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Maybe we should organize a boycott of the Galaxy Tab

I apologize for making another "I'm mad at Samsung for..." thread, but after trying for the past hours to get the JI5 update and failing, I'm a bit angrier than I usually am and want to hurt Samsung somewhere where they will feel it while not going to extremes like trying to organize a class action suit.
Ever since the Galaxy S line came out they really haven't done much to support it except release 3 buggy updates for three of the phones and completely ignore the one that's been out in the States for the longest (until the "made you look" event of today), yet they're so eager to show off that Galaxy Tab that they want everyone to be interested in and buy next month. I suggest simply spreading the word to everyone that no one should but that thing until they at least get their house in order and get the Galaxy S line up to the basic functionality they should have had out of the box. Spread the word that they apparently can't support the products they release and that nobody should touch those things until they can prove they are going to stand behind the products they want us to spend our hard earned money on.
Before some of you start flaming me, I do very well know this is a forum for people who mod their phones and have no intention of staying stock. I mod my phones too. Even with the fixes I've flashed I still have issues with GPS and the phone resetting. I appreciate everything the community has done to help make these phones better and I whole heartedly thank them for doing so, but at the same time there's a whole company with a division of people getting paid to do this that hasn't been able to supply us with one good fix after nearly 3 months time. It's time we should make every potential customer aware of that.

I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.

That's understandable, personally I could care less about being able to make calls on tablet. It's not like you would be able to take calls on both your cell phone and the tablet. And I sure wouldn't care for having another phone number.
I love my iPad btw!

masterotaku said:
I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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To be honest I am not surprised they are disabling the calling feature. In fact I would be surprised if they didn't.
I mean I for one wouldn't want to stop using my vibrant to use that giant tablet.
Also no matter what it will have wifi so it can be more like a laptop on the go and playing games on it will be awesome from the looks of it.

Well if they are just disabling the feature then that means the hardware to make calls is still built in so someone could root it and make calls anyway. But I'm still not getting one cause it'll be just like my phone. Tablets are a median of a phone and a notebook but nowadays the Ipad is the best out.
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Can't say I'm feeling pouty and petulant about Samsung in general, but I crossed four Tabs off my Xmas list when they announced the phone functionality was disabled.
As for the frequent comments about the Tab being too large to use as a phone, I use my phone as a speakerphone most of the time, and Bluetooth headsets put the final nail in the coffin for that argument.

I really doubt the S Tab will sell much anyway.
Smaller screen than the iPad, lower resolution, considerably worse battery life, for almost the same price....
Plus, given our experience with Samsung, it will probably not be upgraded to Gingerbread, which according to Google is the first version of Android actually meant for tablets.
Who in their right mind will buy the Tab?

What made me mad is they have more accessories slated for that thing than the very phones they already have out.
Docks, keyboards and all kinds of goodies. Oh yeah they all plug into the bottom of the Tab not the top like our retarded phones.

hurrpancakes said:
Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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Exactly!
Since it's functionally crippled compared to it's European counterpart I don't plan on carrying one around.
It's an interesting device, and will probably have a modicum of success, but the deliberate lockdown of an existing feature is one that makes me uninterested in it.
Given that it's carrier unsubsidized pricing internationally is likely going to make it more expensive than the iPad, if I were to develop an interest in an Android tablet/mid that didn't support phone functions, I'd just SPEND LESS MONEY on a comparable 7" tablet that doesn't have phone functions. There are several...

Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.

demo23019 said:
Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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I can make everything in an app support that higher res, and I font even consider myself a dev... More of a file mover.. But there are tutorials and some apps are already compatible...
Remember when donut and froyo came out not all apps were compatible.. Some apps dont work on donut now...
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.

DKYang said:
WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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Dude, you are drawn to these threads like a fly is to sh!t!
T-Mobile has its problems, but what about the rest of the companies carrying the Galaxy S? Have any released Froyo, or successful compass fixes?
No? Must be a worldwide carrier conspiracy to make Samsung look bad, by delaying fixes and OS upgrades.....
No, Samsung's track records with product support just sucks. That's why some are pissed.

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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?

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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Nice troll, since I don't believe you are actually as stupid as you're trying to get us to believe.
No, we're all pissed off about Samsung's crappy support. I bought a phone with a GPS built in. I can't use my GPS because it doesn't work.
A little fact which has been repeatedly explained to you. So either you choose to ignore it so you can troll more, or you have major issues with reading comprehension, take your pick.
And, as I said elsewhere, no one forced you to bring your fanboi self into this thread.

I'll hold out for MOTO or HTC
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That's great, let's organize a boycott of something that 99.9% of people have no plan to purchase in the first place. In other words, we're going to have to seek out people who want to buy the Tab and then dissuade them. Personally, I think I won't.

psshh, who is gonna buy that over sized phone anyway, too big for been a phone, too small for been a tablet

Self Destructive "Terminator" Korean Technology? Is that true?

This is my own perseption or opinion but you are not likely to find very lasting long surviving Korean items including Samsung. I belive that all Korean products will start developing issues after a certain time or a few certain years and you will be either forced to discard or throw away those items or buy a new one and I have strong doubts including Samsung. They somehow stuff a termination clock, a tickling timebomb somehow somwhere in thousanrds of electronics parts and specifically clock ICs which on a certain futute date will stop functioning or start develping issues or report technical problems after a while. This will be a top secret which will diffrentiate Korean/Chinese products from Japanese ones or in other words, blind quest to copy cat west or to somehow rob west of money? Or is this a business strategy almost not discussed anywhere by any comapny, a sort of 'open' business secret like Ebay keeps it's HQ in Switzerland despite being 100% US company to circumvate taxation laws.. but how many people have been cheated and lost money on those sites? Is this the reason why so many cheates are allowed on Ebay to rob people?
Somehing like HAL in A Spece Oddesy 2001? I have observed this many Korean products, all are copy cat concepts, never live to hype, never supported once out and aimed at getting more and more westerenrs hooked to Korean?

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you are paranoid

One of my friends said that a few years ago as well. Then again my old samsung sgh-e900 still works (exept its flat and i have lost the charger)
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mmbika said:
This is my own perseption or opinion but you are not likely to find very lasting long surviving Korean items including Samsung. I belive that all Korean products will start developing issues after a certain time or a few certain years and you will be either forced to discard or throw away those items or buy a new one and I have strong doubts including Samsung. They somehow stuff a termination clock, a tickling timebomb somehow somwhere in thousanrds of electronics parts and specifically clock ICs which on a certain futute date will stop functioning or start develping issues or report technical problems after a while. This will be a top secret which will diffrentiate Korean/Chinese products from Japanese ones or in other words, blind quest to copy cat west or to somehow rob west of money? Or is this a business strategy almost not discussed anywhere by any comapny, a sort of 'open' business secret like Ebay keeps it's HQ in Switzerland despite being 100% US company to circumvate taxation laws.. but how many people have been cheated and lost money on those sites? Is this the reason why so many cheates are allowed on Ebay to rob people?
Somehing like HAL in A Spece Oddesy 2001? I have observed this many Korean products, all are copy cat concepts, never live to hype, never supported once out and aimed at getting more and more westerenrs hooked to Korean?
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i would probably believe this if you changed the aformentioned items from china XD hehehehehe XD because if you bought china products you're like buying from a lottery it's either hit or miss XD hahahahahahaha XD

besides the sgt I had a Samsung mp3 player once. after a year of use it did look like 5 years old. since 1,5 years I have a ipod touch and it still is in good shape, though i've thrown it down about 30 times.
once my mum told me, she had read that there are extra engineers to ensure that a product breaks after a given time.
I don't really believed it, but who knows.
Half a century ago one bought a product and it simply lasted forever. now you buy something and you can be lucky if you have it for a few years.
maybe this is also caused by the always smaller getting parts they use in the devices? could imagine they always get smaller and also easier to break.
I wouldn't point to the Koreans or the Chinese or any country for making easy breakable devices.
it are the companies that engineer and produce the devices. they are the only ones to blame for bad engineering.
btw: Mercedes for example isn't that what it once was either. nowadays it simply doesn't pay out to manufacture devices that last forever.
its sad, but its true.

mmbika said:
Somehing like HAL in A Spece Oddesy 2001? I have observed this many Korean products, all are copy cat concepts, never live to hype, never supported once out and aimed at getting more and more westerenrs hooked to Korean?
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You are not paranoid, this is 100% true. But that timebomb is really random so batches of equipment wont show that they break down together. It is happening though.
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sedde said:
You are not paranoid, this is 100% true. But that timebomb is really random so batches of equipment wont show that they break down together. It is happening though.
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Sent from your Samsung Galaxy Tab lol

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This really does put this thread to an end
But back on topic;
A) I forgot which forum it was, this point was about this being in development, which I now realised it isn't. Invalid point.
B) Trolololol, this has made my day. Is there any truely documented evidence proving this or is it your own experience. All tehcnology will die at some point, so technically everything is a 'ticking timebomb'
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From "The Age" of Today, 31/March/2011 (posted from website)
"Samsung laptops shipping with secret spyware: report Ben Grubb
March 31, 2011 - 2:19PM
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Samsung laptop model R525. Photo: Supplied
Samsung is reportedly installing secret spyware software on its laptops that monitors and records users' activity - including their keystrokes - without their consent.
And the company, even after being given a week to respond to the allegation, has not done so. Separately, comment is being sought from Samsung Australia by Fairfax.
However, Samsung spokesman Jason Redmond told PC World that the company was looking into the allegations. "We take these claims very, very seriously," he was reported as saying.
IT publication Network Wold reported that Mohamed Hassan, founder of NetSec Consulting Corp, a firm that specialises in information security consulting services, detected the secret software on a laptop he purchased from Samsung in February.
Security expert Chester Wisniewski, of security firm Sophos, said in a blog post that what Samsung had allegedly done was "astonishing".
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Samsung laptop model R540. Photo: Supplied
"After the massive uproar that resulted when Sony installed rootkits on peoples computers when they listened to an audio CD, you would hope the world would realise this type of behaviour is totally unacceptable," he said.
When setting up the laptop (model R525), Mr Hassan decided to run a security program on it and run a full system scan before installing any of his own software, the report said. In doing so, it said he detected a secret program called “StarLogger” installed.
Typically known as spyware, the secret software installed on Mr Hassan’s computer is described by one website as being able to record “every keystroke made on your computer on every window, even on password protected boxes”. It goes on to say that the software is “completely undetectable and starts up whenever your computer starts up”.
After analysing the laptop, Mr Hassan came to the conclusion that the spyware must have been installed by Samsung, and so he removed it and carried on using it normally, the report said. But after some issues with the video display, he returned it and bought another model which had better features (model R540).
After doing the same security software scan on that laptop, the report said Mr Hassan again found the same secret software installed. This time he thought something was suss, and so raised the issue with Samsung.
After denying the presence of the software on its laptops, Samsung allegedly changed its story and referred Mr Hassan to Microsoft since “all Samsung did was to manufacture the hardware”.
But after the incident was escalated to a supervisor, Mr Hassan claims that they told him that they put the software on their laptops to "monitor the performance of the machine and to find out how it is being used”.
Network World said it contacted three public relations officers at Samsung for comment and gave them a week to send back their comments. “No one from the company replied,” it said.
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Could be true, but I seriously doubt it.
Samsung say here that:
Our findings indicate that the person mentioned in the article used a security program called VIPRE [antivirus software] that mistook a folder created by Microsoft Live Application for ... key logging software, during a virus scan."
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Poorly written article though - if it was true, and this rootkit was "completely undetectable", you wouldn't have been able to detect it in the first place!
Regards,
Dave

sedde said:
You are not paranoid, this is 100% true. But that timebomb is really random so batches of equipment wont show that they break down together. It is happening though.
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Proof? If it's 100% true, where's the proof???
Think about what you are saying though: if this were true, all Samsung would be doing is lowering the MTBF (mean time between failures) for their devices, which is measurable and would give them a reputation for being unreliable.
The simple facts of the matter are these:
1. Devices are getting more complex. The corollary of this is that there is more to go wrong.
2. Costs are being driven down, and this is usually at the expense of quality.
By way of example, the last CRT TV I bought was nearly 20 years ago and was an early Phillips 32" widescreen TV. It was an absolute marvel at the time, and cost almost £2000. I used that TV until around 2004, when I replaced it with an LCD TV (cost about £1000), and gave the old set away to a friend - it is still going strong to this day, whereas my LCD TV gave up the ghost a couple of years ago, and has since been replaced by a bigger, better LCD TV that cost less than £500. I fully expect that CRT set to still be going when I buy my next TV!
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If you get your keystrokes read thats your own damn fault for using the preinstalled OS. With all that bloatware on those things, I'm surprised this hasn't happened earlier. Or maybe it has and we haven't noticed?
on topic: The reason devices fail is because when they are designed, the engineers are given design requirements. If these include designing it for a lifespan of 2 years (a bit much for a phone), they are not going to use materials that would make it last longer, as that would be outside of specification (and probably add to the cost). However if you treat the product very carefully, it will survive longer, and if you are careless as you were with your MP3 player that looks battered up like its 5 years old, don't be surprised if it doesn't reach design requirement. It wasn't built for that.

Here's Samsung's riposte to the key logging scandal!
http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071
If this is true, it really speaks volumes about the quality of the "security consultant" who raised the alarm!
So much for "analysing the laptop"!
Regards,
Dave

NFC coming to the UK - Confirmed

http://www.mobot.net/samsung-confirms-nfcenabled-galaxy-ii-launching-uk-month-23138
Good news for those who have yet to order, bad news for those like me, who've already got this device
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Been confirmed on numerous sites now:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...ially-confirms-nfc-enabled-galaxy-s-ii-954965
http://www.t3.com/news/samsung-confirms-nfc-enabled-galaxy-s-ii?=56357

Ah, the perils of being an early adopter... bugs... and then finding your handset outdated within a month....

tameracingdriver said:
Ah, the perils of being an early adopter... bugs... and then finding your handset outdated within a month....
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Surely there must be price premium with this feature, otherwise it's going to upset alot of their customers, unless they offer a swap which I don't really see that happening

can somebody explain what the big thing is about NFC? Is it starting to get big in Europe? In Canada, I have yet to hear about a mass deployment of the technology, just a few select trials that were done 1-2 years ago.
Is the technology already deployed in Europe? I don't see it being big in Canada for at least another few years, especially considering very few smartphones support it right now. I have a SGSII in pre-order and I'm wondering if I'm really missing out on something with a device with no NFC chip.
thanks!

nox156 said:
can somebody explain what the big thing is about NFC? Is it starting to get big in Europe? In Canada, I have yet to hear about a mass deployment of the technology, just a few select trials that were done 1-2 years ago.
Is the technology already deployed in Europe? I don't see it being big in Canada for at least another few years, especially considering very few smartphones support it right now. I have a SGSII in pre-order and I'm wondering if I'm really missing out on something with a device with no NFC chip.
thanks!
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Well it would make it future-proof if it was implemented and make the device more valuable in future years

nox156 said:
can somebody explain what the big thing is about NFC? Is it starting to get big in Europe? In Canada, I have yet to hear about a mass deployment of the technology, just a few select trials that were done 1-2 years ago.
Is the technology already deployed in Europe? I don't see it being big in Canada for at least another few years, especially considering very few smartphones support it right now. I have a SGSII in pre-order and I'm wondering if I'm really missing out on something with a device with no NFC chip.
thanks!
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I have yet to see it deployed anywhere here in Norway and unless you intend to keep your phone for 2+ years I wouldn't worry about it tbh.

robot1000 said:
Surely there must be price premium with this feature, otherwise it's going to upset alot of their customers, unless they offer a swap which I don't really see that happening
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Wouldn't bet on there being a price premium, I don't think there will be. Since when have big companies cared that much about stuff like this? After the first SGS I said I wouldn't have another Samsung, yet here I am (and the 2nd one is giving me as much grief so far as the first! ).
NFC itself, I really don't see it taking off much in most of the UK at least in the forseeable future (can't speak for anywhere else).... maybe in the capital but not so much anywhere else, and definitely not where I live... so I'm not too worried.
For me though, as already stated, the main downside for us early adopters is that our early devices will be worth less than the later devices, this is surely not under debate, although 18+ months down the line, I very much doubt there will be a big difference in value... and your next phone will surely have the feature anyway, and it may even be starting to get going by then....

Yes, but if a NFC version supersedes the current one it'll probably run different software and then we will be left with a handset that no-one will write custom firmware for.

tameracingdriver said:
Wouldn't bet on there being a price premium, I don't think there will be. Since when have big companies cared that much about stuff like this? After the first SGS I said I wouldn't have another Samsung, yet here I am (and the 2nd one is giving me as much grief so far as the first! ).
NFC itself, I really don't see it taking off much in most of the UK at least in the forseeable future (can't speak for anywhere else).... maybe in the capital but not so much anywhere else, and definitely not where I live... so I'm not too worried.
For me though, as already stated, the main downside for us early adopters is that our early devices will be worth less than the later devices, this is surely not under debate, although 18+ months down the line, I very much doubt there will be a big difference in value... and your next phone will surely have the feature anyway, and it may even be starting to get going by then....
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It's only been out for less then a month and an updated handset is about to be released
I've contacted samsung for an explanation and if it's 100% confirmed then I shall be demanding an exchange

They have NFC in the Korean model and if I'm not mistaken it's a thicker phone. So there are tradeoffs...

my mind is boggled here trying to think of one rational reason why samsung would release a UK version, then another UK version with 1 extra chip added on. surely they would just make one UK version?!?!
i agree NFC is near useless, but it is a good measure to future proof the device. and seeing as the SGS2 seems to be somewhat of a "breakthrough" device, a lot of people hoped to ride this device for the long haul moreso than other devices since it steps up performacne specs so signficantly.

i quickly cancelled my order
i live in the Netherlands, but my gues is that Samsung will release the NFC enabled S2 also in Holland otherwise import from the UK

I don't think Samsung is obliged to offer anyone a swap.
It was clearly stated that the phone that the user is buying does not have an NFC chip, and that certain models will have it. If you bought the phone understanding these terms then I don't see why Samsung/any other retailer would have to do anything.
Anyway the point is obsolete as I am certain NFC is not going to be huge anytime soon.

sarsh11 said:
I don't think Samsung is obliged to offer anyone a swap.
It was clearly stated that the phone that the user is buying does not have an NFC chip, and that certain models will have it. If you bought the phone understanding these terms then I don't see why Samsung/any other retailer would have to do anything.
Anyway the point is obsolete as I am certain NFC is not going to be huge anytime soon.
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Yes, but those in the UK were specifically told that we weren't getting the NFC chip and now they have backtracked on that. I'm sure others like me would have held off buying (until the release if the updated version) if they would have made it clear from the outset
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sarsh11 said:
I don't think Samsung is obliged to offer anyone a swap.
It was clearly stated that the phone that the user is buying does not have an NFC chip, and that certain models will have it. If you bought the phone understanding these terms then I don't see why Samsung/any other retailer would have to do anything.
Anyway the point is obsolete as I am certain NFC is not going to be huge anytime soon.
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Not entirely true. Dial-a-phone (who is actually P4U) state in the phone description that the UK model does have NFC.
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Oh bugger!

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Ah, the perils of being an early adopter... bugs... and then finding your handset outdated within a month....
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true indeed, patience is a virtue! read this also: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13699240#post13699240 my last post

Part of what I was waiting for. Now to find a NFC 32.

Maybe some of us we can catch amazon in few weeks with this

Argh man! Now I don't know whether to get the phone now or wait until next month for the new version!??
Even though I probably won't even use NFC it'll still be nice to have the feature in case it ever becomes useful. Plus do I want to get a phone now that'll be old and out of date within a few weeks??
It is very strange that Samsung would make a move like this. Makes you think that they rushed to get the first batch out to beat other new phones to the market and as a result left bits out.

Opus One or Dell Streak gen 2

Is their a good site to follow Opus One updates on?
Do we know if the Opus One will support T-Mobile too or just ATT?
Has a new release date been set? Last I heard was May and we are now past that.
Thanks for your time and for looking!

Now it looks like Q1 - 2012:
http://tablet-news.com/2011/02/18/d...opus-one-silver-oak-sterling-models-included/

ameiurus said:
Now it looks like Q1 - 2012:
http://tablet-news.com/2011/02/18/d...opus-one-silver-oak-sterling-models-included/
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That is not anything new to report. That was posted months ago.

looking forward to this release.

Interesting is, that it have Honeycomb. So Honeycomb should be ok for 5 inch tablets. When I saw pictures DJ_Steve posted everything was looking so small...

Dell Opus One
It would have Android ICECREAM SANDWITCH 4 i guess !

ranjithkuzi said:
It would have Android ICECREAM SANDWITCH 4 i guess !
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Sooo, I guess Opus is officially deceased, expired, passed away, went to be with the cyberlord, crossed over, was "called home"?
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Should make ports to the gen. 1 Streka 5 easier, no?

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Should make ports to the gen. 1 Streka 5 easier, no?
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Does the current Streak Status in the United States mean we are officially cut off from any further upgrades or hopes of additional upgrades/new streaks while other countries will continue receiving such new updates, etc? GEE,THANKS DELL, for slapping us in the face right here on your own home turf

Rico ANDROID said:
Does the current Streak Status in the United States mean we are officially cut off from any further upgrades or hopes of additional upgrades/new streaks while other countries will continue receiving such new updates, etc? GEE,THANKS DELL, for slapping us in the face right here on your own home turf
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Do other countries receive such updates? I tend to doubt that. If a company won't do it for the US, they don't usually give a crap about anyone else in other countries either, sadly.

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Do other countries receive such updates? I tend to doubt that. If a company won't do it for the US, they don't usually give a crap about anyone else in other countries either, sadly.
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I guess that's why the Streak 10 has only been released in the US?
That is certainly a UScentric view. I'll think about while I watch the sun orbit the earth.

Perhaps the earth orbits him too
Thinking that the streak 5 will stop recieving support simply because it's discontinued in the US is plain up stupid.
It's still supported in the european markets and it was launched there BEFORE it launched in the US. If anything the US is was always the minor market and it was with the way dell launched it here and with At&t. Rogers up north wasnt that much better and was basically mirroring at&t with support.
Retail/unbranded streaks have ALWAYS recieved updates the fastest and most frequently and as retail it doesnt matter where it was purchased it will continue being able to run retail roms.
Excluding the retail streaks, the asian markets (japan and korea) recieve the greatest number of updates anyway, and that's where GB is most likely to land first if it doesnt land on retail first.

Hey Guys.....
I just read on Forbes' website that HP has officially discontinued ALL WebOS programs / devices..... according to the article, this specifically includes ALL tablets and smartphones.....
IMHO, Dell would be short-sighted now to discontinue future tablet & smartphone development...... But unfortunately I'm never invited to their shareholder meetings LOL
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All Dell phones in US are I believe EOL. I believe the current offering was just to test the waters. My best guess is give it a year or so and they will be back.. Companies are beginning to get it now...with the fall of webos, it is no big trick to come out with just another phone or tablet... it is now time for innovation and probably enterprise security to android.

Now I'm really pissed.... Just last night, I read on 3 "credible" websites that HP would begin offering their 16GB Touchpad at BestBuy & WalMart for $99 (32GB for $149).... I've been to 3 BestBuy stores today and they all told me their remaining TouchPad inventory was shipped back to HP..... I dare not go to a Walmart store and hear the same story for fear of having a meltdown right there at the service counter.... You know what, with these kind of shenanigans, HP deserves to fail!! .... .. There, I feel much better now
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I guess that's why the Streak 10 has only been released in the US?
That is certainly a UScentric view. I'll think about while I watch the sun orbit the earth.
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I don't live in the US, but I did for 37 years. I have noticed that mobile hardware makers do tend to be UScentric to an extent. I'm not saying it's categorically true in every instance.
Nokia's latest releases are the antithesis to this, for example.

marvin02 said:
I guess that's why the Streak 10 has only been released in the US?
That is certainly a UScentric view. I'll think about while I watch the sun orbit the earth.
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Marvin, what was Dell's recent release that was only overseas and not U.S.? I am confused in thinking it was the streak 10. But I was totally mistaken..wow.

He's being sarcastic,
the s10 currently has no release schedule in the US or anywhere but china right now (which has been out in china for a couple weeks now)

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Perhaps the earth orbits him too
Thinking that the streak 5 will stop recieving support simply because it's discontinued in the US is plain up stupid.
It's still supported in the european markets and it was launched there BEFORE it launched in the US. If anything the US is was always the minor market and it was with the way dell launched it here and with At&t. Rogers up north wasnt that much better and was basically mirroring at&t with support.
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The US launch and lack of advertisment is a very sore spot. Maybe that is why they gave up on the US. Since Dell chose to make the US second fiddle our press paned the device. It was not released on time and was released with what the US press considered outdated software.
In a country that likes to be first in everything of course that will generate some poor feelings. Plus, Apple is strongest here. If you can do it to Apple's level (advertisement, product delivery, innovation) then you might as well pack up and go home, unless it's cheap and the Streak 5 was not cheep.
I think the US just was to hard for them to support.
My hope is that the next Gen Streak will be released here first with full disclosure and advertisement. I think the Streak 5 would have done very well if it had been fully supported here in the states. People are still asking me what it is and where they can get one. Now I have to sadly tell them they can't.

I've cut ties with Dell until they can show drastic signs of taking their devices seriously. I picked up an Atrix the other day when they were free at best buy (I told my wife-to-be to use her upgrade on it, she said she was fine with her current phone but I could have it...what a catch!), and it's amazing how much more refined of a device it is (excluding motoblur, but I never booted into the stock rom so I didn't have to deal with that). I will always miss the 5" screen though. Luckily Samsung is starting to make bigger and bigger screens on their phones.
The only thing that saved the Streak was the great communities on xda, modaco, and pocketables...Dell, sadly, shot themselves in the foot with how they handled the streak and I am done with them.

New Kickstarter The Rock watch

I dont know much about this watch but the price is perfect and on the surface it looks promising Check it out.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/253126792/rocktm-first-qi-wifi-lifestyle-smartwatch-wireless.
I dont know anything about the product itself other than the price from the site, Im just passing on what i found.

Sounds an awful lot like Pebble. I wonder why.
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Whenever I read that someone announces a smartwatch and then only wants $50k, I find it really suspicious.
So what _other_ smartwatch is this based on?
Omate TS = Pearl aw-414.go = some random Umeox watch (Original Manufacturer)
EC309 = ZKind SWP02 = GOOphone smartwatch (Original Manufacturer)
It could be this one:
Rock:
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"unnamed china smartwatch"
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...oming-call-alert-E-mail/915036_943969691.html
Interestingly, all those "Shenzhen Smartwatches" have exact the same screen, a 1.54" 240x240 panel.
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Found it:
http://www.uplaytablet.com/product/...creen-bluetooth-4-0-gravity-sensor-and-gyro/#
Seriously, it did not take more than 15mins to find that the "the rock watch" is bogus.

Whats this? i smell something cooking...o.o
Maybe this watch is cooking up to be a scam?
Can't be certain just yet though. Not until I see The Rock on the wrist of The Rock. Only then would i be certain.

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Whats this? i smell something cooking...o.o
Maybe this watch is cooking up to be a scam?
Can't be certain just yet though. Not until I see The Rock on the wrist of The Rock. Only then would i be certain.
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The Kickstarter is basicaly just a preorder. Their claims that they are engineering this watch are false and they are lying. People will get their watches though, but why back a fake Kickstarter campaign if you can just buy the watch outright?
Same goes for the Omate TS, which is only a rebranded Umeox (I bought one as Simvalley AW-414.go)
I wish I could post the picture of this watch in the Kickstarter comments, but only backers can do that. Anyway, I have reported the campaign to Kickstarter as fraud.
Funny thing, the manufacturer states on the website:
Hi. I am running a Indiegog/Kickstarter promotion and would like to give away a Custom Smartwatch with my company's logo as the wallpaper with some apps. How much is the cheapest watch, how many would I have to order and when will they DEFINITELY be available?
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If you are talking about wall paper and pre-installed apps, you have to go with Android 4.0 watches. Then Z3 is the cheapest one. MOQ is 100 with customization. They will available in December. Please email us at info at uplaytablet dot com to get the price quote.
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skyworxx said:
The Kickstarter is basicaly just a preorder. There claims that they are engineering this watch are false and they are lying. People will get thei watches though, but why back a fake Kickstarter campaign if you can just buy the watch outright?
Same goes for the Omate TS, which is only a rebranded Umeox (I bought one as Simvalley AW-414.go)
I wish I could post the picture of this watch in the Kickstarter comments, but only backers can do that. Anyway, I have reported the campaign to Kickstarter as fraud.
Funny thing, the manufacturer states on the website:
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AND this is why i love xda thanks to everyone with the quick investigation tactics. I will wait till the google or moto comes out in January

also funny is this part of the title: "Perfect Xmas Gift""
"Estimated delivery: Mar 2014"
so that's Xmas next year?
looks way too thick anyway

It gets even better.
So I asked the person on Kickstarter about the watch and why he claims to manufacture the watch, even when the watch is clearly a finished product. I got a reply, which I do not want to publish publicly in whole. But basically it goes like this:
First, he told me what stuff he already invented.
[...]I love to invent and develop products. I am also the inventor of the software for the router industry. You know how you pop a CD into a router? The software launches and installs your home network automatically? I developed that in 2001. I took a simple problem of getting online with a router where you have to type in 192.168.1.1 url, select connection type to connect. I engineered the automation of that.[...]
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This was the very first thing he stated in his reply to my question regarding the Z3 Smartwatch and if the rock watch is a copy.
Then, he basically says, that they are using OEM hardware and just put their software on it
[...]The entire industry is about finding the best path to create market share. That can mean Internationally or Domestically for the U.S. What we've done is worked with an OEM hardware and because Android is open source, we forked the software. For example, HTC, LG, Samsung. They don't have their own operating system. They're using Google's. Just like Nokia can't compete on the OS, so they partnered with Microsoft.[...]
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So, he is just stating the obvious. They are using the Z3 and put their own launcher on it. There is no manufacturing going on, and especially images like this from their Kickstarter campaign are false advertising. They do not manufacture the watch.
Then, he basically tells me about Samsung and Apple, patents and sueing and so on, nothing that answers my original question. He then offers to refer me to their patent lawyer (probabaly afraid that tI will sue them because he thinks I am a representetive of the manufacturer and I am asking why they are claiming they made the watch).
[...]As a business we want to protect our technology. I can also refer to you our patent lawyer as well. We want to be smart about this and the value is in the patents.[...]
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In a second email sent through Kickstarter, he asked me if I am a representative of the Z3 company, also offering me to discuss the matter further.
So whatever "the rock" really is, they only seem to bundle an existing OEM watch (which I am even not sure the manufacturer knows about it) with some of their software (taken from the very first statement, he seems to be a programmer not a hardware engineer). Estimated delivery is March 2014, while the watch can be ordered right now on the manufacturer website.
The only difference is, that they seem to add a QI charging (this means buying those watches in bulk and fitting them with a QI coil _or_ rely on the hope/promise that the manufacturer adds QI charging). Oh, and obviously they fit a new strap .

it's been suspended, 2 days ago, no surprise there

I actually reported the project to Kickstarter the day I found out, but it probably got suspended because many backers found out about the uPlay watch and contacted Kickstarter as well.
Maybe people will wise up and stop backing these scam smartwatch campaigns and support legitimate projects like Pebble was. Neptune Pime looks good to.

Haha,The Rock has been stopped dead in it's tracks. Wait...Rocks move?
Haha I got one more. Looks like The Rock was....dropped. :|
Ok, I stop with my terrible puns.