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will it work on verizon?

The reason I ask is because I went to both verizon and sprint and i asked:
--at verizon--
Me: If I buy an Evo from sprint, full price and bring it here to run on your network will it work? being that both of you run CDMA I dont see it being a problem? am I wrong?
Verizon: No, it will not work. You should get our "incredible."
--at sprint--
Me: If I buy an "incredible" from Verizon, full price and bring it here to run on your network will it work? being that both of you run CDMA I dont see it being a problem? am I wrong?
Sprint: No, it will not work.
So I asked them both why not...?
Verizon: different hardware. And settings.
Sprint: Legality.
(they also said they have not had their training yet at that location for the evo... and they are only a few weeks away of a release. )
Can someone explain whats going on here? They made me doubt my understanding as to how cdma worked. It is to my understanding it should work on both networks. Question is, getting verizon to accept me as a customer with the evo. Someone correct me if im wrong.
Im set on the Evo, but I dont want Sprint. I want verizon. Not planning on getting the "incredible." For that I stick with the iphone 4g and att.

There are ways to do it, but they are quite illegal (as in rape you in the ass prison felony). Look it up online, but don't expect to find that info here.

kyleblakepeters said:
There are ways to do it, but they are quite illegal (as in rape you in the ass prison felony). Look it up online, but don't expect to find that info here.
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Any chance for a little more clarification? A keyword at least to find my answer. I just want to know actually why they would reject a potential customer. I'm a little tired of smoke and mirrors.
I wouldn't want to do anything illegal like cloning. I just want facts. No big deal.

tried it twice...no go
only way would be to hack the phone and change a whole lotta stuff...then change the esn to another verizon phone you own (which is illegal, i believe). then it is possible. however, i have two phones (one alltel, one sprint) and have requested verizon to add my esn's to their database (after i changed the 'whole lotta stuff' myself) ...eventhough the phones work on verizon, i could never get them to add them to their database enabling me to legally use the phone on their network. i griped and griped, they 'caved' in on more than one occasion, and said it would be done, but never did it. 15-20 total calls? and still nothing. i can't wait to tell them i am leaving...and for that reason i am not on contract. they tried to tell me numerous times it "wouldn't work, different hardware" but i have even tested it and made calls successfully, so it all seems to be a game. the one department that was designed to allow this, apparently closed. bottom line, don't waste your time. by the time someone posts instructions on how to do it, their will be 2-3 verizon phones more powerful -it is still a long way off.

It's ESN switching. Sprint and Verzion never put each others ESNs on to the other's network. I don't think even Jesus could manage that feat.

adeyo said:
only way would be to hack the phone and change a whole lotta stuff...then change the esn to another verizon phone you own (which is illegal, i believe). then it is possible. however, i have two phones (one alltel, one sprint) and have requested verizon to add my esn's to their database (after i changed the 'whole lotta stuff' myself) ...eventhough the phones work on verizon, i could never get them to add them to their database enabling me to legally use the phone on their network. i griped and griped, they 'caved' in on more than one occasion, and said it would be done, but never did it. 15-20 total calls? and still nothing. i can't wait to tell them i am leaving...and for that reason i am not on contract. they tried to tell me numerous times it "wouldn't work, different hardware" but i have even tested it and made calls successfully, so it all seems to be a game. the one department that was designed to allow this, apparently closed. bottom line, don't waste your time. by the time someone posts instructions on how to do it, their will be 2-3 verizon phones more powerful -it is still a long way off.
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Thank you! thats the answer I was looking for. Much grateful!
What about the users that pay full price? Why would they do that if they cant take it elsewhere? Does it mean Even if they pay full price, the ESN belongs to sprint? It sounds wrong to do that. Im not complaining. Im just trying to make sense of this.

0okami said:
It sounds wrong to do that.
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Welcome to the world. Don't let the door kick you in the ass on the way out.

theres a form you can fill out to take a cdma phone from another carrier and activate it on verizon, you need to ship your phone to vzw HQ though, and they say it can take 3 weeks to determine if they will allow it on the network or not.
its an official verizon form just gotta find it.

tricknasty said:
theres a form you can fill out to take a cdma phone from another carrier and activate it on verizon, you need to ship your phone to vzw HQ though, and they say it can take 3 weeks to determine if they will allow it on the network or not.
its an official verizon form just gotta find it.
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I'll check with the verizon rep. She was really friendly and what ever she didnt know she dug for papers. Maybe we can work something out.
I'll keep everyone posted if something results.
Thanks for the information!

will not work on verizon, they have a policy of not taking sprint branded phones, the esn's are registered to sprint and they know it's an evo.
sprint doesn't take anything other than what they've registered... it's a sticky thicket I know.
esn cloneing would work, but we don't talk about that kinda stuff here apparently, gotten scolded on more than one occasion for doing so =P

Help getting unlock code?

Hi all,
I made a rookie mistake and ordered a locked T-Mobile HD2 from ebay (wasn't paying attention).
I live in Canada, so unfortunately that rules out the option of trying to get an unlock code from T-Mobile. Can anybody guide me towards the cheapest option to getting this phone unlocked? I should be receiving it early next week... I can't believe I just blew almost $400 on a phone without noticing that it's locked
Thanks in advance,
Faruk

Means you also won't get 3G on Rogers either...but I digress, http://www.htcsimunlock.com is where I got mine. 16USD and about 20 minutes later my Tmo Leo is unlocked. Easy to use, just insert the new SIM or hit up \Windows\simlock.exe and enter your code.

Hey thanks for the reply man! I was actually starting to get pretty worried, I did some searching beforehand and all I could find were people who were having trouble unlocking theirs!
And I'm actually on Wind Mobile (not Rogers), so the T-Mobile version (1700MHz 3G) was actually exactly what I was looking for.

Nice! Let me know how that works out, i've got a friend in Canada on Wind aswell who is super jealous of my HD2, and if it works as expected, then he might be getting a pretty sweet Christmas present....

ashasaur said:
Nice! Let me know how that works out, i've got a friend in Canada on Wind aswell who is super jealous of my HD2, and if it works as expected, then he might be getting a pretty sweet Christmas present....
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I would not be too quick in getting him it for Wind. They may not be around much longer.. time will tell..

Don't listen to Rockjock, I know him from another forum... His part- (or full?) time job is to scare people about Wind... He must be employed by Rogers.
Anyway, if Wind (new entrant) does lose against the incumbents, they will probably get bought out by Rogers. It's not like the network will vanish into thin air.
But anyway, that's totally off-topic. Go find another thread to troll, "Rockjock".

Faruk88 said:
Don't listen to Rockjock, I know him from another forum... His part- (or full?) time job is to scare people about Wind... He must be employed by Rogers.
Anyway, if Wind (new entrant) does lose against the incumbents, they will probably get bought out by Rogers. It's not like the network will vanish into thin air.
But anyway, that's totally off-topic. Go find another thread to troll, "Rockjock".
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I was just stating a fact. So please take off your wind cape and discuss it. The OP was asking about using a high end handset on Wind. All I said was perhaps they should wait to see if Wind stays afloat. You are right Wind could be bought up and the network would not go to waste but you failed to mention that all the equipment is owned by Orascom and as such they are simply permitted to take back all the roof top units. The spectrum debt is what Rogers could buy from Orascom. Speaking of which any validity to the comment that calls are being routed to Egypt for customer service issues? Seems that Orascom is taking a more active role..
Also i must say the " he must work for rogers " line is getting a tad tired.
sorry for the hijack but I think it was needed to be explained. if not Mods pls delete.

Faruk88 said:
Anyway, if Wind (new entrant) does lose against the incumbents, they will probably get bought out by Rogers. It's not like the network will vanish into thin air.
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I agree. Even if they end up filing for Bankruptcy (is that a business option in Canada?), their hardware and towers will remain, meaning that someone will own them and use them rather than tear them down.
We've seen a lot of wireless companies come and go down in the States and I have yet to speak to a single person who lost their service as a result. My friend in Arkansas has actually been shunted around by the AT&T->Cingular->att circle several times and never lost service.

Snarksneeze said:
I agree. Even if they end up filing for Bankruptcy (is that a business option in Canada?), their hardware and towers will remain, meaning that someone will own them and use them rather than tear them down.
We've seen a lot of wireless companies come and go down in the States and I have yet to speak to a single person who lost their service as a result. My friend in Arkansas has actually been shunted around by the AT&T->Cingular->att circle several times and never lost service.
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Thats true, but thats only if the company that goes under owns the equipment they do not. Simply put Rogers could only buy the debt, as the equipment is owned by the only Investor. So once the equipment is taken back Wind could enjoy seamless coast to coast coverage on a 2g network.

Anyway, back to topic.
Yesterday I unlocked my T-Mobile HD2 at unlock-now.com. The phone is new one, IMEI starts from 35777. I took 10 minutes and 17.5 euros by Paypal.
I'm not linked to this service at all, just want to inform it's worked for me. Going to try htcsimunlock.com a bit later.

Uh, I have made the same mistake.
Did not realize that there was a difference until now
Does this mean that I will not get 3G, as I live in Europe?

Yes it does. You have to use the device meant for your region in order to get 3G with it.

[Q] Bad ESN

Hi all!
Well Googled my a.. off but I can't seem to get a straight answer.
So here it goes:
- Will a phone with "bad ESN", which you see often on Ebay, work in Europe?
(assuming it is a world capable phone)
As I understand it, ESN is the only used in the US when the phone is used in Europe it uses a different antenna and makes use of the IMEI code. So in theory it should work, different systems. But I can't seem to find anyone who can confirm this without a shadow of doubt.
And lets not go into the discussion about the ethical or legal side of things, I just want to know if it will be a problem or not?
Cheers,
Martijn

If we're referring to the Droid Pro or any other global Verizon phone, the bad ESN is only "bad" on Verizon's network. Verizon doesn't share it's ESN information with other carriers around the world, so there would be no way for them to know the phone has a bad ESN on Verizon. People have been able to use Verizon phones with a bad ESN on Page Plus without any issues. Since I've never tried to use a global Verizon device with a bad ESN overseas with a local SIM card I can't say 100% for sure, but logic would cause one to assume that as long as the SIM slot is unlocked (because they come locked to the Verizon/Vodafone SIM card the phones ship with), it should work just fine on other GSM carriers that have supported bands (which is pretty much everyone around the world...except AT&T and T-Mobile in the US).

I have the Droid Pro with a bad ESN works fine in GSM networks. It also flashed CDMA module under local CDMA operator. EVDO works fine.

it works!
A friend ob Mine does use a Bad esn droid pro with vodafone sim in germany
[/B]QUOTE=m.dekoning9;16603551]Hi all!
Well Googled my a.. off but I can't seem to get a straight answer.
So here it goes:
- Will a phone with "bad ESN", which you see often on Ebay, work in Europe?
(assuming it is a world capable phone)
As I understand it, ESN is the only used in the US when the phone is used in Europe it uses a different antenna and makes use of the IMEI code. So in theory it should work, different systems. But I can't seem to find anyone who can confirm this without a shadow of doubt.
And lets not go into the discussion about the ethical or legal side of things, I just want to know if it will be a problem or not?
Cheers,
Martijn[/QUOTE]

Does a bad ESN necessarily mean that the phone was stolen? I always assumed that would be the only reason why a phone would have a bad ESN.
Also, If I purchase another phone and want to sell my Droid, does my droid pro have a "clean" ESN?

LeoBloom. said:
Does a bad ESN necessarily mean that the phone was stolen? I always assumed that would be the only reason why a phone would have a bad ESN.
Also, If I purchase another phone and want to sell my Droid, does my droid pro have a "clean" ESN?
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Stolen is one possibility. Another possibility is that the person who owned the phone didn't pay their bills, so the ESN of their phone was flagged.
Assuming you don't have anything outstanding on your account, your Droid Pro's ESN will be clean and clear for someone else to activate as soon as you activate a different phone on that line.

purchasing advice
Hi all - first post for me!
I'm in a position where I could do with some advice around buying a Droid Pro from the States. I have three options, and I'm struggling to find any definitive threads that allow me to buy with confidence using the first two options:
1) The cheapest (£100) is a bad ESN phone (unlocked).
I have asked the seller what the reason is for the bad ESN (He'll probably lie to me, but at least I have it in writing!) and whether he will accept a return if it won't work with a UK SIM.
The summary is from what I've read on here, it will work fine in the UK but I'm buggered if I ever venture to the USA. Fair enough I suppose.
Anyone got a view on selling the device on to someone like CEX in the future? Is it worth mentioning that it has a bad ESN in the states if I sell to a UK seller? (I think I know the moral answer to this already!)
2) Buy a used/locked Verizon phone (£150ish)and attempt to get it unlocked
I've read quite a few resources and from what I understand, it is pretty difficult to get the device unlocked by using third party vendors (The codes don't work). Is there a way to unlock the phone yourself using a new ROM or root?
3) Buy a new/unlocked phone (£270)
The price jumps massively here but still probably alot cheaper than a new Pro+ will be when it arrives in the next couple of months. Someone is selling a used/unlocked Droid on here from Birmingham, UK but the asking price is wildly optimistic. It just so happens I'm in Birmingham too!
Any views would be most appreciated.

mjgerrard said:
1) The cheapest (£100) is a bad ESN phone (unlocked).
I have asked the seller what the reason is for the bad ESN (He'll probably lie to me, but at least I have it in writing!) and whether he will accept a return if it won't work with a UK SIM.
The summary is from what I've read on here, it will work fine in the UK but I'm buggered if I ever venture to the USA. Fair enough I suppose.
Anyone got a view on selling the device on to someone like CEX in the future? Is it worth mentioning that it has a bad ESN in the states if I sell to a UK seller? (I think I know the moral answer to this already!)
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You shouldn't expect to be able to return a phone with a bad ESN. They're always sold "as is" because of the fact that it has a bad ESN. But yeah, it should work in the UK just fine. There's no reason that it wouldn't. As far as venturing to the USA, even if it didn't have a bad ESN, you still wouldn't be able to use it in the USA. The GSM bands for AT&T and T-Mobile are locked out in the USA, even if you're trying to roam on a foreign SIM. The only way to use a Droid Pro in the USA (short of paying a good chunk of change to Team Black Hat to flash the phone and unlock the GSM bands) is through Verizon, and you'd have to have an account with them to use it.
And I would mention the bad ESN if trying to resell it, if only for the probably very doubtful fact that someone might want to end up trying to activate it on Verizon. But of course, the ESN is only bad for Verizon and no other carrier.
You could also look around and try to find a used, unlocked Pro. I tried to sell my unlocked Pro a month or so ago and couldn't move it here or on any other forum, even at $200 US. Doesn't seem to be much interest these days. But, I'm glad I didn't end up selling it because I didn't care that much for the Droid 3 and was longing for my Droid Pro again.

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You shouldn't expect to be able to return a phone with a bad ESN. They're always sold "as is" because of the fact that it has a bad ESN. But yeah, it should work in the UK just fine.
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Yup the reason why I asked about returning it was not for the fact that it had a bad ESN, but that the seller explicitly says in the advert that it can be used outside of the USA. It just made (hopefully) for a foolproof plan of activating it in the UK.
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As far as venturing to the USA, even if it didn't have a bad ESN, you still wouldn't be able to use it in the USA. The GSM bands for AT&T and T-Mobile are locked out in the USA, even if you're trying to roam on a foreign SIM. The only way to use a Droid Pro in the USA (short of paying a good chunk of change to Team Black Hat to flash the phone and unlock the GSM bands) is through Verizon, and you'd have to have an account with them to use it.
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I might be going mad, but I have gone over to the USA with a GSM only phone and it worked fine. Frankly, I'm never expecting these things to work when going State-side, but pleasantly suprised when they do. Sorry I can't remember what phone it was that I took over there though...
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You could also look around and try to find a used, unlocked Pro. I tried to sell my unlocked Pro a month or so ago and couldn't move it here or on any other forum, even at $200 US. Doesn't seem to be much interest these days. But, I'm glad I didn't end up selling it because I didn't care that much for the Droid 3 and was longing for my Droid Pro again.
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That's a shame - I'd happily pay $250 (negotiable) if it was in good condition and clean ESN/Unlocked. Let me know if you wish to part with it!
Mike.

Any comments from anyone on option 2: Unlocking a Verizon phone using a 3rd party vs rooting the device?

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I might be going mad, but I have gone over to the USA with a GSM only phone and it worked fine. Frankly, I'm never expecting these things to work when going State-side, but pleasantly suprised when they do. Sorry I can't remember what phone it was that I took over there though...
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Generally GSM phones will work in the USA. But with Verizon devices, it's different (or I should say with several Verizon devices). Verizon doesn't have a lot of devices with a GSM radio since they're a CDMA network. The few devices they do have with a GSM radio are marketed as global devices, and the GSM radio is designed to be used outside of the US. Verizon doesn't want people using their devices (that they pay to carry exclusively in the USA) on other networks within the USA. So, they lock out the bands for the two GSM providers in the USA - AT&T and T-Mobile. Unless you go through the costly process of having those bands unlocked (which can't be done with every phone), the phones will generally only work on Verizon in the USA. In order to have it work with Verizon, it would have to be activated on their CDMA network. With a Verizon branded phone, that of course can't happen unless you're a Verizon customer and it certainly can't happen for a phone with a bad ESN.
So yeah, normally unlocked GSM devices will work just fine in the USA, but Verizon devices are a different story...most of the time (there are a few Verizon global devices that work in the USA, but the Droid Pro is not one of them).
As for your question about unlock codes, they have been hit or miss from most online vendors. Most of the reputable vendors will refund the money to you if the code doesn't work, but of course you're still stuck with a locked phone. Most of the posts I've seen recently have reported successful unlocks with the online codes however. I haven't seen anything about unlocking it via root though. That's not to say there isn't a way, but I've never seen anything for that.

Brilliant post on the USA networks pal, its difficult to appreciate the differences considering I live in the UK. Thanks for that, alot more of Engadget CDMA news posts make sense now!
As for the other point, I guess ill have to figure out whether I want to take the risk or not. The bad ESN phone on eBay has sold (not a major problem) so ill be trying to get a good price for a used/unlocked model.
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Considering buying a bad esn phone for a kid to use as a media player. Trying to understand if there are any reasons this would NOT be evil before I do it, and I fully realize that the only way to know for sure is if the seller is willing to reveal the ESN somehow and ask the carrier. If the seller won't reveal, I will assume evilness and move on. SO here are the reasons I understand so far for a bad esn.
1. Stolen/Lost phone that needs to go back to the owner
2. Owner walked away from contract, carrier is out $$ and would presumably like the hardware back
3. unreturned warranty exchange unit (technically stolen too)
come to think of it, seems like there are no legit reasons for a bad esn, but i welcome thoughts anyway

btrcp2000 said:
Considering buying a bad esn phone for a kid to use as a media player. Trying to understand if there are any reasons this would NOT be evil before I do it, and I fully realize that the only way to know for sure is if the seller is willing to reveal the ESN somehow and ask the carrier. If the seller won't reveal, I will assume evilness and move on. SO here are the reasons I understand so far for a bad esn.
1. Stolen/Lost phone that needs to go back to the owner
2. Owner walked away from contract, carrier is out $$ and would presumably like the hardware back
3. unreturned warranty exchange unit (technically stolen too)
come to think of it, seems like there are no legit reasons for a bad esn, but i welcome thoughts anyway
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Er, I'm using an Iphone 4 with a bad ESN (from Ebay). But not for cell service. I'm using it as a wireless internet phone ( Callwithus ) over wifi.

btrcp2000 said:
Considering buying a bad esn phone for a kid to use as a media player. Trying to understand if there are any reasons this would NOT be evil before I do it, and I fully realize that the only way to know for sure is if the seller is willing to reveal the ESN somehow and ask the carrier. If the seller won't reveal, I will assume evilness and move on. SO here are the reasons I understand so far for a bad esn.
1. Stolen/Lost phone that needs to go back to the owner
2. Owner walked away from contract, carrier is out $$ and would presumably like the hardware back
3. unreturned warranty exchange unit (technically stolen too)
come to think of it, seems like there are no legit reasons for a bad esn, but i welcome thoughts anyway
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But, wouldn't it be illegal, or unwise at least, to sell such a phone on Ebay then?

Id never buy a bad ESN mobile myself. Loads on ebay.com in the USA and afak, a bad ESN mobile phone or as they say in the USA, cell phone, it will NOT work in the UK. GSM or CDMA. Dont buya bad esn phone thinking you will save money or you will end up with an expensive brick. Android or IOS phones with bad ESNs DO NOT work in the UK

For those wondering if the N6 will work on Verizon....

I just spoke with an awesome and knowledgeable rep from Google over the phone. He told me without a doubt that the N6 OUT OF THE BOX will work on Verizon. There will NOT be a special model made for Verizon and that there is TWO Models, A US & International Model THAT'S IT. He said anyone who buys from the Play Store can simply pop in their SIM and the phone will do the rest. He also stated if you need more confirmation, Just visit http://www.google.com/nexus/6/ and scroll the the bottom right and there you will see Verizon Wireless.
Some of us already knew this including myself, But i realize some of you are nervous about spending all your money just for the phone not to work. You are good to go!

J.Guido85 said:
I just spoke with an awesome and knowledgeable rep from Google over the phone. He told me without a doubt that the N6 OUT OF THE BOX will work on Verizon. There will NOT be a special model made for Verizon and that there is TWO Models, A US & International Model THAT'S IT. He said anyone who buys from the Play Store can simply pop in their SIM and the phone will do the rest. He also stated if you need more confirmation, Just visit http://www.google.com/nexus/6/ and scroll the the bottom right and there you will see Verizon Wireless.
Some of us already knew this including myself, But i realize some of you are nervous about spending all your money just for the phone not to work. You are good to go!
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Im one of the many americans who live nearly paycheck to paycheck and cant afford to pay 649 for a phone off contract, sure id love to just not feasible in my current situation. 199 on contract is perfect for me because i can sell my galaxy s4 for around that and not have to pay any "out of pocket" i know in the end im paying more but this is just easier for me, than dropping 649 all at once. With that being said im gonna start saving for it and if verzion decides to delay that long i will purchase from google.

seems like tmobile is the only carrier i can see offering this on the home screen of their site.

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/10/31/nexus-6-working-on-verizon-out-of-the-box/
or there is this...

This does not answer the question that MOST people need answered....... We don't care if the play store version will work on Verizon......most people aren't buying the play store version outright.... We need to know if the Verizon version will be locked down..... Just because it's the same hardware doesn't mean that Verizon doesn't get Motorola to flash their own version of firmware that locks out the ability to unlock the bootloader!

anthonyg45157 said:
Im one of the many americans who live nearly paycheck to paycheck and cant afford to pay 649 for a phone off contract, sure id love to just not feasible in my current situation. 199 on contract is perfect for me because i can sell my galaxy s4 for around that and not have to pay any "out of pocket" i know in the end im paying more but this is just easier for me, than dropping 649 all at once. With that being said im gonna start saving for it and if verzion decides to delay that long i will purchase from google.
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You're actually saving money by buying a phone on contract if you are going to use it on Verizon. The only way you save money is paying full retail and then going with a cheaper pre-paid carrier.

Ive pestered verizon online and over the phone and can't get a straight answer if they will ever carry it. Im hoping we hear something offical. From a business standpoint I can see why they would delay it. But thats TERRIBLE for customers but verizon always gets the last word as seen in all previous situations. Im fine to wait until end of Novemeber but any longer I may switch carriers. Might even be some black Friday deals

I think the nexus 6 sold by verizon most likely is a locked phone, which is why verizon store is selling the phone later than other carrier for they need to patched the phone.

polke45 said:
I think the nexus 6 sold by verizon most likely is a locked phone, which is why verizon store is selling the phone later than other carrier for they need to patched the phone.
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I doubt it. Verizon's other high end phones have been GSM unlocked for the most part.

Verizon actually would take the least issue with selling a GSM unlocked device.
All of their LTE devices are sold GSM unlocked.
Because of the compatibility, this appears to be the first device they'll ever truly allow in a "bring your own device" fashion without pre-approving the IMEI in their database. It's good to see, and it makes sense with the push to sign customers up on Edge and the lack of contracts now.

Take it for what it's worth and with a hefty dose of salt, but someone claims to have spoken with their friend who's a network engineer and it sounds dodgy:
http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus6/comments/2lhrm2/detailed_information_on_status_of_the_nexus_6_and/
Sounds like while it may work right out of the box with an existing nano sim, you may be screwed without an existing activated nano sim. Furthermore, it sounds like the delayed release on Verizon (check out the individual page now which only mentions T-Mobile, AT&T, Sprint and US Cellular) may be because Verizon is trying to change the terms of the agreement and try to get software specific to them and they may pull a Nexus One and drop it entirely.
I'm a bit concerned that even if I can get it to work from the day my GPS version arrives, they can at any time decide to block it and I'll have a phone I can't use on Verizon. If they pull that ****, I'll probably just leave for AT&T anyway, but the risk is still there.
Until Verizon officially announces something or is selling the device, those of us with a play store or motorola.com phone we've purchased are taking a risk it may not work or may work for a while and then stop working. And if Verizon decides not to "play ball" then what happens with radio updates? If there are radio bugs, we're screwed because they'd have to go through Verizon for that wouldn't they?

It would make sense if they didn't allow any unlockable bootloader phone on their network. But they are allowing Samsung to sell a dev edition Note 4.

Mayze23 said:
It would make sense if they didn't allow any unlockable bootloader phone on their network. But they are allowing Samsung to sell a dev edition Note 4.
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Like anything Verizon does makes logical sense?

J.Guido85 said:
I just spoke with an awesome and knowledgeable rep from Google over the phone. He told me without a doubt that the N6 OUT OF THE BOX will work on Verizon. There will NOT be a special model made for Verizon and that there is TWO Models, A US & International Model THAT'S IT. He said anyone who buys from the Play Store can simply pop in their SIM and the phone will do the rest. He also stated if you need more confirmation, Just visit http://www.google.com/nexus/6/ and scroll the the bottom right and there you will see Verizon Wireless.
Some of us already knew this including myself, But i realize some of you are nervous about spending all your money just for the phone not to work. You are good to go!
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Just spoke with a Moto Rep and he assured me I'll have no problem activating on VZW. Seems like good news... now... white or blue.

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Just spoke with a Moto Rep and he assured me I'll have no problem activating on VZW. Seems like good news... now... white or blue.
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Regarding the earlier point about whether Verizon will even carry the Nexus 6, I spent some time today at a local Verizon store looking at what my choices might be (like the Droid Turbo) if the Nexus 6 doesn't appear and asked specifically to the availability/timing of the Nexus 6 at Verizon. The manager wasn't aware of any date but did indicate they might not even carry it if the phone couldn't pass the Verizon testing and approval process. Not a answer that gives a great deal of hope but at least I didn't get the entire denial of any knowledge of status.
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If vzw pulls a nexus one to htc incredible or black list imes why don't people organize and protest the fcc. Vzw is a carrier. We should have any device on their network as long as it's not harmful and they must prove harm case by case.
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You would think someone would be in some deep **** if a bunch of us buy it for Verizon and then can't use it, especially when it says Verizon right on the Google play page and numerous of Google and Motorola employees confirming it works. I know were all tense about this but I really believe were all worrying to much. I know Verizons history as much as anyone so can't blame u but I say were gonna be alright.

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You would think someone would be in some deep **** if a bunch of us buy it for Verizon and then can't use it, especially when it says Verizon right on the Google play page and numerous of Google and Motorola employees confirming it works. I know were all tense about this but I really believe were all worrying to much. I know Verizons history as much as anyone so can't blame u but I say were gonna be alright.
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There's nothing on Google Play store saying it works on Verizon BTW... Not sure where you saw that... Unfortunately VZW can carry or not carry any phone they want.

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There's nothing on Google Play store saying it works on Verizon BTW... Not sure where you saw that... Unfortunately VZW can carry or not carry any phone they want.
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It is on the specs page as well as the device page (their logo) and was also mentioned on their blog or whatever. If it's all just to say it's /could/ work, then Google should honor returns well past the 14-day period because it sure as hell is misleading as hell.

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It is on the specs page as well as the device page (their logo) and was also mentioned on their blog or whatever. If it's all just to say it's /could/ work, then Google should honor returns well past the 14-day period because it sure as hell is misleading as hell.
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Interesting; I don't see any of that here.

Who's at fault for locked broader?

Broader/bootloader, whatever. Here. Here's your thread. Please stop clogging other threads with your theories.
I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens.
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Lol I feel you, OP. This has gotten sad.
Unfortunately, I don't think it matters anymore who's fault it is (both), since the only people who can do anything about it have moved on to the international version, or other devices completely. I was one of the hopeful, but the petty bickering in here and the lack of updates from Tmo has made me all but give up. The main thread got closed down, and the push pretty much died there. Ice was supposed to have Forbes cover the story and have a lawyer look into possible legal action, neither of which panned out, through no fault of Ice's. It's just the way the cookie crumbled.
For the sake of being on topic, it's both Samsung and Tmo's fault sort of. Samsung locked the phone and Tmo didn't request it be unlocked. Either one of them could unlock it easily, which is why I held out hope in the first place, but the lack of action, or even updates leads me to believe we're SOL. I'm going to file an insurance claim with Upsie and request they send me an international version. I suggest anyone who wants root do the same. Upsie's deductible is only $25, but you have to purchase a new insurance plan once you get your new phone.

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Lol I feel you, OP. This has gotten sad.
Unfortunately, I don't think it matters anymore who's fault it is (both), since the only people who can do anything about it have moved on to the international version, or other devices completely. I was one of the hopeful, but the petty bickering in here and the lack of updates from Tmo has made me all but give up. The main thread got closed down, and the push pretty much died there. Ice was supposed to have Forbes cover the story and have a lawyer look into possible legal action, neither of which panned out, through no fault of Ice's. It's just the way the cookie crumbled.
For the sake of being on topic, it's both Samsung and Tmo's fault sort of. Samsung locked the phone and Tmo didn't request it be unlocked. Either one of them could unlock it easily, which is why I held out hope in the first place, but the lack of action, or even updates leads me to believe we're SOL. I'm going to file an insurance claim with Upsie and request they send me an international version. I suggest anyone who wants root do the same. Upsie's deductible is only $25, but you have to purchase a new insurance plan once you get your new phone.
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T-Mobile has always been on the stance since the Amaze. It's up to the manufacturer to lock it or not. They would never request it to be locked. To date all bootloaders prior to the S7 were unlocked except where manufacturers have locked them. IE HTC. LG did lock a bootloader once and they themselves admitted(front office response) they locked it.
Someone may bring up Sony device. They still haven't answered this question. What does T-Mobile have to gain to lock those devices and not every other device on their network? Have yet to see a valid reason.
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Damn phone. Haha
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T-Mobile has always been on the stance since the Amaze. It's up to the manufacturer to lock it or not. They would never request it to be locked. To date all bootloaders prior to the S7 were unlocked except where manufacturers have locked them. IE HTC. LG did lock a bootloader once and they themselves admitted(front office response) they locked it.
Someone may bring up Sony device. They still haven't answered this question. What does T-Mobile have to gain to lock those devices and not every other device on their network? Have yet to see a valid reason.
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It's not that they requested it to be locked, it's that they didn't request it to be unlocked. Samsung is the one who physically locked it, but Tmo just it took as is.
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My 2c: the fact that Des (tmo prod vp) had to ask someone on twitter what would he do with root showed me how disconnected the power-that-be from the needs of the niche development community. It is what is. Like him, many people who are the face of tech is unfortunately just power users, with no deeper connection than somehow ending up in the tech dept by luck or by proficiency in climbing the ladder. If those who can move mountains for us on this don't understand the need in the first place , there will be no movement.
tldr; so long, SM-G930T and SM-G935T. Hope we meet again on better terms. Tmo and Samsung, give my VR and gift cards, and I'll be on my way possibly with the F. Thanks for the Netflix!

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My 2c: the fact that Des (tmo prod vp) had to ask someone on twitter what would he do with root showed me how disconnected the power-that-be from the needs of the niche development community. It is what is. Like him, many people who are the face of tech is unfortunately just power users, with no deeper connection than somehow ending up in the tech dept by luck or by proficiency in climbing the ladder. If those who can move mountains for us on this don't understand the need in the first place , there will be no movement.
tldr; so long, SM-G930T and SM-G935T. Hope we meet again on better terms. Tmo and Samsung, give my VR and gift cards, and I'll be on my way possibly with the F. Thanks for the Netflix!
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Haha yeah bet...Enjoy your new phone. The galaxy s7 edge is easily touted as the Best android smartphone out right now in terms of design, features and specs. Everybody who leaves samsung for another phone because they want root is either new to the game or just wants to tag along.. folks who have had ROOT since way back when, don't really care that much. At least I dont..i could see rooting and all if I needed it back when I was 16. Android is mature enough!!
And honestly yall should too. Returning a phone because it has EVERYTHING YOU want except root? Hahaha it's like me letting go of the perfect woman because she can't **** other guys lol. It's a SECURED device. People with root are less secure more vulnerable but hey I speak from experience. First people where crying because they didn't have an SD card Yada, yadayada not it has that, the best battery life on any phone. Yet people aren't happy? F IT, you can't please the whole gotdamn world. I know A LOT of us are indeed happy with the phone and didn't get it for the freebies like I'm sure you jumped to the g5 to get the little battery and little cam huh?
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Haha yeah bet...Enjoy your new phone. The galaxy s7 edge is easily touted as the Best android smartphone out right now in terms of design, features and specs. Everybody who leaves samsung for another phone because they want root is either new to the game or just wants to tag along.. folks who have had ROOT since way back when, don't really care that much. At least I dont..i could see rooting and all if I needed it back when I was 16. Android is mature enough!!
And honestly yall should too. Returning a phone because it has EVERYTHING YOU want except root? Hahaha it's like me letting go of the perfect woman because she can't **** other guys lol. It's a SECURED device. People with root are less secure more vulnerable but hey I speak from experience. First people where crying because they didn't have an SD card Yada, yadayada not it has that, the best battery life on any phone. Yet people aren't happy? F IT, you can't please the whole gotdamn world. I know A LOT of us are indeed happy with the phone and didn't get it for the freebies like I'm sure you jumped to the g5 to get the little battery and little cam huh?
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This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.

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This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.
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It is? Lol. No sht...OK then...nevermind...pointless
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Well just my 2c it doesn't matter who is at fault the fact is our device is locked down. No way I would consider returning this device. Would I like root sure but for now it isn't happening. Most of these threads are just meant to vent but really serve no purpose.
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This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.
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That's why I started this thread, but the bounty thread still got locked.
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It's not that they requested it to be locked, it's that they didn't request it to be unlocked. Samsung is the one who physically locked it, but Tmo just it took as is.
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Who's to say T-Mobile didn't even get the option or the choice? Samsung has been awfully quiet in this whole thing. Legere put them under the bus and do you think T-Mobile would say a lie which Samsung has proof it wasn't true to have it blow up in T-Mobile's face for lying. Think about it for a minute.
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Who's to say T-Mobile didn't even get the option or the choice? Samsung has been awfully quiet in this whole thing. Legere put them under the bus and do you think T-Mobile would say a lie which Samsung has proof it wasn't true to have it blow up in T-Mobile's face for lying. Think about it for a minute.
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Again though, it WAS Samsung who locked the bootloader, so Tmo isn't lying, and I'm sure they DID have the choice, and they chose not to request and unlocked version.

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Again though, it WAS Samsung who locked the bootloader, so Tmo isn't lying, and I'm sure they DID have the choice, and they chose not to request and unlocked version.
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Source of this information that they did have a choice, or is this purely your speculation? So far Samsung is silent and hasn't said anything about it officially.
Also they are requesting it now and Samsung has a method already developed(see china). So why the Samsung dilly dally?
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Source of this information that they did have a choice, or is this purely your speculation? So far Samsung is silent and hasn't said anything about it officially.
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I guess you could call it educated speculation. Historically, Tmo has had unlocked/unlockable bootloaders, while other carriers' were locked. This is the first phone in recent memory that has shipped locked down on Tmo, at least since I've been with them. This leads me to believethat they generally request theirs to be unlocked. If they didn't have the choice (which I guess is entirely possible) this would be the first time I can recall.
In addition, the fact that Samsung released their own Exynos versions with unlockable bootloaders lends itself to the theory that the BLs were locked at US carrier request. More than likely, AT&T and Verizon requested locked down versions, and for one reason or another, Tmo and Sprint didn't specifically request unlocked ones. I don't pretend to know what those reasons are, but I'm sure they're there.
It's also possible that ALL Snapdragon variants are locked by Qualcomm, since the only way to unlock the Asian Snapdragon variants is with the CROM Service app, but the CROM Service app doesn't work on US versions because we don't have the CROM lock on our bootloaders. This brings up the question of who's choice it was to exclude this lock as well. If it was Samsung, why did they include it on the Asian variants?Logically, it always comes back to the US carriers no matter how you look at it. This part is entirely speculation, however.

The LG G2 was locked and LG said they locked it themselves and no one was given the option and that included overseas as well.
All HTC devices were locked by HTC, but they gave an option to unlock it. HTC on carriers request will remove carrier devices from the unlock list if requested.
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Also just because other variants have the ability doesn't mean carriers were given an option. For example China which you brought up has the option. In China that could be a government request and in order to sell there they must have a method to do so.
They could easily flash a new bootloader and install allow Crom in the states. T-Mobile right now is playing nice and is taking the heat for something they probably didn't have an option, or could very well didn't know they had an option due to the fact Samsung never told them or they assumed it was unlocked as you always had to request it to be locked.
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The LG G2 was locked and LG said they locked it themselves and no one was given the option and that included overseas as well.
All HTC devices were locked by HTC, but they gave an option to unlock it. HTC on carriers request will remove carrier devices from the unlock list if requested.
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The difference between those examples and this one is that in those cases, ALL devices were locked unless (in HTC's case) the carrier specifically requested otherwise. This only lends itself to my explanation. In this case, only the Snapdragon variants are locked. Samsung's own Exynos versions aren't. The only thing that makes sense is that Samsung locked the BLs at AT&T and Verizon's request, and Tmo and Sprint were like "*shrug* whatever". Or it's possible they wanted unlocked versions, but some other circumstances prevented that from happening.
I don't know for sure, this is just the most plausible explanation I can see. Either way though it doesn't really matter. As I said in my first post on this thread, the only ones who can do anything about it have moved on and by the time Tmo or Samsung release an unlock (if they ever do) there will be significantly less development than the international version, since most devs have jumped over there.

It can't be BOTH ways. It either has to be locked and carrier request to unlock or unlocked and carriers have to lock it. Right now you are using both ways. If Verizon and AT&T can request it to be locked then that means they were unlocked to begin with. That means Sprint and T-Mobile would have to request them to be unlocked. That would mean Samsung themselves couldn't have locked it. Now if it was reversed then you would have a point. Right now last I remember both Sprint and T-Mobile said it's Samsung who locked it. The way they talk it seems like they were never given the option. Samsung could clear the air but remains silent probably due to the fact they locked it themselves and NEVER gave anyone an option here in the states.
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