I sent a email to killermobil asking if his software "Total Recall Android" would work on the Atrix. he stated in his email about phone call recording "Most Motos are simply incapable (intentionally prevented by Moto)."
Is this true?
Has anybody had any luck with software currently available recording phone calls? I dearly miss being able to reference past conversations.
None of this works for me (free versions):
- AllCallRecorder (Android Labs);
- AutoCallRecorder (Roman G.);
- Call Recorder (Schass Innab).
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I sent a email to killermobil asking if his software "Total Recall Android" would work on the Atrix. he stated in his email about phone call recording "Most Motos are simply incapable (intentionally prevented by Moto)."
Is this true?
Has anybody had any luck with software currently available recording phone calls? I dearly miss being able to reference past conversations.
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Free version to try:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.killermobile.totalrecall.trial
<edit> I just tried this, and it only seems to try and record the outbound side of the conversation, as the files were labelled "out" in the name. Also, the recordings would not play back on my phone or on my PC.
just a sidebar but is it illegal to record any conversations without consent?
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just a sidebar but is it illegal to record any conversations without consent?
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It varies by state.
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Yeah in the US it is for sure.
Each state has its own rules. some require you to say the call is being recorded, some require a beep and others don't require anything at all.
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Can someone please explain, once and for all, why recording incoming audio for calls is so damn difficult? Forget about the legality of it or whatever - my question is purely technical. What are the technical difficulties that a developer runs into when trying to write a call recordning app? Particularly for the Atrix?
I've heard that "moto blocks it", but that's not really an answer. Is the driver "hidden" in some way? Is the stream encrypted or something? Is there no API function that exposes the incoming audio stream?
On phones that do successfully record the inbound audio, how is the app doing it, and why does it work on that phone, but not on another? What's different about the platform/software/driver/electronics/etc?
Thanks
EDIT: Started a new thread for this question here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1096038
I understand that the module api is just missing the code in there. for example there is another phone (can't remember the model) that someone was able to bring the module from another phone and get the x model to do phone recording.
The x phone thread is on xda just not a atrix
We need to find either that module that we can bring to the atrix or write a add in that access the hardware that exists.
PS it is not illegal to record your side of the phone call.
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No it's not! In some states such as Massachusetts both parties must consent. In other states such as Georgia only one party must consent, and if the second party is you, you hopefully give yourself consent to record. The state you are recording in is the law which applies.
If you are not one of the parties involved in the call it is illegal in all states.
Federal law differs from state law, and can be cited in court instead of state law.
Once again Chubby you provide bs information!
(How do I know this? Legal advice from attorneys and state prior to recording calls in 2 states for a pending court case)
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Each state has its own rules. some require you to say the call is being recorded, some require a beep and others don't require anything at all.
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See my previous post! Also, a beep means nothing other than start leaving your voicemail!
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Let get back to the topic. we need something new in order to record both sides of the Atrix
Awesome hardware needs Awesome capability
in Minnesota there is NO restriction on phone recording, I have used them in court all the time.
Google this "recording-telephone-calls-laws-state-by-state-directory" and this "Telephone_recording_laws"
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Let get back to the topic. we need something new in order to record both sides of the Atrix
Awesome hardware needs Awesome capability
in Minnesota there is NO restriction on phone recording, I have used them in court all the time.
Google this "recording-telephone-calls-laws-state-by-state-directory" and this "Telephone_recording_laws"
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From the Minnesota State Code
Minn. Stat. § 626A.02: It is legal for a person to record a wire, oral or electronic communication if that person is a party to the communication, or if one of the parties has consented to the recording
Yup, see my previous post also! As I said there, some states require only one person to consent. If you are a party involved, obviously you consent. If not, one of the people do have to consent, otherwise it IS illegal in Minnesota to record telephone conversations if you are not an involved party, or none of the actual involved parties have consented! Think that pretty much blows your "NO restriction" out of the water.
<edit> And yes, I know I am a ****!
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State Laws (Table)
While the U.S. federal law only requires one-party consent, many states have accepted different laws. In some states all parties must give their consent or at least be notified that the call is about to be recorded (with necessary opt-out option: if you don’t like them to record the call, you can ask them to stop recording). There also was a case law decision from many years ago (the 1950's) that went to the Supreme Court and affirmed that the federal law does not supersede state authority/statutes unless the call or the tap crosses state lines – that is why each state went ahead and established their own guideline/statute.
States Requiring One Party Notification
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
District Of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
Nevada
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Oregon
Ohio
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming
States Requiring Two Party Notification
California
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Massachusetts
Maryland
Michigan
Montana
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania
Washington
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in Minnesota there is NO restriction on phone recording, I have used them in court all the time.
Google this "recording-telephone-calls-laws-state-by-state-directory" and this "Telephone_recording_laws"
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You have docket numbers for "all" these court cases? I'm still waiting for a response to my previous post Mr Minnesota!
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OldOneEye: it is exactly as CaleanT said. There are no states that have a "no party consent" law or something like that. The only reason you could use those phone recordings in court "all the time" is because someone consented to being recorded.... usually the person doing the recording. Had the judge heard two people's voices on the phone, and neither one was yours, It probably wouldn't be used. If you hand your phone to someone to use, and their phone call is recorded without their knowledge... that's illegal. If you're in a "two party consent" state, and the person on the other end hasn't been informed or hasn't agreed to have the conversation recorded... that's illegal. No if's, and's, or but's about it.
Please, can we pass the-consent,-no-consent-state-law to other side?
Not every one live in US, sorry.
Looking forward to the TS question's answered..
Minnesota ftw!
I would really suggest for all of your stuck without a device that supports call recording, and if you really, really need to record calls, pick up a cheap, used Nokia Symbian device to use for your recording needs. An E71 (which is a great device, if not a bit dated) will run you not much more than $100, and unlike on Android, call recording is crystal clear and very stable on Symbian devices. As an added benefit you get some really solid battery life (due to the lack of a touch screen on most older Symbian devices).
Anyways, that's my 2 cents if call recording really is mission critical for you.
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A while back if memory serves, the FCC in the US mandated that all new mobile phones must have a GPS receiver for E911 (our emergency number is 911). This is so that a more exact locationcan be provided to emergency workers.
Tmobile started selling the MDA (wizard) after this mandate (again if memory serves). I was wondering if anyone has any information on the gps receiver. My guessi s that it is like many many other mobiles where its part of the GSM radio and not part of the pda'smart components. I just think that it would be neat to expose this device to apps should it exist.
Does anyone even know if this does exist? I am just going on speculation to say that it does, I know many carriers in america wont even do a new activation on a mobile if it doesnt support GPS for E911.
Thanks for any info
i never heard something like that. sound like a april joke :lol:
and if there is such a function, i'm sure "they" use it to catch all the bad bad very bad terrorists in the country!
sorry i can't belive that... A GPS Sender in every mobilphone... _very_ unrealistic
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i never heard something like that. sound like a april joke :lol:
and if there is such a function, i'm sure "they" use it to catch all the bad bad very bad terrorists in the country!
sorry i can't belive that... A GPS Sender in every mobilphone... sound unrealistic
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It isnt a transmitter only a receiver, which costs a couple of dollars to implement, less if its like Qualcomm's cdma chips that do gps on the chip.
This information is transmitted when you dial emergency services. My nokia 6110 has one and I am about halfway there to getting it to display the location information on the lcd. But the wizard is more usable for more of what I need so I wanted to go with that for now
See
http://www.sss-mag.com/e911.html
http://www.skyaid.org/LifeWatch/gps_cell_phone_etdn_1999.htm
This stemmed from a 1996 order but the higher accuracy qas only to come about in 2001. As a result many carriers demanded that the mobiles they offer here have gps receivers.
They can be turned on from remote but in america it requires a title III warrant (dont believe the media hype calling international calls 'domestic wiretaps' ). title III warrants are the same arrants that are required to listen to the content of the call (CDR data such as who called whom, when and for how long, but not the content) never required a wiretap order only a subpoena if the companies dont volunteer that info, presumably that includes cell tower id info but not the gps info for some reason. Or so says a friend on the high tech crime squad locally to me.
I was just curious if this device did infact have one, as would seem to be required to get the resolution that is required without much more expensive network upgrades (such as a time delay system that tries to read the time offsets of GSM protocol messages or using multiple towers to more accurately pinpoint the location of the person. Although there are such time delay systems in europe, I do not know how widely they are deployed.
To cut a very long story short (as possible!) here is a letter i have written to the UK CEO of Vodafone:
Dear Mr Laurence,
I previously wrote to you regarding several issues that occurred for UK Vodafone customers who had been supplied by your company with an HTC HD2.
I applaud you for your swift action regarding this matter and most if not all of the problems surrounding the supply, warranty and functionality of this handset have been resolved.
You were the first of the major networks in the UK to release a ROM update for this device, but i feel this would not have happened without my letter to you or your prompt response.
I am therefore deeply saddened to have to write directly to you once more after discovering some disturbing facts about the supply of mobile internet to each and every one of your customers.
You may or may not be aware of a Live TV streaming service in the UK at tvcatchup.com.
This free streaming service requires a web browser that has adobe flash capabilities.
I have an HTC HD2 and know that by using the also freely available Skyfire browser i am able to view over 40 live TV channels directly on the tvcatchup.com website.
HOWEVER...
I recently discovered m.tvcatchup.com ... a mobile oriented version of the service. The mobile website allows you to choose whether you would like a high quality stream or a low quality version... your choice.
Another major difference between using m.tvcatchup.com and the normal website on an HTC HD2 is the live stream will run within the HD2's built in streaming player and not within a web browser window.
BUT...
Vodafone seem to be blocking any attempted connections by the in built streaming player to the free live TV stream.
The service works perfectly fine over wifi and also when using a T-Mobile SIM on the very same handset. I suspect it will also work with other network providers also but they remain untested by myself at present.
WHY ARE VODAFONE BLOCKING THIS SERVICE?
I would like this rectified as soon as possible as do many other UK Vodafone customers as seen by the response to this issue on your own customer support web forums.
I will remind you that i am a loyal customer of Vodafone UK and have been for more than 10 years. I pay my bills in full and on time every month including any data charges incurred by browsing the web over GPRS/3G/HSDPA.
What right do Vodafone have to restrict my service?
This is unacceptable.
What is even more astounding here is the discovery that the tvcatchup.com service streams perfectly well to the built in streaming app of a Vodafone supplied iPhone on the very same Vodafone UK network!
Why would this service be available to your iPhone customers without issue but blocked to everyone of your other customers?
I look forward to your response in this matter.
Kind Regards,
Hmm,an interesting read,very well written letter I must say mate.
I await their response,should be worth waiting for eh....
As a side point I have no problems with Virgin Mobile and TV Catchup.
Very well written letter I look forward to you're response you, get and as the above poster confirms I also have no problem using Virgin UK
Nice letter.
As a phone operator, Vodafone do suck root. I am stuck with the idiots for another 18 months and each month there are more revelations from them squeezing customers even more.
Let us know if you get a response.
Take the caps out, format it with italics. Caps are really bad grammar, otherwise a very nice letter.
Thanks for your support guys.
I cant actually believe the complete arrogance displayed by the moderators over at the Vodafone forums.
Read the following thread and you will see what i am on about: http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/topic/64258-mobile-internet-tv-catchup-streaming-blocked/
How are any of their customers supposed to voice their opinions if they keep locking threads?
thats great, lets just lock the thread every-time someone complains lol
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thats great, lets just lock the thread every-time someone complains lol
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i had another one completely deleted without a trace... shocking behaviour from a customer "support" forum.
I also have no problems using Orange UK
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i had another one completely deleted without a trace... shocking behaviour from a customer "support" forum.
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It's normal behaviour from the mods on there. Had plenty of posts and a thread deleted from their forum when the FUP mess exploded lol. I'm 1 warning away from a ban on there
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It's normal behaviour from the mods on there. Had plenty of posts and a thread deleted from their forum when the FUP mess exploded lol. I'm 1 warning away from a ban on there
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It has to stop to be fair. Their over zealous approach to anyone who has any complaint about their company is simply highlighting them as very sneaky corporate dictatorship. Its a totally bizzarre situation where a forum specifically designed to enable people to put up their complaints and have them resolved is being moderated in this manner.
I reposted the thread which was near instantly deleted from the VF eForum on the MSE forum http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2526069 as I know the Voda Web Team are authorised to reply in an official capacity on there... doubt they'll ever reply, they obviously don't like "difficult" questions
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I reposted the thread which was near instantly deleted from the VF eForum on the MSE forum http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2526069 as I know the Voda Web Team are authorised to reply in an official capacity on there... doubt they'll ever reply, they obviously don't like "difficult" questions
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I didnt know anything about that particular issue so thanks for the heads up.
I received a phone call from the Directors office earlier and was promised some answers with regard to streaming by end of play Monday. I will be sure to raise this data allowance issue also.
Just for the record i also mentioned the over zealous nature of the Vodafone e-forum team when it comes to muting the public on top of their constant posting of misinformation (i have had to correct them a number of times in relation to their own services). I am hopeful that this will get addressed in a proper manner.
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I received a phone call from the Directors office earlier and was promised some answers with regard to streaming by end of play Monday.
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It shows some commitment on their part that you're even getting a response from that sort of level. I couldn't imagine O2 doing the same.
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It shows some commitment on their part that you're even getting a response from that sort of level. I couldn't imagine O2 doing the same.
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I would hope so but to be honest i cant help but feel that they are responding to me in a timely manner due to my history with them :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=621788&highlight=rom+update+vodafone
As you can see (and as mentioned in my letter in the first post) this isnt the first time i felt the need to write to their CEO. Its not a good look for either party if this keeps happening.
I understand quite a few of the UK mobile operators are adding into the small print limitations on the data plans...
So where you think you have an unlimited data plan you actually have limitations on certain types of data.. ie internet or certain streaming sites...
I suspect Vodafone are doing this...
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I understand quite a few of the UK mobile operators are adding into the small print limitations on the data plans...
So where you think you have an unlimited data plan you actually have limitations on certain types of data.. ie internet or certain streaming sites...
I suspect Vodafone are doing this...
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To be fair they are entitled to restrict any content they want on their own network. The real issue here is the simple inconsistent, unfair and unbalanced nature of their restrictions. I quoted TV Catchup as a perfect example as iPhone users have no problem streaming from m.tvcatchup.com ... so what about everyone else? Yes HD2 users can use skyfire and stream directly in the browser using the normal website, but the point is the restrictions should either apply for everyone or no-one.
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I did email our friend Guy after the Web Team messed up again... Basically the story goes thus:
1) After they said on 1st June we could swap the "unlimited" 500MB data allowance for a 1GB one, I asked them to do exactly that and received an email confirmation from the web team that they had changed my plan to 1GB, and that the price, contract end date and all other allowances would remain as they were. After 3 weeks of email (mis)communication, I thought it was finally all sorted...
2) the day after that, and in true VF style, I got a "you have exceeded your 500MB data allowance text" so as I was now on a 1GB allowance I tought it could be one of 2 things: a) the system hadn't quite caught up with itself or b) the VF Web Team had f****d up again. Hmmm better check which so email back to the web team...
3) reply from them "sorry I made a mistake, you cannot have unlimited landlines with the new plan, so what I set up didn't save". Eh? Where does it say that in their announcement.
4) Toys out of the pram time, email to Guy which resulted in the people from the Director's Office to get in touch and we managed to agree an "acceptable compromise"
332 days until the end of my contract and after that it's bye bye Vodafail.
Edit: Ooooh I seem to have earned myself yet another "final warning" (erm, that's my 3rd final warning lol) from the VF mods, I'm scaaaaaaaaared, they are threatening to ban me Oh and all I did was suggest to some girl who was going nowhere with CS to email the CEO to get things moving, I did not give the name or the email address. Apparently my post was not "providing help or guidance to others"... muppets...
Related story posted on the Register:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/18/vodafone_rtsp/
leaving vodafone was the best move i ever made. their customer service is shocking. i left them about 6 months ago and still get "your bill is available to view online" emails from them......WTF !?!.
My SGS phone app has this button to make a video call, and I'm totally curious about this functionality. I haven't seen anyone posting on the forums about it, and it's barely mentioned in the phone's user manual. Anyone successfully placed video calls with the default phone app?
Anyone know how it works -- what protocols/technologies?
Does it rely on your carrier having implemented something in order to work, or does it work over the internet?
Does it only work to other SGS phones, or can it work with other phones or video conferencing applications?
BTW, my SGS came from SingTel and is currently running JG1, but the option to make video calls was present in the original firmware, too.
if you are in USA or Canada, you can forget about it.
our networks currently does allow / provide that feature.
if you are in Europe or Asia, you should have no problem using it with another person that has the same feature on their phone.
there are 3rd party applications that uses Video Call of IP phone, google it
Just tried it, videocalled my girlfriend on her Nokia E52, worked splendidly
Hah Apple - videocall just other apple-people? Lame.
this sounds like functionality supported by carriers outside the US... (I'm in the US.) so I'm curious, how do you establish the call? Do you simply dial her regular mobile phone number and press the video call button and then everything else just works? in other words, no typing in IP addresses, no logging in to 3rd party services like Skype, nothing other than simply dialing a mobile phone number?
I can confirm that it works quite well. Most European carriers have been offering this feature for years (I could place video calls with my old Nokia N80 4 years ago), and sometimes they don't cost extra if you call a subscriber of the same carrier.
You just select video call instead of normal call, and if the other phone supports it you'll get video, as long as the other person chooses to enable it. I've tried a few calls with the SGS and I've been told that the quality of the received image is pretty good.
If the other phone doesn't support it, or is not under 3G cover you'll get a 'video call currently not possible' error.
darnap said it quite well
Remember trying in on my old N95 many years ago, but didn't see any real use for it
Yeah I had this on my NEC E313 phone like 5 years ago, curiously we somehow managed to do it over the phone network, on phones that are like pocket calculators now. I wonder if Steve really had to swallow his pride when he made such a big thing of it, and it only working over WiFi.
Like others I tried it a few years ago, simply dialing the number and choosing video call. However, the price of video calling was like 4, 5 or 6 times the price of a normal call(I forget the pricing, but it was quite a difference)... I've only used it like 3-4 times, and that was just for me or others to try it out. I don't know, nor have I heard of, anyone who uses it on a regular basis. It's just a "Ooh! Shiny feature! Must try it out" kinda thing. Gets old REAL fast imo.
Regards
my old HTC Athena can do it, i'm surprised Windows Mobile actually made that work
again it only works in Europe and Asia AFAIK, when i try it in America it doesn't do anything
America doesn't have video calling yet? Sheesh, even Austraila has had it for years! Although it costs almost a dollar a minute to use...
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Just tried it, videocalled my girlfriend on her Nokia E52, worked splendidly
Hah Apple - videocall just other apple-people? Lame.
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Be aware that Fring and Skype are fighting each other so they can't call each other.
Also iPhone 4 can video call any other phones such as SGS too, using applications such as Fring.
Actually, their video call method is way more superior to ours. They don't need cell minutes which means they can do video call even on an airplane. The performance is also superior. I wish some Android developers come up with a video call application using that protocol soon. I also like to see video call application using thus protocol on desktop computers.
wont be superior for long unless said person is grandfathered into an unlimited data plan. However, you could still video call with wifi when its available for no cost. I have to add that skype is coming to android later this year and apparently its going to be the best thing in video calling. I hope they deliver.
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America doesn't have video calling yet? Sheesh, even Austraila has had it for years! Although it costs almost a dollar a minute to use...
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yup! it sucks to live in America... we always get the oldest technology here... they dare to call themselves "1st" world countries...
for the past 10~20 years we've always had the junk phones from Europe/Asia basically anything that was new for you guys 5 years ago, is "new" in America.
it was not until iphone launched, that people realized all the stuff they've been missing.
I've been playing with smartphones 5~10 years before the iphone band wagon started, it's funny that people never realized that the features in iphone was looooooooong available on phones that were already available elsewhere in the world.
anyways Amen, finally carriers are starting to bring in the latest on smartphones to America
unfortunately like CARS, they are crippled to fit the "American's Needs" most Japanese import cars are crippled if you compare them to the same car made in Japan.
another example our SGS i9000 phones, the American version is crippled as well... sigh...
anyways.... i'll rather move to anywhere in Europe instead, unfortunately work are the cost of living are more expensive in the UK, maybe I should try Spain or Italy, or France
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yup! it sucks to live in America... we always get the oldest technology here... they dare to call themselves "1st" world countries...
for the past 10~20 years we've always had the junk phones from Europe/Asia basically anything that was new for you guys 5 years ago, is "new" in America.
it was not until iphone launched, that people realized all the stuff they've been missing.
I've been playing with smartphones 5~10 years before the iphone band wagon started, it's funny that people never realized that the features in iphone was looooooooong available on phones that were already available elsewhere in the world.
anyways Amen, finally carriers are starting to bring in the latest on smartphones to America
unfortunately like CARS, they are crippled to fit the "American's Needs" most Japanese import cars are crippled if you compare them to the same car made in Japan.
another example our SGS i9000 phones, the American version is crippled as well... sigh...
anyways.... i'll rather move to anywhere in Europe instead, unfortunately work are the cost of living are more expensive in the UK, maybe I should try Spain or Italy, or France
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Good Riddance.. .
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Be aware that Fring and Skype are fighting each other so they can't call each other.
Also iPhone 4 can video call any other phones such as SGS too, using applications such as Fring.
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I know, my point was that with all other phones you don't need third party applications such as Fring.
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I know, my point was that with all other phones you don't need third party applications such as Fring.
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Not true.
Everyone that you calls would have made their own decisions on whther they would use Skype or Fring. So if you want to call them, you have no choice but to also have to use the same third party applications such as Fring or whatever one which is compatible with the other party's. If you're really into video calls, I suspect you need to have every popular third party applications installed on your own phone.
What? No.. If I'd want to videocall any one of my friends that don't have an iPhone, we've wouldn't have needed any third party application such as Fring or Skype - that's my point.. If I were to videocall friends with iPhone 4, we'd have to use Fring/Skype.
This is at least as long we're here in Europe, where videocalls have been something "all" mobile phones and networks have had for years.
Your last sentence I'm agreeing fully with though.
The point is that videocalling is a basic UMTS feature, so you don't need any extra application to use it. Most UMTS phones support it out of the box as it is a standard, so they are all compatible across vendors and models. The iPhone (even the iPhone 4) is one of the few phones that lacks the UMTS video calling capability, so it needs a third party app to do it.
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What? No.. If I'd want to videocall any one of my friends that don't have an iPhone, we've wouldn't have needed any third party application such as Fring or Skype - that's my point.. If I were to videocall friends with iPhone 4, we'd have to use Fring/Skype.
This is at least as long we're here in Europe, where videocalls have been something "all" mobile phones and networks have had for years.
Your last sentence I'm agreeing fully with though.
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my fellow xda members, as of 1/26/13 unlocking cellphones in the US will be illegal. its sad to think congress actually passed this ban, but it seems to be the case.. if youd like to read more into what all this means, heres a good link you can read up on.
yeah, theres an actual unlocking section in the general area of xda, but if theres ever been a movement deserving of getting posted everywhere people will see, i cant think of a better cause. a petition has been raised on our governments official website. please sign, share, and spread the word. im sure xda members more than anyone else realize the negative effects, and huge step in the wrong direction this is for openness in not just the android community, but all mobile communities.
petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal
Good thing I'm in the UK, Congress need to reconsider the Anthem of the United States.
"Land of the Free"
"I can't unlock my Phone "
Poor US
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Good thing I'm in the UK, Congress need to reconsider the Anthem of the United States.
"Land of the Free"
"I can't unlock my Phone "
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Why can't you unlock your phone? Call your provider, pay the fee (usually £15) and wall-ah 1 unlocked S3
Great result against Chelsea btw :laugh:
Sorry. Must learn to read the irony first time around
This isn't quite as bad as it sounds on the surface. Just to clarify, it will still be "legal" to root/jailbreak the phone (which of course is totally different than unlocking). And you will still be able to pay the full unsubsidized price for the phone and legally unlock it, or just buy an unlocked phone from the beginning - for example, I will still be able to use the unlocked Nexus 4 if I choose, and when the Galaxy S4 comes out, I will still be able to purchase the unlocked international version on Amazon (or wherever) and "legally" use it on compatible U.S. carriers. This new change in the law only applies to when you buy the much cheaper carrier-subsidized phone which locks you into a contract. Some carriers even release subsidized unlocked phones (such as the Verizon iPhone 5). Other carriers (e.g. AT&T) will let you unlock the phone when you're out of contract. In reality, unlocking smartphones in the U.S. doesn't buy you much anyway, due to the all the incompatibilities between the carriers. It's not like you can unlock an AT&T LTE phone and expect to use it on Verizon, or vice versa, due to incompatible LTE bands.
That being said, I'm not really in favor of this whole "can't unlock" thing, but just wanted to point out it's not as bad as it initially sounds.
Land of the free? Or land of the do what you are told by corporations?
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The main issue people have with this is you are now FORCED to pay extortionate international charges. If I want to make an international call I can just throw a sim in for cheap international calls, if I go abroad I can throw another sim in to avoid paying to receive calls.
All reasons to unlock.
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Painman1963 said:
Why can't you unlock your phone? Call your provider, pay the fee (usually £15) and wall-ah 1 unlocked S3
Great result against Chelsea btw :laugh:
Sorry. Must learn to read the irony first time around
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Thank you, it was a great game!
I buy unlocked phones anyway but this is kind of stupid to make it illegal.
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-From another small business owner in the US getting screwed by our beloved government but on an unlocked Evo Running Solstice Rom with Samsung Galaxy Tablet Spoof by me
Latest news from US:
Two workers of superstore arrested after unlocking the box of Apples without the license.
The State Court of Louisiana in the sentence sent both for 5x lifetime to jail, stating that such act of piracy should be pursued and punished by the full force of the US Law.
The box itself was confiscated and destroyed because it had the round corner, what was additional violation of the Apple's patent in US.
Welcome to the NWO of Corporate Fascism. Heil The Rothschild's and the Round Table of the Sovereign State of The City of London. Can you guess the other two sovereign states of power? District of Columbia and Vatican City.
I suggest the following movies to get accustomed. Brazil, A Brave New World, 1984, They are Watching, Logans Run and Minority Report.
Pre crime is coming Obama is onto it with big pharm already! They shall probably call it the Sandy gene and put people with it in FEMA camps.
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Disregard.
I have a suggestion for any app maker(s) out there who might be interested in this.
And because it's related to something hot in the news, right now, it's kinda' time-sensitive. In other words, it's a "strike while the iron's hot" sort of thing. The first app maker to come to market with this app would, I believe, be a hero. And it's unlikely that the need for the app would go away anytime soon.
If you have been reading the news, today, then you know that that the Guardian reported...
NSA collecting phone records of millions
of Verizon customers daily
Exclusive: Top secret court order requiring
Verizon to hand over all call data shows scale
of domestic surveillance under Obama
SEE: http://bit.ly/11kHb7L
...and Americans are up-in-arms about it!
Here's my suggestion: Develop an app (or add this feature to an existing app, or both; preferably both) that, if activiated, will sense if the caller is a Verizon customer. If s/he is a Verizon customer, then the app will block the call and auto-reply to the caller with a message something like this:
"Your call is being blocked because you are a Verizon customer. As has been reported in the news, private information about all parties making calls to or from Verizon phone numbers is illegally collected by the US government. The person you are calling refuses to have his/her privacy violated because you're a Verizon customer. Please call from a phone number not provided by Verizon and your call will not be blocked."
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think this would be one heck of an app right now, given what's in the news!
Thank you for your thoughtful consideration.