Hello again!
I've been doing a lot of testing lately with the cameras of the Neo & Arc, and so far everything is perfect! The more I test them the more I get convinced that this is for real, and not a market gimmick.
Here you get the exact same photos in auto setting for both the X10 & Arc, see for your selves the difference and you be the judge.
The photos have been taken in low light conditions :
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So, what do you think
Good enough or could be better ?
Id say i can take much better low light pictures than that with my X10. Especially the last pic with the mini where its completely out of focus and blurry.
The Arc would still win, no doubt, but those arent as good as the X10 can perform in low light.
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Mr Patchy Patch said:
Id say i can take much better low light pictures than that with my X10. Especially the last pic with the mini where its completely out of focus and blurry.
The Arc would still win, no doubt, but those arent as good as the X10 can perform in low light.
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Actually I really tried to be as objective as possible. And to be honest, it's really hard to maintain focus in night time on the X10, whereas you would notice a huge difference when it comes to the Arc.
Anyway, thanks for sharing
Basharca said:
Actually I really tried to be as objective as possible. And to be honest, it's really hard to maintain focus in night time on the X10, whereas you would notice a huge difference when it comes to the Arc.
Anyway, thanks for sharing
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Even though the X10's camera is really good compared to many other phones out there, I'd have say that it's really slow from initiating the app to focusing on the subject and to saving the image after the picture is taken!
having had both... the x10 simply can't compete with the arcs camera.. completely different league.
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THE ARC have AMAZING camera
jerrytea said:
Even though the X10's camera is really good compared to many other phones out there, I'd have say that it's really slow from initiating the app to focusing on the subject and to saving the image after the picture is taken!
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My thoughts exactly! The interesting thing though is that the X10 already has a top notch camera. So, seeing some of the differences with the Arc now, truly shows that S/E still owns this game, at least in the camera department.
Basharca said:
Actually I really tried to be as objective as possible. And to be honest, it's really hard to maintain focus in night time on the X10, whereas you would notice a huge difference when it comes to the Arc.
Anyway, thanks for sharing
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If i came across as rude that wasnt my intention. I have taken good low light shots with my X10...infinity focus works 10 times better with the camera on the X10 for anything that isnt macro. Night mode works great with steady hands as well. EV control is what makes the camera shine best.
BUT! I seen alot of images from the Arc and the X10 doesnt stand a chance....which only shows how good the Arc is because the X10 is still one of the best camera phones out there.
The colors the Arc produces are absolutely phenominal! Im so jealous.
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Agree, it is a big difference in low light condition!
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If i came across as rude that wasnt my intention. I have taken good low light shots with my X10...infinity focus works 10 times better with the camera on the X10 for anything that isnt macro. Night mode works great with steady hands as well. EV control is what makes the camera shine best.
BUT! I seen alot of images from the Arc and the X10 doesnt stand a chance....which only shows how good the Arc is because the X10 is still one of the best camera phones out there.
The colors the Arc produces are absolutely phenominal! Im so jealous.
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Not at all man! You're a very polite and nice guy
We are here to discuss our opinions, so feel free to say what ever you believe in.
The thing is that The new S/E cameras are stunning! Like you asserted earlier the X10 already has a top notch camera, so seeing the improvements on the Arc & Neo just makes me send my warmest Kudos to Sony really.
Have a good one
High ISO - what you call low-light - is there but it introduces even more noise.
Arc's biggest problem is its horrible JPEG compression: it really looks like someone forgot to take a look at its pics in 1:1...
...once again, great engineers, incompetent management, as always with SE.
What does management have to do with jpeg compression?
1.Since you have mentioned neo. I am eager to know the camera performance of arc vs neo. Coz gsmarena has mentioned that arc takes better picture than neo.
Im thinking of shifting to SE neo or arc. Depend upon camera performance.
2. one more thing, no site mentioned about the capture rate. Ex. Engadget said x10 has more detail than arc despite having less mp. But we all know x10 takes lot many msec than arc so pic comes blurr.
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my friend has a Samsung Star 1, I think it can beat the arc in low light conditions, I'll compare the two phones as soon as I can.
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my friend has a Samsung Star 1, I think it can beat the arc in low light conditions, I'll compare the two phones as soon as I can.
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And a friend of mine have the samsung wave... I was so ashamed when we compared the 2 phones under low light conditions... Exmor R my @ss!!!!
That's weird.. cos I've never seen a phone take low light pics as good as the Arc.
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And a friend of mine have the samsung wave... I was so ashamed when we compared the 2 phones under low light conditions... Exmor R my @ss!!!!
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Couldn't agree more - great pics in daylight, piss poor in low light. Tried tweaking the camera settings but to no avail. Am wondering if anything i froze with titanium could have degraded the camera quality at all..?
If you want to take pictures, for instance, of a drunk friend of yours dancing like crazy in a club with poor lightning, just to show them to some other friends later, the Arc/Arc S surely wins, since it easily captures decent detail even in the darkest spots. But don't expect comments like "Wow, your smartphone takes really good pictures at night"... They're way too noisy and 'cheap' for that.
On the other hand, if you want to take pro-like pictures of low-light landscapes such as a city at night or a beautiful sunset, then the X10 is far, far ahead of the Arc.
Let's put it like this:
Arc in Normal scene = Great brightness with heavy noise, no need to keep your hands still.
Arc in Night scene = Lower brightness that in Normal scene with less noise, but you need to keeps your hands as still as possible, so the pic doesn't turn out to be a blur.
X10 in Normal scene = Poor brightness with low levels of noise, no need to keep your hand too still.
X10 in Night scene = Great brightness, even better than the Arc in Night scene, with almost unnoticeable noise, but urgent need to keep your hands completely still.
Not as much brightness as the Arc on Normal scene though.
So, regarding the Brightness/Noise ratio, the X10 has a better camera than Arc.
Still, you might want to notice that the purpose of a camera in a phone is to be able to quickly capture moments of your life, and not take pro-like pics... For that, consider buying a professional camera or so.
my arc s in a very low light condition
it's not that bad IMO.
I have both phones and the Arc's camera is much better.
X10 = dark photo
Arc = bright photo that's good looking
Both tested at the same location
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My friend always complain about camera start-up time and crappy pics it takes and then pulls out its iphone and snaps pics in a jiffy.Share your experience.
Need 5 touch/clicks to make a call.. my frnd wid desire always makes fun of it
actually the photo result of X10 camera is better than iPhone 4, even using stock camera app.
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Taken with X10
Taken with iPhone 4
Notice that the one taken by iPhone has a less color range than one taken by X10. But i agree with the camera laggy start up time
But compared to iPhone 4, X10 camera have a lot of advantages, you can set the exposure compensation, face detection, smile detection, average metering, spot metering, image stabilizer, multiple autofocus. While iPhone 4 camera is just a point and shoot only.
I say X10 beats iPhone 4 in term of functional camera and video camera except for the flash . You can try taking video with iPhone 4 and taking video with X10, see which one is shaky.
so my opinion, nothing to be embarrassed about.
Constant phone reboots and 40% chance of drop call from x10.
On my Storm 1? Zip.
And storm one was HORRIBLE.
But I think I went from Worst to THE WORST.
Sad.
Tried to show off when i hadn't had my phone very long. Wasn't used to the damn speed of the touch screen.
"Here look at this, oh on wait i didn't mean to press that, crap nor that either, hang on a sec and i'll go back, right let's try that again, now look at this .... DOH"
Angie xx
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xeviro said:
actually the photo result of X10 camera is better than iPhone 4, even using stock camera app.
Taken with X10
Taken with iPhone 4
Notice that the one taken by iPhone has a less color range than one taken by X10. But i agree with the camera laggy start up time
But compared to iPhone 4, X10 camera have a lot of advantages, you can set the exposure compensation, face detection, smile detection, average metering, spot metering, image stabilizer, multiple autofocus. While iPhone 4 camera is just a point and shoot only.
I say X10 beats iPhone 4 in term of functional camera and video camera except for the flash . You can try taking video with iPhone 4 and taking video with X10, see which one is shaky.
so my opinion, nothing to be embarrassed about.
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It would be nice to see more x10 vs iPhone4 photos in different conditions(night without flash, with flash, sunlight, macro, etc)
xeviro said:
actually the photo result of X10 camera is better than iPhone 4, even using stock camera app.
Taken with X10
Taken with iPhone 4
Notice that the one taken by iPhone has a less color range than one taken by X10. But i agree with the camera laggy start up time
But compared to iPhone 4, X10 camera have a lot of advantages, you can set the exposure compensation, face detection, smile detection, average metering, spot metering, image stabilizer, multiple autofocus. While iPhone 4 camera is just a point and shoot only.
I say X10 beats iPhone 4 in term of functional camera and video camera except for the flash . You can try taking video with iPhone 4 and taking video with X10, see which one is shaky.
so my opinion, nothing to be embarrassed about.
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Bro, N82 and other 8mp beats it with ease.For a noob, it is hard to capture a photo.
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Bro, N82 and other 8mp beats it with ease.For a noob, it is hard to capture a photo.
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right. iphone 4 can capture pictures WAY better than that...
we'll be getting 720p HD videos in 2.1 too.. @24 fps (or even less). iPhone can do that at 30fps.
Sadly X10's camera isn't anything special, but that's fair enough for a phone. If the X10 had no camera and the same specs with Froyo I'd buy it anyway
Anyway, my embarassing moment was when me and my friend who's got an iPhone4 played the same game (fruit ninja) on our two phones, and we could definitely assure that gaming on the iPhone is... another world. X10 is SOOOO slow and the iphone way too fast
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Anyway, my embarassing moment was when me and my friend who's got an iPhone4 played the same game (fruit ninja) on our two phones, and we could definitely assure that gaming on the iPhone is... another world. X10 is SOOOO slow and the iphone way too fast
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Can you even play that game? I tried it and couldn't cut most of the fruits. Lost in about 15 seconds
worst moment was when i sent a text and i completely typed a senseless thing, and it was to a girl :s
Well, Dell announced that the Streak is skipping 2.1 and going straight to Froyo.
Now the X10 will be the only high end smartphone with 2.1 We are unique
pngface said:
Well, Dell announced that the Streak is skipping 2.1 and going straight to Froyo.
Now the X10 will be the only high end smartphone with 2.1 We are unique
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I just imagined a pc with an intel core i7 extreme wuth w98 Dx
.............and 65k color screen
.............and no multitouch (though this won't matter on a pc, but assume you meant a tablet )
isthisreallife said:
Bro, N82 and other 8mp beats it with ease.For a noob, it is hard to capture a photo.
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I agree with you, most of high end Nokia phone is using Carl Zeiss lens and the Sony Ericsson Cybershot series beats X10 as well. But the quality is decent compared to iPhone 4, i was replying for the OP comparison of X10 and iPhone 4.
Personally, i don't get annoyed too much lack of this and lack of that with X10. I have Cybershot TX1 for casual snapshot which way better than most of pocket camera, also have DSLR for serious and art photography. PSP and Nintendo DS for playing portable games.
So i never expect too much from X10 that make me get embarrassed or disappointed, but that just me personally other people have their of own preferences.
I have never been embarassed about something my phone did/can't do... that's really silly.
I wonder if the SO-01B is really different than the X10a/i... I mean, the firmware versions are totally different now. I've never dropped a call, in-call volume is great, the camera starts up within 3-4 seconds, and Fruit Ninja works perfectly fine. (I actually used Fruit Ninja last night in an argument with my girlfriend to show how she was slicing at my heart. She laughed and we made up. Thanks, Xperia!)
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Need 5 touch/clicks to make a call.. my frnd wid desire always makes fun of it
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Why does it take so many clicks...?
Instead of using the phonebook, you can make a folder on the home screen.
1. Click folder
2. Click contact
3. Click number
Isn't that how many clicks it takes for most touchscreen phones?
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I have never been embarassed about something my phone did/can't do... that's really silly.
I wonder if the SO-01B is really different than the X10a/i... I mean, the firmware versions are totally different now. I've never dropped a call, in-call volume is great, the camera starts up within 3-4 seconds, and Fruit Ninja works perfectly fine. (I actually used Fruit Ninja last night in an argument with my girlfriend to show how she was slicing at my heart. She laughed and we made up. Thanks, Xperia!)
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I also always wondering why people have a lot of restart, drop call and in-call volume problem with X10.
Ok, drop call i had, that one i make call in 30th floor office and the 3G is just 1 bar (too high, maybe signal can't reach , i changed to GPRS, then no problem).
In call volume is very different with each person, but i found a lot of occasion i pass my phone to my friend, because the caller want to talk, my friend never make any complain or ask to speak louder.
But random restart i never had, already tried with SO-01B ROM, SingTel ROM, Generic ROM, never had one.
Yesterday Ive dumped X10 and bought GalaxyS, boy what a difference, screen, wider and with much better colors and contrast, louder speaker for ringtone and for telephony, NO LAG after VooDoo lag fix. Only thins that X10 has better is the look of the white unit and maybe camera.
Can you tell me what you mean by "wider" and how it's a "good" thing? I personally feel that the X10 is already bordering on "too big", but any wider, and I probably would've never bought the phone.
Amongst the many reasons I love my X10 are the display and the 8MP camera, the latter of which, to my surprise, needs improvement (to say the least). I'm of course referring to the Xperia X10 versus iPhone 4 comparison photos, as can be found via Google.
It's not the software I'm concerned with, as I can always get around it one way or another; it's the hardware, and what it's capable of. Just this past weekend, I was at a family dinner, and was quite dissapointed with not just the time it took to take a shot, but more importantly the lack of detail & overall quality. Meanwhile, my sister boasted her iPhone 4 and received all the compliments, whereas people lost patience with me standing there going, "wait for it... wait for it! Where are you going? Damnit!"
Let's face it, the i4 clearly takes better pictures, and the bluish purplish discoloration is rarely ever an issue with indoor shots. Even I was quite impressed with the shots my sister had taken with her i4, while mine were just not noteworthy.
I'm well aware that megapixels mean little to nothing with respect to the quality, but I expected much better from Sony. So, my question is, is there anything I can do to "improve" or "enhance" the X10's camera capability? Or is this really the X10's full potential?
get vignette from the market.....
Will vastly improve your shots
the time it takes to take a photo is still an issue though.
and motion blurring while trying to take a phpto is a right pain in the rear! took my several goes to try and get a self shot of me and my GF the other day cause it moves as i try and press the camera button..
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the time it takes to take a photo is still an issue though.
and motion blurring while trying to take a phpto is a right pain in the rear! took my several goes to try and get a self shot of me and my GF the other day cause it moves as i try and press the camera button..
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use touch to capture, disable image stabilization, use vignette, install the v10 camera mod. the only problems i have are in low lighting, which no cell camera will work well in.
here are some sample pics i've taken
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also the big diff is iphone 4 has 65 million colors so pictures seems to be better,but if u transfer a pic from iphone4 to your experia and do the reverse the pic from your phone will look better in iphone4 than than the iphone4 pic in X10....
regarding slowness of camera,yeah that is an issue,but it is improved in arc,arc can take like 1 picture in less than a second. hope after GB upgrade we might transfer that to X10
Let's have a look on the camera apk which is in the latest ROM of Trip..
I can take 2 photos in something like 3 seconds or less..
Ive compared my x10 to the iphone 4 in terms of picture quality...and i clearly see the x10 is better. Iphone 4 was really oversaturated. If you know what your doing with a camera, you can take good pictures.
First thing with the stock x10 camera is turn off image stabalization as that makes the quality bad. To much compression and blur.
Second, i just recently discovered how much better the x10 stock cam is when you use the EV balance effectively. Im a big fan of vignette, but lately my stock x10 cam is taking much nicer shots when i properly use EV balance. I was amazed at the difference.
Metering modes also plays a roll in better pictures....i use center weighted for the majority, but sometimes spot metering is very useful depending on what im taking a picture of and how the light is shinning on my subject.
Also, a steady hand is important.
You dont need the camera mod app as you might end up frustrated with sound/video delay in your video recording. Trust me, EV balance is your best friend with the stock cam.
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I recommend to look on this
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111&start=405
Esato have a lot of people who knows a lot about photography and there are some devs that used to make drivers to "old" phones like c905 k850 and all...
This thread is only for x10 pics taken from users.
Bye!
fiscidtox said:
get vignette from the market.....
Will vastly improve your shots
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+1...thats my 2 cents
Wow, I'm overwhelmed by those shots 28spawn; especially the ones taken by "mode", it's hard to believe he's using an X10!
I'm currently running Wolf's latest 6.1.3 v06, and I don't see any EV balance controls in the camera app, nor did I find any in Vignette. Am I doing something wrong or missing something, because I'd hate to have to revert back to stock just for this.
2ehan said:
Wow, I'm overwhelmed by those shots 28spawn; especially the ones taken by "mode", it's hard to believe he's using an X10!
I'm currently running Wolf's latest 6.1.3 v06, and I don't see any EV balance controls in the camera app, nor did I find any in Vignette. Am I doing something wrong or missing something, because I'd hate to have to revert back to stock just for this.
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Your only gonna find EV control on the stock camera. Which has been a thrill to use. My pictures are fantastic.
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I use Camera360 Ultimate and with it the X10 camera pictures destroys the iPhone 4 pictures. No contest.
taken with vignette when i still had the factory 2.1 rom.
I had to revert to 2.1 from 2.2 ROMs just because a lack of EV correction in 2.2 camera apks and NO dev gave me answer if we will have it in the future... Its cruel as I loved 2.2 (CM 6.1.3) so much. Im taking loads of pictures on vacations, trips and without EV its almost impossible to take good photos... Everybody is posting good quality photos but nobody says how much photos wasnt so good and in many situations you dont have time for playing with settings and trying to take good photo...
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I had to revert to 2.1 from 2.2 ROMs just because a lack of EV correction in 2.2 camera apks and NO dev gave me answer if we will have it in the future... Its cruel as I loved 2.2 (CM 6.1.3) so much. Im taking loads of pictures on vacations, trips and without EV its almost impossible to take good photos... Everybody is posting good quality photos but nobody says how much photos wasnt so good and in many situations you dont have time for playing with settings and trying to take good photo...
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Thats one of the big reasons why i have decided to stay on stock 2.1 now. No EV control in any other roms or apps from the market. I take a crap load of pictures, and lately EV has been my best friend. Cant go without it now.
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i find camera360 app takes great photos myself, give it a try
I hate to be skeptical but I am really doubtful this was taken by an x10
If it genuinely is, mind=blown.
kantk20111 said:
I use Camera360 Ultimate and with it the X10 camera pictures destroys the iPhone 4 pictures. No contest.
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+1...camera 360 is the best imo!!
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dogwoofer said:
I hate to be skeptical but I am really doubtful this was taken by an x10
If it genuinely is, mind=blown.
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Why don't you think it's from a X10?
He just did a macro, then the background gets like that.
Engadget Review is out:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/24/sony-xperia-z1-review/
looks like they have some nice words for the Z1.
I will get my Z1 sometime this week and we'll see how it turns out, but im quite optimistic :victory:.
The benchmarks of this review are wrong
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theres one problem with everyone regarding sony phones they never ever like them they always like the samsung iphones and htc
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The benchmarks of this review are wrong
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Just got mine, still 518 fw though
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theres one problem with everyone regarding sony phones they never ever like them they always like the samsung iphones and htc
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Yes you're right, but considering how engadget gives it's critics to other devices, I think it says allot that they are pretty pleased with the Z1
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They fail to point out that all the camera issues can be fixed with a software update!
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They fail to point out that all the camera issues can be fixed with a software update!
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a camera update isnt going to make the camera better than the lumia 1020. the problem with the engadget review is they compare it only to the 1020. 42 mp sensor vs 21 not really a fair comparison. No amount of software updates are gonna make them even.
Never the less i turned off x reality and have seen an improvement in battery life. Gotta thank this review for that
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a camera update isnt going to make the camera better than the lumia 1020. the problem with the engadget review is they compare it only to the 1020. 42 mp sensor vs 21 not really a fair comparison. No amount of software updates are gonna make them even.
Never the less i turned off x reality and have seen an improvement in battery life. Gotta thank this review for that
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Software updates can address the Xperia Z1's current issues (noise, etc) and I never expected its camera to be on par or even exceed Illumina's 1020...
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Software updates can address the Xperia Z1's current issues (noise, etc) and I never expected its camera to be on par or even exceed Illumina's 1020...
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then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.
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then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.
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.. did you even bother to read the post you were responding to?
Anyways, considering the Z1 didn't ship with its final camera firmware it's been doing pretty well for itself so far. Very excited to see what improvements will come when the proper software is released.
billybobjones said:
then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.
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If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.
So I read the review (I've been thinking about buying this phone, as I need a camera, and a new phone), and I noticed that Engadget said:
To explore this, we had to switch back to manual mode and set resolution to 20.7MP again. It's worth noting that this kills a bunch of camera options, such as HDR, scene selection and digital image stabilization -- but it was the only way to push the Z1's sensor to its limits.
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This made me sad. Does this mean that the phone won't take 20MP HDR photos?
Other than that, it seems to be a good phone.
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TheCraig said:
If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.
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Hey sorry just looking out from in the guy your debating with actually said he does not think that the z1 can keep up with the Nokia but hopes that a update can help with some noise issues and softness , not to beat the Nokia but to overall help with the IQ of the z1. Hope that helps. And software can help with image quality as in proper exposure and the right ISO and shutter speed settings when in auto. Its true that you can not help grain pattern because this is a sensor specific thing but the amount of grain or noise can be helped and the amount of processing e.g sharpening can also be helped with software.
Z1 has great specs they need to work on the software to help it shine.
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If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.
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I read through all the posts and no where did you state it would be better or even match the 1020 with a software update you just mentioned it needs a software update to get the best out of the Z1 camera.
I agree the camera should be way better than what it is and if it can produce a clean image with minimal noise AND fix that superior auto then that is all that matters imho.
There is a lot of potential in this phone and I hope Sony can really get the most out of it.
I think we can all agree that it isn't challenging the 1020 at the moment and isn't likely to do so. But yeah software updates to clear up the current issues should help a lot.
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I think we can all agree that it isn't challenging the 1020 at the moment and isn't likely to do so. But yeah software updates to clear up the current issues should help a lot.
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Took some proper photos outside today and detail was fine but for some reason lighting was a bit ****ed up... It came out a bit dark.. They really need to fix the camera firmware ASAP!
Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
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Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?
bloodfire1004 said:
Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
More details:
Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?
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I guess the big sensor is the key here. Dxomark doesn't reflect the real life though. I'm not very happy with the z1 camera... far too noisy especially at 20mp. Still better than my older nexus 4 anyway.
j0sh0 said:
I guess the big sensor is the key here. Dxomark doesn't reflect the real life though. I'm not very happy with the z1 camera... far too noisy especially at 20mp. Still better than my older nexus 4 anyway.
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Just curious, what settings are you using? I'm pretty satisfied with the Z1 Camera of mine, but that was after tweaking some of the shooting settings I'm in. At first, I was pretty disappointed as well but now I think I'm good.
bloodfire1004 said:
Just curious, what settings are you using? I'm pretty satisfied with the Z1 Camera of mine, but that was after tweaking some of the shooting settings I'm in. At first, I was pretty disappointed as well but now I think I'm good.
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I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.
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I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.
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Ah ok. That's good then. Shooting at 20MP especially in low-light results in (I'm not sure why) worse pictures than shooting at 8MP 4:3 .. in my tests, it resulted in darker images.
I also like to shoot at 8MP 4:3 to take advantage of the oversampling and leave the rest of the settings to Auto. One thing though is that I turn off the Stabilizer. I found that turning it on resulted in the camera choosing a much higher ISO than intended compared when leaving it off. This may be due to its detection of slight handshake movements and it tries to compensate by upping the ISO in favor of a faster shutter speed.
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Ah ok. That's good then. Shooting at 20MP especially in low-light results in (I'm not sure why) worse pictures than shooting at 8MP 4:3 .. in my tests, it resulted in darker images.
I also like to shoot at 8MP 4:3 to take advantage of the oversampling and leave the rest of the settings to Auto. One thing though is that I turn off the Stabilizer. I found that turning it on resulted in the camera choosing a much higher ISO than intended compared when leaving it off. This may be due to its detection of slight handshake movements and it tries to compensate by upping the ISO in favor of a faster shutter speed.
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Yes shooting at 20mp is useless. Pics are so noisy... it's a shame. At 8mp the image quality is pretty good and yes, with the stabiliser on the iso is higher for that reason. But I prefer a bit more noise other than a blurred image.
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Yes shooting at 20mp is useless. Pics are so noisy... it's a shame. At 8mp the image quality is pretty good and yes, with the stabiliser on the iso is higher for that reason. But I prefer a bit more noise other than a blurred image.
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Nice. What metering and focus are you using? Particularly for macro / night shots. I find that using Single Auto Focus setting doesn't keep the whole image in focus and just the middle part, but I find that the multi-auto focus setting doesn't do too well either particularly in macro shots. Currently, I shoot in landscape mode when shooting macro.
I'm using metering average (it seems to do a better job with white balance as well). About focus I always use touch focus... I like to choose what I want in focus...
I love th bokeh management of the lens.. look at this for example
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I'm using metering average (it seems to do a better job with white balance as well). About focus I always use touch focus... I like to choose what I want in focus...
I love th bokeh management of the lens.. look at this for example
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Ohh nice, I'm gonna try that out Thanks!
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I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.
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And there's you mistake - the software image stabiliser introduces noise. Switch it off.
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And there's you mistake - the software image stabiliser introduces noise. Switch it off.
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Yeah, I know... but as I said I prefer a slighty noiser image than a blurred one. I'll try again without stabiliser anyway.
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Yeah, I know... but as I said I prefer a slighty noiser image than a blurred one. I'll try again without stabiliser anyway.
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Hopefully new update has improved superior auto mode...
Try night mode can reduce noise.
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Why is everyone so scared of noise I just don't get it. If the fine detail is their don't worry about the noise.
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Yeah. The Z1 does lovely bokeh.
here is theDxO report for the Z1 which i could not find on DxO's website.
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I dont think samsung software is better, have more mods, but is very large and camera lags, i have gs4 9500 until last week
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What i find telling from that review is this graph.
Above 80 lux the S4 shots have more 'texture' than the Z1.
Contrary to what people might think the Z1 has the best noise reduction indoors.
bloodfire1004 said:
Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
More details:
Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?
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Not much of a fan of them anymore, after I wrote to them to see if they would do the Xperia Z test again after Sony updating the firmware to fix the bad camera quality, they didn't even respond to me. On the flip side it is Sony's fault for shipping substandard equipment, get all the important things right first, especially the camera when they are making such a big deal about how amazing it is.
DxO finally got around to testing the G2. Overall G2 placed 6th. However in the photo section it ties with the Z1 in terms of score. A closer examination of the parameters tested shows the Z1 edges ahead slighlty.
Where the Z1 comes out ahead : Exposure & Contrast, Colour, Noise Reduction, Flash
Where the G2 comes out ahead : Autofocus, Texture, Artifacts
4 > 3 or Z1 ahead by a little.
What lets the G2 down is video, where its ranked 15th to the Z1's 2nd place.
If you consider phones alone, Z1 has the best video out there.
Now we have to wait for DxO to test the Note 3 to see whether it will affect the Z1's ranking.
Sorry to jump here like that, I don't even know all this stuff but after read what you guys saying is like the camera on Z1 was made for experienced people who know how to set up the device. This is a phone anyway and I like to go around and shooting everything but almost of the pictures are crap. That how shouldn't be with a camera on a phone with 20mpx.
Was playing with the 3 of them today.
All set to auto and focus mode face detection except the Z1 focus set to single autofocus and gonna show you all why in the end of the thread.
All photos will be uploaded to flickr in the upcoming ours
Please Share your opinions !
So the sequence of photos is
Iphone 5s
Htc one
Sony z1
Iphone 5s 1/15sec iso 400
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Sony 1/10sec iso400
NOW iphone5s duel tone led flash test vs Sony Z1 flash
Sequence is iphone then z1
Iphone 1/16sec iso 80
Sony 1/13sec iso400
Now when focus set to Face detection on the Sony Z1 it detects all faces (as the others did as well ) and thats the result:
Sony was set to Manual mode and all auto just point and shoot.
? what are your thoughts ?!
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Looks pretty good. I'm switching to tmo next week when the Z1S comes out to stores. Ill test my n5 and Z1s later.
(Sony was set to Manual mode and all auto just point and shoot) for all images or just the last one?
I just miss my HTC One!
I didn't care about the lighting situation when I wanted to take pics.
Z1 is very good but the HTC was the one for me!
1st set:
The HTC one picked a higher iso and is overexposed.
The Z1 comes across brighter than the 5s. It has 50% longer shutter.
Between the Z1 & 5s which is the more accurate in terms of lighting ?
2nd set
the 5s flash barely seems to register here. But the ISO jumped from 400 to 80. That's over 2 f-stops. So the shot seems underexposed.
Z1 kept the ISO at 400 and got a similar lighted shot.
3rd set with face detection
I'm not sure what to make of this one ? as it appears the brightest of the lot. iso > 400 & no flash ?
What advantage does face detection have and how well does it work.
The problem with tests like these is that there is a random element that gets in the way. people do not sit still and a little movement causes shake, i'm ignoring that.
Also the 5s allows no manual control whatsoever, whatever 5s decides is the best is what you get.
And The winner issssssss Honami
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Sony shots were all in Manual mode .
The lights were exactly similar to the z1 ... Although i dont know why i like the htc one shot ..something strange in it shows it so natural.
But the purple tint is affecting my friends' phone too. I tried many times and thats was the least tint in all.
Iphone is very underexposing the scene so bad for me. Even htc with the purple/red noise seems better !
And yes me too agree thats the Z1 is the best too. Seems its the best phone after 1020.
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1st set:
The HTC one picked a higher iso and is overexposed.
The Z1 comes across brighter than the 5s. It has 50% longer shutter.
Between the Z1 & 5s which is the more accurate in terms of lighting ?
2nd set
the 5s flash barely seems to register here. But the ISO jumped from 400 to 80. That's over 2 f-stops. So the shot seems underexposed.
Z1 kept the ISO at 400 and got a similar lighted shot.
3rd set with face detection
I'm not sure what to make of this one ? as it appears the brightest of the lot. iso > 400 & no flash ?
What advantage does face detection have and how well does it work.
The problem with tests like these is that there is a random element that gets in the way. people do not sit still and a little movement causes shake, i'm ignoring that.
Also the 5s allows no manual control whatsoever, whatever 5s decides is the best is what you get.
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I would barely see anything in the iphone flash .. Just the coke cans ! While on the z1 its well bright
I guess face detection just raise the EV to expose faces better. Me too cant think of a mechanism rather than this. htc/apple face detection didnt differ with/without detection they just lock focus. While Sony locks focus and change exposure
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I would barely see anything in the iphone flash .. Just the coke cans ! While on the z1 its well bright.
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I meant when you look at the photos, was the lighting as dark as the 5s makes it out to be or as bright as the Z1 portrays it. Or some where in between ?
In this example the 5s & one underperform IMO. This is the problem with this auto business. One day it works well and other times it does not. Cannot say anything conclusive here other than to say in this round the Z1 did the best compared to the others. A few more rounds and it could go either way.
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I meant when you look at the photos, was the lighting as dark as the 5s makes it out to be or as bright as the Z1 portrays it. Or some where in between ?
In this example the 5s & one underperform IMO. This is the problem with this auto business. One day it works well and other times it does not. Cannot say anything conclusive here other than to say in this round the Z1 did the best compared to the others. A few more rounds and it could go either way.
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It was exactly as the first z1 shot
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well i'm dissapointed with Z1 camera , i've came across this Z1 vs HTC One camera test which is very detailed and good with bunch of photos and z1 trully sucked
see this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542663
Glad you already started it, I actually did the same thing I will share my Photos then.
First photo is from HTC One HDR Off and the second one is Sony Xperia Z1 HDR On.
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HTC One HDR is kinda messed up. I am uploading it now and I didn't upload the Sony Xperia Z1 none HDR photo.
Photos from Sony was taken 8MP 16:9 and I used the manual mode cause we all know that Superior auto is really crappy but all the other featurs like ISO and exposure levels are set to auto.
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well i'm dissapointed with Z1 camera , i've came across this Z1 vs HTC One camera test which is very detailed and good with bunch of photos and z1 trully sucked
see this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542663
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all i see in those pics is OVERexposed htc photos and some under exposed (manually set) z1 pics
the htc one got blown sky (highlights) it over expose dark scenes on expense of the already bright one so the results are blown high lights.
the htc one to overcome this issue has taken some of the photos with HDr option ! while some z1 pics is manually set to -1 ev which resulted in some under-exposed (dark) photos.
But for me will take the z1 photos over the htc1 cause i can add exposure to a dark image but i will never get the lost details of the blown up high lights
Just one question: Can u get me a clear view of the blue/sunset sky in the htc photos ?!
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Glad you already started it, I actually did the same thing I will share my Photos then.
First photo is from HTC One and the second one is Sony Xperia Z1.
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nice to see the ONE could focus before flash it was a big issue with me (x-owner of htc1) the one couldn't focus in complete darkness.
the htc1 pic is better white-balanced the z1 screwed up take it again but keep ur finger away from the flash and be sure all settings are in auto.
And another photos in my dark room, all the lights are switched off.
Only I used flashed and HTC took a while to take the photo approximately 5sec yet Xperia Z1 took it faster.
HTC One HDR off:
HTC One HDR on:
Sony Xperia Z1 HDR off:
Sony Xperia Z1 HDR on:
BTW I bought HTC One for my sister since she became a huge fan after Sensation.
and I don't have the phone now. Both phones are running on 4.3
I think Sony needs some brushing up with the camera department, I don't say it's bad but needs some polishing
I am now uploading the Pics I took from HTC One Sony Xperia Z / Z1 and iPhone 5s. all in the same windy day.
I will share them with you guys in a couple of hours to see how the phones did in the night time, plus it was a windy day and cold.
So as I told you that I have uploaded a lots of photos into my drop box.
Don't blame cause I uploded a lot and didn't really separate it like HDR photos and none HDR.
Well for fact I know that iPhone 5s's flash won't work when you turn on HDR so you'll know which one is HDR of iPhone
You do the judgement and I still think Sony needs some improving in camera department.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g1qx7x2n8ppqwco/EPLjrQKh4w
And according to Josh Xperia Z1s(for T-mobile) camera isn't that great.and it is the same as Z1.
http://youtu.be/ekhkyjiwqtE?t=3m46s
chesterr said:
Don't blame cause I uploded a lot and didn't really separate it like HDR photos and none HDR.
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Unfortunately there is no way to tell them apart for Z1 & HTC one.
I don't understand why you are taking HDR photos indoors. I don't see much improvement at all compared to non-HDR and in some cases even worse as there is blur. Which is to be expected as the dynamic range in a room isn't going to be very high unless you have bright areas mixed in with dark areas by a couple of f-stops at least. There is no benefit to using HDR in this way.
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Well for fact I know that iPhone 5s's flash won't work when you turn on HDR so you'll know which one is HDR of iPhone
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good to know.
chesterr said:
You do the judgement and I still think Sony needs some improving in camera department.
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This is an ongoing process.
chesterr said:
And according to Josh Xperia Z1s(for T-mobile) camera isn't that great.and it is the same as Z1.
http://youtu.be/ekhkyjiwqtE?t=3m46s
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He does not mention whether its SA or manual, though i suspect its SA. Hit & miss.
He does not like 8MP photos as that's the highest you get in 16:9. But 8MP is actually better than 20MP with oversampling. 8MP is good enough for a lot unless you want to make posters. Whatever screen Josh uses cannot display more than 2MP anyway. Or 4MP if he uses a 4k screen.
He mentions losing detail in the dark areas. EV+ required.
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nice to see the ONE could focus before flash it was a big issue with me (x-owner of htc1) the one couldn't focus in complete darkness.
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Focus assist light on htc one not working ?
Dark shots will be a problem with focus. Use Fenix LD01, fits on keychain
the htc one is the strongest flash i met with 5 levels by the way and no focus assist light (Hilarious!)
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the htc one is the strongest flash i met with 5 levels by the way and no focus assist light (Hilarious!)
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HTC One has focus assist light lol, it didn't on 4.2.2 , it has it since 4.3 came out.
Edit: here few recent pics taken in pitch black.
6th pic ( the cat ) was taken with something similar to what you guys recently got called * defcous macro *