I have both of them at the moment. Bought both. The WiFi indeed have a lighter back cover. The 3G is all black in the back. From the software perspective, very similar, no differences.
You can activate the 3G version via WIFI and not need to have the first month 3G service as some have described in the rumor.
The 3G version comes with a old build, the WiFi is two versions newer. So if you install flash beta on the 3G version, it will ask you to update the build as well. Where as WiFi, no issue with flash install.
Other than the back color and the verizon logo, pretty much identical.
I will post more finding on my post blog - http://mobiletech.knguyentu.com/2011/03/motorola-xoom-wifi-version-initial.html
I'm interested in two things:
1. Max screen brightness: any differences at all? Colors?
2. Battery Life: I'm wondering if the lack of a cell radio in the WiFi only version will help with battery life. With my 3G device I never used the cell radio but it still showed "cell stand-by" using 2%-6% of stand-by battery life. I'm hoping the lack of cell radio will add a little bit of battery life.
Thanks!
Old MuckenMire said:
I'm interested in two things:
1. Max screen brightness: any differences at all? Colors?
2. Battery Life: I'm wondering if the lack of a cell radio in the WiFi only version will help with battery life. With my 3G device I never used the cell radio but it still showed "cell stand-by" using 2%-6% of stand-by battery life. I'm hoping the lack of cell radio will add a little bit of battery life.
Thanks!
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Have you gone into settings and disabled mobile networks?
Steady Hawkin said:
Have you gone into settings and disabled mobile networks?
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Yup.........
Turn on airplane mode, then turn wifi on. That'l actually shut down the 3g radio.
Otherwise the radio wil still be on, you just won't use it.
This is easier if you have widgets that enable/disable certain things. (I use the weather paid widget widgets to do this, but any would work.)
c0t0d0s2 said:
Turn on airplane mode, then turn wifi on. That'l actually shut down the 3g radio.
This is easier if you have widgets that enable/disable certain things. (I use the weather paid widget widgets to do this, but any would work.)
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Well I've already returned my 3G model...just waiting for Amazon to deliver my WiFi model
This is still good advice for those with 3G model and would like a little more battery.
Thanks
You can didable 3g in setting.
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okay man forget the 3G thing I took it back already
1. how is battery life on wifi only compared to 3g version
2. how is the screen. is max brightness the same on wifi? How do colors compare? Side by side screen comparison would be cool to see if there are any differences.
thank you
Any noticeable weight difference or thickness difference? I am wondering if they just took out the PCI modem or substituted a new board.
felt like same weight, same thickness side by side.
i have noticed better color, faster startup from cold boot, better brightness from 3g to wifi
ebpman said:
i have noticed better color, faster startup from cold boot, better brightness from 3g to wifi
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Thank you for the info
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Thank you for the info
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He was pulling your leg. There is virtually no difference in anything except the 3g/4g radio and maybe the color of the back of the device. I have both in my possession. 3g is for me. Wifi is for the wifey.
jdenman03 said:
He was pulling your leg. There is virtually no difference in anything except the 3g/4g radio and maybe the color of the back of the device. I have both in my possession. 3g is for me. Wifi is for the wifey.
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actually he posted the same thing in another thread
here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12444826#post12444826
he sees a difference between the two he had/has
It seems the WiFi version is much more stable than 3G version. From looking at the build, the WiFi is 3 build newer...
WiFi - HWI69
3G - HWI66
that newer version could attribute to more stable USB connection, more snappy usage, and potentially better screen clarity.
Another piece....
3G version is very picky on the USB cable. You need to use the actual USB cable that came with the Motorola Xoom. WiFi version on the other hand, I can use the generic version fine. A cheap $2 one I get at fry's.
I tried on the same PC, so it is not the PC differences.
How about sound quality? Is the wifi only version louder/clearer or the same as 3G version. Thanks
Seems the same to me. They both have stereo hardware.
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It seems the WiFi version is much more stable than 3G version. From looking at the build, the WiFi is 3 build newer...
WiFi - HWI69
3G - HWI66
that newer version could attribute to more stable USB connection, more snappy usage, and potentially better screen clarity.
Another piece....
3G version is very picky on the USB cable. You need to use the actual USB cable that came with the Motorola Xoom. WiFi version on the other hand, I can use the generic version fine. A cheap $2 one I get at fry's.
I tried on the same PC, so it is not the PC differences.
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You do know the latest update for the 3G is HRI66 and NOT HWI66. You have this mixed up.
ericdabbs said:
You do know the latest update for the 3G is HRI66 and NOT HWI66. You have this mixed up.
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Did not know that. Thanks for pointing it out.
I have noticed the same finicky unstableness when it comes to the USB cable. Someout right weirdness too with JUST the cable causing the computer to recognize and attempt to connect to a ghost device. (wierd groundings? bad connections?)
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Hi
I have a Touch 3g...and my mother has Touch viva....
I tested both phone's wifi...and Touch viva's signal strength is much better...!!! at least 50%....
Is there anything wrong with my phone?!?!?!
There is a setting in WiFi settings which is something like this: "Better signal or Battery mode" those are power setting for it.
mirost1 said:
There is a setting in WiFi settings which is something like this: "Better signal or Battery mode" those are power setting for it.
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not that I want to exaggerate....but 3g on best performance is worse that via on balanced and best battery...
it is wierd...............! I can take a picture of both.......showing you the signal strength....I want to know if my device is faulty.....or is this the case for all of jades
hrkh83 said:
not that I want to exaggerate....but 3g on best performance is worse that via on balanced and best battery...
it is wierd...............! I can take a picture of both.......showing you the signal strength....I want to know if my device is faulty.....or is this the case for all of jades
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I also have a Kaiser in the house. Comparing the two, the Kaiser has a stronger reception. Also, 3G does not recognise APs set to B/G/N, only B/G. whereas the Kaiser, despite older model recognises N.
Hi,
I'm starting this thread to collect informations about using the N1 on a HSDPA network. Over the next weeks I'll be posting stats and infos about my experience on a HSDPA network.
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Tips
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Battery optimization
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HSDPA seems to be very hard on the battery, and to get the most of your N1 there will be some sacrifice.
What COULD help:
- Dial *#*#4636#*#* and set the phone to "WCDMA Only" in the phone informations.
- Try the app called "battery refresh" on the android store. It will discharge your phone. Then boot into recovery and wipe your battery stats.
- Install setCPU from the android store (1$) and force it to 245/576 while the phone is standby/sleep (thanks djmcnz)
- there's an app on the appstore called JuiceDefender that allow you to disable APN based on time or your location.
What WILL help
- disable sync (push). This have a MAJOR impact on HSDPA network
- and obliviously set brightness to auto or lowest acceptable value.
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Signal optimization
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So far I've tried two different radio rom, and the older 4.03.00.21_2 seem to offer better signal. So you could try using that one.
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Bandwith optimization
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- If you have a rooted N1, you could try in "spare parts" the hotweiss's Radio mod (in miscellaneous). In my case, there's not difference but still could be worth a try.
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N.B. : Fellow canadians, if you are on Bell or Telus with your N1, your are on a HSDPA network.
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aad4321 said:
i NEED push on my work email at peek times. the sense ui version allows u to turn off push at different times. I would like to see this for the nexus
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You could try JuiceDefender, I think that app does exactly that.
I seem to get alot of network connection errors from market, to internet, and some games that use internet.
I noticed my signal is usally full bars but switches alot between 3G and H (HSDPA)
Are my connections errors due to the switching of 3G and H much like some people have issues with EDGE and 3G switching back and forth in certain spots?
Also that *#*#4636#*#* didn't work. EDIT: nevermind, needs to be done on the stock dialer.
I set my network from WCDMA prefered to WCDMA only. See how that works. EDIT: Still switches from 3G to HSDPA...
Sistum Id said:
I set my network from WCDMA prefered to WCDMA only. See how that works. EDIT: Still switches from 3G to HSDPA...
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I believe this is normal behavior. The 'WCDMA only' option disables EDGE network connections so that you only use the 3G/HSDPA.
Cheers
I hope there is a bug on the N1 radios..Cause I can't last 20hrs with 1hr worth of calls..and small use of internet. Yet other people saying they easily go pass 30hrs with heavy use...liars..
I can still get though a full day, business and pleasure on a single charge using HSDPA, WiFi and making calls... lots of calls.
In an average (16h) day I will be connected via 3G for about 10 of those and WiFi for the remaining six. I make about 180 mins of calls a day, 20% of those using the speaker, I have a feed reader with 20 feeds that update constantly, I listen to music to and form work (20mins + 20mins), I might play a game or two and I often read xda and/or download during the day. Brightness at about 55% fixed.
I charge my phone overnight, every night (have been doing this since my original RAZR anyway).
I have never, ever run out of battery during a given day.
Setting the CPU to min in standby is not a good idea - it needs some headroom to actually complete background tasks and 245 is too low IMHO and will be counter-productive. I suggest 245/576.
If your usage is much above mine then I'm not sure how many marginal tips will be needed before it makes a meaningful difference...
Sistum Id said:
I seem to get alot of network connection errors from market, to internet, and some games that use internet.
I noticed my signal is usally full bars but switches alot between 3G and H (HSDPA)
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I got these errors on T-Mobile as well - since moving over to AT&T with the AT&T version they have completely disappeared.
krohnjw said:
I got these errors on T-Mobile as well - since moving over to AT&T with the AT&T version they have completely disappeared.
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Well I'm not sure but on mine it switch from 3G to H only when I fetch data. Else it stays on 3G.
Nierdal said:
You could try JuiceDefender, I think that app does exactly that.
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Testing Juice Defender now. So far it's an incredible solution to battery drain, if it does what it claims. Will post findings this weekend.
Daswolven said:
Testing Juice Defender now. So far it's an incredible solution to battery drain, if it does what it claims. Will post findings this weekend.
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Yep I'm getting the same results here. Juice Defender is the most effective thing I've tried so far. I'll collecting stats about it right now will post later.
Hi! I have been browsing the Nexus One forums for a while now, but I seem to have a strange problem.
I had a Nexus One that was working fine, but there was a piece of dust under my screen. It switched to HSDPA, and I had none of the issues that I have now. I sent it to HTC, but they didn't want to repair it, because it was rooted. I think they flashed something into the phone, because ever since the internet connection is very buggy. 3G (UMTS) didn't cause any problems then, but now if I hold my hand at the bottom of the nexus, connection indicator lowers (Cell Viewer: ranging from -1 to 8). When I hold the phone up int he air the connection varies between 14 and 24 (UMTS). The phone doesn't switch to HSDPA AT ALL!
I tried the hsxpa-tweak in build.prop, but it didn't help. I am using Cyans latest stable. I have wiped, installed stock, upgraded to cyan again, and tried staying on the stock rom, to no avail.
Is there something really stupid that I am not seeing? Or would it mean that the transporter has damaged my phone antenna by dropping it? :O
What makes you believe you're not getting HSDPA? Have you tested the actual speed of your connection? Keep in mind, on an unrooted Nexus One, your signal indicator will always show 3G even when HSDPA is active. It only shows the H when you're using a custom ROM.
Also, the signal fluctuation when covering the bottom of the phone is well documented at this point. It's normal.
HSDPA is only active when the network deems you need it, it'll just sits on 3G all other times.
Funny..I'm on HSPA all the time when on 3G..never saw UMTS not one. Yet on a cliq I saw UMTS...
j.bruha said:
What makes you believe you're not getting HSDPA? Have you tested the actual speed of your connection? Keep in mind, on an unrooted Nexus One, your signal indicator will always show 3G even when HSDPA is active. It only shows the H when you're using a custom ROM.
Also, the signal fluctuation when covering the bottom of the phone is well documented at this point. It's normal.
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I used Cell Viewer to test signal type. I was consistantly on HSDPA before it got sent in to HTC.
DJFliX said:
Hi! I have been browsing the Nexus One forums for a while now, but I seem to have a strange problem.
I had a Nexus One that was working fine, but there was a piece of dust under my screen. It switched to HSDPA, and I had none of the issues that I have now. I sent it to HTC, but they didn't want to repair it, because it was rooted. I think they flashed something into the phone, because ever since the internet connection is very buggy. 3G (UMTS) didn't cause any problems then, but now if I hold my hand at the bottom of the nexus, connection indicator lowers (Cell Viewer: ranging from -1 to 8). When I hold the phone up int he air the connection varies between 14 and 24 (UMTS). The phone doesn't switch to HSDPA AT ALL!
I tried the hsxpa-tweak in build.prop, but it didn't help. I am using Cyans latest stable. I have wiped, installed stock, upgraded to cyan again, and tried staying on the stock rom, to no avail.
Is there something really stupid that I am not seeing? Or would it mean that the transporter has damaged my phone antenna by dropping it? :O
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Assuming you're in the U.S. and on T-Mobile, the following thread covers this issue:
3G --> H Data problems
Cheers,
Kermee
DJFliX said:
I used Cell Viewer to test signal type. I was consistantly on HSDPA before it got sent in to HTC.
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Also, check which Radio Firmware you have installed now. If you have 32.26.00.24U_4.04.00.03_2 installed, try downgrading to 32.24.00.22U_4.03.00.21_2.
Cheers,
Kermee
Kermee said:
Assuming you're in the U.S. and on T-Mobile, the following thread covers this issue:
3G --> H Data problems
Cheers,
Kermee
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Hmm... I've had a look at that thread, thanks for the pointer!
Too bad I'm in Europe . I changed to US, JAPAN, AUS and EURO, but it didn't help . I'll try the same with the .03 radio. I've flashed both the .03 and .04 radio's before, but not together with the instructions at the end of the mentioned thread.
Hey guys,
I've just switched to the HTC Legend and I absolutely love it so far. Great device and I'm very happy I changed to Android from my brother's old iPhone 3G.
One thing I've noticed, though (like a lot of the phone's reviewers) is the crappy WiFi reception. I expected it to be bad... but not this bad. I have to be either in the next room to the router or upstairs directly above it to get signal above 1 bar, and if i move 10 feet away it cuts out entirely.
Contrast this with the iPhone 3G or even the HTC Touch2 I had last year, which were both able to pick up WiFi from my backyard or the street out front (both 15 meters away from the router). I'm not expecting the power of my laptop's wifi radio, but is there any way to boost the reception on this thing? It's not the end of the world cause I have a fair bit of data included in my plan, but it's nice to do some guilt free youtube surfing around the house without worrying which room I'm in.
Cheers,
Jennan
Simple. Either update your phone's radio firmware or buy a range extender for your router.
Ah, thanks for that. I'm fairly new to smartphones, how would I go about updating my radio firmware?
Cheers
Can anybody help me out? Cheers
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Can anybody help me out? Cheers
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What's your phone's software version number?
I checked the HTC website today and followed the step by step guide to finding out what my software version number. Unfortunately for me, it was up to date, so it looks like this is as good as I'll get Wifi radio wise.
Thanks for your help though
I find the WiFi reception reasonably good. Remember where the WiFi transceiver is positioned (to the left of the camera) and make sure you don't obscure it with your hands. Also, check that your router is not on the same WiFi channel as your neighbours (and ideally about 3 channels clear either side). You can use WiFi analyser from the market to survey your WiFi.
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Just to clarify - that's the left of the camera as viewed from the front of the phone.
Sent from my HTC Legend using XDA App
Get high gain atenna(s) for your router?
boost wifi ?
I have same problem. My previous HTC diamond had much better WIFI reception.
I found here a more recent rom from the one I have and all instructions needed
h**p://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=706435
mind the **
keep in mind that in order to upgrade radio you need to root the phone and doing so you'll invalidate warranty.
That's why I am waiting for Froyo update and then I'll decide if to root or not
A less practical, but theoretically valid solution, would be to take apart your Legend, and add a bigger wifi antenna. Just replace the black bit surrounding the camera, and bolt on a small satellite dish. Point it at the router, you'll be fine.
If you were to use a ROM that let you hold the phone at upside down, and still see the screen "the right way up", that may improve the Wifi reception, it worked with the Network.
I'm using SuperFroyo
As I own 2 tablets
I updated one and compared quickly with the old firmware. here we are LEFT are 3.0.1 and RIGHT are 3.1
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noticed the browser is faster really, on Xda is really a big difference.
noticed the wallpaper picker is better, showing a kind of frame (visibility of the picture on the desktops)
noticed the wifi icons show now the traffic (2 little arrow up and down)
noticed charging battery bugs gone (now updated as should be, no more 1% and unplug and see 100%)
noticed resizable widget (mail, calendar...)
noticed widget weather updated and fixed, now the city is not crop anymore.
noticed a smooth improvement of speed when using globally.
Bugs from old and new
- no auto update of the sdcard content when plugin...
- a small weird bug (text) on the status appear (I got a thai character hahah)
- have to clean data and force stop the ACER CONTENT application, to can launch them (one time only)
Looks good. Thanks for the pictures. Has anyone in the US tried 3.1 with a Verizon aircard? I would like to know if it works OK. Thanks.
Hey is the cell standby still present? It was rumored that this issue will be fixed with update
I have a Verizon Pantech UMW190, connected with a ZyXEL MWR211 and it reports "No update available". Much as it has reported for over a month. I am unwilling to try the hacks to get an update loaded, so I wait... and wait...
Build: Acer_A500_1.104.02_COM_GEN1
Kernel: 2.6.36.3-00001-g9b3ce2b
mippippippi said:
Hey is the cell standby still present? It was rumored that this issue will be fixed with update
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I will see. because on mine still have but low percentage...
I have to see also if I untick the DATA Usage in new setting wireless and network that will get rid about.
but now we see all about phones things (more than before)
preynmantis said:
I have a Verizon Pantech UMW190, connected with a ZyXEL MWR211 and it reports "No update available". Much as it has reported for over a month. I am unwilling to try the hacks to get an update loaded, so I wait... and wait...
Build: Acer_A500_1.104.02_COM_GEN1
Kernel: 2.6.36.3-00001-g9b3ce2b
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I have the same modem, but I want to know if 3.1 supports it directly plugged into the USB port. It would be nice to have native 3G support and then I can downgrade my phone to being a phone. Right now I use it as a wireless hotspot to access the Internet when away from the house. Take care.
dalepl said:
I have the same modem, but I want to know if 3.1 supports it directly plugged into the USB port. It would be nice to have native 3G support and then I can downgrade my phone to being a phone. Right now I use it as a wireless hotspot to access the Internet when away from the house. Take care.
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That would be nice, though I can't imagine how fast the battery on the A500 would drain down powering the USB modem at the same time...
That said, this router is really good. Wireless N support, battery operation for 2 hours if needed. Also can be used to make a hotspot with any other USB stick or even share out a DSL or other wired LAN. Well worth the $50 I paid for it.
Thanks for the pics.
Does 3.1 have Handwriting Input for Traditional Chinese? Can you look under the XT9 input settings?
Interesting how the kernel version is still the same.
sanaell said:
I will see. because on mine still have but low percentage...
I have to see also if I untick the DATA Usage in new setting wireless and network that will get rid about.
but now we see all about phones things (more than before)
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Hi,
yes, cell standby is still visible.
Christian
I doubt that CELL Standby use that much battery that people think...
my tablet stand for 8 hours (average time) with regular usage, wifi on, and play game as well...
Watching a movie : 2hrs use arround 20% of battery before the update so I can watch plenty of movie (10 hours roughtly)