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Ok... What are all of you doing for your battery life? I just watched that video from the guy who showed the SetCPU and stuff and don't believe his battery is that good. My phone has been off the charger for 20 minutes and Klaxon was running and it is down 5% already AND I have the 1600 mAh Seidio battery. It just isn't possible. Android is a battery hog. I've messed with SetCPU and noticed nothing different. I have the sleep profile set to like 245/3xx and I messed with the advanced settings. What do you guys have your advanced settings at? I have the screen brightness on auto and I don't use twitter/facebook/news. The only data all day is my Touchdown e-mail and weather updates as far as automatic goes. Can someone please shed some darn light here? For the whole day at work I have full 3G and Bluetooth is on, but no WiFi. Any help, PLEASE?
Do you get good reception at work? Bad reception wastes battery life.
Have you tried running the phone down to a low 5-10%, wiped battery stats in amon's recovery, powered off, and given a full charge to help reset it? This can help.
You dont have that notification in succession stuff going that keeps you in a wake lock state right?
Seconding the recommendation to wipe the battery stats.
How do I change notification in succession? I'm on the latest Cyanogen which I believe included that. Also, how do I install the UV .33 Kernel - will that help? And where is the amon's recovery to wipe stats?
Thanks for all of the help!
EDIT: From Modaco's kitchen, I did Cyanogen - so is that the kernel I want. And nvm, I do know where the wipe battery stats is. Brain fart. So I should leave it charing while off?
Check this out - are we sure Klaxon isn't doing any damage? Or is there anything else of concern here.
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Check this out - are we sure Klaxon isn't doing any damage? Or is there anything else of concern here.
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it could be ..
I got the two extra batteries and external charger for $20 bucks from China off ebay. They work phenomenally. I haven't ruled out the possibility that they are giving me some kind of terminal illness though.
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I got the two extra batteries and external charger for $20 bucks from China off ebay. They work phenomenally. I haven't ruled out the possibility that they are giving me some kind of terminal illness though.
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What was the benefit of the external charger, battery last longer? if so much better than before?
welp. When the current battery cruds out, I pop a fresh one in, and then the empty one goes into the external charger.
I got the extra batteries originally for long trips etc, but this current system seems to be working fantastic.
smot13 said:
welp. When the current battery cruds out, I pop a fresh one in, and then the empty one goes into the external charger.
I got the extra batteries originally for long trips etc, but this current system seems to be working fantastic.
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Man what do you recommend to make your battery last LONG..
After I installed setcpu, my phone is getting an additional 1/2 day of life...so something must be eating your battery!
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After I installed setcpu, my phone is getting an additional 1/2 day of life...so something must be eating your battery!
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yea the stock rom ..I just got my second battery from HTC so lets see how this one does. Just waiting for it to finish charging.
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Ok... What are all of you doing for your battery life? I just watched that video from the guy who showed the SetCPU and stuff and don't believe his battery is that good. My phone has been off the charger for 20 minutes and Klaxon was running and it is down 5% already AND I have the 1600 mAh Seidio battery. It just isn't possible. Android is a battery hog. I've messed with SetCPU and noticed nothing different. I have the sleep profile set to like 245/3xx and I messed with the advanced settings. What do you guys have your advanced settings at? I have the screen brightness on auto and I don't use twitter/facebook/news. The only data all day is my Touchdown e-mail and weather updates as far as automatic goes. Can someone please shed some darn light here? For the whole day at work I have full 3G and Bluetooth is on, but no WiFi. Any help, PLEASE?
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Have you tried reflashing to a different rom or factory reset by chance?
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Have you tried reflashing to a different rom or factory reset by chance?
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All of the above. I've been on MCR, Desire and now CM. I've just installed the .7 kernel and am reverting to the stock battery to see how that does. More to come.
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All of the above. I've been on MCR, Desire and now CM. I've just installed the .7 kernel and am reverting to the stock battery to see how that does. More to come.
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So its not the roms..could be your battery, but just to be clear, how many batteries do you have?
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So its not the roms..could be your battery, but just to be clear, how many batteries do you have?
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2 - one Seidio 1600 and one stock 1400. I just threw the stock one in and will wipe Battery Stats as soon as it hits 100% and then see how it goes tomorrow. Should I be using SetCPU or no since I am on the .7 Kernel?
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2 - one Seidio 1600 and one stock 1400. I just threw the stock one in and will wipe Battery Stats as soon as it hits 100% and then see how it goes tomorrow. Should I be using SetCPU or no since I am on the .7 Kernel?
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I never rooted so couldn't recommend what to do. But if you know its not tested then don't. Use a supported kernal always to minimize your problems and headaches..
I haven't rooted yet. I did the turn off notifications thing and get a sms program from the market thing. worked wonders.
setCPU profile to screen off max power is 245, UV kernel, I get around 50 hours use.
Everyone seems to be asking for sbc for the upcoming sense kernels. I haven't been in a while..the last time I was looking at kernels it sounded like the general consensus on xda was that sbc was unfavorable and could even be dangerous to the phone. What happened?
Nobody could really substantiate the fear-mongering (for lack of a better term) and people just sort of accepted that SBC wasn't going to cause your phone to explode. It does give a pretty nice battery boost, so people went with it.
Way more people like it now
Deck's + SZ + SuperCharger script + ViperMod script.
Cause there is a major flaw in our phone where when u charge it and it hits a full charge the battery stops running off the phone charger but off the phones battery yeah i know crazy so when u take it off the charger it is already at %90 instead of a full charge
Luv SBC but alittle afraid to plug my phone in at night to charge! Is it safe to let it charge over night?
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Luv SBC but alittle afraid to plug my phone in at night to charge! Is it safe to let it charge over night?
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Its %100 safe for me but as u know each phone is different
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Its %100 safe for me but as u know each phone is different
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Thanks...just don't wont my phone to explode...lol
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Luv SBC but alittle afraid to plug my phone in at night to charge! Is it safe to let it charge over night?
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My phone is on the charger as much as it's off, since I'm usually keeping it connect via USB so I can get into the SD card at will, and it charges all night.
No probs.
Don't believe the scary hype about SBC Kernels....
It was pretty much a witch hunt. Some guy made a thread about his battery burning up, posted some half ass pictures and let the masses run with it. I used sbc with froyo with zero problems, always charged overnight and no issues.
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I wanted to prove that SBC causes no harm to the battery. 9 months later my battery is still rocking. 12 hours off the charger and at 86% with SBC. You must be reading some old threads thinking that SBC will do something crazy.
I dont use sbc because of stories people have told about melting batteries.....I might try it if there's a post just about sbc and why its safe that I can read
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I dont use sbc because of stories people have told about melting batteries.....I might try it if there's a post just about sbc and why its safe that I can read
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Here is a post from the guy who created this mod and why he thinks it is safe.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10085717&postcount=127
First and foremost, we can't charge the battery to "max capacity" anyways. Those people aren't looking at the picture correctly. How are we gonna charge it to max capacity if the phone is on? I say it's charging to max capacity because the charging gets it close there, but as long as the phones are on there is no way on earth you can actually do that because the phone uses power while on the charger. That's why its so easy to charge from 0-90% but takes a while to charge from 90-100%. Once you get to 90% the current going into the phone is about 200mA but the phone is using ~100mA and thats if its just idle. Now with this charging, the mA decreases overtime, so the ending mA should be a bunch of +0mA. At that point, the charger itself is powering the phone but the battery is still losing power, so trickle charging begins there to maintain the battery voltage but the power for trickle charging is only +2mA. So charging to max capacity is tough, we can get it close (about 4.18V) but actually getting to 4.2V is pretty tough when the phone is on.
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I use sbc kernels exclusively and have not experienced any issues, even when charging overnight. I'm a battery life freak and want to extract every mA I can out of the battery.
Four months using sbc and my batteries are in great condition.
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That's good to hear...never was one to believe that it caused "battery explosion" but i was unaware that it gave that much of a battery boost. Sweet
SBC Rumors are false... SBC FTW!
The "problem" with SBC was two fold:
A) Several random people claimed significant damage occurred and a lot of people didn't see the connection, although the claims were right after the initial public release of SBC
B) A group of people, including some engineers, asked for a "disclaimer message" [something that we even have when rooting] for SBC modified kernels and yet the developer refused for the longest time
Are SBC kernels going to make your battery explode and house burn down? Probably not.
Could they significantly reduce the lifespan of your battery? Possibly. There's engineers that believe it.
Should they come with their own disclaimer like every ROM/Kernel/Root method/Modification etc on XDA? Certainly.
evo 3d charges to 4.35v.
evo 4g charges to 4.2v
same battery technology.
in almost a year of sbc kernels (intentional consistent usage) I haven't killed any batteries be it explosion or shortened life.
your safe
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Cause there is a major flaw in our phone where when u charge it and it hits a full charge the battery stops running off the phone charger but off the phones battery yeah i know crazy so when u take it off the charger it is already at %90 instead of a full charge
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It's not a flaw, it's by design. I'll let you do the research on it, but pretty much every thread about why SBC is either good or bad that includes any technical details will lay out why the phone doesn't trickle charge.
Whether that design is worth the loss of battery life is the debate.
I have used SBC kernels since the very day it was released and I have never had an issue. I leave it charging overnight and I haven't really noticed a drop in battery performance so I don't really see a reason not to use it.
I am running MikG V 3.11 and the Anthrax Kernel.
I charge my phone using boot manager to boot to a Froyo ROM with netarchy SBC kernel.
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As you can see, with the Seidio 3500 battery, I get 36 hours on a charge. It takes sometimes 8 hours or so for the battery to reach absolute full charge. Meaning when plugged in to wall charger, thw mA input is 0 on battery monitor widget.
Been doing this for months now and show no decrease in Battery life.
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the 2 spikes are not charges, that is when I did a reboot. I was having trouble getting an app to close completely, so I rebooted the phone to see if I could get it to shut off that way and it worked.
It also does not show that I played Solitare for 5 hours, and spades for 4 hours on there. Not sure why. I was in waiting rooms a few times yesterday and had lots of just sitting time to blow.
im gunna get a siedeo soon, this just got me more excited =] as long as my battery last me all day ill be very happy
Well, the battery will last all day for sure, but if you dont charge with sbc it will never ever charge past 70% capacity no matter what you try.
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Well, the battery will last all day for sure, but if you dont charge with sbc it will never ever charge past 70% capacity no matter what you try.
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More lionfish is sbc, right?
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I think that there are sbc kernels for the asop roms. I am a sense man.
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There is no current Sense gingerbread kernel with SBC. Apparently there are issues with it (not sure, I try not to compile kernels).
OP> I'f your swapping ROM's every day after charging the battery, why not use an AOSP rom with a current SBC kernel? Just curious, because if something comes up where you need the phone asap and don't have a chance to reboot it back to the gingerbread rom, you may run into problems with the radios being built for gingerbread but the rom running froyo.
jroller > no, the lionfish line is not SBC. the more is just the amount of under-volting involved.
To boot between the two really isn't a big issue and while you are booted to the Froyo rom your phone will still be able to make/recieve calls, texts, emails and everything else you might like if it's set up.
The OP probably prefers a Sense Rom so that's why they are not using an AOSP rom i would venture to guess.
Naters
I use Boot Manager to change between ROMs, it only takes the same amount of time to switch as it does to reboot the same ROM.
Boot Manager is a really cool app once you get the ROMs set up correctly.
And I dont like any ASOP ROMs at all. I tried them, just not for me.
Just get a external battery wall charger, just pop the battery in and it will be done in a few hours. Cheap on ebay.
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There is no current Sense gingerbread kernel with SBC. Apparently there are issues with it (not sure, I try not to compile kernels).
OP> I'f your swapping ROM's every day after charging the battery, why not use an AOSP rom with a current SBC kernel? Just curious, because if something comes up where you need the phone asap and don't have a chance to reboot it back to the gingerbread rom, you may run into problems with the radios being built for gingerbread but the rom running froyo.
jroller > no, the lionfish line is not SBC. the more is just the amount of under-volting involved.
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There is sense gingerbread sbc kernel. It's by Calne and the name is underworld. Look in the same section as this thread.
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I have two batteries my stock battery is bad!!!
Hopefully the EVO LTE will have good battery life
My battery stats and consumption have been pretty good and whatnot but I just realized it's off and sometimes doesn't count down consistently. But then it will catch up real quick. I am assuming the battery chip/driver are able to measure amps and not guesstimate voltage because of this behavior. I charged battery all the way up, unplugged, turned power off, plug back in til full and started up again but the behavior is still erratic. I am pretty sure I am getting somewhat accurate readings, it is just doing so in an erratic method. Ideas or references I missed? Anybody else notice?
As a side note I thought I was losing 1-2% per 6-8hours of standby but I realized there is a bug or the battery driver doesn't read correctly in standby. Anybody notice this too?
I voided my warranty.
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battery.
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The battery reporting is definitely inconsistent on this device. I've tried pinging it via terminal emulator to "force" it to re-poll voltage and capacity, with no luck, it doesn't update it to where I know it should be. Not sure if anyone has dissected this battery yet, many Li-Po's have an internal chip, not sure about this one.
I am quite sure it has a chip. Trying to confirm if it has a chip that measures amperage. I am guessing driver is bad or bugs.
I voided my warranty.
One thing I've noticed is that it seems to poll correctly if I charge to full and don't reboot at all. As soon as I reboot it starts flatlining after that point.
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Here's my best example yet. Upon plugging in it's quickly gone from 15 to 25...err....29% however. If I charge to 100% and don't reboot after that it doesn't drift. Something breaks the phones ability to read voltage/capacity for some reason upon rebooting. Stock or not stock, same behaviour. A few reboots in there, a couple where the % went UP.
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What is the problem can any one point out why I am getting do less battery is it because of atooma or acuupedo
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There is no battery calibration method that is anything more than a placebo. Just flash your ROMs at 100% and don't charge your phone 5 times a day. Let it drain and fully recharge once in awhile. Past that, there isn't much to be done.
Edit: Franco mentioned in his kernel thread that the battery reporting seems a little wonky. He is hoping it is addressed in 4.2.2.
Charge your phone fully while it is off to 100 then do a battery star wipe. Let drain till around 5 to 10 from regular use and then charge all the way up.
And remember that batt wipes do nothing more than have your rom read the battery more accurately, it had nothing to do with giving it better battery life. You are gonna want to flash a more efficient kernel or rom to achieve that.
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There is no battery calibration method that is anything more than a placebo. Just flash your ROMs at 100% and don't charge your phone 5 times a day. Let it drain and fully recharge once in awhile. Past that, there isn't much to be done.
Edit: Franco mentioned in his kernel thread that the battery reporting seems a little wonky. He is hoping it is addressed in 4.2.2.
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Hard to find info about the li-po battery, especially the one in this phone. I wouldn't rule out poorly designed circuitry at this point either. Love the phone, question build quality.
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Charge your phone fully while it is off to 100 then do a battery star wipe. Let drain till around 5 to 10 from regular use and then charge all the way up.
And remember that batt wipes do nothing more than have your rom read the battery more accurately, it had nothing to do with giving it better battery life. You are gonna want to flash a more efficient kernel or rom to achieve that.
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Wiping battery stats does nothing more than reset the current charge cycle's percent usage by app/process. That's it, it won't increase the accuracy of capacity reporting.
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Wiping battery stats does nothing more than reset the current charge cycle's percent usage by app/process. That's it, it won't increase the accuracy of capacity reporting.
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This is spot on. I tried to make that point earlier with my placebo comment, but some people are slow to catch on. Thanks for spelling it out.
OK, so I'm at work today, and a bit bored. As today we expect lots of rain in NYC, and I don't expect any customers. So, I have a little "game" we can play here on XDA. Well, not really a game since it can take a while. But, let's see how you're device does. The rules of this game are very simple. Let's see how long your device will go before dropping a single percentage fromm 100% to 99%. And with your data/phone signal turned on, since it'll last an even longer time with it off. I'll start it off, mine is everything enabled(just no use at all), right before it dropped to 99%..
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Can we force doze?
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I get .2% drop per hour everything on no use.
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you can change how fast it starts, and other doze settings.. I didn't change anything in doze though.
How did you time this to show this info at 99 ?
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How did you time this to show this info at 99 ?
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the old fashioned way, turning on the screen for a quick look. after a while, I stopped looking after an hour and 15 min, since it always made it that far, and started looking at it closer to one hour 30 minutes.
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the old fashioned way, turning on the screen for a quick look. after a while, I stopped looking after an hour and 15 min, since it always made it that far, and started looking at it closer to one hour 30 minutes.
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What's your set up ? I've tried a lot of different kernels and settings, but IMO, hellscore kernel flashed stock with no additional modifications delivers insane battery life compared to anything I've used. Toss in kernel auditor, undervolt and mess around with some settings and it goes even further.
Instead of a 1 min battery life, we should make a thread of who has the longest SOT off total battery or something.
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What's your set up ? I've tried a lot of different kernels and settings, but IMO, hellscore kernel flashed stock with no additional modifications delivers insane battery life compared to anything I've used. Toss in kernel auditor, undervolt and mess around with some settings and it goes even further.
Instead of a 1 min battery life, we should make a thread of who has the longest SOT off total battery or something.
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Pure Nexus, with Despair kernel, but none of their setups. Setup is my own, from Trinity kernel of past.. ondemand/deadline with ondemand set up with a 15000 sampling rate and a 98% up threshold. Runs and performs better this way
I never ever undervolt, but do overvolt on occasion.
And overall sot, na. I actually kinda do agree with you, but its way too easy to cheat sot.
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Pure Nexus, with Despair kernel, but none of their setups. Setup is my own, from Trinity kernel of past.. ondemand/deadline with ondemand set up with a 15000 sampling rate and a 98% up threshold. Runs and performs better this way
I never ever undervolt, but do overvolt on occasion.
And overall sot, na. I actually kinda do agree with you, but its way too easy to cheat sot.
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Did you used to go by another name in TeamWhiskey days? Been a long time since project Manhattan i think it was called
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Did you used to go by another name in TeamWhiskey days? Been a long time since project Manhattan i think it was called
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no.. your thinking of Morfic. he's the creator of Trinity kernel, I just did all the testing. he was close to TeamWhiskey, I learned of them later on.
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no.. your thinking of Morfic. he's the creator of Trinity kernel, I just did all the testing. he was close to TeamWhiskey, I learned of them later on.
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Yeah that who I was thinking of I haven't seen anything from him in a while now, not really followed since nexus s days.
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Yeah that who I was thinking of I haven't seen anything from him in a while now, not really followed since nexus s days.
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he's doing alright, taking care of his family, working.. with a nexus6p
I recall there are tricks to get a little extra in the tank at 100%. Like charge to 100%, drain 1% and charge again several times.
I don't really know if the resulting difference in charge shows between 100 or 99 or spread out some other manner.
I'm not accusing you of anything, just wondering if 100% is the best starting point for the experiment.
Then again, starting at a different point brings it's own challenges in starting and rrecording the experirment.
Obviously best estimate comes from a longer period in standby,.
On the third hand, as the title suggests, it's not strictly an experiment, also a game.... and this one is quick and interesting.
At any rate, I'm sure you have very lean standby power use, better than me.
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I recall there are tricks to get a little extra in the tank at 100%. Like charge to 100%, drain 1% and charge again several times.
I don't really know if the resulting difference in charge shows between 100 or 99 or spread out some other manner.
I'm not accusing you of anything, just wondering if 100% is the best starting point for the experiment.
Then again, starting at a different point brings it's own challenges in starting and rrecording the experirment.
Obviously best estimate comes from a longer period in standby,.
On the third hand, as the title suggests, it's not strictly an experiment, also a game.... and this one is quick and interesting.
At any rate, I'm sure you have very lean standby power use, better than me.
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I actually charge until there are 0mA coming in(CurrentWidget). that's when I consider 100% charged. normally, when the phone shows 100%, there is still up to 400mA still entering the device. now I'm starting to give up some of my secrets :silly:
This really isn't a good way to judge battery life. Once a phone reaches 100% the charging stops and the battery discharges some before the device starts charging again. During this time the battery will report 100% but may be slightly below that. This is why sometimes you take a phone off the charger and it drops from 100% to like 97% almost instantly.
Looking back its kinda funny that older phones only read battety in 10% increments. How did we ever survive.
[Edit: I see this was addressed the same time I posted.]
Do I win? I bet no one else got above 3000% and below 0%
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Do I win? I bet no one else got above 3000% and below 0%
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lol! but no. by looking at the graph, it looks like its constantly getting charged as well