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2.2 froyo question

Hey guys, just curious since I havent gotten a chance to use a rooted phone yet.
-When google comes out with 2.2 froyo update, are we able to update it from a rooted rom or does it have to be under stock condition?

+1. will be going from cyan to stock again when froyo comes out. but how?

You'd probably have to wait until someone post the stock rom of froyo, and then flash that.

Or flash on of the numerous stock ROMs that already exist, and get OTA like the rest of us.

Or wait for cyan for his release which I believe will be soon after the official release.

You will have to wait until either someone posts a stock 2.2 ROM that world with rooted phones or someone like cyanogen updates.
Once a different recovery is installed on the phone, the OTA system will never work again. Not even if you go back to stock.

This is a complete non issue. The stock 2.2 rom may very well be available to flash here before you recieve the ota if its a rolling release. If not it will be a close race. BTW, The ota looks for a stock officially signed recovery to install itself with, if you do not have one the ota will fail.

jamesyb0i said:
+1. will be going from cyan to stock again when froyo comes out. but how?
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Just out of interest (I am not making any judgements), why do you want to go from CM to stock as opposed to a CM modded version of 2.2?
Or are you just assuming 2.2 will drop before CM has time to mod it so want to get on it asap?

ill just wait for cyano to release its froyo version...

I'd be willing to bet that the features present in 2.2 will reach a version of CM before they reach any non-rooted N1. I'm just saying... we already have some of the features currently, i.e. customizable trackball notifications.

that really just depends on when google pushes the sources of 2.2 into AOSP. so chances are that a stock 2.2 will be available sooner than a cyanogen 2.2, but it will be worth the wait

3Shirts said:
Just out of interest (I am not making any judgements), why do you want to go from CM to stock as opposed to a CM modded version of 2.2?
Or are you just assuming 2.2 will drop before CM has time to mod it so want to get on it asap?
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cos my battery life is absolutely shocking now, and things like stock weather program isn't working, cyan just watches LOST season 3 wtf lol

jamesyb0i said:
cos my battery life is absolutely shocking now, and things like stock weather program isn't working, cyan just watches LOST season 3 wtf lol
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well obviously you're not paying cyanogen enough to address it

walie said:
well obviously you're not paying cyanogen enough to address it
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bazinga!!!

he tasks me, he tasks me.
but naw switched to enom's for now, miss trackball unlock but allgud/ battery heaps better

PrawnPoBoy said:
You will have to wait until either someone posts a stock 2.2 ROM that world with rooted phones or someone like cyanogen updates.
Once a different recovery is installed on the phone, the OTA system will never work again. Not even if you go back to stock.
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That's not true. I did a warranty replacement a while back and restored the phone to stock before sending it back. I used the SAPPIMG.zip method to restore the shipping ROM, recovery, and radio. After rebooting and setting up the phone, I was offered the OTA update and the OTA completed successfully. Being bootloader unlocked did not affect my ability to get OTA updates.

A little confusion here it seems and I will throw out my understanding. An ota will work if it does not have to access an officially signed recovery, if it does and does not find one it will fail. Once you have installed a custom recovery going back to the stock one will not help in this regard because it is no longer officially signed. 2.2 will require an officially signed recovery to install and everything I read says it will be seen, it will download, then it will fail to install. If this is incorrect than I look forward to learning more about this question as it keeps popping up over and over. I have yet to hear from any owner who was able to update from 2.0 to 2.1 after having installed a custom recovery, seems like there would have been many....

[Q] Ultra-n00b: what ROM or firmware do I need?

Hi, all.
First timer here. Got the wife a Hero for X-mas. Notice it's slow sometimes, so thought I'd upgrade. It's on 1.5 now. I ultimately want to get on Android 2.1. However, in the phone settings info screen, there is no update option. I thought this might be due to the firmware not being up-to-date so was going to start by upgrading that. But I don't know which ROM to use.
I bought the unlocked phone in Switzerland, but it was clearly imported from the UK. I see on the HTC site there are several ROMs which are carrier specific. There seems to be a generic ROM on the bottom of the HTC page which says "ROM Upgrade for HTC Hero" with no specific carrier. This one looks to be the generic ROM, which I should use. Is that the case?
I've tried looking for a general tutorial, but they all also seem to be tied to carriers (Sprint, T-Mobile, etc).
Cheers.

Hi Bozo,
firstly do not be tempted to update your firmware to the latest one on the HTC web site, if you do that and also update to the HTC 2.1 ROM, you will not be able to ROOT your Hero without firstly downgrading again.
ROOTing your Hero will allow you to go beyond 2.1 to 2.2 ROMs, these are mostly in development at the moment but I've tried several so far and have settled on Android Version Froyd Villain1.6 (2.2.1) which has been great for several weeks with no crashes and plenty quick.
Hope this helps!
There are plenty of web guides on how to ROOT your Hero also Youtube videos.

CobraKev007 said:
Hi Bozo,
if you do that and also update to the HTC 2.1 ROM, you will not be able to ROOT your Hero without firstly downgrading again..
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There are plenty of web guides on how to ROOT your Hero also Youtube videos.
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Thanks for the reply. Is it the firmware that prevents rooting, the ROM, or both?
I've seen several of the videos on rooting. But again, they often reference a specific carrier model Hero, mostly Sprint.

I'd check out this post. Ignore the stuff about updating RADIO though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=827593
Personally I use Cyanogen 6.1.0 with FlyKernel 12a (applying the FlyKernel CM fix first). Then custom tweaking the Cyanogen setup. If you were UK I'd offer to do it for you

takuhii said:
Ignore the stuff about updating RADIO though.
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Another noob question for you.
Why ignore the radio update?

Betty_Swallocks said:
Another noob question for you.
Why ignore the radio update?
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I can't think of any reason to ignore the radio update, it's made a big difference for a lot of people.

CobraKev007 said:
Hi Bozo,
firstly do not be tempted to update your firmware to the latest one on the HTC web site, if you do that and also update to the HTC 2.1 ROM, you will not be able to ROOT your Hero without firstly downgrading again.
ROOTing your Hero will allow you to go beyond 2.1 to 2.2 ROMs, these are mostly in development at the moment but I've tried several so far and have settled on Android Version Froyd Villain1.6 (2.2.1) which has been great for several weeks with no crashes and plenty quick.
Hope this helps!
There are plenty of web guides on how to ROOT your Hero also Youtube videos.
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I was able to root my phone after upgrading to the official 2.1 ROM.
There are many great ROMs to choose from; CM6.1, Froyo 2.2.1 Final (by Elelinux), FroydVillain 1.7.0 My personal preference would be Elelinux's one.

Just go for Feeyo's 2.3 1.0.1 best one ever.

ikmax said:
Just go for Feeyo's 2.3 1.0.1 best one ever.
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I second that!
I am a flash-aholic and have tried nearly all the 2.3 roms. By far the best is cronos 1.0.1 It is uber fast (faster than any 2.1 I have tried) and has a brilliant forum community, with the dev responding quickly to any bugs.
Have fun!

Why shouldn't he update to the official 2.1 Rom? It is said to be rootable with Universalandroot! (see http://blog.23corner.com/2010/08/30/universal-androot-1-6-2-beta-5/#more-407) So getting the official 2.1 would also be a reasonable step towards more speed!
And I don't see a downside of doing so...

Thanks for all the info guys.
Is it possible to brick a Hero when attempting to root it?
Cheers!

HomerJayS said:
Why shouldn't he update to the official 2.1 Rom? It is said to be rootable with Universalandroot! So getting the official 2.1 would also be a reasonable step towards more speed!
And I don't see a downside of doing so...
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That will update his HBoot to 1.76.007 which is a perfected SPL.

awaisj said:
That will update his HBoot to 1.76.007 which is a perfected SPL.
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And what does this exactly mean?
Or in other words: What are the consequences thereof?
Sorry, I'm also just getting into the whole Rooting stuff
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

it's up to you to decide what rom you want.
you have to test it for yourself, and see if you like it or not.
All we can do is point out some possible candidates

[Q] Switching/Upgrading to 2.2

I know this may seem stupid to a lot of people on here, but I want to switch from my rooted 2.1 Aria and update it to 2.2. The main reason I want to do this is for the apps that are only available for froyo (I loved my rooted phone, but I also want the update).
I downloaded the RUU 2.2 from the HTC site and went through the process. The only problem is that my phone did not update. The info on the phone says that it's version 2.2.2, but the UI and everything else is still 2.1 format. Basically the brain is froyo, but the body is eclair. I contacted customer service, and they said that I would need to send my phone in for repair since it was rooted (i.e. broken to them).
I would rather not send in my phone and deal with them. Can anyone think of any solution to this problem? Thanks!

sqs said:
I know this may seem stupid to a lot of people on here, but I want to switch from my rooted 2.1 Aria and update it to 2.2. The main reason I want to do this is for the apps that are only available for froyo (I loved my rooted phone, but I also want the update).
I downloaded the RUU 2.2 from the HTC site and went through the process. The only problem is that my phone did not update. The info on the phone says that it's version 2.2.2, but the UI and everything else is still 2.1 format. Basically the brain is froyo, but the body is eclair. I contacted customer service, and they said that I would need to send my phone in for repair since it was rooted (i.e. broken to them).
I would rather not send in my phone and deal with them. Can anyone think of any solution to this problem? Thanks!
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Well, it's too late now, but you could have simply installed the Liberated 2.2.2 update from this site -- which is basically the AT&T official update with the bloatware removed and it lets you retain root access on your phone.
Anyway, what makes you believe that your UI is still 2.1? Honestly there is very little visually different between 2.1 and 2.2.2 so it wouldn't look very different anyway.

sqs said:
I downloaded the RUU 2.2 from the HTC site and went through the process. The only problem is that my phone did not update. The info on the phone says that it's version 2.2.2, but the UI and everything else is still 2.1 format. Basically the brain is froyo, but the body is eclair.
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The version of HTC Sense did not change much between Android 2.1 and 2.2. If you phone says that it's version 2.2.2 then the update probably took. As the previous posted mentioned, you are not going to see much difference in the UI. If you look in the list of installed apps, you should see some news, including the Wifi Hotspot.

Thanks for the replies so far. The reason why I say it's still a 2.1 UI is because from what I've seen of screenshots of froyo, it looks different. The froyo interface (at least from what I've seen) looks like the current one that cyanogenmod is using. I know the current cyanogenmod is based on Gingerbread, but I was thinking that there wasn't a big difference between gingerbread and froyo, while the big difference change was between eclair and froyo. Also, my hboot version is 1.02. Is this a sign of 2.1 or 2.2?
I am still not able to install 2.2 only apps (such as Flash 10.2) on my phone, which is why I'm thinking it's still partially stuck in 2.1.

sqs said:
Thanks for the replies so far. The reason why I say it's still a 2.1 UI is because from what I've seen of screenshots of froyo, it looks different. The froyo interface (at least from what I've seen) looks like the current one that cyanogenmod is using. I know the current cyanogenmod is based on Gingerbread, but I was thinking that there wasn't a big difference between gingerbread and froyo, while the big difference change was between eclair and froyo. Also, my hboot version is 1.02. Is this a sign of 2.1 or 2.2?
I am still not able to install 2.2 only apps (such as Flash 10.2) on my phone, which is why I'm thinking it's still partially stuck in 2.1.
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You will never be able to install Flash on your device since it requires an ARM7 processor, ours have a ARM6 (at least until Adobe build a version that does not require the ARM7 instructions set). If your Hboot is 1.02, then your phone DID take the update - you are stuck with it until if/when someone is able find a new root exploit.
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Ok thanks a lot for that! I'm still learning all the intricacies of the droid processing system. Let's hope for a root for 2.2 soon.

sqs said:
Thanks for the replies so far. The reason why I say it's still a 2.1 UI is because from what I've seen of screenshots of froyo, it looks different. The froyo interface (at least from what I've seen) looks like the current one that cyanogenmod is using. I know the current cyanogenmod is based on Gingerbread, but I was thinking that there wasn't a big difference between gingerbread and froyo, while the big difference change was between eclair and froyo. Also, my hboot version is 1.02. Is this a sign of 2.1 or 2.2?
I am still not able to install 2.2 only apps (such as Flash 10.2) on my phone, which is why I'm thinking it's still partially stuck in 2.1.
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You're thinking of the updated AOSP look. The Aria uses the HTC Sense UI which didnt change at all on the Aria between 2.1 and 2.2 (not visually anyway). hboot 1.02 is definitely an update to 2.2.

DZ could be getting ICS. *source*

http://androidandme.com/2012/02/devices/official-htc-android-4-0-handset-update-list/
And if we don't get an official version, there are definitely enough similar devices listed that we could get a GREAT port

I just saw the link under the post that you linked, which says that the Explorer is on the update list for ICS. If that's true, and the desire z is still not getting an update, i think i'll end up pulling all my hair out!
I really hope we can get an official update still.

Hopefully, the ONE V will give the devs the port material for ICS!

ICS for Desire Z
If we just want an ICS port for DZ, we still have a lot barring some raregraphical glithces, Camera and FM radio. Porting One V will also pose the same problems as HTC uses some different chipset for camera in it. So the drivers maynot be the same for both the devices. Also, One V uses 3rd generation snapdragon whereas our DZ uses 2nd generation processor.
Our best bet is DHD ICS update.
Fingers Crossed !!

zoot1 said:
If we just want an ICS port for DZ, we still have a lot barring some raregraphical glithces, Camera and FM radio. Porting One V will also pose the same problems as HTC uses some different chipset for camera in it. So the drivers maynot be the same for both the devices. Also, One V uses 3rd generation snapdragon whereas our DZ uses 2nd generation processor.
Our best bet is DHD ICS update.
Fingers Crossed !!
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The One V is single core, the 3rd generation snapdragons are dual core.
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda premium

DRSdroid said:
http://androidandme.com/2012/02/devices/official-htc-android-4-0-handset-update-list/
And if we don't get an official version, there are definitely enough similar devices listed that we could get a GREAT port
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Okay I am a noob at all this, if my question seems dumb just chalk it up to that.
I have a G2 the link stated that we MAY be getting the update, if you are running CM7 and no longer use standard rom would that still update or do I need to just sit back relax and wait for CM9 ?
I do want to say that since finding this site I have rooted s-off and modded both mine and my wifes G2 and have had no trouble. Just saying thanks to everyone on the site.

Generally custom ROM's like CM7 can not use OTA update functions, that's been turned off by the dev's. But if you wanted to use a Stock Sense 4.0 ROM for our phone (*if* it will be ever released), then you'd probably be better off waiting for a custom release. If you were to use any sort of way to install an official release, whether that is OTA or manual update using an update file then you'd potentially be S-ON'd with pretty much stock everything, potentially a phone that's completely stock, which depending on what's been changed may not be root-able. Surely don't want that!
Now there's no official CM9 dev'ing for our phone as of yet because the CyanogenMod team has stated it will not start dev'ing until official proprietary drivers for our chipset (which is similar to a lot of HTC phones) have been released. So, once official DHD / DS / OneV / SensationXL ICS has been released then the CM team will most likely start dev'ing on CM9 for our phone. Yet, Andromadus, the unofficial CM9 and JIBWich ROM's are the closest thing to CM9 we have as of yet.
With all that said, we will probably be seeing Sense 4.0 ROM's (ports, not official stuff) in the coming days...Matter of fact is, I think we have two dev's trying to port a Sense 4.0 ROM over from the MT4G dev section. So hopefully we will have our chance to play around with Sense 4.0 pretty soon!

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Generally custom ROM's like CM7 can not use OTA update functions, that's been turned off by the dev's. But if you wanted to use a Stock Sense 4.0 ROM for our phone (*if* it will be ever released), then you'd probably be better off waiting for a custom release. If you were to use any sort of way to install an official release, whether that is OTA or manual update using an update file then you'd potentially be S-ON'd with pretty much stock everything, potentially a phone that's completely stock, which depending on what's been changed may not be root-able. Surely don't want that!
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All that, and installing an OTA on a rooted device may also bootloop the device, or otherwise render it incapable of booting. Don't ever install an OTA on a rooted Android device.
Rooted versions of official updates usually get posted here very soon after the official release, sometimes ever earlier (in the case of leaks which then get rooted, before the official ROM actually hits OTA)! So just be patient, and wait for the a pre-rooted version.

redpoint73 said:
All that, and installing an OTA on a rooted device may also bootloop the device, or otherwise render it incapable of booting. Don't ever install an OTA on a rooted Android device.
Rooted versions of official updates usually get posted here very soon after the official release, sometimes ever earlier (in the case of leaks which then get rooted, before the official ROM actually hits OTA)! So just be patient, and wait for the a pre-rooted version.
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First the information was of great help, I continue to learn from members, I have no plans to become a dev, however to know is to avoid serious problems later.

I saw an article on engadget stating that Norway, I think, released ics with sense 3.6 to the sensation users. Does that use the same camera as ours? Not sure if that update would help create a stable ics rom for g2
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otariq said:
I saw an article on engadget stating that Norway, I think, released ics with sense 3.6 to the sensation users. Does that use the same camera as ours? Not sure if that update would help create a stable ics rom for g2
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Not the same chipset, no. It's the Sensation XL that will help us more, I think their ICS ROM had already leaked ?
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.

Canadian Atrix 4G in ATT network

hi
i just bought a new atrix from a guy and i look in the about info and find it is for bell mobility in Canada. what i am concerned about is is being able to update to ICS when they release the update.
i am in the usa and on the att network
bell may not even offer it. what should i expect. thanks
ps i want the official motorola update only.
thank you for your help

I wouldn't worry because we're not getting ics. If it was going to come out it would have had a leak by now.
And fyi you should never use a stock from anyways, go get neutrino or epinters.
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Haxornator said:
I wouldn't worry because we're not getting ics. If it was going to come out it would have had a leak by now.
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nope.avi
Just because nothing's been leaked it doesn't mean that we aren't getting the update. I just means that nothing's been leaked.

Haxornator said:
And fyi you should never use a stock from anyways, go get neutrino or epinters.
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That's just stupid.
First of all, you can't tell people what to do.
Second of all, many important parts of custom ROMs wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for stock.
Plus, you're missing the point entirely.

ravilov said:
That's just stupid.
First of all, you can't tell people what to do.
Second of all, many important parts of custom ROMs wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for stock.
Plus, you're missing the point entirely.
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stock runs really well imo rooted or unlocked with kernel's one of the smoothest roms are based off stock. agreed ravilor?

Ciloteille said:
stock runs really well imo rooted or unlocked with kernel's one of the smoothest roms are based off stock. agreed ravilor?
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Don't know, I don't actually run stock, but I do recognize its importance.
BTW it's ravilov.

No, you will not be able to update to ICS even if you're running under AT&T network. The Bell Atrix 4G which is an international version of the Atrix is not the same phone as the AT&T version. Best bet is to unlock your phone and either flash one of the existing ICS or Jelly Bean ROM's, or wait for an official release and hopefully a stock one or a ROM based on the stock one will exist.

Cheeseman- said:
No, you will not be able to update to ICS even if you're running under AT&T network. The Bell Atrix 4G which is an international version of the Atrix is not the same phone as the AT&T version. Best bet is to unlock your phone and either flash one of the existing ICS or Jelly Bean ROM's, or wait for an official release and hopefully a stock one or a ROM based on the stock one will exist.
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thanks to everyone for your replies.
i am returning the phone. really nice phone but no stock ics update they can have it back. i posted here because you guys work outside the box. the stuff you guys do is to much work for me. to do that stuff you need to develop skills.
thanks again

Cheeseman- said:
No, you will not be able to update to ICS even if you're running under AT&T network. The Bell Atrix 4G which is an international version of the Atrix is not the same phone as the AT&T version. Best bet is to unlock your phone and either flash one of the existing ICS or Jelly Bean ROM's, or wait for an official release and hopefully a stock one or a ROM based on the stock one will exist.
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So I'm not getting the update? Well, f*** you too, Motorola!

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So I'm not getting the update? Well, f*** you too, Motorola!
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No one said you aren't. Just if you are, it won't be through AT&T.