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I'm not sure if anyone has seen this but I found it pretty cool that they used a picture of our trusty OG incredible...
http://www.longisland.com/news/01-27-13/unlocking-smarthphones-now-illegal.html
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I'm not sure if anyone has seen this but I found it pretty cool that they used a picture of our trusty OG incredible...
http://www.longisland.com/news/01-27-13/unlocking-smarthphones-now-illegal.html
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Damn government, always screwing the little guy. Oh well its not like its going to stop people from doing it anyways. I have been seriously thinking of switching my service to straight talk, and this news changes nothing. Tell them to come get me.
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I'm not sure if anyone has seen this but I found it pretty cool that they used a picture of our trusty OG incredible...
http://www.longisland.com/news/01-27-13/unlocking-smarthphones-now-illegal.html
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I don't know why they picked a CDMA phone for the picture when usually only GSM phones are even unlockable for carriers. Technically flashing an inc on straight talk is not unlocking it.
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I don't know why they picked a CDMA phone for the picture when usually only GSM phones are even unlockable for carriers. Technically flashing an inc on straight talk is not unlocking it.
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None of the articles I've read mention the N4, or how comparable the price is to phones on contract. I guess I can't really talk, since I'm still with big red.
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The Nexus 4 comes unlocked. I guess it's above the law then.
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Ah yes, leave it to the government to try to forbid people from messing with the device that they paid for. Well, it's not as if it'll stop anything whatsoever.
This is kind of disturbing if you ask me...
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One good thing is that the law only applies to phones purchased after the law goes into affect - so anything before that is fine to unlock.
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This is kind of disturbing if you ask me...
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Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the gift that keeps on giving to lawyers and corporati.
Incidentally, a few clarifications. I see people making the same wrong assumptions about this ruling again and again.
1.) Unlocking your phone is not illegal. What IS illegal is for you, the end-consumer, to unlock or otherwise edit the firmware/OS installed on the phone from the factory. This means that we, the citizenry of XDA and similar forums, are guilty of violations of the DMCA, because the carriers (Sprint, ATT, VZW, etc) actually hold the copyrights to the firmware's installed on the phone.
1a.) The carriers, however, CAN unlock the phone for you, legally. Most of the carriers have come forward and said that they will still unlock devices so long as you have met your original contract obligations. Now, this is great if you've bought a new device. Unfortunately, it means any Non-pay or otherwise blacklisted phone on Craigslist or ebay is still screwed.
1b.) New, Unlocked devices such as Nexus, Galaxy, and Incredible International are still, and will always remain, legally unlocked. The firmware found on these devices is owned by Google or by the device's original manufacture, and they are unlikely to proactively start locking such devices just to lock out the reseller community.
2.) Any device purchased or unlocked prior to January 26, 2013 can still be legally unlocked and used on any compatible network.
2a.) Carriers won't retroactively kick your device off of their network if it is illegally unlocked. Nor can they impose any special usage fines or taxes of utilizing an unlocked device. A "locked" cellphone is one which has been firmware coded to its own carrier's network.
2b.) The only person or group who can take action against you for illegally unlocking your phone is the Librarian of Congress (who made this ruling and is the conservator of DMCA exception law) or the carrier who originally sold the device to you, as they are the ones holding the copyrights to the firmware. They cannot, generally, tell some other network to not host your device. Obviously they can ASK a competitor not to host your unlocked device, but they can't actually stop them doing so.
2c.) The original vendor of the phone (Sprint, ATT, VZW, etc) can, however, sue you under the DMCA for violating their copyrights. This is identical to lawsuits used to penalize movie and music downloaders. However, since phone unlocks are generally not "shared" in the same way that music, movie, and game downloads are, an aggressive lawsuit by a patent troll or copyright bully holds little potential profit because they'd only be able to claim a single violation, not the sort of perpetual resharing that goes on with torrent users.
3.) While jailbreaking/unlocking/rooting a phone is illegal now, re-romming a phone is still a grey area. IE, completely replacing the firmware on your phone with a homebrew is not illegal in the same way that a simple unlock or jailbreak code is. Since you're not technically changing someone else's copyright protected software so much as simply deleting and replacing it.
3a.) Unfortunately, because most custom roms are still based in one form or another on the factory rom, you MIGHT still be sued unless, as in the case of older devices like the DINC, all original drivers and firmware's have been open-sourced to the community. It's unlikely that HTC would go after someone unlocking an Incredible series phone since you can legally root most HTC devices from their website; but other carriers and manufacturer's may not take the same view in the future.
There is also a division between hardware manufacturer's and carriers. Carriers lobbied long and hard FOR this ruling, because it is in their best interest to keep you chained to them for as long as possible, and a person who just spent several hundred dollars on a device is unlikely to be willing to simply ****can that device at the end of two years in order to move to another carrier and repeat the expensive process with a new device (unless you own an apple product, in which you're already indoctrinated to all of this ). Sell such a device, yes; dispose of it, no. So having a locked device makes you stickier since you'll use it for longer before parting with it, and if you can only use it legally on their network, then you are stuck with them since you can't resell/unlock it to recoup even part of your investment as you can currently by simply unlocking it or having a reseller do it for you.
Device manufacturers, on the other hand, have a vested interest in keeping their units in use as long as possible, regardless of what carrier it is operating on. Having a unit of hardware able to be reused on multiple carriers breeds customer loyalty to the hardware manufacturer in the same way a reliable car or home appliance does, and increasingly people are seeking out devices based not on the name of the carrier but the name of the phone. Already it's a lot less common to ask who a carrier is than what a phone is; particularly when the same device is available on multiple competing networks.
The best we can hope for is that this will all come to a head in 2 years as the first generation of legally locked phones start coming up for resale and people find themselves face with either throwing them away, sticking with their current carrier, or breaking the law.
What I find curious...
In every article and argument I have read; the carriers framed the argument around "Unlocking / Rooting so we can change service providers." If I were a phone carrier, I wouldn't want my customers to be able to leave either. Sounds reasonable on the surface.
However....I think most of us would agree, that the vast majority do NOT unlock and root for the sake of changing carriers. In fact that argument is already very weak and flawed,
With two standards (GSM vs CDMA), some technical differences in phone models that prevent differing networks from connecting with the devices, and only a handful of carriers....you don't have a lot of options...so not much point.
The phone carriers can refuse service to devices they didn't sell and were in no way required to do so, however it would be in their long-term interest.
The steep financial penalty for leaving a carrier before the contract expires easily covers the "subsidy" at the time of purchase.
Basically....rooting just to switch carriers doesn't make sense
What do we unlock/root for?
Control of our devices.
Control of our privacy and data.
"Fixing" the bugs ( ask me about the ASUS Transformer ICS updates...HA!!!)
Excessive bloatware, like three book reading apps on my tablet...(seriously)
Customizing the device to our needs
...the list is long and the consumers don't have a voice in these issues.. Worse yet to my opinion, this legal ruling actually cripples the end user. Without root access the task of managing and monitor apps, permissions, data, etc has more challenges and limitations , especially without any Android "stock" apps for the purpose. I mean, they didn't even make a file manager. I'll spare you all my usual Google rant. Just imagine what the teaming millions of non-tech, non-xda have to live with....when was the last time you had to work with a device without Titanium Backup, Root Explorer and such? (scares me)
Sorry, my point is...they used a bogus argument to get what they wanted, with them in control of our property and data.
Final thought..how long do you think it will take before we see the first "Price gouging/manipulation" lawsuits against the carriers? They price an unlocked phone so high that no one purchases them. I get it, why pay $650 for a phone with no contract, but you pay the same monthly charges.....when you can get one for $50 and two years of contract? Also, for the record, I do believe that the legality of unlocking/rooting only applies to carrier subsidized devices made and purchased after the above date, and not ones sold at full retail, purposefully unlocked. I'm no expert, but just based on the price differences between 3g/4g and WiFi only tablets, you frakkin know the carriers are messing around with pricing.
WOW...sorry for being long-winded and thanks!
Seems the White House agrees that we should be able to unlock our phones.
http://gizmodo.com/5988388/white-house-you-should-be-able-to-unlock-your-phone-if-you-own-it
Hi guys, just saw this news concerning our U.S pals:
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/01/the-most-ridiculous-law-of-2013-so-far-it-is-now-a-crime-to-unlock-your-smartphone/272552/
At least its not unlocking the bootloader that's illegal. You'll just have to be a bit more careful for your next phones dear Americans
There are an simple solution, use non carrier phones.
Galaxy powered by GM and Dorimanx.
Simple....but unlocked phones are sold at 1000%+ mark up to intentionally drive people to the carrier subsidized phones
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Price
I wonder what this will do to the orice of unlocked phones on the internet, maybe we can benifit from price drops, what do u guys think?
For a short time I'm sure popular models that are already unlocked will sell at a premium used but since the tech moves so fast it won't be long before phones like the the Nexus 4 and newer cheap(er) pre-unlocked phones drive down that price.
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
Check this link out to sign the petition and pass it on
lol, like people in America give a crap what the government says. I'm sure we can count on service providers to police the issue though.
I think I'll unlock one of my old crap phones just to make a point. XD, SCREW EM
Illegal to Unlock - Direct Action
Heard about the decision to allow AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, Sprint, etc. to hold your own cellular device hostage?
Here's a link: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-10-26/html/2012-26308.htm
Let's all write Jacqueline C. Charlesworth, Senior Counsel to the Register of Copyrights, Office of the Register of Copyrights, at [email protected] and/or Christopher S. Reed, Senior Advisor for Policy & Special Projects, Office of the Register of Copyrights, email at [email protected]; or call the U.S. Copyright Office by phone at 202-707-8350 just to tell them what we think of this decision.
Good luck Americans, just sharing. Just don't screw up some point in the future lol. Its still kinda new, they might go all Terminator on you guys for reasons yet unknown hahah
This is the same government that gave a company patents for a rectangular black phone and a rectangular white phone so nothing surprises me
isn't this only true for new phones? as in if you already unlocked it, it doesn't matter?
pinyata said:
isn't this only true for new phones? as in if you already unlocked it, it doesn't matter?
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Correct. It only applies to phones purchased after the rule went into effect.
Come on guys move up to Canada it's not THAT cold here!
But being from the southeast, I'd really be confused by all of the 'eh' and references to hockey!
Besides, where would I get my sweet tea and grits? I get up past Tennessee and people look at me funny when I ask for sugar with my iced tea....
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Correct. It only applies to phones purchased after the rule went into effect.
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I may be wrong ( good chance I am) but I believe this is for new phones that are bought discounted for new contract or extension since in a way until that contract is up the carrier owns that phone. Just like you don't own your home until your mortgage is paid off. Not saying I agree with the new law in any way.
If the owner is willing, they're allowed to call up their carrier and ask for the unlock code. As long as the person you buy from doesn't care and has had the phone for a while, there's no problem.
I don't think it's illegal, but you will certainly avoid your warranty.
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I don't think it's illegal, but you will certainly avoid your warranty.
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I think so too. Nobody will be punished for that. I guess the police have better things to do.
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I've downloaded so much music illegally so idgaf about how illegal it is unlock a phone. Done
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I've downloaded so much music illegally so idgaf about how illegal it is unlock a phone. Done
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Not exactly something to brag about...
...iPhone by the 1000 miles.
Well, before the fan boys start throwing feces at me, here is the story.
I know that it is different hardware and OS and all that, but the problem is not in this.
The problem is the way Apple and Samsung approach the demands from the carriers to lock down their devices and how is the unlocking process handled.
So to SIM unlock the iPhone you call Sprint Customer Service (SCC) and after usual crap about 90 days they say, ok we submitted the request to unlock to Apple you should receive an e-mail shortly. In about 30 minutes the e-mail comes where it instructs you to backup-factory-reset-restore your iPhone. You do that, and that's it. It is unlocked for _ALL_ GSM carriers, foreign and domestic alike.
It is that simple.
Now to SIM unlock the SG4 you call SCC and after usual crap about 90 days you are told that your phone is unlocked, and it will magically work when you abroad but there is absolutely no way for you to see if it works with a foreign SIM while you are in the US. Moreover there is absolutely no way you can use it with any of the US GSM carriers. Most likely when you finally get abroad it will still not work.
Pain and disappointment.
So what happened here?
The answer is simple, Apple gives a middle finger to all carriers who ask it to give them control over the device. Have you seen any bloatware from Sprint, Verizon, ATT or TMO on the iPhone? No!
The Samsung, on the other hand, bands over backwards for carriers and it turns everything in to the theater of the absurd.
One would think: "...well if Sprint made Samsung to lock down the device in a certain way they must be able to ask Samsung to do the SIM unlock"; nop, no such luck, the SCC will tell you that Samsung has nothing to do with this and at Samsung they will tell you to go to your carrier.
Ok, fine, then apparently if this is the OS modification made by Sprint, one would try to reason: "...the SCC must have some internal tool to unlock the device and check that it is unlocked"; well this is also not the case.
What Sprint is obviously happy about is that they bravely disallowed you to use local GSM carriers.
So it is an interesting situation, actually Samsung and Sprint are equally to be blamed for our pain with SIM unlock and non will take a blame.
I'm pretty sure the ATT and TMO customers just laughing at us right about now the SG4 on their networks can be unlocked with a simple app from the market or even with some service menu.
There was a guy from SCC here, or so he claimed, it would be nice if he could comment on this, and given something more of an answer than just: "...well those are different devices and different OS". Who's really doing the unlocking? Is it Sprint is it Samsung? Why are there no tools to check this on the phone? Why the phone says "Invalid SIM" when it was "unlocked" while it should just refuse to connect to ATT and TMO while here in the US?
Well, I'm pretty sure those are the questions that we never get answers to...
Yea, I agree that it sucks the way things are right now and I wish it wasn't so. Hopefully, Samsung will continuebto be so successful that in the next round (S5), they too can give the middle finger to the carriers and end the unlocking lunacy.
Please explain to me how you got your iphone unlocked for domestic use. I got my old one unlocked by sprint did everything and still had to buy a rsim to use it in the states.
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Yea, I agree that it sucks the way things are right now and I wish it wasn't so. Hopefully, Samsung will continuebto be so successful that in the next round (S5), they too can give the middle finger to the carriers and end the unlocking lunacy.
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Yeah, I hope so too. For my Samsung Galaxy Discover (s730m) that I got because my Samsung Galaxy Q ( T589r ) has a cracked screen , I tried phoning Telus & Fido to get it unlocked..neither of them would do anything..if Samsung were to do this so that I could just ask Samsung, that'd be very great, and I'd be able to use my new phone. :/
I'll be nice so I won't call troll. TL;DR. If your intention was to run a phone on gsm, why would you buy a CDMA phone? As for bringing up the subject of why a iPhone is better in an android forum, what the hell are you doing here?! We don't care if you think iPhone is better! Go elsewhere and post to people that actually agree with your point of view. Sorry for being so blunt, I've had a few... Still, the few months I had an iPhone, before I had sprint buy it back because I hated the apple experience, I didn't go on apple forums and spout how android was so much better. I may have honestly shared my experience but I didn't do it in a way that rubbed smugness in other people's face. I'm sorry that I'm coming across like I'm flaming you but, in all reasonableness, this isn't the place to do it.
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I'll be nice so I won't call troll. TL;DR. If your intention was to run a phone on gsm, why would you buy a CDMA phone? As for bringing up the subject of why a iPhone is better in an android forum, what the hell are you doing here?! We don't care if you think iPhone is better! Go elsewhere and post to people that actually agree with your point of view. Sorry for being so blunt, I've had a few... Still, the few months I had an iPhone, before I had sprint buy it back because I hated the apple experience, I didn't go on apple forums and spout how android was so much better. I may have honestly shared my experience but I didn't do it in a way that rubbed smugness in other people's face. I'm sorry that I'm coming across like I'm flaming you but, in all reasonableness, this isn't the place to do it.
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Prob because he has nothing better to do other than play angry birds on that lil 4 inch screen, isn't that all its capable of?
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The title was intentionally provocative, because I'm really pissed with the way things going with sg4 sprint sim unlocking process. I'm not an iPhone user though, I have and use sg4, but I need to be able to use it on my trips overseas, this is why I bought it in the first place, because it is a world phone, or at least it is advertised as such. This was my attempt to analyze why this whole sim unlocking for sg4 is a outright failure.
obender said:
The title was intentionally provocative, because I'm really pissed with the way things going with sg4 sprint sim unlocking process. I'm not an iPhone user though, I have and use sg4, but I need to be able to use it on my trips overseas, this is why I bought it in the first place, because it is a world phone, or at least it is advertised as such. This was my attempt to analyze why this whole sim unlocking for sg4 is a outright failure.
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Two things then...
If you need it for overseas trips then what's all the hoopla about? Just get it unlocked by Sprint. Yes, at the beginning they had issues with the unlock because it is a brand new process they've never used before (and yes, unfortunately very unprepared for). But now supposedly it's fixed so chill.
It is not true that Sprint's iPhone unlocking process makes it usable on US GSM carriers.
Anyway, I am not sure why you claim that "the iPhone beats the S4 by a 1000 miles". Sprint gives you a method to unlock both phones for international use so that you don't have pay their exorbitant intl roaming rates. That seems fair to me and I don't see what obligation they (or even Samsung) have towards you as a Sprint subscriber beyond that. If you want a device that will work on one of Sprint's domestic competitors, go buy an unlock phone, or one from one of those carriers.
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It is not true that Sprint's iPhone unlocking process makes it usable on US GSM carriers.
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You obviously don't know the subject that well, it is true, I've unlocked my wife's iPhone and it works roams to ATT and TMO now with a _foreign_ SIM inserted, but you right, what I care is the outside US use and this is still an issue unfortunately.
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You obviously don't know the subject that well, it is true, I've unlocked my wife's iPhone and it works roams to ATT and TMO now with a _foreign_ SIM inserted, but you right, what I care is the outside US use and this is still an issue unfortunately.
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I'm in the same boat.
When I get back to the states I will be perma-roaming 24/7 in order to get the service termination letter.
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I'm in the same boat.
When I get back to the states I will be perma-roaming 24/7 in order to get the service termination letter.
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Are you saying that u unlocked with sprint and traveled overseas to only find your are screwed and can't use your sg4?
That's why I upgraded to be able to use when go to home country. Might look into htc.
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Are you saying that u unlocked with sprint and traveled overseas to only find your are screwed and can't use your sg4?
That's why I upgraded to be able to use when go to home country. Might look into htc.
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Yes, precisely.
Nah, I don't want to buy another HTC phone after what they did with the EVO 3D. Samsung has a great phone, I just don't like sprint at all.
YES. 1,678 signatures! I have to admit even I am impressed that this thing KEEPS getting new signatures daily. I want to thank some of the Devs who provided links on the OP page for ROMs they developed, and if we continue to spread the word, I see no reason that 5,000 signatures could be reached. If AT&T chooses to ignore that many people, it will be a good indicator of how foolish they have truly become. Keep 'em coming! I am seeing many new signatures every day. Posting links to it is one thing I know that works: Go to any Facebook Page (I have only hit AT&T and Samsung, post a few words and this link:
Please support this campaign/sign this petition: http://chn.ge/192KeHy <- Paste this on any Facebook Page or when you leave comments in Blogs or tech sites. On Faceboot it creates a nice link with a graphic.
For all the negative types that pop in here just to say "stop dreaming, it won't make the slightest difference" - I agree that this is just a "blip" on the radar of AT&T Execs such as Ralph de la Vega's radar, but it's one noisy, annoying, won't go away blip, and it keeps upsetting his "vison". -isn't that just special
Pasting the link I provide below into threads on this subject seems to be very effective in creating a buzz.
This is simply to let AT&T know that they have alienated the folks who people go for tech advice when they BUY a new phone or UPGRADE an existing device. . Guess what we are going to tell them about AT&T's Note 3?
This is ALSO a way to get word out that it is locked. The average consumer has no idea, doesn't even know what locked bootloader will do or not do.
Copy and paste the links below anywhere on the web. See a site saying how wonderful the Note 3 is? Paste the link. Hit em wherever you express yourself. I want AT&T to know they have crossed the line with this move. Will they change policy? Probably not, they are not Asus or HTC, but I still believe that the alternative; to just accept this is to give AT&T permission to find MORE to take away from us is UNACCEPTABLE!!!!. It was a petition (an the work of New York Senator Al Damato that got people the right to port phone #'s to a new carrier. Before that you were often locked to a carrier by your number. Also petitioning ASUS 2 years ago got us an unlocker (and warranty "voider") for the Transformer Prime.
The petition is not a static document. Every new signature sends an email to each of the following AT&T Executives:
Randall L. Stephenson - Chairman and Chief Executive Office
Ralph de la Vega - President and Chief Executive Officer - AT&T Mobility
John Donovan - Senior Executive Vice President, AT&T Technology and Network Operations
John T. Stankey - Group President and Chief Strategy Officer
Links you can paste:
Link for the Change.org Pettion here:
Please join this campaign/sign petition: http://chn.ge/192KeHy <- Paste this everywhere you leave comments...
Help blitz on AT&T's Social Media Pages on FaceBook
https://www.facebook.com/ATT
We REALLY need to make our voice heard at Samsung, who, as a partner to AT&T, may have additional influence when they know that THEIR business will be affected as well.
https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile
Go to these sites, and blitz the wall with this line: AT&T: Unlock OUR Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Bootloader! or Samsung: Please ask AT&T to Unlock OUR Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Bootloader!
Some of us are, unfortunately not financially equipped to run out and get a T-Mobile N3.
I can guarantee you if we just grumble and sulk about it, or even go elsewhere with our business without making sure that AT&T knows WHY we did it, not only will nothing change, but the same a$$es that made this policy will be planning new ways to screw with us. Feel like its a waste of time? Is less than 2 minutes to sign a petition too much trouble? Great. You can just accept whatever they want to take away next.NOT signing is comparable to standing there while a mugger robs and beats someone who is helpless to defend themselves and not even yelling "Hey, leave that person alone" to the creep doing the crime.
I second that motion! Im really not happy that at&t is choosing to lock down their phones, its my damn phone. I pay a monthly service fee for the spotty coverage and another $200 + for the phone, I should be able to do whatever I damn well please with it. I really want to get the note 3 but the locked bootloader is a deal breaker for me.
I say unlock the bootloader or your going to have a lot of pissed off people looking to buy elsewhere or jump ship. I know at least one person who has already gone to t mobile!
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You'll have my signature if you go forward with this.
I got my AT&T Note 3 today and was rather distraught that there's currently no root option available for it...But there certainly IS for the TMobile variant!!
You my signature
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I will sign in a heartbeat. Worth a shot and can't hurt
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I've already seen this dozens of times. You already bought the phone, they know you will forget by the next phone. Look trough the Atrix, DX ect ect. No amount of petitions will change there mind.
You've got mine. This is why I'm not getting a note 3 yet.
I'll sign twice, you don't need an ID to vote in most states, I'm sure I can make up a few names! lol But really, I've been blasting AT&T's twitter wanting an answer as to why. Even referencing the droves of consumers running to purchase a TMob version and sim unlocking! I don't think they care, but it makes me feel better to complain!
I'm in for this
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YellowGTO said:
I've already seen this dozens of times. You already bought the phone, they know you will forget by the next phone. Look trough the Atrix, DX ect ect. No amount of petitions will change there mind.
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As much as I want to bootloader unlocked I have to agree 1000% with this.
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Im in..... If AT&T does not want to unlock the bootloader then they should offer a dev edition of the Note 3! It would have been even better to offer it on launch day! Anyway you have my signature!
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I'm seriously thinking of switching service over this one issue. I've been with AT&T for years. They need to listen to their customers or lose business.
Yes...I'll sign it. :highfive:
I have subscribed to this topic. You have my vote.
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You have my support, we should be able to do what we want to with OUR phones.
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YellowGTO said:
I've already seen this dozens of times. You already bought the phone, they know you will forget by the next phone. Look trough the Atrix, DX ect ect. No amount of petitions will change there mind.
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Sure, I agree too... But that's not going to stop me from TRYING or voicing my opinion.
I'm in! Get the petition up, i have at least 5 people that are ready and willing to sign!
I'm definitely in. Yea its been done before and no it probably won't work. But hell, I'm all about taking a stand. I've got the GN3 and Ive already listed the phone to sell it. I've already decided to take the money and buy the T-Mobile version. This locked bootloader has burnt my ass since I bought the S4. Its ridiculous that a mammoth of a company like AT&T has that kind of power in the first place. If everyone took a stand from day one and told these companies what we'd stand for and what we wouldn't, then this wouldn't be happening now. Thing is they know people will still purchase phones and sign contracts for their service no matter what they do to their customers. Its locked bootloaders and region sim locks now, wonder what they'll dream up next. Problem is, people will sit and ***** about how companies do them but nobody ever does anything about it. If we all came together and told them to jam the phones and service in their asses they'd have to change policy or go bankrupt. But it'll never happen because people won't come together and do it. A handful of people up against a giant like AT&T will ALWAYS get swept under the rug. It takes massive numbers to make a change. When that happens...we'll get results.
I wish you luck. Unfortunately, AT&T said they don't support unlocked bootloaders according to this:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tloaders-so-stop-asking-us-about-every-phone/
Maybe they'll have a change of heart with the Note 3. It would be nice at least.
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lol good luck... they are not going to do anything about this.. its all about customers aka money.. unless you want to give them money im sure they will if they have enough.. but still when you buy a note 3 full price from att they wont unlock the bootloader...
im getting the t-mobile note 3 and my contract from att ends next year and ill be switching back to t-mo after like 8 years with att..
im sure it will get hacked sooner or later but when a bootloader is locked you play this cat and mouse game.. just like when i use to jailbreak..
really att needs to loosen up.. hope you guys get what you asked for but for now enjoy your note 3 and wait..........
Hi. Yesterday I made another post about how 986u1 owners were promised esim in pre-order for dsds , and when phone was delivered guess what it wasn't active. So I posted in members community and put up photo of my transcript from Samsung promising it when I spoke to them via chat. Thousands of other people had same thing. Lies from Samsung. So I posted many times and finally spoke to customer of mine who is consumer advocate lawyer here in Los Angeles and said if I get 25k people he would file a suit. So I was asking people to join.
After my post withing 2 min I got pm from members community saying I was banned and cannot post. I can't even open app. So watch what you complain about on there. If you call their bs they try to silence you with a ban.
All I did was point out promises the lied about. I want my esim
So I today I made warranty claim on my phone that my esim is broken. I will send the phone back every week if I have to until I get what I paid for..
They blame the carriers not wanting it but then why does fold z2 and others and iPhone 11 12 have esim and carriers have no issues using them.
If anyone knows way to unlock the modem drivers where I can open all bands and esim please help. I tried the root on my 9860 per the guide here and it bricked my 9860. I finally recovered it but I'm not going try again , I require dsds plus I was promised it
I have 986u1 128gb and 512gb 9860 both in bronze.
Have good day yall
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Hi. Yesterday I made another post about how 986u1 owners were promised esim in pre-order for dsds , and when phone was delivered guess what it wasn't active. So I posted in members community and put up photo of my transcript from Samsung promising it when I spoke to them via chat. Thousands of other people had same thing. Lies from Samsung. So I posted many times and finally spoke to customer of mine who is consumer advocate lawyer here in Los Angeles and said if I get 25k people he would file a suit. So I was asking people to join.
After my post withing 2 min I got pm from members community saying I was banned and cannot post. I can't even open app. So watch what you complain about on there. If you call their bs they try to silence you with a ban.
All I did was point out promises the lied about. I want my esim
So I today I made warranty claim on my phone that my esim is broken. I will send the phone back every week if I have to until I get what I paid for..
They blame the carriers not wanting it but then why does fold z2 and others and iPhone 11 12 have esim and carriers have no issues using them.
If anyone knows way to unlock the modem drivers where I can open all bands and esim please help. I tried the root on my 9860 per the guide here and it bricked my 9860. I finally recovered it but I'm not going try again , I require dsds plus I was promised it
I have 986u1 128gb and 512gb 9860 both in bronze.
Have good day yall
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Did you really think Sammy was gonna let you build a case against them on their own forums? lol
OP as much as it's a major disappointment for me personally, as well their credibility falling a few notches for the brand name. I doubt much can be done. Since it's pretty evident Samsung dropped to all fours at the request of the USA carrier cartels. Two things can be done, raise a petition and or stop buying their hardware moving forward. Just my one quids worth.
Whats up Limey. I to am banned from Samsung Members for life just for saying, "Sammobile has the firmware your looking for"..lol it seems that the "go to guys" there just sit and wait to report someone that steps on their world. It was funny that another member was complaining about what I said and I corrected him about several things that he had no clue about and then other members started asking me the questions....them poof I was banned. So F Samsung Members...lol
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Mdyche82 said:
Hi. Yesterday I made another post about how 986u1 owners were promised esim in pre-order for dsds , and when phone was delivered guess what it wasn't active. So I posted in members community and put up photo of my transcript from Samsung promising it when I spoke to them via chat. Thousands of other people had same thing. Lies from Samsung. So I posted many times and finally spoke to customer of mine who is consumer advocate lawyer here in Los Angeles and said if I get 25k people he would file a suit. So I was asking people to join.
After my post withing 2 min I got pm from members community saying I was banned and cannot post. I can't even open app. So watch what you complain about on there. If you call their bs they try to silence you with a ban.
All I did was point out promises the lied about. I want my esim
So I today I made warranty claim on my phone that my esim is broken. I will send the phone back every week if I have to until I get what I paid for..
They blame the carriers not wanting it but then why does fold z2 and others and iPhone 11 12 have esim and carriers have no issues using them.
If anyone knows way to unlock the modem drivers where I can open all bands and esim please help. I tried the root on my 9860 per the guide here and it bricked my 9860. I finally recovered it but I'm not going try again , I require dsds plus I was promised it
I have 986u1 128gb and 512gb 9860 both in bronze.
Have good day yall
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With a clever communication, SAMSUNG is a seller of dreams, the risks are low, and it works, you buy their products: it's good for the business.
Samsung's next watch will have 1 month of battery life, it's promised
Selling dream is a good business.
Trying to open a law suit against a company would count as you threatening the company and they have rights to ban you for it.
So you did a quite of a fault and got yourself banned, never write such thing open like that.
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Whats up Limey. I to am banned from Samsung Members for life just for saying, "Sammobile has the firmware your looking for"..lol it seems that the "go to guys" there just sit and wait to report someone that steps on their world. It was funny that another member was complaining about what I said and I corrected him about several things that he had no clue about and then other members started asking me the questions....them poof I was banned. So F Samsung Members...lol
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LOL, Man i was posting instruction to flash Beta without banner on their forums LOL ... bunch of snowflake losers.
Mdyche82 said:
Hi. Yesterday I made another post about how 986u1 owners were promised esim in pre-order for dsds , and when phone was delivered guess what it wasn't active. So I posted in members community and put up photo of my transcript from Samsung promising it when I spoke to them via chat.
Have good day yall
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Sorry made your post short in the quote, why dont you share the transcript here and try to raise a petition lets see if you can get 25K people to sign.
warriorvibhu said:
LOL, Man i was posting instruction to flash Beta without banner on their forums LOL ... bunch of snowflake losers.
Sorry made your post short in the quote, why dont you share the transcript here and try to raise a petition lets see if you can get 25K people to sign.
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I will join the petition.
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You do understand, that if they could they would've enabled esim, right? They have certain contracts with US carries that they cannot override... So some guy made a mistake in promo materials, and they had to fix it at the time of release... And here you go...
eSIM indeed there on all N20 devices but samsung have activated with certain carriers only, that means samsung have nothing to do but add a line in CSC to activate it. (even anyone with rooted device can do it, but meaningless if your operator don't provide it) This shows likely it is because of agreement with carrier regarding this. Anyway, banning users is not justified in any case, moderators is premature indeed.
Mdyche82 said:
Hi. Yesterday I made another post about how 986u1 owners were promised esim in pre-order for dsds , and when phone was delivered guess what it wasn't active. So I posted in members community and put up photo of my transcript from Samsung promising it when I spoke to them via chat. Thousands of other people had same thing. Lies from Samsung. So I posted many times and finally spoke to customer of mine who is consumer advocate lawyer here in Los Angeles and said if I get 25k people he would file a suit. So I was asking people to join.
After my post withing 2 min I got pm from members community saying I was banned and cannot post. I can't even open app. So watch what you complain about on there. If you call their bs they try to silence you with a ban.
All I did was point out promises the lied about. I want my esim
So I today I made warranty claim on my phone that my esim is broken. I will send the phone back every week if I have to until I get what I paid for..
They blame the carriers not wanting it but then why does fold z2 and others and iPhone 11 12 have esim and carriers have no issues using them.
If anyone knows way to unlock the modem drivers where I can open all bands and esim please help. I tried the root on my 9860 per the guide here and it bricked my 9860. I finally recovered it but I'm not going try again , I require dsds plus I was promised it
I have 986u1 128gb and 512gb 9860 both in bronze.
Have good day yall
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Sorry you had that trouble - for what it's worth, I am guessing that they didn't ban you for the general content you wrote or your complaints - but instead, they probably banned you for talking about suing them and asking others to join the suit. ( I assuming that was the general content of your post.) If so, you really can't blame them for doing that - I would think most forums would not allow people to leave posts that encouraged other members to join in a Legal Action.
I could be wrong of course - anyway - good luck....
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eSIM indeed there on all N20 devices but samsung have activated with certain carriers only, that means samsung have nothing to do but add a line in CSC to activate it. (even anyone with rooted device can do it, but meaningless if your operator don't provide it) This shows likely it is because of agreement with carrier regarding this. Anyway, banning users is not justified in any case, moderators is premature indeed.
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It will take more than a CSC change to enable it. A lot of the required software is not installed or even present in the current U.S. firmware. I've already ripped apart the firmware.
Key components like SIM Card Manager, are not installed, and the modem binaries also need updating. Tried manually installing them, but no luck.
All U.S. carriers support eSIMs, for some reason Samsung chose not to enable the function in the firmware for the Note 20 series.
If it was carriera not wanting it, then why did they activate it on the fold z and sell it through carriers. Same with iPhone. If carriers had problem with it they wouldn't sell then in their stores and they wouldn't activate them. My wife likes crapple so I got her 11 and just up grade to 12 and both esim are activated and in use. So I don't belive its carriers.
You walk in they activate it on spot. So I don't get why,they won't,
Side note I have managed to open modem.bin file from bri software and have been looking at policy's of if sim is xxx and region is xxx turn this band on and off.
I want to try to find way to edit where it just turns all bands on and find way to flash it. If I can figure it out I will post it.
Mdyche82 said:
If it was carriera not wanting it, then why did they activate it on the fold z and sell it through carriers. Same with iPhone. If carriers had problem with it they wouldn't sell then in their stores and they wouldn't activate them. My wife likes crapple so I got her 11 and just up grade to 12 and both esim are activated and in use. So I don't belive its carriers.
You walk in they activate it on spot. So I don't get why,they won't,
Side note I have managed to open modem.bin file from bri software and have been looking at policy's of if sim is xxx and region is xxx turn this band on and off.
I want to try to find way to edit where it just turns all bands on and find way to flash it. If I can figure it out I will post it.
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Thanks
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Elastep said:
You do understand, that if they could they would've enabled esim, right? They have certain contracts with US carries that they cannot override... So some guy made a mistake in promo materials, and they had to fix it at the time of release... And here you go...
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Blame your carrier; they are partner with Samsung.
For example AT&T tells Samsung what they want in a model's firmware or not. Even graphics for things like contact menus.
For carrier phones Sammy's hands are tied.
Carrier reps will sometimes try to blame Samsung if you let them.
I don't because I know they're partnered... So if the same unlocked model does tricks yours can't, blame your carrier not Sammy!
Samsung S Korea reps can't handle criticism well and will lamely try to skirt an issue on the phone. Many times by asking the same question twice even three times. Once I even suggested they take notes if their short term memory was so poor, bah-ha-ha-ha!
I delight in rightfully criticizing a Samsung flaw when I occasionally get a S Korean rep on the line.
They predictably will be of no help but it's fun to watch them squirm in their own unique Occidental manner, TFF:laugh:
Also can I state that it isn't smart to talk about work around in the official Samsung forums. Unless you want to make life harder for everyone else??
Yeah it sucks they probably banned you but also don't make their jobs any easier finding ways block us getting around some of their silly limitations.
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blackhawk said:
Samsung S Korea reps can't handle criticism well and will lamely try to skirt an issue on the phone. Many times by asking the same question twice even three times. Once I even suggested they take notes if their short term memory was so poor, bah-ha-ha-ha!
I delight in rightfully criticizing a Samsung flaw when I occasionally get a S Korean rep on the line.
They predictably will be of no help but it's fun to watch them squirm in their own unique Occidental manner, TFF:laugh:
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I mean if their jobs don't suck enough right?
Obviously they are being recorded and I'm sure having a job is more important than appeasing big brains coming from tech forums asking questions they know they won't get answers to from first or even second level support.
But yes let's rejoice in their desire to keep employment in the current world climate.
It's beyond them wanting to keep their jobs.
Samsung, especially SK, has the worst tech support I've ever encountered.
Far worse than Sony... if that tells you something.
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It's beyond them wanting to keep their jobs.
Samsung, especially SK, has the worst tech support I've ever encountered.
Far worse than Sony... if that tells you something.
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Sorry man. Still no excuse for being that type of person. You literally call them just to harass them then come here to brag about it. What's that say about you?
Be mad at the companies. Don't harass the people making a living.
blackhawk said:
Blame your carrier; they are partner with Samsung.
For example AT&T tells Samsung what they want in a model's firmware or not. Even graphics for things like contact menus.
For carrier phones Sammy's hands are tied.
Carrier reps will sometimes try to blame Samsung if you let them.
I don't because I know they're partnered... So if the same unlocked model does tricks yours can't, blame your carrier not Sammy!
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In this particular case, this is all on Samsung.
Both locked and unlocked variants (U/U1) have the eSIM function disabled. Doesn't matter what carrier you're using.
U.S. carriers have no issues with eSIM use. They've supported it for a couple of years now.
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rjohnstone said:
In this particular case, this is all on Samsung.
Both locked and unlocked variants (U/U1) have the eSIM function disabled. Doesn't matter what carrier you're using.
U.S. carriers have no issues with eSIM use. They've supported it for a couple of years now.
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Then perhaps so, but Sammy is no angel.
However since carriers are partnered with Samsung their desires carry a lot of pull. Carrier reps out of either convenience, ignorance or both will frequently say the carrier has no control over what Samsung does.
In fact the carrier very much does.
A brief reminder that they are partnered with Samsung usally stops that defense argument succinctly. This how you check this carrier tactic when applicable.
Generally contacting Samsung is less likely to yield a favorable result than contacting your carrier for support. Sad but true; Samsung tech support is literally the worst I've ever seen in a large electronic corporation.
Denon and Canon are the best. Denon in fact is unsurpassed when it comes to product support; they want you to be 100% satisfied. They will intergrate good legitimate suggestions in their next product cycle and even give retrograde products hardware/firmware upgrades on their flagship receivers for a fee but net zero profit. They provide life long repair service for all their products for a modest fee with a price quote in advance (and a guarantee to restore said device to factory specs).
I've personally been thrilled to see and use these services. Easy as pie. Wow.
So Sammy could do much better in my estimation.
If they don't, another company will pick up the ball.