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Will you unroot for 2.1?

Seems alot of this "everyone will unroot for 2.1" vs. "no one will unroot for 2.1" arguments is going on. Personally, I'd say you'd have to be a fool to unroot for 2.1. Toast has about everything but the camera working, Darch is getting an AOSP built. Even if Sprint DOES release it first, XDA will have custom ROMs up within 24 hours.
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Yes, I made a typo on the poll.

Probably, assuming I can use one of the 1.5 RUUs to go back.

On another note, I anticipate that once the official 2.1 is released, all of the current 2.1 builds will basically dissolve and, eventually, all future development will be based on the official 2.1 release.
That's just a guess, but I think it's a good one.

Nandroid muthafucka, can you use it?
Using RA to go back to 1.5 and then doing the RUU is the only way I've gotten it to work.
Get an "Error 180" otherwise.

I'm assuming that the 2.1 update will overwrite RA the way the 1.5 RUU does.
If it doesn't, then of course restoring a Nandroid directly will be sufficient. If it does, then I'll need to go back to the 1.5 RUU, then root, then apply the backup.

abcdfv said:
Seems alot of this "everyone will unroot for 2.1" vs. "no one will unroot for 2.1" arguments is going on. Personally, I'd say you'd have to be a fool to unroot for 2.1. Toast has about everything but the camera working, Darch is getting an AOSP built. Even if Sprint DOES release it first, XDA will have custom ROMs up within 24 hours.
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Yes, I made a typo on the poll.
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First things first, I think the answer mostly depends on if someone tries it and reports whether they can root again afterwards or not.
If so, I believe many will unroot and upgrade.
If not, I doubt anyone here will do it.
Secondly, Toast's 2.1 build, while great(I use it daily) is not even close to the final 2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elDD2mxE4ak
^^ Something a bit more like what we will have

Ah crap, I thought you meant you'd keep root.

jonnythan said:
I'm assuming that the 2.1 update will overwrite RA the way the 1.5 RUU does.
If it doesn't, then of course restoring a Nandroid directly will be sufficient. If it does, then I'll need to go back to the 1.5 RUU, then root, then apply the backup.
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Potential problem being you may not be able to go back to the 1.5 RUU.
For example, if you flash Sprint's second RUU that was released, you are then unable to flash the original one.
So it may end up being you cannot go back to 1.5. Not sure how likely this is though due to the operating system version change, they may allow you to go back because some users may not like it(for some reason )

No, here at XDA some cool guy will probably make a better ROM based on 2.1

I agree that I will probably wait to see if someone can still root after the update if yes then I will probably go back and update then root again. if not then I will wait for one of the great devs here to release a rom built off the official 2.1 so I can keep root

You'd be a fool to unroot for 2.1. After you unroot, it might take weeks, months, or years to find a new exploit to root again. I say keep root and wait until our awesome devs have a rooted version up

I might unroot, but then again I don't want to wait for a root exploit ...
so I might stay rooted and wait for the devs to come out with a nice suitable ROM ...

I'm gonna wait for an root exploit before locking my phone down again with the 2.1 official. Then i'll probably try the official 2.1, not like it, and go back to an XDA 2.1

I give it about 72 hours before my curiosity gets the better of me, but only if there isn't already a viable 2.1 release here.

unroot
I would unroot for the update, simply because i have so much faith in the dev community. Im sure they will be able to root it again.

Powers16 said:
I would unroot for the update, simply because i have so much faith in the dev community. Im sure they will be able to root it again.
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You love the dev community, yet you'll unroot in hopes they'll be able to root it?
Why not just wait for them to put up a custom ROM and keep root? I really doubt it'll take longer than a few hours, maybe a day to put out a fully working ROM

Well, i didnt say i wouldnt give them time either, ill wait about 2 or 3 days for them to make a custom rom, but i am so damn excited about the update i really am feeling like i am getting the short stick with the cdma hero on sprint. honestly the update needs to come asap.

why would anyone unroot to update? it would only take ten minutes to extract their build and just make an update.zip out of it. u flash it and its as good as sprints ruu. even better because u wont have to worry about root or upgrading to the next android version. lets not forget 2.1 isnt the end of the road for android. as soon as they start releasing updates for it. u can bet they are already working on the next build of android. but yeah i wouldnt unroot for the update. ill just get it, exstact it, make an update zip, and flash that sucker. then go back and tear it apart and start adding all the stuff sprint was to cheap or to dumb to add while removing all the bull they did add. i bet it wont take but an hour before an update.zip hits the forum after sprint releases it.

NOT going to unroot i love the custom roms

toastcfh said:
why would anyone unroot to update? it would only take ten minutes to extract their build and just make an update.zip out of it. u flash it and its as good as sprints ruu. even better because u wont have to worry about root or upgrading to the next android version. lets not forget 2.1 isnt the end of the road for android. as soon as they start releasing updates for it. u can bet they are already working on the next build of android. but yeah i wouldnt unroot for the update. ill just get it, exstact it, make an update zip, and flash that sucker. then go back and tear it apart and start adding all the stuff sprint was to cheap or to dumb to add while removing all the bull they did add. i bet it wont take but an hour before an update.zip hits the forum after sprint releases it.
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2.1 official release for rooted users?

This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?

I don't think they can actually push a OTW update.....
barnacles10 said:
This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?
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It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other potential nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found. This fully depends on whether old method is patched.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.

danknee said:
It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.
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Couldn't have said it better myself! I would just suggest waiting until the cook of your preference updates his to include items from the official release.

And the single most important reason: No nandroid. Having a point in time backup is insanely important to me. If I ever have to return my phone and get a refurb, it's nice to know I've got a nandroid that will get me right back to where I was before I turned in my phone.

It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.

jlem26 said:
It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?

cicada said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?
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Not possible if the Hboot updates, which it probably will. Those here who tried the test leak 2.1 ruu.exe were unable to run the 1.56 ruu after.
There is an alternative to restore everything except the hboot from the 1.56 ruu here, but you cannot simply run the .exe. This method won't work if the official build has patched the ability to gain root (you won't be able to nandroid). In that case you will be stuck with official 2.1 only.
BTW, speaking from experience with the test build, ruu, hboot, etc.

Kcarpenter said:
One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL
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Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.

Good to know, would've been awful to have to wait for new root hack just because I tried the new and shiny!
Guess I will sit back and wait for dev magic before I jump the gun.

Sawawa said:
Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
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Mater of semantics, politics, and Ideaologies.
Google has a half belief here, they like open, but they protect that damn search algorithim like its a sacred scripture - Last count I think 8 people on earth knew exactly how it worked.
So the disadvantage to google would be ungodly competition if it was released. Proprietary stuff is a win if you look for profits. Again...depends on which side of the spectrum you are on. Points can be argued either way.

jlem26 said:
It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
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I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.

ramiss said:
I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.
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THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!

Kcarpenter said:
THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!
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ROFL. . . you don't have unlimited text?

lol I would hope having a hero you would have unlimited data and texts
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yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.

yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.
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lol! that's great.. ever since sprint gave us that free mobile to mobile in any network I do not bother checking minutes or texts. unless my bill changes.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one.
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Why is it that people still think open source means insecure? I don't claim to know how previous rooting techniques exploit Android, but I do know that 2 Linux distros have a higher government security rating than any other operating system. I assume most weaknesses in android have to do with the recovery and/or update code, which has nothing to do with Linux.

Sawawa said:
Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
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It IS when HTC bogards it from us and hordes it like cookie monster does cookies. I thought open source meant OPEN SOURCE. Ahh, who knows i probably misunderstood the whole concept

[Q] I rooted and installed a ROM, what to do if 2.2 or 2.3 comes out?

rooted, installed cw recovery, installed jt's superclean 0.4 DI01 ROM, what would I do when 2.2 or 2.3 comes out? will I have to wait a couple days for a updated ROM to come out for that version of android? Or would I have to go back to stock?

Wait for a ROM... Much easier than dealing with having to go back to stock just for an ota

Kevin Gossett said:
Wait for a ROM... Much easier than dealing with having to go back to stock just for an ota
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this. and you know very shortly after an OTA comes out, or more likely before, it will be released here in multiple flavors. so i wouldn't worry about it.

ok cool. thanks

Thanks for the info....good post. I hope its true and we see it soon. Ignore PhoenixPath he likes to shoot down anyone.... Your thread 100% belongs here.

Would it be expected to have a Froyo 2.2 rom the same day it comes out OTA if Verizon somehow keeps it from being leaked before?

Powell730 said:
Would it be expected to have a Froyo 2.2 rom the same day it comes out OTA if Verizon somehow keeps it from being leaked before?
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I would think there would at least be a rooted version out the same day. A lot of it will depend on when it is released. If it gets released late at night or during the week, it may take a little longer than if it gets released earlier in the day or on like a Friday.

Another reason not to return to stock to get an update from Verizon: The update may prevent the phone from being rooted again by patching the security loophole that we exploit to gain root.
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T-Mobile advertising 2.2 (Froyo) On Mytouch Slide.

Ok, Here is the link, T-mobile is advertising 2.2 Froyo on the Mytouch Slide....
http://mytouch.t-mobile.com/mytouch-3g-slide-features#/apps
WTF... They must be close to releasing it or they wouldn't advertise it on their website as running 2.2 Or is this just another trick from T-mobile to sell more Mytouch Slides

A doubt
i have a mytouch slide unlocked, and currently running froyo 2.2.1 by CM. i cant get an OTA update, but i really like the espresso ui along with the genius and other things. how can i get the t-mobile 2.2, if they release it and will it work on my phone.?

coolbrain said:
i have a mytouch slide unlocked, and currently running froyo 2.2.1 by CM. i cant get an OTA update, but i really like the espresso ui along with the genius and other things. how can i get the t-mobile 2.2, if they release it and will it work on my phone.?
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the answer you are looking for has been out for a few days now mate =] just head on over to this thread I will link in the end of my post. enjoy! download file and flash via recovery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=928250

this is true it real tmo new slide ship with 2.2 ...but a rep said to get it pushed to ur phone go to diler type *#*#243#*#* and with in 7 days u should get the update
NVM its false tmo said it is a mistake post

Did you even read what he said? He is allready running CR's Froyo. He wants to know how to get the stock OTA if it comes out.
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the answer you are looking for has been out for a few days now mate =] just head on over to this thread I will link in the end of my post. enjoy! download file and flash via recovery
[URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=928250"]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=928250[/URL]
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You would have to revert back to stock in order to get the OTA if/when it comes out. There really is no need though. You will find the latest updates here, probably before you would get them on your phone. CR is the best at getting us out the latest stuff and keeping everything updated.
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i have a mytouch slide unlocked, and currently running froyo 2.2.1 by CM. i cant get an OTA update, but i really like the espresso ui along with the genius and other things. how can i get the t-mobile 2.2, if they release it and will it work on my phone.?
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I have reverted to stock, If I get the update (Whenever that is) I will post the update.zip file. But we are waiting for t-mobile to push the update still. It's gotta be soon as they have updated the website to say that the mytouch slide runs on "The Powerful Android 2.2 Froyo system" LOL.

thegreenfamily04 said:
I have reverted to stock, If I get the update (Whenever that is) I will post the update.zip file. But we are waiting for t-mobile to push the update still. It's gotta be soon as they have updated the website to say that the mytouch slide runs on "The Powerful Android 2.2 Froyo system" LOL.
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Why in the world would you return to the restrictions of being on stock?
A rooted ver of the OTA is always made here in xda so theres no point in bother with stock, root gives you complete control over your phone and allows you to make it yours.

Just what I stated as above TO GET THE OEM OTA AND POST IT HERE. I'm well aware of rooting and S-Off I had both before going back to stock, re-rooting and S-offing again isn't that big of a deal. I did a nadroid backup before I went back to stock so I can have my phone back in short order.

thegreenfamily04 said:
Just what I stated as above TO GET THE OEM OTA AND POST IT HERE. I'm well aware of rooting and S-Off I had both before going back to stock, re-rooting and S-offing again isn't that big of a deal. I did a nadroid backup before I went back to stock so I can have my phone back in short order.
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um...You probably should have waited till they actually start sending out the OTA. Second, It doesnt come in a update.zip file so unless you know how to extract the complete file from your phone after it has been updated and then turn it into a update.zip you are going to be S.O.L.

It doesn't matter !
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um...You probably should have waited till they actually start sending out the OTA. Second, It doesnt come in a update.zip file so unless you know how to extract the complete file from your phone after it has been updated and then turn it into a update.zip you are going to be S.O.L.
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Hmph. I thought someone would understand, Guess not.

TrueBlue_Drew said:
Did you even read what he said? He is allready running CR's Froyo. He wants to know how to get the stock OTA if it comes out.
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erm? I'm pretty sure I did read what he said.. he said he is running 2.2.1 CM, not CR, thanks though? lol...
"i have a mytouch slide unlocked, and currently running froyo 2.2.1 by CM. i cant get an OTA update, but i really like the espresso ui along with the genius and other things. how can i get the t-mobile 2.2, if they release it and will it work on my phone.?"
so i pointed out to him where he can get the 2.2.1 with epresso, not stock android.

Friends EVO stuck on 2.1 Update 1 lol

Phone is stock as a whistle. She always denied the OTA cause she was afraid of getting charges from the warning it stated even tho shes on an unlimited plan. Any who, I updated the phone twice but its still 2.1. My question is, can I keep it stock and flash an update or do I have to root? I am familiar with the rooting process and im sure its easy since its an old version. And if I have to root I mine as well flash a ROM.... any suggestions on ROMs or flashing stock OTAs
would be looking for a GB Rom unless there is something very good and stable for ICS

Team D.I.R.T. cm9 is the most stable ics rom out in my opinion. So if ur gonna go thru the trouble of rooting it, y not throw some ice cream sandwich on there.
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Buck Shot said:
Phone is stock as a whistle. She always denied the OTA cause she was afraid of getting charges from the warning it stated even tho shes on an unlimited plan. Any who, I updated the phone twice but its still 2.1. My question is, can I keep it stock and flash an update or do I have to root? I am familiar with the rooting process and im sure its easy since its an old version. And if I have to root I mine as well flash a ROM.... any suggestions on ROMs or flashing stock OTAs
would be looking for a GB Rom unless there is something very good and stable for ICS
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What version does it show? I think there were a couple of updates before 2.2, as I understand it you'd have to do each one in order.
ETA: Yeah, if you look here there is a list of the OTA's that came out for this phone, looks there were two on 2.1 before the update to 2.2. Looks like about 9 to go...

tempe38 said:
What version does it show? I think there were a couple of updates before 2.2, as I understand it you'd have to do each one in order.
ETA: Yeah, if you look here there is a list of the OTA's that came out for this phone, looks there were two on 2.1 before the update to 2.2. Looks like about 9 to go...
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Actually, it's 7 updates (8 if the latest one has been pushed) because some of them will be skipped. OTA is the long way, and 3.26 doesn't appear to push to the phone anymore anyway, so you will be stuck on Android 2.1. The easiest way if you are just looking to update the phone is to run one of the latest Rom Utility Updates like this file.
http://goo.im/stock/supersonic/ruu/...15.00.12.19_NV_2.33_release_234563_signed.zip
Do not unzip it. Just rename it PC36IMG.zip (not PC36IMG.zip.zip, easy to do). Place the file on the SD card. Power off the phone, then hold the volume down + power buttons. If there are not any SD card issues, it should go through a process, then ask you do you want to update, which you should say yes.
And yes, you could also root the phone and then flash a custom ROM if you choose not to take the update. Since it's still on 2.1, unrevoked at www.unrevoked.com would be the easiest root method. There are at least 2 others, but they are a mess.

Thanks for the directions above man it worked like a charm... except the contact sync lol but she has Instagram! lol she wanted to stay stock

CRIME INC. said:
Team D.I.R.T. cm9 is the most stable ics rom out in my opinion. So if ur gonna go thru the trouble of rooting it, y not throw some ice cream sandwich on there.
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Yep. I'd go with this ROM.