Ok, I started this thread because there are a million question throughout this forum about the stock camera on the X10. Some people just don't understand why they can't get good pictures from a 8mp camera. Some people say, why does this stupid 8mp camera take pictures with the quality of a 5mp camera (that makes me laugh a bit) lol.
So, here's the deal, for as long as I have been a member here I don't remember seeing a thread on this to help people get better pictures. Just many threads with questions scattered throughout.
Lets get started:
As a photographer I do spend ALOT of time taking pictures whether Im at home, work, parties, etc etc. I also shoot weddings, I have done and still do family portaits, etc etc.
So, most of the time I have my DSLR..but sometimes I dont, sometimes I just have my point-and-shoot, sometimes I rely on my X10. And thats where the fun starts.
When I use my phone to take pictures, I want to make sure I use the best possible settings to get the best possible picture. That includes, white balance, metering, and the lovely EV+/-.
I have spent a HUGE HUGE amount of time comparing many many different camera apps against each other. Guess which one won in the very end??? STOCK CAMERA! by a long shot!
What makes the stock so good compared to others? probably a more accurate meter reading, better white balance control and of course the EV+/- control.
How do I use my X10 camera properly then?
1. One thing I found for SURE on the X10 camera is the focusing isn't good. Use infinity focus for any shot UNLESS it's a macro (which isn't truly a macro, because smartphones aren't capable of shooting actual macro)
2. Change your white balance! if your inside your house with normal lighting from lamps, ceiling fans, etc, use incandenscent white balance! if your outside on a bright sunny day..use day white balance, if your outside and it's cloudy, use cloudy white balance. If your unsure, just use auto,,,it holds up really well.
3. Use EV+/- balance! best feature of our stock camera, which no other camera app can offer. Here's how its works:
you will see a meter when use press the EV control on your camera screen. It goes from -2___0___+2. By default its set to 0. If your shooting outside on a bright day try lowering it to about -0.3 to -1. You will see a dramatic difference with your shot. Much more detail becomes available. If you taking a picture of your friend, family member, etc etc outside on a bright day you might notice sometimes they look dark on your screen...thats because all the light from the background (usually the sun) is tricking your lens into thinking it has a crazy amount of light and it will lower the shutter speed. To counteract that, you will need to raise your EV to the + side. What this essentially does is overexposes the background, but brightens your subject up close so they aren't dark. Inside under poor lighting people complain about the camera and how it sucks. Well, guess what, we cant control the shutter speed or aperture on our camera, so we have to use whats available...again EV.
Under poor lighting, lower your EV to no less then -0.7 (otherwise the image might be to dark) What you will notice by doing this is yes the picture is slightly darker, but it also help reduce background noise within your photo.
Play around with the EV and see the difference for yourself. But never raise it in the + side of things unless your subject it to dark compared to the background otherwise you will end up with an overexposed photo. Lowering it a bit helps in almost all situations for everyday shooters.
How do I setup the X10 camera:
Capturing Mode: Normal
Resolution: 8mp or 6mp (wide) depends on what I want (remember, MP DO NOT effect quality)
Scenes: Normal
Focus Mode: Infinity or macro for close up shots
Photo light: always off for me
self timer: always off
metering: depends. but for everyday shooting use average as this is also known as matrix and is the most accurate metering mode.
White Balance: I explained above how to use it and when
Image stabilizer: ALWAYS OFF!! The feature is bad on the X10. Its litterly destroys the image. It causes way to much smearing should I say.
The rest of the features don't matter.
I hope this helps alot of your get better images from your stock cam. Because in the end of it, it most certainly is a superior app than anything on the market. Of course I have 360 ultimate, and vignette on my phone. 360 is nice for taking pictures with instant effects, and works really well. Same with vignette. So those 2 apps are by no means junk....just in sheer quality, not comparible to stock. Try staying away from automatic settings most of the time.
How to make your photo unique and very nice?
Use the rule of thirds. If you guys like this enough, I will continue to help you all with achieving much prettier pictures.
If you guys like this, I will take the time to do photos and show the differences when using EV and other features on the stock camera.
I would like this to become a sticky so people visiting these forums can see it at the top of the list and hopefully helps them before having to post more questions.
Any questions about this, feel free to ask.
Please don't troll this thread, I have dedicated myself to photography as a passion and take things very seriously. Of course you can disagree with me on this thread, but do it in a nice manner.
Thank you this is what I have always wanted to know how to make it better with the stock Camera
Your guide helps me a lot I cant wait to try it by myself after my phone is done charging
It would also be nice if you dont mind showing us some of your picture taken from X10 ( And Yes It will be appreciated if you could do the comparison )
nice tips... how about a write up on how to compose a picture =)
Montague said:
Thank you this is what I have always wanted to know how to make it better with the stock Camera
Your guide helps me a lot I cant wait to try it by myself after my phone is done charging
It would also be nice if you dont mind showing us some of your picture taken from X10 ( And Yes It will be appreciated if you could do the comparison )
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I will put together pictures for this thread showing the differences in features. But alot of my x10 pictures are of family which i wont post. So gimme a little time to take random shots.
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beanoguy said:
nice tips... how about a write up on how to compose a picture =)
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If people like this thread enough, i will absolutely take it further. I will give the tips and tricks i use when shooting weddings, family portraits, etc.
Composition comes with practice. Knowing how to frame your shot is a big deal in photography.
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The stock camera in 2.1 was the best, but now I am noticing a severe deterioration in quality after upgrading to GB. Night photos are completely unusable after upgrading to GB - there is severe noise reduction applied as default and the pictures look like some artist's water-colored images. I wish i could revert to the 2.1 firmware
Will post a comparison soon...
EDIT: Image Stabilization is set to OFF and I am using normal mode (no scenes).
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The stock camera in 2.1 was the best, but now I am noticing a severe deterioration in quality after upgrading to GB. Night photos are completely unusable after upgrading to GB - there is severe noise reduction applied as default and the pictures look like some artist's water-colored images. I wish i could revert to the 2.1 firmware
Will post a comparison soon...
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Simce i just flashed 2.3.3 i havent really had a chance to check the camera much. But i will soon.
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Please continue sir, this can't be more helpful Thank you very much!
Oh man what took you so long to write this?
by the way weren't you the one who once said miui camera takes better pictures than stock?
Hei, you're good at making photos, so i suppose you're also good with photoshop and stuff.
Because there is a slight chance that there are some ..... how should we call them.... people who don't understand something when they don't see it with their own eyes.... why don't you make a picture of camera app and insert numbers to describe each feature and which is where.
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riginal said:
Oh man what took you so long to write this?
by the way weren't you the one who once said miui camera takes better pictures than stock?
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I also thought Vignette did to. Once I learned infinity focus was better than single auto, and discovered EV on stock cam...it was all over lol
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Hei, you're good at making photos, so i suppose you're also good with photoshop and stuff.
Because there is a slight chance that there are some ..... how should we call them.... people who don't understand something when they don't see it with their own eyes.... why don't you make a picture of camera app and insert numbers to describe each feature and which is where.
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(sorry for this pixel thing on the right side, but just cant get rid of it, liveview of camera refreshes to fast for screenshot ^^ )
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Up in my first post I wrote how I setup my stock cam.
there all in order according to your camera app starting from the top to the bottom, then in the additional settings.
If you use a different camera app, and wanna know what button is doing, just ask
Oh! ps. I noticed your set on infinity focus in that screenshot,,,which wouldn't work out so well being so close. you would want macro. Which is the very top box on your camera screen
Very deatil, I must say.
I am going to try using the EV adj to take better photos.
If you gave time,could you write another thread to teach us how to take good photo under poor light/at night(Well,I knowthe light sensor is just x.x)
cheers,
L
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m8 the shire quality of the images is much much much time better with vignette than the stock camera app mainly coz the stock camera app compresses the pictures a lot more and the quality is a lot worst than those taken with vignette for instance i took the same picture with the stock app and vignette and the truth is ht picture with the stock camera is 2.8mb a lot worse and the one with vignette is 5.6mb ... sooo .. dunno what u compared but m8 from my experience your not right for shire quality of the images, about the options of the app i agree with u but not for the quality taken with the stock app its poor .For instance i was on the same options that u mentioned and me and my gf who has 6700 nokia compared pictures and i was astonished how bad is the quality untill i found vignette - the best app for taking quality images for me
bbsrailfan said:
The stock camera in 2.1 was the best, but now I am noticing a severe deterioration in quality after upgrading to GB. Night photos are completely unusable after upgrading to GB - there is severe noise reduction applied as default and the pictures look like some artist's water-colored images. I wish i could revert to the 2.1 firmware
Will post a comparison soon...
EDIT: Image Stabilization is set to OFF and I am using normal mode (no scenes).
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while taking pics in night try night landscape! if it's outdoor!
suggested by mode from esato!
you can check few pics in here
laill said:
Very deatil, I must say.
I am going to try using the EV adj to take better photos.
If you gave time,could you write another thread to teach us how to take good photo under poor light/at night(Well,I knowthe light sensor is just x.x)
cheers,
L
Sent fRom mY FreeXperia X10 uSIng xda Premium App
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Nightime photography is my favorite. However on this phone without manual controls of aperture, shutter speed and ISO...you can only do so much.
If you shooting handheld at night,, you better have a VERY steady hand. Otherwise mount your phone.
Leave the EV at 0 and adjust from there. White balance makes a massive difference at night...which most of the time (not always) will be incandenscent white balance.
Use infinity focus at night because the X10 just wont be able to focus properly anyways. Unless you have significant lighting. I still stick with infinity anyways lol.
Good thing about infinity focus, is you can hold the shutter button half way as if you were focusing and move around with it held half way til your ready to snap your shot then just press the shutter the rest of the way.
But yeah, the sensor is only so good on this phone.
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I also thought Vignette did to. Once I learned infinity focus was better than single auto, and discovered EV on stock cam...it was all over lol
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That's what I thought about Vignette too & frankly I love that app & its effects hehe.
But I'll try playing with these settings in stock cam & see what'll happen.
laill said:
Very deatil, I must say.
I am going to try using the EV adj to take better photos.
If you gave time,could you write another thread to teach us how to take good photo under poor light/at night(Well,I knowthe light sensor is just x.x)
cheers,
L
Sent fRom mY FreeXperia X10 uSIng xda Premium App
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Honestly tho, taking phone cameras out of the picture, it's difficult to take nice pictures in low light conditions, even with a DSLR.
Essentially, there are several factors that enable you to take good low light photos, such as longer exposure times (allowing more light to hit the sensor) the use of tripods (a very steady hand) and/or a flash for a light source.
Even your breathing will give camera shake resulting in a blurry picture.
Agreed, the X10 is powerful enough to take great photos and it's up to the user to make the picture look awesome.
Here's the one I took and post processed with Lightroom 3.
diimaan said:
while taking pics in night try night landscape! if it's outdoor!
suggested by mode from esato!
you can check few pics in here
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You better have a steady hand in night landscape mode lol.
But it does work well
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I've found the LED flash to be basically useless for taking pictures. Everytime I try to use it in a dark environment, the shutter speeds are too slow and the picture is both horribly overexposed and there is motion blur as well.
I understand there is no pre-flash firing to lock focus, but the camera should be smart enough to bump up shutter speed to actually take a usable picture in the dark with flash.
Does everyone's camera do this?
supdawg said:
I've found the LED flash to be basically useless for taking pictures. Everytime I try to use it in a dark environment, the shutter speeds are too slow and the picture is both horribly overexposed and there is motion blur as well.
I understand there is no pre-flash firing to lock focus, but the camera should be smart enough to bump up shutter speed to actually take a usable picture in the dark with flash.
Does everyone's camera do this?
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Mine takes awesome pictures, even in complete darkness.
supdawg said:
I've found the LED flash to be basically useless for taking pictures. Everytime I try to use it in a dark environment, the shutter speeds are too slow and the picture is both horribly overexposed and there is motion blur as well.
I understand there is no pre-flash firing to lock focus, but the camera should be smart enough to bump up shutter speed to actually take a usable picture in the dark with flash.
Does everyone's camera do this?
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Camera works great, it's no DSLR but it's just as good or better than any point and shoot i've ever owned. As far as the flash goes only time pictures are overexposed is when you are too close and try and use the flash. Cameras can't work miracles. If it's too dark for you to see your subject then it's too dark for the camera to see it as well and the pictures will look bad on any camera. As long as the lighting is reasonable the pictures come out great.
Jykinturah said:
Mine takes awesome pictures, even in complete darkness.
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might be a problem with the OPs flash
supdawg said:
I understand there is no pre-flash
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If you use a led widget, it will stay on before, during, and after the shot but it is not as bright as the camera flash brightness.
supdawg said:
I've found the LED flash to be basically useless for taking pictures. Everytime I try to use it in a dark environment, the shutter speeds are too slow and the picture is both horribly overexposed and there is motion blur as well.
I understand there is no pre-flash firing to lock focus, but the camera should be smart enough to bump up shutter speed to actually take a usable picture in the dark with flash.
Does everyone's camera do this?
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Mine seems to work ok it can actually take a decent picture in complete darkness
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Jykinturah said:
Mine takes awesome pictures, even in complete darkness.
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Mine seems to work ok it can actually take a decent picture in complete darkness
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what are your settings cause mine look crappy as well? met my favorite band and took pics and they all came out crappy.. luckly i had my canon camera as a backup but after one picture the bastard died.. if my phone was taking nice pics i could have had a collection of awesome memories
This is a typical picture taken with my camera in very low lighting with flash.
As you can see the picture is horribly overexposed. All I did was take the raw file an upload to imageshack with a slight crop.
Is this typical? Or do I have a defective camera? Camera takes good pictures in good light, but flash pictures are terrible.
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Its a flashlight... Duh
supdawg said:
This is a typical picture taken with my camera in very low lighting with flash.
As you can see the picture is horribly overexposed. All I did was take the raw file an upload to imageshack with a slight crop.
Is this typical? Or do I have a defective camera? Camera takes good pictures in good light, but flash pictures are terrible.
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Lower the brightness when you take pictures that close with the flash. It will help a LOT.
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Lower the brightness when you take pictures that close with the flash. It will help a LOT.
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Thanks for the tip. I tried to recreate the picture at -2 & -3 exposures.
-2
-3
While lowering the exposure helps a bit, the pictures still look extremely soft to me (looks like the shutter speed was too low/motion blur).
I understand this phone won't produce DSLR quality pictures (I own a Canon 450D for that). However, I would like to get usable pictures with flash. To me, even at -3 exposure, these pictures are pretty bad.
Subject was about 4-5 feet away.
TIA
i think it's because the camera doesn't pre-light and focus before hitting the shutter, it just "focuses" in complete darkness then lights up the flash and takes the picture with an out of focus subject. Best way is to use a flashlight app to light it up, focus, then turn off the flashlight and take the pic
It's better than not having flash and not many companies are willing to go to the added expense (as well as sacrifice more space) of a xenon flash.
Just wanted to know if this was typical? Can someone post a pic of a person using flash in low light with flash?
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I took some pictures at night during the Fourth of July and the daytime pictures came out much better than my 10.1MP point and shoot, the camera is also about 5X faster, so I didn't miss nearly as many shots as my GF using my P&S.
Night time pictures on both cameras were also mediocre. Like someone here already said, if you can't see the person very well in low light, then the camera won't either. As soon as the flash goes off it flushes the area with light. Honestly, I think you are expecting a little much from a cellphone camera. Compared to every other camera I have owned (not owned a DSLR) this camera trumps both phones and P&S cameras.
Good luck, but I think your comparing apples and oranges seeing as you own a DSLR. Most phones don't even have a flash.
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I took some pictures at night during the Fourth of July and the daytime pictures came out much better than my 10.1MP point and shoot, the camera is also about 5X faster, so I didn't miss nearly as many shots as my GF using my P&S.
Night time pictures on both cameras were also mediocre. Like someone here already said, if you can't see the person very well in low light, then the camera won't either. As soon as the flash goes off it flushes the area with light. Honestly, I think you are expecting a little much from a cellphone camera. Compared to every other camera I have owned (not owned a DSLR) this camera trumps both phones and P&S cameras.
Good luck, but I think your comparing apples and oranges seeing as you own a DSLR. Most phones don't even have a flash.
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That's a fair assessment. I just thought that this camera could do what every point and shoot camera I've owned for the past 10 years could do. Take a sharp picture in a dark environment using flash.
And I've owned a phone with a flash before (Touch Pro). I cannot remember if it exhibited the same behavior, though.
I just don't think it's too much to ask for a camera to expose properly and give sufficient shutter speed to take sharp pictures while using the flash. I love having the LED's for flashlight purposes, I simply question it's functionality/usability as a part of the camera.
I am not talking about physical limitations of the sensor. The sensor is capable of doing it, but it just needs to be improved software wise by HTC. I understand there will be noise and grain in this type of sensor. I just want sharp photos that don't have all of their highlights blown all to hell on 0 EV compensation.
The exposure compensation setting at -3 to take is a real PITA considering its just not FEV, so I imagine even daytime shots would come out underexposed if you forget to switch back.
I just hope HTC does something to improve this camera/video camera. It's too nice of hardware for it to under perform the way it does.
Jykinturah said:
Mine takes awesome pictures, even in complete darkness.
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Can you post a picture of someone taken about 5 feet away using flash in a dark environment? If you dont feel comfortable doing that on the forum, you could PM me.
I could look at your picture to see if it has the same problems as mine does.
easy fix take it. back and a ip4 it has a "better camera".
my camera takes great pics in the dark
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Sporkman said:
easy fix take it. back and a ip4 it has a "better camera".
my camera takes great pics in the dark
sent with my evo from a secret place
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Care to share any?
supdawg said:
Care to share any?
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To answer your question, yes these are typical results for a photo taken in complete darkness. The Evo, while pretty good for a cell phone camera, is comparable in quality to a cheap P&S camera (to me it looks slightly better than my wife's old Canon A430, but noticeably worse than my Canon SX100). There's nothing wrong with your phone.
I've got sgs around month ago and already tried many kernels and firmwares but neither of those deal with photo camera shots quality issues. Let me explain - I had Huawei u8220 before and the camera photo shots where nearly perfect, when I get to computer I will try to upload a couple of pictures to see. Now with this high end super phone I get photos of the same quality as my wife's simple nokia but 5mp instead... I wonder if this is hardware of software fault, and if it is software, maybe there is better app available for camera?
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The SGS's camera is not the best in the world, but I've been able to make fairly good shots with it. But in the end; just with all phone cameras, it's a tiny sensor with lousy optics. Just use it for what it is for and only use it under the right circumstances (enough light, little movement) and you should be oke.
I don't understand alot of the negative opinons about the sgs camera, it seems perfect for a phone camera, better than all those htc ones and my old nokia n95 one by far, which is all I could really ask for.
don't know what you talking about really.
SGS has a great camera.
Compare the pictures taken by sgs on other websites with yours and see any diffference.
Check setting and camera lens.
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don't know what you talking about really.
SGS has a great camera.
Compare the pictures taken by sgs on other websites with yours and see any diffference.
Check setting and camera lens.
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I have compared pictures before I purchased sgs and I saw that they are way worth than those from huawei but I thought that is because of taking picture conditions, besides I liked to have this phone,i still do, but here are two shots one from huawei and one from sgs,i didn't pick the best, just random.
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The photo compression on the SGS is bad. It would be great if somebody fixedthat and the crappy filters on the video.
if that sgs camera sample is actually indicative of all the pics you take then there is something seriously wrong with your camera, I've never taken a pic that bad. Maybe you're picture quality is on normal, not super fine and its on a low res?
go to camera then go to settings. try to change the resolution from 600x480(not exact) to 2500x1900(not exact) or something like that. I think its a bug cause when i put mine to 2000x1900 it magically changes back to 800x600. just check if you are really using the full 5m.
i also checked the one you uploaded and its just 600x480. may you are just using .3m
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go to camera then go to settings. try to change the resolution from 600x480(not exact) to 2500x1900(not exact) or something like that. I think its a bug cause when i put mine to 2000x1900 it magically changes back to 800x600. just check if you are really using the full 5m.
i also checked the one you uploaded and its just 600x480. may you are just using .3m
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the resolution was 2048x1536 and quality superfine why the image got smaller on the post? I dont know, will try to to find shots in approximately same condition. The size of Huawei's 3mp photo is slightly bugger than the SGSs 5mp. By the way, Huawei's camera was set on NORMAL image quality here (fine one would add some strange artefacts so, I never used it)
Huawei u8220:
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For me, the Camera on the Outside has a great Quality while the Front Facing camera Picture is useless because its blurry as hell. Like theres extreme Bloom is turned on.
I didnt find any options to change anything on the Frontcam.
Do you have the same prob?
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the resolution was 2048x1536 and quality superfine why the image got smaller on the post? I dont know, will try to to find shots in approximately same condition. The size of Huawei's 3mp photo is slightly bugger than the SGSs 5mp. By the way, Huawei's camera was set on NORMAL image quality here (fine one would add some strange artefacts so, I never used it)
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So what are you complaining about. You do not use SGS best quality but use the best quality of the Huwaei. The SGS is still much better if you compare. Both cameras is set to 3mp still the SGS is both sharper (you used the same number of pixel and they should be equal), have correct color, better contrast etc than the Huawie and still it is only roughly the half potential of the SGS (5mp versus 3mp). Strange thread the title should be why does my Huawei take so crapy pictures.
I think the problem is that you seem to prefer saturated pictures, the only problem is that the SGS camera looks 'dull' in comparison? Go fiddle with the settings?
Also, do you still have your huawei? Why don't you take pictures of the same subject matter to compare, instead of taking entirely different types of photos?
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So what are you complaining about. You do not use SGS best quality but use the best quality of the Huwaei. The SGS is still much better if you compare. Both cameras is set to 3mp still the SGS is both sharper (you used the same number of pixel and they should be equal), have correct color, better contrast etc than the Huawie and still it is only roughly the half potential of the SGS (5mp versus 3mp). Strange thread the title should be why does my Huawei take so crapy pictures.
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Both cameras on last uploaded photos are set to 3 mp, it's max for huawei, but the quality setting for huawei was set to normal and for sgs superfine
To me huawei pics look sharper and sgs ones are dull,
Yes I should experiment with settings of sgs camera and yes,i need to charge huawei and make a few pics of the same object, will be back with results tomorrow after charge.
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Ok I figured some options to make photos look better, and even better than huawei - settings-> adjust->+2 on contrast and sharpness and quality photos are there, however,i have to set this option ecru time I start camera, those are not saved for some reason, maybe there are some tricks on how to save options in camera?
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i wish i still had the shots i took with my first SGS. they were great! I'd have used them to populate this site
http://litlclic.com
(ok, little plug there)
it's still in the works ...
the SGS is a great little camera/phone! as someone above mentioned, of course it isnt as good as a camera, but take it for what it is and you can get some great shots!
this guide will help too
http://litlclic.com/guides/take-better-pics
brack11 said:
Ok I figured some options to make photos look better, and even better than huawei - settings-> adjust->+2 on contrast and sharpness and quality photos are there, however,i have to set this option ecru time I start camera, those are not saved for some reason, maybe there are some tricks on how to save options in camera?
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You know you can touch to zoom on specific ellements right?
Also, the different modes (click SCN) will make a big difference.
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You know you can touch to zoom on specific ellements right?
Also, the different modes (click SCN) will make a big difference.
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Touching doesn't zoom, but adjusts the focus.
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yep, my bad!
I meant Touch to focus
I've found that using Vignette, the SGS camera takes better photos.
Always remember, it's not the camera that makes a photographer, especially if you've comparing smartphone cameras. If we were talking about various prime lenses and the like, then it's a lot more serious.
Also, factor in that almost all photos nowadays go through post-processing if you want it to look good. I personally feel that there is nothing wrong with that, if one is just to touch up the photo.
Hence my inclination towards programs like Vignette, which do a lot of the post-processing effects that I like, all within the camera. Excellent feature of Vignette is that it can save both original JPEG (which considerably looks better than the default camera), and the edited JPEG.
Here are some random photos taken using Vignette:
Vignette01
Vignette02
Vignette03
Vignette04
I am in no way affiliated with the makers of the program, nor am I being paid to this. These are all my side on things. I hope it was informative.
Im also using vignette and noticed that right before the photo is taken when the app is trying to focus theres a split second that you will see the images that are very very sharp and great quality, after the photo is snapped it looks dull.
Amongst the many reasons I love my X10 are the display and the 8MP camera, the latter of which, to my surprise, needs improvement (to say the least). I'm of course referring to the Xperia X10 versus iPhone 4 comparison photos, as can be found via Google.
It's not the software I'm concerned with, as I can always get around it one way or another; it's the hardware, and what it's capable of. Just this past weekend, I was at a family dinner, and was quite dissapointed with not just the time it took to take a shot, but more importantly the lack of detail & overall quality. Meanwhile, my sister boasted her iPhone 4 and received all the compliments, whereas people lost patience with me standing there going, "wait for it... wait for it! Where are you going? Damnit!"
Let's face it, the i4 clearly takes better pictures, and the bluish purplish discoloration is rarely ever an issue with indoor shots. Even I was quite impressed with the shots my sister had taken with her i4, while mine were just not noteworthy.
I'm well aware that megapixels mean little to nothing with respect to the quality, but I expected much better from Sony. So, my question is, is there anything I can do to "improve" or "enhance" the X10's camera capability? Or is this really the X10's full potential?
get vignette from the market.....
Will vastly improve your shots
the time it takes to take a photo is still an issue though.
and motion blurring while trying to take a phpto is a right pain in the rear! took my several goes to try and get a self shot of me and my GF the other day cause it moves as i try and press the camera button..
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the time it takes to take a photo is still an issue though.
and motion blurring while trying to take a phpto is a right pain in the rear! took my several goes to try and get a self shot of me and my GF the other day cause it moves as i try and press the camera button..
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use touch to capture, disable image stabilization, use vignette, install the v10 camera mod. the only problems i have are in low lighting, which no cell camera will work well in.
here are some sample pics i've taken
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also the big diff is iphone 4 has 65 million colors so pictures seems to be better,but if u transfer a pic from iphone4 to your experia and do the reverse the pic from your phone will look better in iphone4 than than the iphone4 pic in X10....
regarding slowness of camera,yeah that is an issue,but it is improved in arc,arc can take like 1 picture in less than a second. hope after GB upgrade we might transfer that to X10
Let's have a look on the camera apk which is in the latest ROM of Trip..
I can take 2 photos in something like 3 seconds or less..
Ive compared my x10 to the iphone 4 in terms of picture quality...and i clearly see the x10 is better. Iphone 4 was really oversaturated. If you know what your doing with a camera, you can take good pictures.
First thing with the stock x10 camera is turn off image stabalization as that makes the quality bad. To much compression and blur.
Second, i just recently discovered how much better the x10 stock cam is when you use the EV balance effectively. Im a big fan of vignette, but lately my stock x10 cam is taking much nicer shots when i properly use EV balance. I was amazed at the difference.
Metering modes also plays a roll in better pictures....i use center weighted for the majority, but sometimes spot metering is very useful depending on what im taking a picture of and how the light is shinning on my subject.
Also, a steady hand is important.
You dont need the camera mod app as you might end up frustrated with sound/video delay in your video recording. Trust me, EV balance is your best friend with the stock cam.
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I recommend to look on this
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111&start=405
Esato have a lot of people who knows a lot about photography and there are some devs that used to make drivers to "old" phones like c905 k850 and all...
This thread is only for x10 pics taken from users.
Bye!
fiscidtox said:
get vignette from the market.....
Will vastly improve your shots
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Wow, I'm overwhelmed by those shots 28spawn; especially the ones taken by "mode", it's hard to believe he's using an X10!
I'm currently running Wolf's latest 6.1.3 v06, and I don't see any EV balance controls in the camera app, nor did I find any in Vignette. Am I doing something wrong or missing something, because I'd hate to have to revert back to stock just for this.
2ehan said:
Wow, I'm overwhelmed by those shots 28spawn; especially the ones taken by "mode", it's hard to believe he's using an X10!
I'm currently running Wolf's latest 6.1.3 v06, and I don't see any EV balance controls in the camera app, nor did I find any in Vignette. Am I doing something wrong or missing something, because I'd hate to have to revert back to stock just for this.
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Your only gonna find EV control on the stock camera. Which has been a thrill to use. My pictures are fantastic.
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I use Camera360 Ultimate and with it the X10 camera pictures destroys the iPhone 4 pictures. No contest.
taken with vignette when i still had the factory 2.1 rom.
I had to revert to 2.1 from 2.2 ROMs just because a lack of EV correction in 2.2 camera apks and NO dev gave me answer if we will have it in the future... Its cruel as I loved 2.2 (CM 6.1.3) so much. Im taking loads of pictures on vacations, trips and without EV its almost impossible to take good photos... Everybody is posting good quality photos but nobody says how much photos wasnt so good and in many situations you dont have time for playing with settings and trying to take good photo...
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I had to revert to 2.1 from 2.2 ROMs just because a lack of EV correction in 2.2 camera apks and NO dev gave me answer if we will have it in the future... Its cruel as I loved 2.2 (CM 6.1.3) so much. Im taking loads of pictures on vacations, trips and without EV its almost impossible to take good photos... Everybody is posting good quality photos but nobody says how much photos wasnt so good and in many situations you dont have time for playing with settings and trying to take good photo...
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Thats one of the big reasons why i have decided to stay on stock 2.1 now. No EV control in any other roms or apps from the market. I take a crap load of pictures, and lately EV has been my best friend. Cant go without it now.
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i find camera360 app takes great photos myself, give it a try
I hate to be skeptical but I am really doubtful this was taken by an x10
If it genuinely is, mind=blown.
kantk20111 said:
I use Camera360 Ultimate and with it the X10 camera pictures destroys the iPhone 4 pictures. No contest.
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+1...camera 360 is the best imo!!
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I hate to be skeptical but I am really doubtful this was taken by an x10
If it genuinely is, mind=blown.
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Why don't you think it's from a X10?
He just did a macro, then the background gets like that.
Per request in another thread I am here to talk a little.about how to operate this camera in manual mode. I've seen complaints about how.it.performs in auto so hopefully what you see in here will make you switch to manual for your shots.
Let me start by saying you won't get dslr type quality out of this thing but the faults the camera does have from my observations, can be fixed in post easily. Now this is just my style and personal opinion, but I've never had a camera phone that took images that I couldn't make better with a little.bit of post editing. Hell even my professional dslr pictures get the editing treatment.
In my real first experience today with the phone I found that it normally takes decent images. The pictures lack a ton of contrast in my opinion and that was what I found myself adjusting the most. Colors are fairly good except I took one macro of a flower in my garden yesterday that was so saturated all the details in the petals were blown out. It was an overcast day which is the ideal lighting situation for a photographer but for some reason the pink flower turned out neon red in the image. I didn't have that happen today, which was a sunny day, so I'll blame that on a fluke shot or maybe the conditions confused the software for one reason or another.
As far as the camera interface, more importantly, knowing where the settings are so you can access them quickly when trying to take the shot. I am happy with what is offered in manual, the only thing I wished I had was an option for shutter speed but I've only had 1 phone that ever had that option so I'm not complaining.
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As far as the camera interface, more importantly, knowing where the settings are so you can access them quickly when trying to take the shot. I am happy with what is offered in manual, the only thing I wished I had was an option for shutter speed but I've only had 1 phone that ever had that option so I'm not complaining.
Iso, shutter speed, and aperture are all related and affect one another. I haven't looked at specs but I'm assuming we are working with a fixed aperture and we can't change the shutter speed so I'll just talk briefly about iso.
Iso is going to affect how sensitive the sensor is to light around you. In other words you would use low ISO when there is plenty of natural or ambient light around, and a high iso for a night shot or for low ambient light like maybe dim house light or candle light. I haven't tested this phone in bad lighting conditions and I haven't browsed through the picture thread so maybe others can chime in on how it does at night and in low light situations. I had an HTC one and people praise that phone for its picture taking in low light but I found that images were too noisy if you tried to sharpen them afterwards imo.
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I never use the auto mode and I suggest no one do. Even though you are somewhat limited in a camera phone you still want to be able to take the photo you want not the photo the phone wants you to take. You may want to blowout those highlights in the background or you may want to underexpose the image. It all depends on your style and preference. This is why manual mode is the ideal why to shoot. Now you might say for street photography or situations where you just have time to get a quick shot shoot in auto. Which is fine, capturing the picture is what's important not the settings in that situation. But even then I would still say adjust the settings beforehand according to the environment you know you're going to be in so you can shoot freely without worrying about adjustments. I remind you everything I've said thus far is all my opinion. So let me move on to the individual settings and what they do.
Resolution
No need to explain this or self timer or smile shutter. I think we all know what those do.
Focus modes
Single auto is just that. A single focus area in the middle of the viewfinder.I don't like this because it hinders composition.
Multi
This simply places multiple focus areas on the screen. Haven't used this yet. I assume it does its best trying to find the areas you want be in focus I guess for group shots or something.
Face detection is self explanatory
Touch
This is my ideal setting. You simple tap the area in the viewfinder that you want to be in focus. Works well because when you use interesting composition you can focus on any area of the scene instead of a fixed place in the center like in single mode
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Object track
Used this today but didn't snap the shot. It did well following a kid jumping around in a bouncy castle and that was through some netting on the side of the castle. Didn't settle on the still net it tracked the girl back and forth Several times.
Iso I already explained
Metering
Center - this will meter the exposure for what ever is in the middle of the scene you are shooting. I don't see why you would use this setting and I don't know why it's on by default. Maybe your subject isn't in the middle, maybe you're using interesting composition and your subject is off center.
Average - this should.be your default. This takes into consideration the lighting in the entire scene and exposes accordingly.
Spot - advanced metering when you want to expose for a certain place in the scene. For example, if you're shooting into the sun and your subject is back lit you could use spot metering to expose for the subjects face. There face will be properly exposed and the background light will probably be blown out which sometimes makes for an interesting photo.
Image stabilizer is what it is. When this is on you can not adjust iso
EV
This is on the fly exposure. If your scene is too dark or too bright in the viewfinder you can adjust this up and down to compensate for the lighting situation. I believe you can adjust in half stops and full fstop increments.
Cloudy / shade - picture of clouds
These are white balance settings. Cloudy is used for overcast cloudy days or when your subject is in shade. It compensates for the cool blues you get in these conditions and will warm up the photo a bit after its taken.
Sun
Opposite of.the previous setting. It will cool the image a bit when the sun is shining and your photos are too warm.
Fluorescent
This will adjust the color balance when you're taking pics under this type of lighting indoors somewhere
Incandescent
Does the same except for incandescent bulbs such as house lamps etc
Now these aren't set in stone. Rules are made to be broken. You may get a cool effect by using fluorescent setting in the shade or under the sun. It's all about experimenting and creativity and getting the look you like.
I know I've been rambling and typed up an essay but I will finish with some images and some before and after shots. Thanks for reading if I made a mistake or if there are questions feel free to ask.
You can follow me on ig @whentheFstops
Before (how the image came out the camera)
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Btw...it was sunny today so my iso stayed on 100 with touch focus. The only thing I changed was the white balance depending on if the subject was in the sun or the shade
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great guide
Well done!
This guide is very useful!
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Thanks for the guide. In terms of post processing on the phone, what app can you recomnend?
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Here's another perspective to when people complain about image quality and write comments about the "crappy camera" on the Z1:
"For professional pictures I use my DSLR"
-> You will never carry your DSLR around everywhere 100% of the time even on a holiday. "The best camera is the one you have with you" etc.
"I don't have time to change settings, the moment will pass by the time I'm done"
-> Changing the few important settings (ISO, EV and metering) take but some seconds. A bowl of fruit, a mountain in the background, your duckface or that kid peeing over the fence won't disappear or change that quickly. Unless you are taking a picture of a moving car or train, you won't miss a few seconds.
"The camera software on other phones is much better than the Z1"
-> Yes and they also artificially reduse noise by redusing quality.
"I just want to take a quick snap without bothering with any settings"
-> If you are going to take a picture anyway, do you really have to use an excuse to NOT try to make it a good one?
@twoeleven99 - thanks a lot for the guide. I do have one idea to improve the guide even more with the help of others in this little community. How about sharing some good pictures with the most important settings to give an idea what kind of manual settings (what ISO, what EV compensation, what meterin) to use in different circumstances? Such as a picture in bright sunlight , a picture when it's overcast, various low light scenarios etc. What I mean is that because the classic "a picture says more than a thousand words" holds true - we could use pictures to demonstrate how to think about the camera settings. So next time someone goes out on a cloudy day and wants to take a picture, they could just refer to "ah right, I saw a picture in similar circumstances and it had ISO 200, EV +2/3 and metering average."
Great guide!
I see that it's a matter of taste with the settings. I too use "wrong" WB settings to get what I want.
I like playing with the camera on manual, trying everything to capture a great photo. I'm not a photographer, but I like to make the best out of my phone. I have a planned project in future to show the capabilities of the camera.
I want to make good HDR photos and I was amazed to see that this phone can capture a great photo (HDR edit after, not the HDR from the phone) which can be edited later. I was surprised to see low noise after HDR. But, it's only when you have enough light for the photo, otherwise, you will get too much noise.
I'm in middle of exams, I will post more photos, before after.
Thanks again for the guide. Really appreciate it.
how do you get the after shots? they look so good! do you use a program to add contrast and such?
ikkeeuu said:
how do you get the after shots? they look so good! do you use a program to add contrast and such?
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After reading the thread, I was under the impression that the before shots were auto and the after shots were with manual settings. No post processing applied.
Recommend the OP use flickr to upload photos as it makes it easier to review exifs.
thats a great guide ... i will settle down untill you play with scenes .. as every scene got its shutter speed and iso ... starting from 1/10000sec till 0.8Sec
gtizon said:
Thanks for the guide. In terms of post processing on the phone, what app can you recomnend?
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I have a ton of apps but I usually end up in one of the photoshop apps, snapseed, or vsco
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akselic said:
Here's another perspective to when people complain about image quality and write comments about the "crappy camera" on the Z1:
"For professional pictures I use my DSLR"
-> You will never carry your DSLR around everywhere 100% of the time even on a holiday. "The best camera is the one you have with you" etc.
"I don't have time to change settings, the moment will pass by the time I'm done"
-> Changing the few important settings (ISO, EV and metering) take but some seconds. A bowl of fruit, a mountain in the background, your duckface or that kid peeing over the fence won't disappear or change that quickly. Unless you are taking a picture of a moving car or train, you won't miss a few seconds.
"The camera software on other phones is much better than the Z1"
-> Yes and they also artificially reduse noise by redusing quality.
"I just want to take a quick snap without bothering with any settings"
-> If you are going to take a picture anyway, do you really have to use an excuse to NOT try to make it a good one?
@twoeleven99 - thanks a lot for the guide. I do have one idea to improve the guide even more with the help of others in this little community. How about sharing some good pictures with the most important settings to give an idea what kind of manual settings (what ISO, what EV compensation, what meterin) to use in different circumstances? Such as a picture in bright sunlight , a picture when it's overcast, various low light scenarios etc. What I mean is that because the classic "a picture says more than a thousand words" holds true - we could use pictures to demonstrate how to think about the camera settings. So next time someone goes out on a cloudy day and wants to take a picture, they could just refer to "ah right, I saw a picture in similar circumstances and it had ISO 200, EV +2/3 and metering average."
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Ok I will do that next time I'm out and about taking random pictures.
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farfromovin said:
After reading the thread, I was under the impression that the before shots were auto and the after shots were with manual settings. No post processing applied.
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All before pics were taken on manual and the after is edited. You can see the after pics all have had contrast added because like I said this camera and software combination has a severe lack of it in my opinion especially under sunlight. Pictures in the shade weren't so bad.
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ashouhdy said:
thats a great guide ... i will settle down untill you play with scenes .. as every scene got its shutter speed and iso ... starting from 1/10000sec till 0.8Sec
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Didn't know there where scene modes. Do I have to be in auto mode to see them?
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Didn't know there where scene modes. Do I have to be in auto mode to see them?
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For the scenes you have to be on 8MP in Manual mode. They will show up in the upper left corner right above the EV setting.
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Recommend the OP use flickr to upload photos as it makes it easier to review exifs.
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Will do. I was going to open a new Flickr account today I will make a folder for xperia pics and will drop a link
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The camera is great overall, much like the S7 was and still is, however, I get a feeling Samsung's software is applying some sort of auto smoothing technique while shooting in Auto. I've noticed lately when I take a photo of someone in an environment, everything in the image is crisp with great detail accept for the person or people looking at the camera. Their skin appears a tad smooth, with no pores and less wrinkles, but the accessories they're wearing, and their clothes, are crisp with fantastic detail.
I've downloaded the stock Google camera app to test it, and in the same environment, the person's skin is how it was on the S7 camera, much more detailed and realistic. I can see pores and imperfections. What's stranger is, if the person is not looking at the camera, it's like the software doesn't recognize a face, and that person's side features like the skin has far more realistic detail as apposed to when they're looking at the camera and it becomes more smooth. I can see their freckles and pores more.
I thought for awhile my camera was back focusing and I just wasn't focused on the faces of people, thus resulting in a tad blurry face. But I kept noticing their hats and shirts, which are at the same focal distance, had fantastic detail. Taking a landscape or cityscape photo results in crisp and detailed images, but put someone at full length in the shot for a portrait, and their face is smooth as apposed to everything around them.
I have a hunch Samsung is applying auto smoothing of people's skin while shooting in auto. The Google camera app isn't doing that. If it's because they think most consumer's would appreciate smoother looking skin, well maybe ok, but that's what the selfie feature of beauty mode is for, not the rear camera.
Anyone else notice this?
I have the same problem. How can it be fixed?
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The camera is great overall, much like the S7 was and still is, however, I get a feeling Samsung's software is applying some sort of auto smoothing technique while shooting in Auto. I've noticed lately when I take a photo of someone in an environment, everything in the image is crisp with great detail accept for the person or people looking at the camera. Their skin appears a tad smooth, with no pores and less wrinkles, but the accessories they're wearing, and their clothes, are crisp with fantastic detail.
I've downloaded the stock Google camera app to test it, and in the same environment, the person's skin is how it was on the S7 camera, much more detailed and realistic. I can see pores and imperfections. What's stranger is, if the person is not looking at the camera, it's like the software doesn't recognize a face, and that person's side features like the skin has far more realistic detail as apposed to when they're looking at the camera and it becomes more smooth. I can see their freckles and pores more.
I thought for awhile my camera was back focusing and I just wasn't focused on the faces of people, thus resulting in a tad blurry face. But I kept noticing their hats and shirts, which are at the same focal distance, had fantastic detail. Taking a landscape or cityscape photo results in crisp and detailed images, but put someone at full length in the shot for a portrait, and their face is smooth as apposed to everything around them.
I have a hunch Samsung is applying auto smoothing of people's skin while shooting in auto. The Google camera app isn't doing that. If it's because they think most consumer's would appreciate smoother looking skin, well maybe ok, but that's what the selfie feature of beauty mode is for, not the rear camera.
Anyone else notice this?
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I have the same problem. How can it be fixed?
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It's definitely bizarre. Probably most consumers won't notice and if they do, don't care and maybe even some appreciate it. Again, I have no idea if this is indeed a little trick Samsung baked into the camera software, but I've stopped shooting with AUTO unless it's a landscape scene or I need the HDR mode (Samsung does a fantastic job with HDR without making it look cheesy fake).
My workflow is now I shoot in the PRO mode if my main subject is a person, and process with Snapseed or Adobe Photoshop Express. The details are crisp and awesome. AUTO mode makes the people's faces look like an oil painting while the rest of the scene is crisp with great detail. Totally bizarre!
I'd use another camera app, but the speed of shooting in RAW mode is so fast with the stock app, and if I need HDR, it's right there in the options menu rather than opening another camera app. So I'm still using the stock app, just changed my workflow.
That's very helpful, thanks. I will try that and let you know how the results are. I am coming from an S6 which does not exhibit this problem. It's a bit sad to me to see faces looking heavily over-processed. Interestingly this is something I found LG did in the past and the main reason I didn't get a G4 back in the day. Like you say it also seems quite specific to faces so I presume it's algorithmic and an attempt to prettify faces or something like you can do with selfies. It's just a pity it's not an option/flag because otherwise the camera is extremely capable, especially (I find) in dealing with difficult lighting.
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It's definitely bizarre. Probably most consumers won't notice and if they do, don't care and maybe even some appreciate it. Again, I have no idea if this is indeed a little trick Samsung baked into the camera software, but I've stopped shooting with AUTO unless it's a landscape scene or I need the HDR mode (Samsung does a fantastic job with HDR without making it look cheesy fake).
My workflow is now I shoot in the PRO mode if my main subject is a person, and process with Snapseed or Adobe Photoshop Express. The details are crisp and awesome. AUTO mode makes the people's faces look like an oil painting while the rest of the scene is crisp with great detail. Totally bizarre!
I'd use another camera app, but the speed of shooting in RAW mode is so fast with the stock app, and if I need HDR, it's right there in the options menu rather than opening another camera app. So I'm still using the stock app, just changed my workflow.
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Sorry if I can ask just two questions:
(1) Do you have a Sony or Samsung sensor? I am wondering if it's a problem specific to ISOCELL since I don't see evidence of it in many reviews
(2) What specifically do you do with Snapseed?
Thanks
JDM9499 said:
It's definitely bizarre. Probably most consumers won't notice and if they do, don't care and maybe even some appreciate it. Again, I have no idea if this is indeed a little trick Samsung baked into the camera software, but I've stopped shooting with AUTO unless it's a landscape scene or I need the HDR mode (Samsung does a fantastic job with HDR without making it look cheesy fake).
My workflow is now I shoot in the PRO mode if my main subject is a person, and process with Snapseed or Adobe Photoshop Express. The details are crisp and awesome. AUTO mode makes the people's faces look like an oil painting while the rest of the scene is crisp with great detail. Totally bizarre!
I'd use another camera app, but the speed of shooting in RAW mode is so fast with the stock app, and if I need HDR, it's right there in the options menu rather than opening another camera app. So I'm still using the stock app, just changed my workflow.
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renegadem4ster said:
That's very helpful, thanks. I will try that and let you know how the results are. I am coming from an S6 which does not exhibit this problem. It's a bit sad to me to see faces looking heavily over-processed. Interestingly this is something I found LG did in the past and the main reason I didn't get a G4 back in the day. Like you say it also seems quite specific to faces so I presume it's algorithmic and an attempt to prettify faces or something like you can do with selfies. It's just a pity it's not an option/flag because otherwise the camera is extremely capable, especially (I find) in dealing with difficult lighting.
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Sorry if I can ask just two questions:
(1) Do you have a Sony or Samsung sensor? I am wondering if it's a problem specific to ISOCELL since I don't see evidence of it in many reviews
(2) What specifically do you do with Snapseed?
Thanks
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How can I find it which sensor I have?
Install Aida64 from play store (sorry I cannot link to it)
In the "Devices" section, if you have a Sony sensor it will say Sony something for Camera ID. If it's ISOCELL it will say SLSI_somethingsomething
JDM9499 said:
How can I find it which sensor I have?
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renegadem4ster said:
Install Aida64 from play store (sorry I cannot link to it)
In the "Devices" section, if you have a Sony sensor it will say Sony something for Camera ID. If it's ISOCELL it will say SLSI_somethingsomething
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I have the Sony sensor. And like you mentioned, there's prettyfying going on with aggressive image over-processing. I don't think it's hardware related because the RAW files are awesome. But AUTO mode definitely did not do this with my past Galaxy's (S6 & S7). In fact, the jpegs were so good I almost never shot in RAW!
I hope Samsung can scale this back on a future update. Realistic looking people is not always a bad thing.
Well it's good to know it's not the sensor type because they don't sell Sony varieties where I live. But yeah I mean in some other situations I take staggeringly good photos so I wish Samsung would just tone it down in an update or something. Otherwise I might just swap it for a Pixel/Pixel 2. It irritates me a bit but there's no real noise about it on the web.
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I have the Sony sensor. And like you mentioned, there's prettyfying going on with aggressive image over-processing. I don't think it's hardware related because the RAW files are awesome. But AUTO mode definitely did not do this with my past Galaxy's (S6 & S7). In fact, the jpegs were so good I almost never shot in RAW!
I hope Samsung can scale this back on a future update. Realistic looking people is not always a bad thing.
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Well it's good to know it's not the sensor type because they don't sell Sony varieties where I live. But yeah I mean in some other situations I take staggeringly good photos so I wish Samsung would just tone it down in an update or something. Otherwise I might just swap it for a Pixel/Pixel 2. It irritates me a bit but there's no real noise about it on the web.
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"...but there's no real noise about it on the web."
I think because a majority of consumers honestly don't care if people's facial details are 'prettified', and honestly may actually appreciate it. I and other folks that love photography prefer the realistic detail though!
Guys what does that yellow auto button do in Pro mode?
I've seen it pop up now and then on screen in Pro.
choccy31 said:
Guys what does that yellow auto button do in Pro mode?
I've seen it pop up now and then on screen in Pro.
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Can you take a screen grab next time you see it? I'm not certain what it is you see because I don't see a yellow auto button unless I open up one of the manual control options like shutter speed etc., which is just an indication that it's in auto (even though it's the pro mode) and you're not manually adjusting yourself. If that makes sense...
I have seen this since the Galaxy S7 Edge. Samsung automatically sets up their beauty function on the camera that way when a selfie is being taken. Very simple to remove. All you have to do is click the icon of a woman's head on the bottom right and set everything to 0.
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I have seen this since the Galaxy S7 Edge. Samsung automatically sets up their beauty function on the camera that way when a selfie is being taken. Very simple to remove. All you have to do is click the icon of a woman's head on the bottom right and set everything to 0.
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That too, but we're talking about the rear camera. Not the selfie camera. The rear camera appears to also be applying a smoothing or "prettify" effect to people's faces when recognized. It's subtle, but enough to notice people's skins are smooth and less detailed then the clothes or their surrounding environment are.
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Can you take a screen grab next time you see it? I'm not certain what it is you see because I don't see a yellow auto button unless I open up one of the manual control options like shutter speed etc., which is just an indication that it's in auto (even though it's the pro mode) and you're not manually adjusting yourself. If that makes sense...
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Ah that makes sense. So even in Pro it can sit select settings itself.
Does that mean will still take in RAW also?
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Ah that makes sense. So even in Pro it can sit select settings itself.
Does that mean will still take in RAW also?
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Even in Pro mode, you can still let the shutter speed, ISO etc., stay AUTO. And yup, you can still save in RAW. :good:
So, in the end this irked me so much I sold the phone. I read a lot of reviews and chatted to some guys and the general consensus is if you want to see detail on faces, get a Pixel. I noticed also in testing (I tested against a few phones) that the iPhone 7 does the same thing but in a less exaggerated way. Lastly, I don't have enough cred to post links but check out Phandroid comparison of S5, S6, S7 and S8. This was exactly my experience coming from an S6 to an S8.
I did also do an experiment taking selfies with the rear camera. Previously I had mostly been taking pics of my kids. Now I'm a grizzled-ish dude. Lots of lines on my face and wrinkles. Too much sun, no cream, getting old. I won't lie the camera kind of made me look good. The combination of sharpening and smoothing made it a good pic. Maybe that is why nobody moans? With my kid, I miss the reality of it. Where are the freckles and fine hairs or tiny pimples on their faces? But with me it's like smoothing out flaws. Maybe that's why generally people like it. It creates pleasing pictures that may not be too true to reality. In particular the photos look best zoomed out so good for Facebook/Instagram.
Good luck with the Pixel guys. I bought one before my S8 and loved it until I started taking photos. Before I had taken my 5th photo I started noticing awful flare and halos whenever there was a light source anywhere in front of the phone - not even necessarily in the frame. My best photos are taken contre-jour and the delicate lighting effects you can get shooting towards the sun in particular can result in some lovely shots. Knowing I would have to stop taking these sort of photos was a real deal-breaker and I returned the Pixel and ordered an S8. I took a photo last weekend with the sun actually in the frame and got very minimal flare. It would have destroyed the Pixel photo.
The S8 is truly brilliant at handling difficult light sources, especially rear-lit. The only problem I had with it is the way it totally killed facial textures.
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Good luck with the Pixel guys. I bought one before my S8 and loved it until I started taking photos. Before I had taken my 5th photo I started noticing awful flare and halos whenever there was a light source anywhere in front of the phone - not even necessarily in the frame. My best photos are taken contre-jour and the delicate lighting effects you can get shooting towards the sun in particular can result in some lovely shots. Knowing I would have to stop taking these sort of photos was a real deal-breaker and I returned the Pixel and ordered an S8. I took a photo last weekend with the sun actually in the frame and got very minimal flare. It would have destroyed the Pixel photo.
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The S8 is truly brilliant at handling difficult light sources, especially rear-lit. The only problem I had with it is the way it totally killed facial textures.
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A photo of my granddaughter. One of the first I took on my new S8. Can you see the issue here?
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Looks pretty good. Not being familiar with your granddaughter it's difficult for me to comment how true to life it is. But when taking pictures of my own children on my S8, it had a super strong tendency to just wash away all the facial texture making it unnaturally smooth-looking. I don't think it would help for me to post the image because again you don't know what it should look like. On my S6, there is subtlety in the texture.. dapples of colour, fine marks etc. On the S8 it's just like smooth white. I'm not sure if that's making sense
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A photo of my granddaughter. One of the first I took on my new S8. Can you see the issue here?
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