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Skyraider has me thinking... dinc or x

Anyone else have the option to switch to the Droid X from the Incredible but because of Skyraider 2.5.2 vanilla you are having second thoughts? My logic was that a phone without Rom options may stop my incessant xda checking , but at the same time I'm not sure if I can live with motoblur. Also, I really want that big screen. Anyone fell like convincing me either way?
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The Moto X screen is the same resolution as the Dinc screen. That means that the same pixels are just blown up over that big screen. The Dinc screen is so crisp, the X, not so much. Stick with the Dinc.

Its not the same resolution, but close enough.

I bought the x the day it came out, sent it back a week later, and reactivated my Incredible. I just didn't care for the size of the X, or the physical buttons.

A good investment
jdkoreclipse said:
Stay dinc...we already have awesome devs and full root and nand
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In addition, the DInc will be the last great AMOLED phone before the coming age of the locked bootloader. Even DInc's in the near future will have locked bootloaders (after the official 2.2 OTA). I fear the age of Android ROM cooking is coming to an end. I'm tempted to go out and buy another DInc, before the OTA hits and then it's...game over... Unlocked DInc's will be worth their weight in gold. Yep, just might be a good time to invest in a couple more unlocked DIncs...
I never was an optimist...

Well done xda! In just 5 replies I believe you have me convinced. Perhaps I will still try the x though... you know what I am really thinking? Keep the small screen (and customization) of the dinc and wait for a Android tablet to fill my large screen needs.
Thanks again, I will cancel my x order on Monday?
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Naw...
Lexus One said:
In addition, the DInc will be the last great AMOLED phone before the coming age of the locked bootloader. Even DInc's in the near future will have locked bootloaders (after the official 2.2 OTA). I fear the age of Android ROM cooking is coming to an end. I'm tempted to go out and buy another DInc, before the OTA hits and then it's...game over... Unlocked DInc's will be worth their weight in gold. Yep, just might be a good time to invest in a couple more unlocked DIncs...
I never was an optimist...
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The cat and mouse game will continue. Nothing is unrootable. You can't give someone the keys and the lock and expect it not to get picked.

dhalem said:
The cat and mouse game will continue. Nothing is unrootable. You can't give someone the keys and the lock and expect it not to get picked.
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Rooting is a different process than flashing ROMs...or so I have read. But the only way a locked & digitally signed bootloader will get picked is with the appropriate key. And only Verizon has the key and will be able to update your ROMs. It's going to be a lot tougher now. Someone on the inside will have to leak the digital key. Not saying that this can't happen...but will it? Only time will tell...

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Rooting is a different process than flashing ROMs...or so I have read. But the only way a locked & digitally signed bootloader will get picked is with the appropriate key. And only Verizon has the key and will be able to update your ROMs. It's going to be a lot tougher now. Someone on the inside will have to leak the digital key. Not saying that this can't happen...but will it? Only time will tell...
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Couldn't the new law on jailbreaking/rooting come into play here? It's now 100% legal so couldn't you go in and say (using vzw as an example any carrier will work) Verizon, I have this phone here I want rooted. Verizon then says ok we will give you access if you sign this saying you know and are willfully voiding your warranty. Or something like that. I just can't see how these scenarios or something similar won't happen with the new ruling
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Yodes said:
Couldn't the new law on jailbreaking/rooting come into play here? It's now 100% legal so couldn't you go in and say (using vzw as an example any carrier will work) Verizon, I have this phone here I want rooted. Verizon then says ok we will give you access if you sign this saying you know and are willfully voiding your warranty. Or something like that. I just can't see how these scenarios or something similar won't happen with the new ruling
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Its legal, but that doesn't mean they have to make it easy, and it sure doesn't mean that it doesnt void your warranty.

My brother-in-law has an X and I have a DINC. That phone is way to big and comparing them I feel mine works better "my opion". The only thing I like about the X is, it has a nice dash mount.

Why root?

I had a g1 up until the vibrant and I definitely saw the benefits if root there. Just wondering what peoples reasons are for rooting the vibrant?
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use the search feature.. there are 10+ other threads about this. its the same reason why you rooted your G1. also wrong section.

Mmmmm I already not found a reason to root. I had a G1 too and that phone if not its rooted its a brick, but this one(vibrant) its perfect!! No need to root

Lag fix is the major one. Also wrong section.

vibrantuser said:
Mmmmm I already not found a reason to root. I had a G1 too and that phone if not its rooted its a brick, but this one(vibrant) its perfect!! No need to root
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Yes this is an amazing phone out of the box but...
1.Root is extremely easy because of the help from the forum
2.you can customize the phone more with morph and roms
3.you can greatly improve performance of the phone easily.
4.Guaranteed this forum will get 2.2 to everyone before Tmobile/samsung
Just root and apply the lag fix.. You can do that in 10min and can see a big difference
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Stock Root + RyanZA LagFix + Captive Camera MOD

Full backups. That's the big reason I root.

Free wifi tethering
Also, wrong section......

I love this forum but I hate how theres always a million posts about "wrong section" and search. There are more posts about what section your threading in than actual threads in the wrong section, thus cluttering the search function forcing people to post instead of wading through thousands of flaming posts.
I know you all wanna be mods but damn send a resume and apply.
Lames! Ugh!
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I don't get why you wouldn't want to root, its EASILY able to root and unroot.
If you're on XDA then you most likely have an interest in maximizing the most out of your $199.99 or $499.99 investment. The biggest reason why i rooted was because if im going to pay $199.99 on something and use it for two-years then I want the MOST out of it. It's so easy to unroot if you need to return it to T-Mobile, so why not?
Removing bloatware is a pretty good reason to root.

zephiK said:
I don't get why you wouldn't want to root, its EASILY able to root and unroot.
If you're on XDA then you most likely have an interest in maximizing the most out of your $199.99 or $499.99 investment. The biggest reason why i rooted was because if im going to pay $199.99 on something and use it for two-years then I want the MOST out of it. It's so easy to unroot if you need to return it to T-Mobile, so why not?
Removing bloatware is a pretty good reason to root.
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hahaha sup zephik. it's buttons from stormreaver. small friggin world dude, we keep running into each other.

wookieloou said:
hahaha sup zephik. it's buttons from stormreaver. small friggin world dude, we keep running into each other.
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-______- you're never on steam either.

[Q] Probablility of Bricking my phone? <- Noob

Whats the probability of bricking my phone if I root it and install some apps vs rooting it and installing roms? I tried to look around for info on this and found an article on another site that says it's kind hard to brick a phone since there are 3 safety measures in place? Sorry, a tad paranoid here, first smart phone.

close to 0 unless you really start to do some really wrong things

Its tough to be beyond recovery. The only surefire way I've seen is clicking "phone" instead of "pda" in odin. This forum is great and everyone is very helpful. Before flashing a new rom, read a much as possible. You should be fine.
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keith.mcintyre26 said:
Its tough to be beyond recovery. The only surefire way I've seen is clicking "phone" instead of "pda" in odin. This forum is great and everyone is very helpful. Before flashing a new rom, read a much as possible. You should be fine.
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ok thanks, is it easy to flash to stock? I saw the way to do it in odin wasn't sure if there is something even easier.

The probability of bricking your phone if inversely proportionate to the amount of reading you do before you flash something!
If you stick to the proven, tested, well documented stuff and read, then re-read, the directions you will be fine.

If this is your first android device, I would strongly encourage reading a lot and a few times before attempting...Fascinate is a bit different from other android devices as well the way the system works...I have had eris, droid, incredible and the x...and with the fascinate still read and re-read everything before attempting. One tiny missed step could cause hours of hassle and recovery time...
Just to give you some directions...here are good threads to read:
-ROOT, Recovery, Update and More...
-How to flash Voodoo Kernels and more...
Also, don't be afraid to ask questions... it's always better to ask, then mess something up.
What are you trying to do?

tats_06 said:
If this is your first android device, I would strongly encourage reading a lot and a few times before attempting...Fascinate is a bit different from other android devices as well the way the system works...I have had eris, droid, incredible and the x...and with the fascinate still read and re-read everything before attempting. One tiny missed step could cause hours of hassle and recovery time...
Just to give you some directions...here are good threads to read:
-Links Removed Reason: New User
Also, don't be afraid to ask questions... it's always better to ask, then mess something up.
What are you trying to do?
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I want to root the phone to get rid of annoying bing and install the wireless tethering app. Then I wanted to install voodoo to hopefully fix the lag which I sometimes get. I'm just concerned about the ease of reverting to stock. I am kinda interested in custom roms or themes but not entirely sure of the benefits of the roms or the safety of installing either.
On a side note dang how did you afford all the phones or did you just trade them up as you went?

Slacker101 said:
I want to root the phone to get rid of annoying bing and install the wireless tethering app. Then I wanted to install voodoo to hopefully fix the lag which I sometimes get. I'm just concerned about the ease of reverting to stock. I am kinda interested in custom roms or themes but not entirely sure of the benefits of the roms or the safety of installing either.
On a side note dang how did you afford all the phones or did you just trade them up as you went?
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I have 3 lines with vzw, so I do have updates once in a while
My eris, I had less than 30 days and traded it in for droid...then sold droid on ebay and bought the incredible....then returned the incredible within 60 days because of bad battery and poor call quality....then got the x...well the x was just too big, so i returned it and bought an incredible off ebay... that one was actually perfect...and finally got the fascinate with one of line upgrades...and sold incredible .....that's quite a history now that I look at it
As far as mods, follow the links I posted above...on the voodoo one, definitely read and re-read to make sure you understand and won't miss steps. If anything, you can always restore back to stock using odin...although hoping you will not end up to need it.

tats_06 said:
I have 3 lines with vzw, so I do have updates once in a while
My eris, I had less than 30 days and traded it in for droid...then sold droid on ebay and bought the incredible....then returned the incredible within 60 days because of bad battery and poor call quality....then got the x...well the x was just too big, so i returned it and bought an incredible off ebay... that one was actually perfect...and finally got the fascinate with one of line upgrades...and sold incredible .....that's quite a history now that I look at it
As far as mods, follow the links I posted above...on the voodoo one, definitely read and re-read to make sure you understand and won't miss steps. If anything, you can always restore back to stock using odin...although hoping you will not end up to need it.
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I went from eris to droid to fascinate. I took a gamble on ebay by starting the bid on a fascinate at $175. I won it for the initial bid and sold my droid on craigslist for $200 so I actually made money getting a better phone. Win.

tats_06 said:
I have 3 lines with vzw, so I do have updates once in a while
My eris, I had less than 30 days and traded it in for droid...then sold droid on ebay and bought the incredible....then returned the incredible within 60 days because of bad battery and poor call quality....then got the x...well the x was just too big, so i returned it and bought an incredible off ebay... that one was actually perfect...and finally got the fascinate with one of line upgrades...and sold incredible .....that's quite a history now that I look at it
As far as mods, follow the links I posted above...on the voodoo one, definitely read and re-read to make sure you understand and won't miss steps. If anything, you can always restore back to stock using odin...although hoping you will not end up to need it.
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Ah alright, yeah the plan is to not need it unless I have to take the phone in for some reason xD. Right now I just realized I'm not sure how to get this damn hard case I bought off the phone... anyway is odin the only way to unroot?

keith.mcintyre26 said:
I went from eris to droid to fascinate. I took a gamble on ebay by starting the bid on a fascinate at $175. I won it for the initial bid and sold my droid on craigslist for $200 so I actually made money getting a better phone. Win.
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That does sound like a win!!!! I sold my incredible for like $360 and got fascinate for $199...not bad either

If your worried about bricking your phone your good. Its when people think they know what they are doing, that's when you mess **** up. Just remember PDA not PHONE when using Odin... PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA.... NOT PHONE....
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Anyone needs to root? [Making automatic rooter]

If anyone needs to root, please post here
Im making an automatic rooter for this phone.

I will need it tomorrow after i pick mine up
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phone really?

Phone lawl
Edit: I couldn't resist. Props though, thus would be appreciated by many I'm sure
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Uhmm, you're gonna build an auto-root for the Xoom?!
I'm the proud owner of a rooted Droid running UD7, and have rooted friends' Droids, too. But STILL, I read the instruction in the root Xoom "how-to" in the dev forum, and I can't for the life of me figure it out enough to have any confidence what so ever while trying it!
-It's the same thing as when root came out for the Droid; there's the "know wtf it all means" crowd getting pelted with redundant Qs from us "can't figure it out" guys!
-So what's the usual donation for this?

I'd probably use one instead of ADB.

alright, so who wants to test it out?

I'd love it. Then I wouldn't my settings and apps.
Mike

I'd love to try it as well
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Just got my wifi Xoom today, so yeah, definitely interested!

im just used to saying "Phone" from modding so many phones.. -__-
lol bare with me..

Does it wipe data and unlock the radio? I'd like to try it but wondering what unlocking would do to my Verizon account and I've installed and setup a lot on this thing and I'm having trouble locating a good pre-root backup app.

xologist said:
alright, so who wants to test it out?
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Just curious, do you have a xoom to test it on ??

Honestly, I'm afraid to go first.

I would assume this is for Xoom 3G and not Wifi only?

Someone point me towards a good backup program for unrooted Xooms so I can backup all my apps and configs and I'll go first

keep in mind that the wifi and 3g xooms appear to be different when it comes to rooting...

I hope you can get this to work for the Wifi version. I never learned to use SDK and adb commands. Used Unrevoked for my Dinc.
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cam30era said:
I hope you can get this to work for the Wifi version. I never learned to use SDK and adb commands. Used Unrevoked for my Dinc.
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Its not a bad thing to learn ;-) and its really not that difficult to use adb.. people are just so damn lazy in this day and age.. its like "what I have to type something?!?! I can't just click something?" Lol god you younger people would have flipped if all you had was dos when you were a kid like me. Hell back then everything was on 5 1/4 floppy disks Lol
I'm taking classes (I'm 35) and the professor asked the class if anyone remembered before there was an internet.. 3 people raised their hands.. lol so if people now a days can't remember when there was no internet its almost impossible to think people know what it was like before windows, when everything was command based.. me I'd much rather type I to a prompt then click a button
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Gosh, thanks for that.
I do remember DOS. I also remember when my school got the new TRS80s during my sophomore year. I remember learning BASIC.
I also remember having to sell my prized posession, a beautiful Fender bass, to pay my rent because my landscaping job wasn't paying me well enough. Thank God I found the part time job shoveling **** at that horse farm. It wasn't so bad because it's cool at night.
Nuttin' like shovelin' **** for five hours after a 10 hour day baking in the sunshine smashing your finger all to hell building rock walls.
What I DON'T seem to remember are any times when I had a spare thousand bucks to set fire to.
Now from all that you might gather that I'm just some dumb ass laborer with no need to even HAVE a Xoom, let alone root the thing, but I'm not. I've hacked my Canon cameras, my K1m, my Droid, and now I want to take my Xoom to its limits.
What I DON'T wanna do is turn it into a friggin paperwieght for my desk (...yes, years later I now work at a desk).
I agree with you that there are a lot of lazy folks these days, and being 8 years your senior, I've witnessed this regression more so than yourself. However, I don't think "lazy" is nearly as accurate as "fearful" is for the true description of folks here looking for a sure-fire way to root with the least amount of possibility of catastophic failure.
Sorry for the rant, but this has always been an issue for me from guys that share your perspective on this.

Well I made a brick :(

I was updating my buddy's DX to GB using the same method I used on my phone. Only difference was i used the rooted and deodexed version for his phone and just rooted on mine. I installed the zip update went to reboot and it won't move past the M screen. I called up tech support just to see what they would say and they said send it back and they'll send a new one. I made sure to be clear that the phone was rooted and they still said that they would replace it. I was shocked but happy. I have a feeling my friend won't let me try again on the new phone
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"YOU CAN ONLY USE THIS FILE IF YOU HAVE ALREADY UPGRADED TO GINGERBREAD"
any chance you missed that step?
I'm sure you could SBF it to 2.3.340,
Root
Install DX Bootstrap
Wipe Data/Cache
Install Rooted GB vie Clockwork
Install D2 Bootstrap
Install Deodexed Rooted GB via Clockwork

I have exactly same problem as you days ago.
and I spent overnight and finally solved the problem myself, I was so upset and felt sad that my Droid X maybe turn to a brick. but lucky It's now alive.
How I recoverd was:
1. Turn off your Droid X
2. Press Camera + Volume Down + Power buttons simultaneously and wait until to USB mode
3. Use RSD Lite 4.8 to flash to official 2.3.340

Yeah I was doing it on little sleep and just grabbed the first gb file I found. Oh well he is getting a new phone
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Vettesfan said:
Yeah I was doing it on little sleep and just grabbed the first gb file I found. Oh well he is getting a new phone
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Well it will be the same process for the new phone, minus the SBF part. Be sure to install rooted GB first, then Deodexed after.

this s*** is getting old ppl, read directions, brick my a$$ reasons like this are why we keep getting locked bootloaders and increased insurance claims. it you dont know how to f'n do something find out how before you do anything or DONT do it

exactly!!!!!! ever hour another thread is posted stating the same thing. is it really that difficult? I understand the process is complex for a noon, but at least reading the op's directions in full and comprehending them before continuing isn't.

You can SBF yourself out of almost any non hardware issue. All it takes is research, patience, and a little bit of thought.

SharkBaitDave said:
You can SBF yourself out of almost any non hardware issue. All it takes is research, patience, and a little bit of thought.
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dont make fun. some ppl cant read

Your an idiot and the reason they lock phones down. All you have to do is sbf back to stock. Thanks for sharing so now we can all make fun of you.
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It is nearly impossible to brick your phone.. bet he feels smart now.. read directions! !!!
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DroidzFX said:
Your an idiot and the reason they lock phones down. All you have to do is sbf back to stock. Thanks for sharing so now we can all make fun of you.
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+1
SBF back and tell VZW to cancel the new phone. If you had read the directions the first time this wouldn't have been an issue. Instead you f-ed it up, called VZW to get a warranty replacement, and VZW locks down new phones even more.
SBF back and don't f it up for the rest of us who can follow directions!

unfortunately this is why verizon and other carriers are starting to track root users. People that root and violate the TOS, warranty, etc then lie and send their phones back are stealing and committing fraud. If you dont know what exactly is happening when you do something, and dont know how to fix it if you **** up (if it violates TOS), then dont do it.

I did not lie to them. I did call tech support, but I made it clear that the phone was rooted and I was attempting to install an unofficial update. They told me that I could still do a warranty return so I took them up on it because it is cheaper than insurance deductible which I was planning on using and was the reason I purchased insurance. I don't believe that is fraud. If I told them its never been rooted and it just crashed that would be another story.
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Rooting voids your warranty. So, if you manage to get a warranty replacement on a rooted device, its technically fraud, irrelevant to the fact that VZW tech support let you return it.
Is talking the cable guy into giving you extra channels for free fraud?