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I also always wondering why people have a lot of restart, drop call and in-call volume problem with X10.
Ok, drop call i had, that one i make call in 30th floor office and the 3G is just 1 bar (too high, maybe signal can't reach , i changed to GPRS, then no problem).
In call volume is very different with each person, but i found a lot of occasion i pass my phone to my friend, because the caller want to talk, my friend never make any complain or ask to speak louder.
But random restart i never had, already tried with SO-01B ROM, SingTel ROM, Generic ROM, never had one.
Yesterday Ive dumped X10 and bought GalaxyS, boy what a difference, screen, wider and with much better colors and contrast, louder speaker for ringtone and for telephony, NO LAG after VooDoo lag fix. Only thins that X10 has better is the look of the white unit and maybe camera.
Can you tell me what you mean by "wider" and how it's a "good" thing? I personally feel that the X10 is already bordering on "too big", but any wider, and I probably would've never bought the phone.
I've got sgs around month ago and already tried many kernels and firmwares but neither of those deal with photo camera shots quality issues. Let me explain - I had Huawei u8220 before and the camera photo shots where nearly perfect, when I get to computer I will try to upload a couple of pictures to see. Now with this high end super phone I get photos of the same quality as my wife's simple nokia but 5mp instead... I wonder if this is hardware of software fault, and if it is software, maybe there is better app available for camera?
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The SGS's camera is not the best in the world, but I've been able to make fairly good shots with it. But in the end; just with all phone cameras, it's a tiny sensor with lousy optics. Just use it for what it is for and only use it under the right circumstances (enough light, little movement) and you should be oke.
I don't understand alot of the negative opinons about the sgs camera, it seems perfect for a phone camera, better than all those htc ones and my old nokia n95 one by far, which is all I could really ask for.
don't know what you talking about really.
SGS has a great camera.
Compare the pictures taken by sgs on other websites with yours and see any diffference.
Check setting and camera lens.
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[email protected] said:
don't know what you talking about really.
SGS has a great camera.
Compare the pictures taken by sgs on other websites with yours and see any diffference.
Check setting and camera lens.
done
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I have compared pictures before I purchased sgs and I saw that they are way worth than those from huawei but I thought that is because of taking picture conditions, besides I liked to have this phone,i still do, but here are two shots one from huawei and one from sgs,i didn't pick the best, just random.
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The photo compression on the SGS is bad. It would be great if somebody fixedthat and the crappy filters on the video.
if that sgs camera sample is actually indicative of all the pics you take then there is something seriously wrong with your camera, I've never taken a pic that bad. Maybe you're picture quality is on normal, not super fine and its on a low res?
go to camera then go to settings. try to change the resolution from 600x480(not exact) to 2500x1900(not exact) or something like that. I think its a bug cause when i put mine to 2000x1900 it magically changes back to 800x600. just check if you are really using the full 5m.
i also checked the one you uploaded and its just 600x480. may you are just using .3m
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go to camera then go to settings. try to change the resolution from 600x480(not exact) to 2500x1900(not exact) or something like that. I think its a bug cause when i put mine to 2000x1900 it magically changes back to 800x600. just check if you are really using the full 5m.
i also checked the one you uploaded and its just 600x480. may you are just using .3m
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the resolution was 2048x1536 and quality superfine why the image got smaller on the post? I dont know, will try to to find shots in approximately same condition. The size of Huawei's 3mp photo is slightly bugger than the SGSs 5mp. By the way, Huawei's camera was set on NORMAL image quality here (fine one would add some strange artefacts so, I never used it)
Huawei u8220:
SGS i9000:
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For me, the Camera on the Outside has a great Quality while the Front Facing camera Picture is useless because its blurry as hell. Like theres extreme Bloom is turned on.
I didnt find any options to change anything on the Frontcam.
Do you have the same prob?
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the resolution was 2048x1536 and quality superfine why the image got smaller on the post? I dont know, will try to to find shots in approximately same condition. The size of Huawei's 3mp photo is slightly bugger than the SGSs 5mp. By the way, Huawei's camera was set on NORMAL image quality here (fine one would add some strange artefacts so, I never used it)
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So what are you complaining about. You do not use SGS best quality but use the best quality of the Huwaei. The SGS is still much better if you compare. Both cameras is set to 3mp still the SGS is both sharper (you used the same number of pixel and they should be equal), have correct color, better contrast etc than the Huawie and still it is only roughly the half potential of the SGS (5mp versus 3mp). Strange thread the title should be why does my Huawei take so crapy pictures.
I think the problem is that you seem to prefer saturated pictures, the only problem is that the SGS camera looks 'dull' in comparison? Go fiddle with the settings?
Also, do you still have your huawei? Why don't you take pictures of the same subject matter to compare, instead of taking entirely different types of photos?
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So what are you complaining about. You do not use SGS best quality but use the best quality of the Huwaei. The SGS is still much better if you compare. Both cameras is set to 3mp still the SGS is both sharper (you used the same number of pixel and they should be equal), have correct color, better contrast etc than the Huawie and still it is only roughly the half potential of the SGS (5mp versus 3mp). Strange thread the title should be why does my Huawei take so crapy pictures.
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Both cameras on last uploaded photos are set to 3 mp, it's max for huawei, but the quality setting for huawei was set to normal and for sgs superfine
To me huawei pics look sharper and sgs ones are dull,
Yes I should experiment with settings of sgs camera and yes,i need to charge huawei and make a few pics of the same object, will be back with results tomorrow after charge.
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Ok I figured some options to make photos look better, and even better than huawei - settings-> adjust->+2 on contrast and sharpness and quality photos are there, however,i have to set this option ecru time I start camera, those are not saved for some reason, maybe there are some tricks on how to save options in camera?
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i wish i still had the shots i took with my first SGS. they were great! I'd have used them to populate this site
http://litlclic.com
(ok, little plug there)
it's still in the works ...
the SGS is a great little camera/phone! as someone above mentioned, of course it isnt as good as a camera, but take it for what it is and you can get some great shots!
this guide will help too
http://litlclic.com/guides/take-better-pics
brack11 said:
Ok I figured some options to make photos look better, and even better than huawei - settings-> adjust->+2 on contrast and sharpness and quality photos are there, however,i have to set this option ecru time I start camera, those are not saved for some reason, maybe there are some tricks on how to save options in camera?
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You know you can touch to zoom on specific ellements right?
Also, the different modes (click SCN) will make a big difference.
t1mman said:
You know you can touch to zoom on specific ellements right?
Also, the different modes (click SCN) will make a big difference.
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Touching doesn't zoom, but adjusts the focus.
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Touching doesn't zoom, but adjusts the focus.
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yep, my bad!
I meant Touch to focus
I've found that using Vignette, the SGS camera takes better photos.
Always remember, it's not the camera that makes a photographer, especially if you've comparing smartphone cameras. If we were talking about various prime lenses and the like, then it's a lot more serious.
Also, factor in that almost all photos nowadays go through post-processing if you want it to look good. I personally feel that there is nothing wrong with that, if one is just to touch up the photo.
Hence my inclination towards programs like Vignette, which do a lot of the post-processing effects that I like, all within the camera. Excellent feature of Vignette is that it can save both original JPEG (which considerably looks better than the default camera), and the edited JPEG.
Here are some random photos taken using Vignette:
Vignette01
Vignette02
Vignette03
Vignette04
I am in no way affiliated with the makers of the program, nor am I being paid to this. These are all my side on things. I hope it was informative.
Im also using vignette and noticed that right before the photo is taken when the app is trying to focus theres a split second that you will see the images that are very very sharp and great quality, after the photo is snapped it looks dull.
Hello again!
I've been doing a lot of testing lately with the cameras of the Neo & Arc, and so far everything is perfect! The more I test them the more I get convinced that this is for real, and not a market gimmick.
Here you get the exact same photos in auto setting for both the X10 & Arc, see for your selves the difference and you be the judge.
The photos have been taken in low light conditions :
X10
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So, what do you think
Good enough or could be better ?
Id say i can take much better low light pictures than that with my X10. Especially the last pic with the mini where its completely out of focus and blurry.
The Arc would still win, no doubt, but those arent as good as the X10 can perform in low light.
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Id say i can take much better low light pictures than that with my X10. Especially the last pic with the mini where its completely out of focus and blurry.
The Arc would still win, no doubt, but those arent as good as the X10 can perform in low light.
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Actually I really tried to be as objective as possible. And to be honest, it's really hard to maintain focus in night time on the X10, whereas you would notice a huge difference when it comes to the Arc.
Anyway, thanks for sharing
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Actually I really tried to be as objective as possible. And to be honest, it's really hard to maintain focus in night time on the X10, whereas you would notice a huge difference when it comes to the Arc.
Anyway, thanks for sharing
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Even though the X10's camera is really good compared to many other phones out there, I'd have say that it's really slow from initiating the app to focusing on the subject and to saving the image after the picture is taken!
having had both... the x10 simply can't compete with the arcs camera.. completely different league.
Sent from The Arc!
THE ARC have AMAZING camera
jerrytea said:
Even though the X10's camera is really good compared to many other phones out there, I'd have say that it's really slow from initiating the app to focusing on the subject and to saving the image after the picture is taken!
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My thoughts exactly! The interesting thing though is that the X10 already has a top notch camera. So, seeing some of the differences with the Arc now, truly shows that S/E still owns this game, at least in the camera department.
Basharca said:
Actually I really tried to be as objective as possible. And to be honest, it's really hard to maintain focus in night time on the X10, whereas you would notice a huge difference when it comes to the Arc.
Anyway, thanks for sharing
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If i came across as rude that wasnt my intention. I have taken good low light shots with my X10...infinity focus works 10 times better with the camera on the X10 for anything that isnt macro. Night mode works great with steady hands as well. EV control is what makes the camera shine best.
BUT! I seen alot of images from the Arc and the X10 doesnt stand a chance....which only shows how good the Arc is because the X10 is still one of the best camera phones out there.
The colors the Arc produces are absolutely phenominal! Im so jealous.
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Agree, it is a big difference in low light condition!
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If i came across as rude that wasnt my intention. I have taken good low light shots with my X10...infinity focus works 10 times better with the camera on the X10 for anything that isnt macro. Night mode works great with steady hands as well. EV control is what makes the camera shine best.
BUT! I seen alot of images from the Arc and the X10 doesnt stand a chance....which only shows how good the Arc is because the X10 is still one of the best camera phones out there.
The colors the Arc produces are absolutely phenominal! Im so jealous.
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Not at all man! You're a very polite and nice guy
We are here to discuss our opinions, so feel free to say what ever you believe in.
The thing is that The new S/E cameras are stunning! Like you asserted earlier the X10 already has a top notch camera, so seeing the improvements on the Arc & Neo just makes me send my warmest Kudos to Sony really.
Have a good one
High ISO - what you call low-light - is there but it introduces even more noise.
Arc's biggest problem is its horrible JPEG compression: it really looks like someone forgot to take a look at its pics in 1:1...
...once again, great engineers, incompetent management, as always with SE.
What does management have to do with jpeg compression?
1.Since you have mentioned neo. I am eager to know the camera performance of arc vs neo. Coz gsmarena has mentioned that arc takes better picture than neo.
Im thinking of shifting to SE neo or arc. Depend upon camera performance.
2. one more thing, no site mentioned about the capture rate. Ex. Engadget said x10 has more detail than arc despite having less mp. But we all know x10 takes lot many msec than arc so pic comes blurr.
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my friend has a Samsung Star 1, I think it can beat the arc in low light conditions, I'll compare the two phones as soon as I can.
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my friend has a Samsung Star 1, I think it can beat the arc in low light conditions, I'll compare the two phones as soon as I can.
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And a friend of mine have the samsung wave... I was so ashamed when we compared the 2 phones under low light conditions... Exmor R my @ss!!!!
That's weird.. cos I've never seen a phone take low light pics as good as the Arc.
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And a friend of mine have the samsung wave... I was so ashamed when we compared the 2 phones under low light conditions... Exmor R my @ss!!!!
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Couldn't agree more - great pics in daylight, piss poor in low light. Tried tweaking the camera settings but to no avail. Am wondering if anything i froze with titanium could have degraded the camera quality at all..?
If you want to take pictures, for instance, of a drunk friend of yours dancing like crazy in a club with poor lightning, just to show them to some other friends later, the Arc/Arc S surely wins, since it easily captures decent detail even in the darkest spots. But don't expect comments like "Wow, your smartphone takes really good pictures at night"... They're way too noisy and 'cheap' for that.
On the other hand, if you want to take pro-like pictures of low-light landscapes such as a city at night or a beautiful sunset, then the X10 is far, far ahead of the Arc.
Let's put it like this:
Arc in Normal scene = Great brightness with heavy noise, no need to keep your hands still.
Arc in Night scene = Lower brightness that in Normal scene with less noise, but you need to keeps your hands as still as possible, so the pic doesn't turn out to be a blur.
X10 in Normal scene = Poor brightness with low levels of noise, no need to keep your hand too still.
X10 in Night scene = Great brightness, even better than the Arc in Night scene, with almost unnoticeable noise, but urgent need to keep your hands completely still.
Not as much brightness as the Arc on Normal scene though.
So, regarding the Brightness/Noise ratio, the X10 has a better camera than Arc.
Still, you might want to notice that the purpose of a camera in a phone is to be able to quickly capture moments of your life, and not take pro-like pics... For that, consider buying a professional camera or so.
my arc s in a very low light condition
it's not that bad IMO.
I have both phones and the Arc's camera is much better.
X10 = dark photo
Arc = bright photo that's good looking
Both tested at the same location
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Ok, I started this thread because there are a million question throughout this forum about the stock camera on the X10. Some people just don't understand why they can't get good pictures from a 8mp camera. Some people say, why does this stupid 8mp camera take pictures with the quality of a 5mp camera (that makes me laugh a bit) lol.
So, here's the deal, for as long as I have been a member here I don't remember seeing a thread on this to help people get better pictures. Just many threads with questions scattered throughout.
Lets get started:
As a photographer I do spend ALOT of time taking pictures whether Im at home, work, parties, etc etc. I also shoot weddings, I have done and still do family portaits, etc etc.
So, most of the time I have my DSLR..but sometimes I dont, sometimes I just have my point-and-shoot, sometimes I rely on my X10. And thats where the fun starts.
When I use my phone to take pictures, I want to make sure I use the best possible settings to get the best possible picture. That includes, white balance, metering, and the lovely EV+/-.
I have spent a HUGE HUGE amount of time comparing many many different camera apps against each other. Guess which one won in the very end??? STOCK CAMERA! by a long shot!
What makes the stock so good compared to others? probably a more accurate meter reading, better white balance control and of course the EV+/- control.
How do I use my X10 camera properly then?
1. One thing I found for SURE on the X10 camera is the focusing isn't good. Use infinity focus for any shot UNLESS it's a macro (which isn't truly a macro, because smartphones aren't capable of shooting actual macro)
2. Change your white balance! if your inside your house with normal lighting from lamps, ceiling fans, etc, use incandenscent white balance! if your outside on a bright sunny day..use day white balance, if your outside and it's cloudy, use cloudy white balance. If your unsure, just use auto,,,it holds up really well.
3. Use EV+/- balance! best feature of our stock camera, which no other camera app can offer. Here's how its works:
you will see a meter when use press the EV control on your camera screen. It goes from -2___0___+2. By default its set to 0. If your shooting outside on a bright day try lowering it to about -0.3 to -1. You will see a dramatic difference with your shot. Much more detail becomes available. If you taking a picture of your friend, family member, etc etc outside on a bright day you might notice sometimes they look dark on your screen...thats because all the light from the background (usually the sun) is tricking your lens into thinking it has a crazy amount of light and it will lower the shutter speed. To counteract that, you will need to raise your EV to the + side. What this essentially does is overexposes the background, but brightens your subject up close so they aren't dark. Inside under poor lighting people complain about the camera and how it sucks. Well, guess what, we cant control the shutter speed or aperture on our camera, so we have to use whats available...again EV.
Under poor lighting, lower your EV to no less then -0.7 (otherwise the image might be to dark) What you will notice by doing this is yes the picture is slightly darker, but it also help reduce background noise within your photo.
Play around with the EV and see the difference for yourself. But never raise it in the + side of things unless your subject it to dark compared to the background otherwise you will end up with an overexposed photo. Lowering it a bit helps in almost all situations for everyday shooters.
How do I setup the X10 camera:
Capturing Mode: Normal
Resolution: 8mp or 6mp (wide) depends on what I want (remember, MP DO NOT effect quality)
Scenes: Normal
Focus Mode: Infinity or macro for close up shots
Photo light: always off for me
self timer: always off
metering: depends. but for everyday shooting use average as this is also known as matrix and is the most accurate metering mode.
White Balance: I explained above how to use it and when
Image stabilizer: ALWAYS OFF!! The feature is bad on the X10. Its litterly destroys the image. It causes way to much smearing should I say.
The rest of the features don't matter.
I hope this helps alot of your get better images from your stock cam. Because in the end of it, it most certainly is a superior app than anything on the market. Of course I have 360 ultimate, and vignette on my phone. 360 is nice for taking pictures with instant effects, and works really well. Same with vignette. So those 2 apps are by no means junk....just in sheer quality, not comparible to stock. Try staying away from automatic settings most of the time.
How to make your photo unique and very nice?
Use the rule of thirds. If you guys like this enough, I will continue to help you all with achieving much prettier pictures.
If you guys like this, I will take the time to do photos and show the differences when using EV and other features on the stock camera.
I would like this to become a sticky so people visiting these forums can see it at the top of the list and hopefully helps them before having to post more questions.
Any questions about this, feel free to ask.
Please don't troll this thread, I have dedicated myself to photography as a passion and take things very seriously. Of course you can disagree with me on this thread, but do it in a nice manner.
Thank you this is what I have always wanted to know how to make it better with the stock Camera
Your guide helps me a lot I cant wait to try it by myself after my phone is done charging
It would also be nice if you dont mind showing us some of your picture taken from X10 ( And Yes It will be appreciated if you could do the comparison )
nice tips... how about a write up on how to compose a picture =)
Montague said:
Thank you this is what I have always wanted to know how to make it better with the stock Camera
Your guide helps me a lot I cant wait to try it by myself after my phone is done charging
It would also be nice if you dont mind showing us some of your picture taken from X10 ( And Yes It will be appreciated if you could do the comparison )
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I will put together pictures for this thread showing the differences in features. But alot of my x10 pictures are of family which i wont post. So gimme a little time to take random shots.
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nice tips... how about a write up on how to compose a picture =)
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If people like this thread enough, i will absolutely take it further. I will give the tips and tricks i use when shooting weddings, family portraits, etc.
Composition comes with practice. Knowing how to frame your shot is a big deal in photography.
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The stock camera in 2.1 was the best, but now I am noticing a severe deterioration in quality after upgrading to GB. Night photos are completely unusable after upgrading to GB - there is severe noise reduction applied as default and the pictures look like some artist's water-colored images. I wish i could revert to the 2.1 firmware
Will post a comparison soon...
EDIT: Image Stabilization is set to OFF and I am using normal mode (no scenes).
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The stock camera in 2.1 was the best, but now I am noticing a severe deterioration in quality after upgrading to GB. Night photos are completely unusable after upgrading to GB - there is severe noise reduction applied as default and the pictures look like some artist's water-colored images. I wish i could revert to the 2.1 firmware
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Simce i just flashed 2.3.3 i havent really had a chance to check the camera much. But i will soon.
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Please continue sir, this can't be more helpful Thank you very much!
Oh man what took you so long to write this?
by the way weren't you the one who once said miui camera takes better pictures than stock?
Hei, you're good at making photos, so i suppose you're also good with photoshop and stuff.
Because there is a slight chance that there are some ..... how should we call them.... people who don't understand something when they don't see it with their own eyes.... why don't you make a picture of camera app and insert numbers to describe each feature and which is where.
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Oh man what took you so long to write this?
by the way weren't you the one who once said miui camera takes better pictures than stock?
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I also thought Vignette did to. Once I learned infinity focus was better than single auto, and discovered EV on stock cam...it was all over lol
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Hei, you're good at making photos, so i suppose you're also good with photoshop and stuff.
Because there is a slight chance that there are some ..... how should we call them.... people who don't understand something when they don't see it with their own eyes.... why don't you make a picture of camera app and insert numbers to describe each feature and which is where.
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(sorry for this pixel thing on the right side, but just cant get rid of it, liveview of camera refreshes to fast for screenshot ^^ )
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Up in my first post I wrote how I setup my stock cam.
there all in order according to your camera app starting from the top to the bottom, then in the additional settings.
If you use a different camera app, and wanna know what button is doing, just ask
Oh! ps. I noticed your set on infinity focus in that screenshot,,,which wouldn't work out so well being so close. you would want macro. Which is the very top box on your camera screen
Very deatil, I must say.
I am going to try using the EV adj to take better photos.
If you gave time,could you write another thread to teach us how to take good photo under poor light/at night(Well,I knowthe light sensor is just x.x)
cheers,
L
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m8 the shire quality of the images is much much much time better with vignette than the stock camera app mainly coz the stock camera app compresses the pictures a lot more and the quality is a lot worst than those taken with vignette for instance i took the same picture with the stock app and vignette and the truth is ht picture with the stock camera is 2.8mb a lot worse and the one with vignette is 5.6mb ... sooo .. dunno what u compared but m8 from my experience your not right for shire quality of the images, about the options of the app i agree with u but not for the quality taken with the stock app its poor .For instance i was on the same options that u mentioned and me and my gf who has 6700 nokia compared pictures and i was astonished how bad is the quality untill i found vignette - the best app for taking quality images for me
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The stock camera in 2.1 was the best, but now I am noticing a severe deterioration in quality after upgrading to GB. Night photos are completely unusable after upgrading to GB - there is severe noise reduction applied as default and the pictures look like some artist's water-colored images. I wish i could revert to the 2.1 firmware
Will post a comparison soon...
EDIT: Image Stabilization is set to OFF and I am using normal mode (no scenes).
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while taking pics in night try night landscape! if it's outdoor!
suggested by mode from esato!
you can check few pics in here
laill said:
Very deatil, I must say.
I am going to try using the EV adj to take better photos.
If you gave time,could you write another thread to teach us how to take good photo under poor light/at night(Well,I knowthe light sensor is just x.x)
cheers,
L
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Nightime photography is my favorite. However on this phone without manual controls of aperture, shutter speed and ISO...you can only do so much.
If you shooting handheld at night,, you better have a VERY steady hand. Otherwise mount your phone.
Leave the EV at 0 and adjust from there. White balance makes a massive difference at night...which most of the time (not always) will be incandenscent white balance.
Use infinity focus at night because the X10 just wont be able to focus properly anyways. Unless you have significant lighting. I still stick with infinity anyways lol.
Good thing about infinity focus, is you can hold the shutter button half way as if you were focusing and move around with it held half way til your ready to snap your shot then just press the shutter the rest of the way.
But yeah, the sensor is only so good on this phone.
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I also thought Vignette did to. Once I learned infinity focus was better than single auto, and discovered EV on stock cam...it was all over lol
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That's what I thought about Vignette too & frankly I love that app & its effects hehe.
But I'll try playing with these settings in stock cam & see what'll happen.
laill said:
Very deatil, I must say.
I am going to try using the EV adj to take better photos.
If you gave time,could you write another thread to teach us how to take good photo under poor light/at night(Well,I knowthe light sensor is just x.x)
cheers,
L
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Honestly tho, taking phone cameras out of the picture, it's difficult to take nice pictures in low light conditions, even with a DSLR.
Essentially, there are several factors that enable you to take good low light photos, such as longer exposure times (allowing more light to hit the sensor) the use of tripods (a very steady hand) and/or a flash for a light source.
Even your breathing will give camera shake resulting in a blurry picture.
Agreed, the X10 is powerful enough to take great photos and it's up to the user to make the picture look awesome.
Here's the one I took and post processed with Lightroom 3.
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while taking pics in night try night landscape! if it's outdoor!
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You better have a steady hand in night landscape mode lol.
But it does work well
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Source: http://asia.cnet.com/htc-one-vs-iphone-5-camera-shootout-62220556.htm - Full images can be found on this site.
Notes: We'll test the camera further in a future review, which will be more conclusive since the software would have to be final by then.
These images from the HTC ONE look far better than the ones in the thread where it vs the lumia 920.
I think that the quality is close to iphone 5s photos BUT iphone 5 has twice information then One. Try to resize iphones 5 photos and compare them to HTC Ones...probably its not from retail unit but I expected more especially indoor images with low light enviroment...but its not bad result at all. Sony XZ isnt good enought for me so I will wait for samsung what to show us as photo shooting is very important to me and after SGS3 I had and sold they have to really show something
I think the photos from the One look mainly better than iPhone 5.
If you zoom to 100% you can see some lost detail on the outdoor shot. Other than that, the details are there. And who zooms in 100% anyway. Especially the last shot is impressive as the One X also has major problems with too much lighting. The photo from the One looks very good, given that there is so much light from the side.
I'm sorry but pic 2 looks like the red dot phenomena all over again. Damn, a lot of people had that problem when the One X launched.
OK last photo, but I still think at least 6Mpx they should leave. with 4Mpx forget about cropping and forget about zoom in with fine details...just look at two years old SGS2 photos, resize them to 4Mpx and you will see that there is not such a difference and furthermore I bet that SGS2 photos will be better...Im fan of HTC for this year as they prepared amazing phone but maybe they killed it at least for me with this camera
PS: last notice, photos of HTC One are so much oversharped (the flower) my samsung i8510 did so much better pictures with almost DLSR background blurness in macro shots and beautifull detailed shots...
I played with the htc one, I don't see much of a problem with the camera on the one. Even so I was having doubts after seeing some images but these images above have relaxed me again.
I don't get why everyones like OMG THE CAMERA IS GUNNA SUCK
No one uses a phone camera for professional photography, it's mostly point and shoot stuff.
HTC were right, most of the pictures people take just end up on Facebook/email etc and you hardly need fantastic quality for that.
The images in my opinion look very good though.
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I don't get why everyones like OMG THE CAMERA IS GUNNA SUCK
No one uses a phone camera for professional photography, it's mostly point and shoot stuff.
HTC were right, most of the pictures people take just end up on Facebook/email etc and you hardly need fantastic quality for that.
The images in my opinion look very good though.
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I agree undoubtedly
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Im not a professional photographer, but that doesnt mean I dont wanna maximum from my phone for 600Euro espacially when samsung know how to do good camera in 8mm thick phone...I dont have DSLR nor cheap compact camera. Thats why I wont from this deivce the max as I take only phone to holidays and trips...if they will managed better photo shots and samsung will fail I will go for One as it looks like amazing phone in these days...so tell me why they advertise how good is it if they dont want to people buy it for camera possibilities??? just think about it I dont need 808 quality photos but dont wanna spend 600Euros for worse photo results than 2 years old SGS2 you know
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Im not a professional photographer, but that doesnt mean I dont wanna maximum from my phone for 600Euro espacially when samsung know how to do good camera in 8mm thick phone...I dont have DSLR nor cheap compact camera. Thats why I wont from this deivce the max as I take only phone to holidays and trips...if they will managed better photo shots and samsung will fail I will go for One as it looks like amazing phone in these days...so tell me why they advertise how good is it if they dont want to people buy it for camera possibilities??? just think about it I dont need 808 quality photos but dont wanna spend 600Euros for worse photo results than 2 years old SGS2 you know
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Those pictures above though show it's just as good as the iphone 5 if not better?
So why are the photo results worse than a SGS2?
kultus said:
Im not a professional photographer, but that doesnt mean I dont wanna maximum from my phone for 600Euro espacially when samsung know how to do good camera in 8mm thick phone...I dont have DSLR nor cheap compact camera. Thats why I wont from this deivce the max as I take only phone to holidays and trips...if they will managed better photo shots and samsung will fail I will go for One as it looks like amazing phone in these days...so tell me why they advertise how good is it if they dont want to people buy it for camera possibilities??? just think about it I dont need 808 quality photos but dont wanna spend 600Euros for worse photo results than 2 years old SGS2 you know
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I have had GS1/2/3 & GN2 and while camera is good (not the greatest) outdoors and indoors in dark (except GS1), they were terrible where there was light in the background. Also video audio sucked on all of them aswell and again video qaulity was good but not the greatest.
HTC photos look very good!
The performance of HTC One in this post is far better than the others on net but the CNet reviewer only just used 3M mode in this review(not 4.1M) while ip5 is 8M! Not a far comparsion.
If I remember correctly, he uses 4M but he crops the images for webview (One uses 16:9 per default it seems, he wants pictures of the same aspect ratio).
WHAT??!! HTC One uses 4Mpx at 16:9? are you serious...so when you want standard 4:3 photo you will loose 1Mpx? thats nonsense if its true...standard usage for most people is to use 4:3 and if you want 16:9 phone will crop it automatically (8Mpx 4:3 -> 6Mpx 16:9)...
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WHAT??!! HTC One uses 4Mpx at 16:9? are you serious...so when you want standard 4:3 photo you will loose 1Mpx? thats nonsense if its true...standard usage for most people is to use 4:3 and if you want 16:9 phone will crop it automatically (8Mpx 4:3 -> 6Mpx 16:9)...
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Its just the standard setting probably. He cropped it manually.
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yes the 16x9 is cropped, 4x3 gives you full size but from what i can tell these pictures are already in 4x3
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hamdir said:
yes the 16x9 is cropped, 4x3 gives you full size but from what i can tell these pictures are already in 4x3
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What he did:
Shoot at 16:9 (phone shoots in 4:3, crops it)
Crop it back to 4:3
A bit fail, but not as much as the SGS3 guy...
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Guys if I ever develop a whole 4mp image shot from HTC One what photo print size would it be if I print it?