I would like to apologize to all Artemis ROM Users
for Artemis Thread being closed, but it happened without me knowing.
from Modulator
noellenchris
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=483200
I would like to request a simple public explanation from the
XDA Forum Administrators.
After so many work for XDA Forum, I want a simple public explanation.
Yes, an explanation for closing the thread is most welcome.
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Yes, an explanation for closing the thread would be really nice.
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+1
Regards, Ath73
No explanation NO more contributions to xda
In my opinion that is the leat they can do. I´m also going through the forum rules, because these apply also to mods. And my question is, if noellenchris is T-Mobile USA HTC HD2 Forum Mod, how can he close a thread of a clearly NON T-MOUS HD2 ROM without ANY notice to users and OP????????
IN DUBIO PRO REO
BHS Interceptor said:
In my opinion that is the leat they can do. I´m also going through the forum rules, because these apply also to mods. And my question is, if noellenchris is T-Mobile USA HTC HD2 Forum Mod, how can he close a thread of a clearly NON T-MOUS HD2 ROM without ANY notice to users and OP????????
IN DUBIO PRO REO
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I like to think that this is some sort of accident.
(ThaDeanesta and noellenchris are moderators here and T-mobile version thread)
Regards, Ath73
MODs Why closed/Locked.
Artemis do you still have the link for v57 -WWE English.
PM me plz with the link.
Try to find Artemis_v570_0409_WWE but google give nothing.
Oke find it lol.
http://www.pilotlogic.com/artemis/570/Artemis_v570_0409_WWE.7z
+1 Why closing Sir Sternas thread...??????
Ath73 said:
I like to think that this is some sort of accident.
(ThaDeanesta and noellenchris are moderators here and T-mobile version thread)
Regards, Ath73
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Yes, so do I. Let´s hope it´s an accident....
Regarding the "mod status", this should also be a bit "clearer" in their profiles, especially when beeing mad/angry/confused/worried/speechles about what he (the mod) has done
So the only thing I saw clearly (beeing very subjective and not to objetive) was what I copied and pasted and:
Service provider: USA T-Mobile
Home Country: United States
T.mobile HTC HD2
Sorry, still an HTC HD2 T-MOUS moderator for me
BHS Interceptor said:
Yes, but this should also be a bit "clearer" in their profiles, especially when beeing mad/angry/confused/worried/speechles about what he (the mod) has done
So the only thing I saw clearly (beeing very subjective and not to objetive) was what I copied and pasted and:
Service provider: USA T-Mobile
Home Country: United States
T.mobile HTC HD2
Sorry, still an HTC HD2 T-MOUS moderator for me
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I cannot think otherwise that this has something to do with the Samantha thing a while ago.
regards, Kuzibri
I think you are to good for XDA lol.
I hope you come back fast.
I pray it's a mistake.
We all need this ROM for the HD2
Reply to mod who closed this thread
Dear Sir,
I'm really surprised you closed this thread. In my honest opinion there has nothing happened that justifies to close this thread. I therefore will kindly and with all regards ask you for the reason why you closed this thread? I also hope that with this post that you will consider to reopen this thread again, because many users benefit from Sir Sternas capabilties and fabulous ROM's. The accusations that he would use Warez and/or using apps without permission of third parties are based on nothing at all. Therefore I would ask you kindly to reopen this thread,
kind regards, Kuzibri
sternas said:
I would like to apologize to all Artemis ROM Users
for Artemis Thread being closed, but it happened without me knowing.
from Modulator
noellenchris
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=483200
I would like to request a simple public explanation from the
XDA Forum Administrators.
After so many work for XDA Forum, I want a simple public explanation.
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I've had 2 reports that this rom being distributed contains paid software. After the first PM to the OP, I was told all the software was licensed and ok. The second report here:
Hello.
I am a representative of Nuance Communications Inc. It has come to our attention that the user, "sternas", is distributing our copyrighted work without our prior authorization. We ask that you immediately cease and desist all further distribution, of our Vsuite 4.0 software. Please remove all download links to our copyrighted works.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Nuance Communications, Inc.
1 Wayside Road
Burlington, MA 01803
United States
Tel: 781-565-5000
Fax: 781-565-5001
So I've closed the thread until this situation is rectified. We have to protect XDA. So until clear evidence exists that this rom does not contain the above software it will remain closed. Sorry for the inconvenience in the mean time. Hopefully we can reopen the thread soon.
noellenchris
noellenchris said:
I've had 2 reports that this rom being distributed contains paid software. After the first PM to the OP, I was told all the software was licensed and ok. The second report here:
Hello.
I am a representative of Nuance Communications Inc. It has come to our attention that the user, "sternas", is distributing our copyrighted work without our prior authorization. We ask that you immediately cease and desist all further distribution, of our Vsuite 4.0 software. Please remove all download links to our copyrighted works.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Nuance Communications, Inc.
1 Wayside Road
Burlington, MA 01803
United States
Tel: 781-565-5000
Fax: 781-565-5001
So I've closed the thread until this situation is rectified. We have to protect XDA. So until clear evidence exists that this rom does not contain the above software it will remain closed. Sorry for the inconvenience in the mean time. Hopefully we can reopen the thread soon.
noellenchris
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Hola Chris,
I am very sad you had to close the thread and it would have been highly appreciated if you could have informed us & OP sooner about this acusations, or at least a hint.... or maybe even consider "in dubio pro reo" - meaning that clear evidence has to be provided by acusation THAT the acusation is right.
"Presumption of innosence"
I asume, and please forgive me if I do so, that "It has come to our attention" means that they have been informed that suposedly..... For me this means that the above stated company has not presented any proof for this, but I do understand your position and fully agree to comply by xda rules stating this, even though as you wrote, there have been only two (one from another xda member, and then from the company, thus ONE) out of how many downloads and users of Artemis ROMs?.
I´ve checked back with OP "Sternas" and got confirmation from him, that everything was
a) OEM / ROM software
b) Own software also from his company "PilotLogic"
Since there has been no direct answer from the OP regarding this acusations, and also no "proof" from what I´ve read in your honest explanation, I would very much appreciate you keeping us informed about the outcome of this incident and consider re-opening at least the thread for discussion and support of users.
I also would like to thank you for your "delicate" answer and do appologize if my postings have not been correct towards your person or position.
Kind & honest regards, Ber
@ all Artemists, dear Family and Friends, please, if you post, make no reference about the acusation stated above or any "asumptions" on who this could have been. Let xda and Sir Sternas clear this issue first - understandable reaction by xda rules and also not a confortable situation for any involved - meanwhile show your/our support for Sternas´s excellent work as well as this great community xda. Once everything is cleared and settled, we know what to do
BHS Interceptor said:
Hola Chris,
I am very sad you had to close the thread and it would have been highly appreciated if you could have informed us & OP sooner about this acusations, or at least a hint.... or maybe even consider "in dubio pro reo" - meaning that clear evidence has to be provided by acusation THAT the acusation is right.
"Presumption of innosence"
I asume, and please forgive me if I do so, that "It has come to our attention" means that they have been informed that suposedly..... For me this means that the above stated company has not presented any proof for this, but I do understand your position and fully agree to comply by xda rules stating this, even though as you wrote, there have been only two (one from another xda member, and then from the company, thus ONE) out of how many downloads and users of Artemis ROMs?.
I´ve checked back with OP "Sternas" and got confirmation from him, that everything was
a) OEM / ROM software
b) Own software also from his company "PilotLogic"
Since there has been no direct answer from the OP regarding this acusations, and also no "proof" from what I´ve read in your honest explanation, I would very much appreciate you keeping us informed about the outcome of this incident and consider re-opening at least the thread for discussion and support of users.
I also would like to thank you for your "delicate" answer and do appologize if my postings have not been correct towards your person or position.
Kind & honest regards, Ber
@ all Artemists, dear Family and Friends, please, if you post, make no reference about the acusation stated above or any "asumptions" on who this could have been. Let xda and Sir Sternas clear this issue first - understandable reaction by xda rules and also not a confortable situation for any involved - meanwhile show your/our support for Sternas´s excellent work as well as this great community xda. Once everything is cleared and settled, we know what to do
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XDA is investigating the claim. I will reopen the thread for the time being, but the links need to stay off until we can clear this up. Hopefully it is a false claim. Thanks
noellenchris
Totally agree with BHS Interceptor.
@noellenchris , thank you for reopening the thread.
noellenchris said:
XDA is investigating the claim. I will reopen the thread for the time being, but the links need to stay off until we can clear this up. Hopefully it is a false claim. Thanks
noellenchris
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Muchas gracias Chris Since I´m a polite person I ran out of "thanks", but tomorrow I´ll save two for you
I think it wrong when i look at all the software of the company and compare with the ROM. (Artemis knowing the best if he use it.) But we all trust The XDA Team to see in it. Vsuite not on the ROM. http://www.nuance.com/for-business/by-product/vsuite/index.htm
Quick! Quick! Someone made an accusation! Lets not bother informing the target! Lets just shut down the thread without an explanation untill a dozen or so people complain!
The bloody internet, making ******* and whimps of webadmins,,, fear the takedown notice above all else !!!
The modern day chicken licken
Hi
Hard to see what happen here! I hope that all will be good in the next days!
noellenchris said:
I've had 2 reports that this rom being distributed contains paid software. After the first PM to the OP, I was told all the software was licensed and ok. The second report here:
Hello.
I am a representative of Nuance Communications Inc. It has come to our attention that the user, "sternas", is distributing our copyrighted work without our prior authorization. We ask that you immediately cease and desist all further distribution, of our Vsuite 4.0 software. Please remove all download links to our copyrighted works.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Nuance Communications, Inc.
1 Wayside Road
Burlington, MA 01803
United States
Tel: 781-565-5000
Fax: 781-565-5001
So I've closed the thread until this situation is rectified. We have to protect XDA. So until clear evidence exists that this rom does not contain the above software it will remain closed. Sorry for the inconvenience in the mean time. Hopefully we can reopen the thread soon.
noellenchris
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I understand the position of the XDA Administration but I think this kind of reaction is a mistake. Don't forget XDA is what it is because of the developers and we should care to protect them as much as the forum itself.
You received a claim from a random user (but we all know who that is) and another one from somebody claiming to be a "representative of Nuance" - no name, no proof... nothing. Anybody could have copied the contact information from the Nuance website and use it as a mail signature. Anybody can send anonymous mails from [email protected].
Just like BHS Interceptor said, the presumption of innocence principle would have been a better choice in this case. Even if the claim proves to be true (which I highly doubt) I still believe this was a mistake to be learned from.
But if it's indeed a false claim, I'm afraid The Fool had the laugh of his life...
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What the.... again? TRYOG what can you say? MDA III here we go again.
Haven't I said enough...?
The only way to stop this, is to stop xda-developers...
But xda-developers means a lot more to me than tupisdin, so I think we can't stop this guy from what he's doing.
But, at least, I'm happy I did my job to humanity and tried to show everybody what kind of ugly monster tupisdin is,
even though the mods didn't get the motivation to move their lazy ass and kick him out.
O.G.
Maybe there is a reason
I think some mods are friends of tupisdin, and the income he earn they get a percentage, is that possible?
That, and i did not see anyone else post some of the most important Pre Release roms the last year more then Tuspidin.
XDA is not a forum about suspicions and conspiracies.
It's an obvious Win Win situation for all members.
Tuspidin gets the satisfaction of helping out XDA and users get affordable Sim Unlock and the latest apps from PreRelease Roms.
Please do not start another debate about this, The Moderating Team and Admin have already debated this and a division has been made by the Site Admin and was communicated with Tuspidin.
So Since Tuspidin is not being "kicked out" i hope you can respect that decision and Shut Up Already.
I'm certainly not getting richer nor are any moderators.
Calling someone an Ugly monster in any case is something we can't have it's a personal attack we don't allow.
Please refrain from using these terms.
And Luckily Moderators know better then feel attacked when being called Lazy asses after removing Spam, Warez and preventing conflicts that have nothing to do with what XDA is intended for, but it doesn't make friends.
It's only normal that Moderators just accept to be called whatever people want to call them, right?
So i'm only giving a warning about the first remark aimed at Tuspidin, but i can't promise any other Mod might feel differently about the lazy part. The Warning goes for both of you two as it clearly looks you like to Team up when you go beat on someone.
If you want you can help Moderators get of their Lazy ass at this thread:
SPAM Users
Nice to know about an unlocking solution! Maybe you guys which are not happy with the offer will give as a free solution. In the meantime we can use this one...
Do you so alswo CID unlock ?
Unlock works with the EMOBILE S22HT version of the Rose as well?
http://emobile.jp/products/ht/s22ht/
Noonski said:
That, and i did not see anyone else post some of the most important Pre Release roms the last year more then Tuspidin.
XDA is not a forum about suspicions and conspiracies.
It's an obvious Win Win situation for all members.
Tuspidin gets the satisfaction of helping out XDA and users get affordable Sim Unlock and the latest apps from PreRelease Roms.
Please do not start another debate about this, The Moderating Team and Admin have already debated this and a division has been made by the Site Admin and was communicated with Tuspidin.
So Since Tuspidin is not being "kicked out" i hope you can respect that decision and Shut Up Already.
I'm certainly not getting richer nor are any moderators.
Calling someone an Ugly monster in any case is something we can't have it's a personal attack we don't allow.
Please refrain from using these terms.
And Luckily Moderators know better then feel attacked when being called Lazy asses after removing Spam, Warez and preventing conflicts that have nothing to do with what XDA is intended for, but it doesn't make friends.
It's only normal that Moderators just accept to be called whatever people want to call them, right?
So i'm only giving a warning about the first remark aimed at Tuspidin, but i can't promise any other Mod might feel differently about the lazy part. The Warning goes for both of you two as it clearly looks you like to Team up when you go beat on someone.
If you want you can help Moderators get of their Lazy ass at this thread:
SPAM Users
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It's been a long time since I haven't visited this website.
And I was an active user.
(You know why I don't visit this website as often as I used to.)
I've helped people and people have helped me.
I've gained knowledge and people gained knowledge from me.
For example:
I was the first to write a tutorial about how to change the language on an HP iPaq 514.
The mods won't mention my help and win-win situations, would they?
Nooooooooo... And I don't want it.
But, if you are going to show me the help tupisdin gave you and forget about mine, then I will have to say that YOU are the guys who choose sides & attack people.
You are the guys who sold this websites fun & social part for money
Not us.
Now, there is less development, less fun, etc.
The only thing more is MONEY
Now, I hope you saw my love for this website in the past.
And you've ****ed it up.
P.S. MOD: Nobody's teaming up with me.
I've had something to say and people are agreeing with me.
They give their own opinions about a subject.
I can't find a rule about "shutting up about tupisdin" in the forum's rules.
The only reason I've shut up about tupisdin was, because my friend tom_codon asked me to.
P.S. 2.:
Mods, you can warn me all you want, you can't make me lose 1 thing I care about.
+ You guys play dirty and if you are going to continue, I'm going to play dirty, too
Bye.
// O.G.
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please don't try to hijack someones thread.
thank you
people!
i want to unlock my new Rose i received a week ago so i PM this topic starter but he don't react. So i search further and came by the website:
http://www.unlock-now.com/
those people are very fast and cheap. so for everybody who want to calculates his unlockcode you can go to them.
This is only a tip i don't have any relation with this site. i only found the service very quick and cheap.(€17,50).
marshallmaster said:
people!
i want to unlock my new Rose i received a week ago so i PM this topic starter but he don't react. So i search further and came by the website:
http://www.unlock-now.com/
those people are very fast and cheap. so for everybody who want to calculates his unlockcode you can go to them.
This is only a tip i don't have any relation with this site. i only found the service very quick and cheap.(€17,50).
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I agree. I have used them a number of times. if anyone finds anyone cheaper, please post
This thread is a complete and utter nonsense.
Two advertisements, nothing useful.
Just like this board is for more than 3 years now.
LOL.
What about development, eh?
Just lamers everywhere.
itsme, we miss you.
crusher said:
This thread is a complete and utter nonsense.
Two advertisements, nothing useful.
Just like this board is for more than 3 years now.
LOL.
What about development, eh?
Just lamers everywhere.
itsme, we miss you.
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no idea what you are talking about
this thread was to identify ways to unlock. commerical unlocking is the only thing available and two members have confirmed a supplier who works
.................
Sorry for not answering for a long time. I was on holidays.
Please send all requests by P.M.
Its informative!! i got my HTC Rose s743 by unlock code and i got it from Mobile-unlocker and got unlock code from them and unlocked my mobile..
Thread closed. Long gone!
Read this.. haha
http://gizmodo.com/5566747/htc-cracks-down-on-rom-hackers-with-cease-and-desist-letter
NOTICE
Just to let everyone know that I will be carefully monitoring this thread to make sure that everyone complies with the forum rules and that nothing gets out of hand. This means staying on topic at all times, no flaming or anything of the like. If I find that any member violates any of the forum rules I will close this thread and the member(s) may even be banned!
Thank you in advance.
am I violating XDA?
kencix said:
am I violating XDA?
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No. Posting information regarding HTC is allowed as long as it is from a legitimate source. Since you are simply posting a link regarding the C&D from HTC to shipped-roms.com everything is fine. However, I will be keeping a close eye on this thread because I expect that many members will reply with negative comments regarding HTC's legal decision. Which may lead up to flaming, bashing, disrespect toward others, off topic comments, slander toward HTC/Shipped-Roms.com, etc. All of which are not allowed on XDA-Developers and may result in a membership ban if any of the forum rules are broken. Since it is my duty to moderate threads in the forum I am only warning every reader in this thread that I will have a zero (0) tolerance toward any violators.
Other than that... have a nice discussion.
I am not happy with that either..
Wonder how this will effect the XDA Android with HTC sense developer community.
Is this only to avoid redistribute of their shipped roms, or is it to avoid rom cooking with HTC sense? Are they pissed after seeing sense running on Motorola droid?
Hope they won't take this to far and prevent sharing of HTC sense cooked roms. If so, then i guess i better prepare myself on using vanilla (did that already while waiting for a stable/working Froyo rom)
On the one hand, HTC is completely within their rights; that website is illegally distributing HTC's proprietary code/software.
On the other hand, if it werent for the rom community, HTC probably wouldn't be where they are now. They should be a little more understanding. Maybe they can work out something like Google did with cyanogen.
HTC is slow with their updates.
Maybe that's the reason why people build custom roms. Not maybe, but 100%
Anyways.. I'm considering to buy Samsung next time. Don't believe HTC anymore.
They talk and promise a lot, but still nothing from them..
I guess giving out information on their future releases is annoying HTC. However I don't see the problem on making better ROM's and other stuff, its not like they are loosing money from it.
that site has RUU hosted there.
that is the problem!
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that site has RUU hosted there.
that is the problem!
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Did you read their letter? Cause the letter clearly state that it has something to do with his site hosting HTC Intellectual Property. Here we are talking about artwork and sense which is NOT open source. Correct me if i'm wrong, but as far as i understand their, letter it might as well concern us to.
Oh man.. so long i not coming to see HD2 rom since i get my nexus.. But wait.. where all MDJ thread all gone?? its something happen??? someone tell me..
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Oh man.. so long i not coming to see HD2 rom since i get my nexus.. But wait.. where all MDJ thread all gone?? its something happen??? someone tell me..
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Mods closed / removed his threads... not sure what happened.
I got this reply from a moderator throuh a personel message
(''To answer your question, he was not complying with our rules regarding GPL liscensing.
We are working with him on this and his threads will be back when he is in compliance.'' )
so he might be back soon
i try to search on google and acess xda mdj rom and got the message below
"you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:
Please Read: New members (those with fewer than 10 posts) are not permitted to post to development-related forums. The developer forums are intended for experienced users and developers to discuss ways to improve technical aspects related to ROMs and Software. While you may be an expert, we ask ALL users to avoid posting questions about using or installing ROMs and software in the Development Forums. To encourage this new Users can read but not post in these forums.
To ask Questions about developing your device, installing ROMs, software and themes you must go to the Q&A or General Forum.
Remember, your question has very likely been asked already, so please search before posting. "
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.
so he wasn't sharing his source code?
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so he wasn't sharing his source code?
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Apparently, that is the case.
Yeah, I believe it had to do with him not sharing it. I think it all started when CM started to announce and work on the official build and were wanting to use his kernel as a base/starting point but he wouldn't give it out? I don't know, I just remember something similar to that happening in the Offical CM topic.
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Yeah, I believe it had to do with him not sharing it. I think it all started when CM started to announce and work on the official build and were wanting to use his kernel as a base/starting point but he wouldn't give it out? I don't know, I just remember something similar to that happening in the Offical CM topic.
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do you have a link?
that doesn't make any sense, if CM actually wanted to do an official HD2 build everyone would benefit, doesn't make sense for him not to release his kernel source.
invicible said:
i try to search on google and acess xda mdj rom and got the message below
"you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:
Please Read: New members (those with fewer than 10 posts) are not permitted to post to development-related forums. The developer forums are intended for experienced users and developers to discuss ways to improve technical aspects related to ROMs and Software. While you may be an expert, we ask ALL users to avoid posting questions about using or installing ROMs and software in the Development Forums. To encourage this new Users can read but not post in these forums.
To ask Questions about developing your device, installing ROMs, software and themes you must go to the Q&A or General Forum.
Remember, your question has very likely been asked already, so please search before posting. "
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.
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Im getting the same thing...Im looking to download the newest for my HD2 but i cannot enter that forum.
Can someone tell me if there is any and what possible damage can occur due to MDJ not sharing his source? Example: is any of our personal information at risk by this taking place (i.e. credit card numbers, e-mails, sms, phone records, etc)?
Thanks,
Aleks
Hope they are back soon
eenbox said:
Can someone tell me if there is any and what possible damage can occur due to MDJ not sharing his source? Example: is any of our personal information at risk by this taking place (i.e. credit card numbers, e-mails, sms, phone records, etc)?
Thanks,
Aleks
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it is posible that he has put some code in there to get details from devices, so without actually seeing the code people can only speculate
i hate to say it but this thread has turned borderline pathetic
can a mod please close this thread
before conspiracy theories start popping up about it MDJ
Weird. Haven't visited the android HD2 forums for a few weeks and to see MCCM back and MDJ gone is weird. But MCCM's builds work better for me anyway.
MDJ!!! WE MISS YOU!!! Hopefully we will see him back soon
MDJ, your work was the best here, Back to us pls!
Kameirus said:
i hate to say it but this thread has turned borderline pathetic
can a mod please close this thread
before conspiracy theories start popping up about it MDJ
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No it hasn't. Seems the issue has been addressed well enough and people are just voicing what's on their mind. The only excuse for this one being closed is it's a dupe thread.
Closing fair discussion never benefited anybody !
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA App
There has to be a reason why he refuses to share his code, if this is true, i would be really careful with those roms he created. think about it, everybody else shares their code (its a requirement) but when they asked him to share his, he disappears? I hope I am wrong...
It sucks that he's not around right now before this stuff went down he promised an update and i'm jonesing for one!
I've moved to another build, but don't like it as much.
Bonsai team just released v4.0.0 based on EC05. That's awesome!!
The thread was shortly thereafter closed by scotsman with the folling message
Thread closed until it complies with forum rules.
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With all due respect to scotsman and the other mods (and much is due), this sort of moderation is very frustrating to the community, and sure to create more work and headaches for you guys than simply expending a tiny, miniscule bit of additional effort when you take actions like this:
Explain specifically what the non-compliance is/was.
No one probably would care in the case of the five billionth "Samsung sucks" thread. On a thread like the Bonsai release thread, however, or any similarly popular argulably important (to the community) thread, it is only prudent to be a bit more explanatory when such a severe action is taken.
I was able to successfully get the release, of course. That's not the issue. I have some comments I'd like to post; a few questions too. Failing to see what rule violation has taken place, after reading the thread, I'm left confused, frustrated, and (right or wrong) feeling abused by the moderator (mildly so, to be sure).
Second, there seems to be a catch-22 here: If the thread is non-compliant somehow, and has been closed until it can be made compliant, one is left wondering: How can that happen if the thread is closed?
Scotsman, please update your closure post to help the community better understand what is going on. Save yourself, and the community, some grief. The effort is less than it will take to reply to this thread.
From my understanding it is because you have to register on their site to download it.
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Correct. Download links are not supposed to be posted on sites that require registration. Not to mention the method they do so acts more like a shopping cart/buying system than a download system. It gives a very bad image, and they need to rectify it.
I mean this sincerely, but wouldn't it have been easier to PM the moderator who closed this so that your concerns could be addressed correctly and efficiently?
Honestly I'm glad it was closed. And if you register for that website, you'll see it's money money money, donate here, give us that there... if you want money for it, fine. Sell it. I already have to register for enough crap, I don't need to register for anymore.
Scotsman, keep up the great work that you do!
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I mean this sincerely, but wouldn't it have been easier to PM the moderator who closed this so that your concerns could be addressed correctly and efficiently?
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No.
Further, the answers provided here would not have been available to the community. I would have had to post a thread anyway with the answer, hence "not easier".
You may disagree that this information justifies public airing. That's fair. We simply disagree with each other.
But the moderator already said that it wasn't in compliance with forum rules....
Oh well, I'm not worried about it....
Seems petty that XDA is so closed a forum, considering it supports Android, which is supposed to be open source
I "may" understand if it was linking to somewhere where you HAD to pay, but the website only required you to register, not pay.
Seems no one is "allowed" to provide helpful links to anywhere else, kinda sad for an "open source" website.
Actions like that by Mods devastate a community even worse then even the harshest of trolls
Just another example why XDA has the bad rep it does.
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Honestly I'm glad it was closed. And if you register for that website, you'll see it's money money money, donate here, give us that there... if you want money for it, fine. Sell it. I already have to register for enough crap, I don't need to register for anymore.
Scotsman, keep up the great work that you do!
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I completely understand your POV, and it has merit. I don't agree with it (I find it quite easy to spend maybe 30 seconds registering and clicking past the entreaties to donate).
If it violates the forum rules, they should be enforced. I have no problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is mysterious closures of threads. While some here are well-versed on the forum rules, most are not. And even those of us that have read through them in their entirety do not necessarily spot the reason for a closure.
When the specific reason can be so easily put in the closure post, and of course the mod that made the decision knows precisely why they are closing it, it simply is not reasonable to expect thousands of other members to have to go back and commit the equivalent of legal research in the forum rules to figure out what the mod could simply have articulated with a short sentence.
The latter would serve the community far better -- and isn't that a core responsibility of mods?
The forum has the rules it does, and frankly, I don't think the issue of the Bonsai team's approach here to distribution is worth arguing about. It would be an exercise in mental masturbation that would never come to any resolution. Some people are highly irritated by their approach to soliciting donations, some aren't bothered at all (me, for instance). Regardless, they should follow the rules when posting here.
None of that has anything to do with how moderators do their jobs. I have no particularly pointed criticism for scotsman, or any other mod w.r.t. to this issue. Rather, I am suggesting a way to better serve their "customers", and make their own job here easier. They can consider it, or ignore it.
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(I find it quite easy to spend maybe 30 seconds registering and clicking past the entreaties to donate).
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For what it's worth, I had issues registering and actually getting to the download when I tested it. That has nothing to do with the merit of an off-site download or the need to register, of course.
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But the moderator already said that it wasn't in compliance with forum rules....
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An entirely informationless reason.
That's the reason that every closed thread gets closed. It isn't enlightening at all.
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An entirely informationless reason.
That's the reason that every closed thread gets closed. It isn't enlightening at all.
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Well, the Forum Rules state that
Forum Rules said:
Off-site downloads from sites requiring registration are NOT encouraged but may be permitted if the following conditions are met:
A) the site belongs to a member of XDA-Developers with at least 1500 posts and 2 years membership who actively maintains XDA-Developers' support thread(s) / posts, related to the download,
B) the site is a relatively small personal website without commercial advertising/links (i.e. not a competitor forum-based site with purposes and aims similar to those of XDA-Developers.com.)
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It appears as though Mammon doesn't have 1500 posts which would make him in violation of the rules and thus the reason for his thread being closed.
I'm sure that all of this was explained to him via PM though.
the real issue here is that people with issues can't post them now. but i gotta agree, while registering wasn't that much of a hassle, try downloading the thing from your phone, you gotta go through 16 prompts and 666 other things, speak to satan, make sure jesus is on your side and then you can finally download it. thats a lot of hassle from a phone browser. or you can download it to your computer. connect your phone, speak to satan, make sure jesus is on your side and maybe the computer will decide it llikes the phone enough to show the drive where you can copy it.
but I can go to ACS, click download and have it on my phone in 2 seconds.
I do agree that forums shouldn't get closed like this without explanation, but we saw the same thing with epic experience and frankly usually the quality gets worse not better once this starts to happen. With Epic experience, the rom went from superstable to so buggy it was unusable and the heads started to get quite swelled.
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the real issue here is that people with issues can't post them now. but i gotta agree, while registering wasn't that much of a hassle, try downloading the thing from your phone, you gotta go through 16 prompts and 666 other things, speak to satan, make sure jesus is on your side and then you can finally download it. thats a lot of hassle from a phone browser.
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You're problem, obviously, clearly is that you are not already pre-qualified with Satan and Jesus, as I am, thereby supernaturally being silently led around 15 of the prompts and 665 of the links. Much like a VIP passing the line at a hot nightclub.
Go and register at http://SatanIsMyBud.com and http://JesusDigsMe.com, and you'll avoid these problems. Don't worry about the apparent conflict -- they're enemies, and don't share databases.
I do agree that forums shouldn't get closed like this without explanation, but we saw the same thing with epic experience and frankly usually the quality gets worse not better once this starts to happen. With Epic experience, the rom went from superstable to so buggy it was unusable and the heads started to get quite swelled.
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I understand. At the same time, this is all free, the "providers" are donating their time and effort to us "consumers", so a certain degree of forebearance seems appropriate, IMO.
This is all very personal and subjective, similar in many ways to one's musical tastes. There's no point in arguing "is not! is too!" over such things -- I really don't mind jumping through some hoops for a few minutes to get something awesome for free. But that's just me, and my personality. Others do, and I bear no criticism or ill-will for their perspective.
The one criticism I do have is for those that slag on the guys. If you were paying for a product/service, sure, you have some standing. However, if you're simply taking advantage of their donated work, you certainly have the option not to, and go somewhere else (like ACS, for example). There seem to me nothing good to be accomplished by anyone being so critical, and appearing like a selfish ingrate.
I'm curious to what happened to the noobnl thread where he I believe he called out mammon on the website stuff or something of that nature I didn't get to see his actual post cuz he edited it and today I can't find it anywhere.
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Maybe its just me, but I really didn't need an explanation to figure it out.
Here are the relevant parts exactly how they appear on each of two bonsai threads that were closed:
Current Version Download Links(Please register in-order to download) : mod edit: links removed
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from:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=976864
and:
Please register in-order to download.
Download: mod edit: link removed
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from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001469
Hmm, I wonder why they were closed. Maybe I am just a master of deduction.
muyoso said:
Maybe its just me, but I really didn't need an explanation to figure it out.
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I'm sure it's not just you.
But then, I didn't, and I'm certain there are plenty of others like me too.
What I don't get is the (seeming) arrogance of some in the former camp that lack the basic civility to understand that both outcomes are entirely reasonable, and that intelligent, competent members of the community can arrive at either conclusion.
By "seeming arrogance" I refer to meaningless statements like, "Maybe it's just me", where the intended meaning is culturally well-established, and in my 49 years of life has never -- not once -- been said with any intent other than to denigrate others.
But then, maybe that's just me...
Mammon, Randy, et. al.: I have a suggestion for how to solve this problem.
Post a link to the Wiki, as you've done before, and then put the link to the "offending" site there, instead of a direct download.
I believe that would satisfy the Forum Rules, but of course defer to the moderators. Would any of them -- particularly scotsman -- care to weigh in?
What he needs to do is set it up like midnite rom. How he offers the rom on both sites and keeps the main support at his site and add ons. But that type of stuff irritates me. Just offer all of it here. I hate having to be redirected to another site.
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I was going to try midnight, but I couldn't even find the rom to download. direct downloads really are best, especially from the phone perspective.
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What he needs to do is set it up like midnite rom. How he offers the rom on both sites and keeps the main support at his site and add ons. But that type of stuff irritates me. Just offer all of it here. I hate having to be redirected to another site.
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Hi there,
Does anyone have any info as to when dft will release there update. I have been waiting (like all of us) for a while now with no updates from the team.
W3X
w3x said:
Hi there,
Does anyone have any info as to when dft will release there update. I have been waiting (like all of us) for a while now with no updates from the team.
W3X
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Uh...hello? Why are you asking this question (as if it hasn't been asked millions of time in other threads)? No one's apparently heard from DFT on their release, otherwise the info would be posted all over the forum! There are at least 3 releases of out there for you to update to NoDo.
Firstly this thread has a misleading topic/title. It reads as a statement when in fact its a question (which will likely annoy a lot of people).
Secondly this thread has no development related content or purpose.
I would suggest the thread is moved to the Q&A sub-forum and re-titled to better reflect the actual content of the thread.
As per my guess they are sold out to microsoft and will no longer be available to us for free updates. they got reward for their hard work. what we could have possibly given them, thanks buttons, beers, a few praising sentences. those can not run anyones' kitchen. still we are thankful for their great work.
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it surely annoyed me.
please all stop making such topics. only option we have is to wait.
sweetdoc said:
As per my guess they are sold out to microsoft and will no longer be available to us for free updates. they got reward for their hard work. what we could have possibly given them, thanks buttons, beers, a few praising sentences. those can not run anyones' kitchen. still we are thankful for their great work.
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I wish I had a dollar for every time I have read on this forum someone writing that they think DFT has sold out to Microsoft, and how many times DFT has come through. I think people tend to forget that the members of DFT have to work at jobs just like you and me to keep the wolf away from the door. It is not like the people on the team have 24 hours a day to work on these devices just for our benefit.
As I work on the public relations side of the ITC industry I know too that companies like HTC and Microsoft are making it harder to work with these devices and get access to things like needed code that is required to work the wonders that DFT creates for us.
People really should have a few more facts before they make blanket statements to the effect that DFT has sold out to Microsoft or some other company.
DFT updates will come out when everything falls into place. Also we should keep in mind that the HTC HD2 is not the only device that DFT works on.
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Firstly this thread has a misleading topic/title. It reads as a statement when in fact its a question (which will likely annoy a lot of people).
Secondly this thread has no development related content or purpose.
I would suggest the thread is moved to the Q&A sub-forum and re-titled to better reflect the actual content of the thread.
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Totally agree!! Misleading title is annoying
k guys,
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