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What if moto is waiting for bootloader to get unlocked

what if moto is waiting for unlocked bootloader to give out hsupa update? Think about to what if they made the bootloader locked so people could unlock the bootloader and they could use a new encryption with the update to relock it. This would be smart because if we unlock the bootloader and they make an update we wouldnt update it would be no point because we could get what ever we want with the phone through roms. but if the bootloader is broken and then they come out with HSPUA after then we would still need to update just because. Maybe devs know thhat and thats why they want to keep bootloader info under wraps and they assassinate anyone who leaks bootloader info because its a chess game between them and moto.... just a fun Easter conspiracy theory

Well.... i've been assuming for quite some time now that maybe it's actually AT&T that has their hands in Motorola keeping the bootloader locked due to AT&T supposedly wanting to test their HSUPA network to make sure it will be able to handle the massive influx of smartphones before they enable it on the newer phones. That would kinda make sense since if the bootloader were unlocked, people could just find a way around it and use HSUPA anyway. Whether or not that's the case is anyone's guess.

Very good theory you got there... :d

elementaldragon said:
Well.... i've been assuming for quite some time now that maybe it's actually AT&T that has their hands in Motorola keeping the bootloader locked due to AT&T supposedly wanting to test their HSUPA network to make sure it will be able to handle the massive influx of smartphones before they enable it on the newer phones. That would kinda make sense since if the bootloader were unlocked, people could just find a way around it and use HSUPA anyway. Whether or not that's the case is anyone's guess.
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the inspire gotta unlocked bootloader and no HSUPA right?

frankiedizzle87 said:
the inspire gotta unlocked bootloader and no HSUPA right?
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Ya they do, just have to flash the Telus radio.
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We are a minority among the majority of atrix users. Many users are just people who buy it for use as a phone and not to mod it.
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Garrenteed they aren't, once we crack this bootloader we can enable faster upload speeds ourselves.
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Im att telus doesn't work on att right
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sifon187 said:
We are a minority among the majority of atrix users. Many users are just people who buy it for use as a phone and not to mod it.
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True. But last I heard the phone isn't selling well D: .. No?
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i don't think the unlock BL can be fixed by moto.. as it's more like a hardware basis job which moto's android software update can not do anything to the bootloader.
for sure there will be more problems come out after the BL is unlocked,like: moto block the way of unlock in future updates; how to find the drivers for future android that moto will not provide.
but first of all,, bootloader need to be unlock and we can worry about all other things later.

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True. But last I heard the phone isn't selling well D: .. No?
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this is because the atrix has been released only in 2 or 3 countries.

this thread makes me chuckle. wait for us to crack it and then patch it? Ha. I mean sure that works for root, but the bootloader? The DroidX has been on sale since July of last year, and that hasn't been cracked, what makes you think we'll have more luck with this phone?
plus it was AT&T taht promised the HSUPA update. If motoroloa was holding it off for their own personal reasons that would have to piss off AT&T since it means more bad press for them.

If the bootloader was cracked and hsupa was out dont u think the devs would be able to package everything together. And what idiot would update their unlocked phone knowing that the bootloader was going to be relocked. I agree with cegna....the dx has been out for sometime and the bootloader has not been cracked. There are prob more dx devs than atrix devs working on it also. If moto hadnt done a good job putting this phone together it def would have gone back already
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having a locked bootloader gives me anxiety :|

So what the OP is saying is that we are never going to get an hsupa update. See what I did there?

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If the bootloader was cracked and hsupa was out dont u think the devs would be able to package everything together. And what idiot would update their unlocked phone knowing that the bootloader was going to be relocked. I agree with cegna....the dx has been out for sometime and the bootloader has not been cracked. There are prob more dx devs than atrix devs working on it also. If moto hadnt done a good job putting this phone together it def would have gone back already
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Uuuuuum the atrix has the best damn few devs in the world!!!!! That's why. Does the Droid x have other stuff we have like pseudo Rome?
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So what the OP is saying is that we are never going to get an hsupa update. See what I did there?
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Yep I see what u did. Slander.
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frankiedizzle87 said:
Uuuuuum the atrix has the best damn few devs in the world!!!!! That's why. Does the Droid x have other stuff we have like pseudo Rome?
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Yeah they have deblurred ones and a real gingerblur with android 2.3.
Do your research first.
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cegna09 said:
this thread makes me chuckle. wait for us to crack it and then patch it? Ha. I mean sure that works for root, but the bootloader? The DroidX has been on sale since July of last year, and that hasn't been cracked, what makes you think we'll have more luck with this phone?
plus it was AT&T taht promised the HSUPA update. If motoroloa was holding it off for their own personal reasons that would have to piss off AT&T since it means more bad press for them.
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Droid x bootloader has been cracked

sgtmedeiros said:
Yeah they have deblurred ones and a real gingerblur with android 2.3.
Do your research first.
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What do u mean do my research first.... I asked a question and the only reason they've have 2.3 is cause it was leaked.... if we had a 2.3 leak We would have one too
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I9000M gingerbread update.

Does anyone know when the Bell Galaxys are going to get the update. I looked everywhere for any info on the date, but couldn't find anything...
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This month?
I heard by the end of the month but don't get your hopes up to high. Were talking about Bell here.

Just go custom rom. I've been running gingerbread on bell for the past two months.

I kind of don't want to send my phone 3rd time for a repair... I've heard that a 'Bell-friendly' bootloader prevents the sd from corrupting. That's why I stick to kc1...
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irid said:
I kind of don't want to send my phone 3rd time for a repair... I've heard that a 'Bell-friendly' bootloader prevents the sd from corrupting. That's why I stick to kc1...
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Although that's been widely speculated, I don't think there's any proof of that.
More likely the failures were due to bad hardware manufactured before December 2010. But no one knows for sure.
No problem with the Gingerbread bootloader for me after a month.
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I have a Bell Vibrant I got on release day in August. Manufacture date is 07/10 and I have flashed it numerous times with very few issues. I have Darky 10.1 right now and all is well. Just luck of the draw I guess.
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I had a few of them die on me, it was the original secondary boot loader that was causing the issue. I've had no problems since then. I'm running Darky's 10.1 on my phone the last week and it's been pretty good. There are a few very minor bugs compared to 9.5 but generally it's very smooth.
Oh and BTW, I've flashed at least 5 bell phones with darky's 9.x and had them running for months without dying.

Ok, last question - does superoneclick root jvo? Root is a must for me, but I don't wanna flash rooted kernel (I've got trust issues, I know )...
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hansonator said:
I have a Bell Vibrant I got on release day in August. Manufacture date is 07/10 and I have flashed it numerous times with very few issues. I have Darky 10.1 right now and all is well. Just luck of the draw I guess.
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Im the same... been using/flashing since that first weekend in August.. and not a problem at all yet.. Same with my wifes phone.. Manufactured 10.07 Guess we were part of the lucky few... (Bought at Best Buy)... Currently using JVO with 850 enabled JVO modem and KC1 CSC
As for root.. I flashed CF 3.2 and it works great..

xpirozx said:
Im the same... been using/flashing since that first weekend in August.. and not a problem at all yet.. Same with my wifes phone.. Manufactured 10.07 Guess we were part of the lucky few... (Bought at Best Buy)... Currently using JVO with 850 enabled JVO modem and KC1 CSC
As for root.. I flashed CF 3.2 and it works great..
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No ****, got mine at Best Buy too. Maybe they got all the non defective ones. I used the $75 gift card for a 16GB micro sd.
To be fair though, I didn't flash mine until after bootloader update, all the corrupt sd's I read about on here scared the piss out of me.
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I am running JVO now with Chainfire's CF Root but checked last night using my fiance's phone and noticed that there was a Kies update dated 28-05-2011; so, keep your fingers crossed that a new firmware version will be release really soon!

if that is Ginger for you guys can you post the modem file?

Sorry for the confusion but it was only Kies that got the update; so, no Gingerbread for I9000M as yet...

Ok I am gonna state this once and only once. I have cleaned up the thread and will be looking into past posts as well. This type of talk will not be tolerated on XDA. If you feel the need to insult each other and Calling people names, well maybe you should find somewhere else to do it. I am gonna give a warning here as normally I would just you on a vaca. Take this as my only warning. Swearing and insults will not be tolerated

Thanx, Zelendel,
I know I overreacted. But I just couldn't leave the guy's insult without an answer. The guy is a bully and bullies understand only one language.
If you read his old posts, you'll get what I mean!
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So, back to the actual topic, has anyone any new info on when this will be released? I've talked to a couple Bell employees, One of which had no idea, while the other said it was out already (probably thought KC1 was 2.3). Anyway, any news?

Based on previous updates very late, why not use a custom rom and kernel now, why wait?
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lgsshedden said:
Based on previous updates very late, why not use a custom rom and kernel now, why wait?
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We got 2.2 about a month to a month and a half after the initial release in the Nordic Regions. I suspect the same with this one. So around mid-June to early July but it's a guess.

If by 'Bell employee' you mean the retail shop employees, they have no idea... I asked a couple of them back in November about the froyo update and each told a different story.
I am affraid that this time we'll get the update very late. I think they will try to make 100% sure not to get into the 'december crisis' again.
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[Q] 3.2 update for 3g users

Anyone have a clue as to when 3G Xooms will get their update?

Late summer is what I got. And it may have to be done with the lte upgrade. Which sucks.
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It will come as soon as Verizon f's it up enough.

The real answer is that nobody knows outside Google/Verizon/Motorola, and they're not going to announce until right before rollout.

I check regardless
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RadDudeTommy said:
I check regardless
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Me too. At least twice a day.

hammer4203 said:
And it may have to be done with the lte upgrade.
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Is there any actual evidence of this? From what I gathered, a couple of people just made blind assumptions about this and it started rolling from there. I have never heard of an update having to be done physically by a carrier or oem, and it just seems like a bad idea. I can guarantee that not everyone will be sending in their Xoom for the 4g upgrade as well. This just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not aiming this at you, or calling you out personally, but this just seems highly unlikely to me and I won't be too happy if it is true, and wanted to know if there was any reason to give this rumor any merit, or if it can be brushed off.
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The sd card works good under root. I have no real use for 4g on my tablet. I really hate sending this thing off. Plus I use wifi as my primary data source. Data is backup if I need it.
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Is there any actual evidence of this? From what I gathered, a couple of people just made blind assumptions about this and it started rolling from there. I have never heard of an update having to be done physically by a carrier or oem, and it just seems like a bad idea. I can guarantee that not everyone will be sending in their Xoom for the 4g upgrade as well. This just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not aiming this at you, or calling you out personally, but this just seems highly unlikely to me and I won't be too happy if it is true, and wanted to know if there was any reason to give this rumor any merit, or if it can be brushed off.
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It especially doesn't make any sense considering that many Xooms (like my own) are encrypted, and the tech couldn't even boot fully to test the update.

If your encrypted how are they going to test that the 4g module is working in your xoom?
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hammer4203 said:
If your encrypted how are they going to test that the 4g module is working in your xoom?
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In the verizon xoom upgrade "getting ready guide", they tell you you can optionally encrypt your Xoom before sending it in. I imagine they will be able to boot into the os, just like a fresh ROM. So I'm sure they will be able to test 4g, as well as the software update. But I still highly doubt this is how the update will be done. Guess I've seen both carriers & oem's do dumber things, I just hope it's not the case! I expect an ota just like every other update.
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ZanshinG1 said:
It especially doesn't make any sense considering that many Xooms (like my own) are encrypted, and the tech couldn't even boot fully to test the update.
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You expect them to test? Most likely this will be an assembly line function. Any required updates will occur either on next boot with connection, or be installed via some kind of assembly line flash similar to first assembly, needing to be completed by user on first boot. It makes more sense for the update to be in 2 parts, with os update plus introduction of software, then the hardware change out.
Having a tech man handle each device for software, is too expensive and risky. I personally expect to see email saying backup your data, because a wipe will be required

hammer4203 said:
If your encrypted how are they going to test that the 4g module is working in your xoom?
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I'd imagine they don't need to. The module has been QA tested, and it's a simple matter of plugging it into a mini-PCI slot.

Well if the design is as I'm thinking the 2 are seperate. I rooted and found I have not lost my Google movies and have just gain SD support. Funny how the stock root works fine, but yet others have lost wifi, market stuff, etc. I am going to request the module be shipped to me. I can't afford to be down 7 days for that. I will be more than happy to sign a waiver to release moto if I screw up. In fact they are going to get more support from me anyway. My wife loves the fact that my xoom is performing so well. Now I have to by her one! And she hates moto. This has been the best work/play device for me yet!
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Team Tiamat to the Rescue
Tiamat 2.0 (Manta Ray) was released last night and includes their custom version of HC 3.2 and 3G support. If you are already rooted and can't wait for Google and Motoroal and feedback so far is pretty good. I am a wifi only user so I am only reporting what I have read.

macarmody said:
Tiamat 2.0 (Manta Ray) was released last night and includes their custom version of HC 3.2 and 3G support. If you are already rooted and can't wait for Google and Motoroal and feedback so far is pretty good. I am a wifi only user so I am only reporting what I have read.
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No problems yet. Even the Storage section of Settings seems to report the correct size and usage of internal and SD card storage.
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Any other Sprint users hoping for 4.0.4 today?

4.0.4 on 04/04 would have a nice ring to it. It appears like it's ready to go too. I'm just hoping that they don't wait until the Galaxy Nexus hits shelves to update the NS4G.

I'd have to admit, it would be clever; but with how much of a struggle to get ICS on NS4G has been I strongly believe its unlikely.

Not really since I already have it via CM9.....True Story.

david279 said:
Not really since I already have it via CM9.....True Story.
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Bugless Beast is on mine. I'm more hoping for the release for all my friends who do not want to root.

I have a sprint cdma ns4g and I got an 4.04. Update 2 weeks ago. No root and no mods for it. Its legit. No ROM
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CooLoserTech said:
I have a sprint cdma ns4g and I got an 4.04. Update 2 weeks ago. No root and no mods for it. Its legit. No ROM
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lies

I want next years tax refunds today! Who's with me?
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CooLoserTech said:
I have a sprint cdma ns4g and I got an 4.04. Update 2 weeks ago. No root and no mods for it. Its legit. No ROM
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Bull****...
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The is a thread in development section for ns4g, Titled *official* where you can install stock unrooted 4.0.4 version and even keep the bootloader locked...
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Hmmm already running 4.0.4 not seeing the need to have sprint push an ota
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I just want an official radio from Sprint.

I'm hoping for the OTA soon so that when I take my stock 4.0.4 NS4G in for repair they don't ask me a bunch of questions. USB port is giving out and I was afraid if I let it get too far it'd break enough that I wouldn't be able to unroot and lock the bootloader. But I refuse to go back to GB
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Seriously, I hope it's this week because this is getting a bit ridiculous. I too want to take my phone for some servicing lol but I have BB 4/3 installed. I am sure if I just lock the bootloader and have BB Sprint will never realize it's a custom ROM

Sprint not gonna give two ****s if its unlocked and rooted take that **** in for service already...its a dev phone u supposed to run customs...
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b1337 said:
Sprint not gonna give two ****s if its unlocked and rooted take that **** in for service already...its a dev phone u supposed to run customs...
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Actually they will care. And it isn't a "dev" phone. Google doesn't support CDMA devices any longer and the Sprint version was never considered a dev phone. Btw, there's no problem flashing stock GB on the device and locking the bootloader. You can do that in 10 minutes and take it back to Sprint.

b1337 said:
Sprint not gonna give two ****s if its unlocked and rooted take that **** in for service already...its a dev phone u supposed to run customs...
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Officially they do. Many individual reps may not care but I see no reason to risk it.
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Actually they will care. And it isn't a "dev" phone. Google doesn't support CDMA devices any longer and the Sprint version was never considered a dev phone. Btw, there's no problem flashing stock GB on the device and locking the bootloader. You can do that in 10 minutes and take it back to Sprint.
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And I know I could go back to GB but honestly I'm kinda bored of crack flashing. After a couple years of it I'm bored of backing up and restoring and doing clean installs, flashing the new new ROMs and spending more time messing with my phone than actually using it. Stock 4.0.4 meets all of my needs without having to root or mod. I'd like to see what it's like to stay on one ROM for a while. I'm sure I'll change my mind once CM9 starts adding in new features though
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EDIT: And now I don't have to worry at all, the 4.0.4 OTA is finally official

System updates is not available.

When going to do the KitKat update after freshly sbf'ing to stock I am greeted with a prompt(when I go to settings>about phone>system update) that says the following; "System updates is not available without a Motorola service account". It asks me if I want to set up an account and when I try it just has a spinning circle that never goes away. I am on 9.30.1. I have tried a factory reset multiple times with no success. Any ideas on a fix?

Perhaps someone will pull the official update from their cache and you could apply in the same manner as the soak test leak
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Perhaps someone will pull the official update from their cache and you could apply in the same manner as the soak test leak
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Someone else has the same exact problem at the moment. I'm thinking its a problem with motorolas servers
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Look over in the development section. Someone has posted the update.zip if your somewhat technically inclined it's not too bad to install
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AKShotgun said:
Someone else has the same exact problem at the moment. I'm thinking its a problem with motorolas servers
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I do! I even had the phone into the Verizon store today and they played with it for about an hour (near as I can tell, they didn't do anything I hadn't already tried). The consensus was that I needed a new phone, so they are going to overnight a new phone out to me.

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I do! I even had the phone into the Verizon store today and they played with it for about an hour (near as I can tell, they didn't do anything I hadn't already tried). The consensus was that I needed a new phone, so they are going to overnight a new phone out to me.
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Really?!?! That's a little excessive. I really think its just a problem on Motorola's end if everyone is suddenly getting this problem.
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AKShotgun said:
Really?!?! That's a little excessive. I really think its just a problem on Motorola's end if everyone is suddenly getting this problem.
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No arguments here, but if I get a refurbished phone out of the deal, why not?

dcviper said:
No arguments here, but if I get a refurbished phone out of the deal, why not?
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i am getting no update available at this time, do you have to have a strong wifi connection e.g. broadband vs. ****ty iphone hotspot that maxes out at like a hundred and fifty k

Mine now said there is an update available so I hit download and nothing happened. Nothing downloaded. I want my KK
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Okay I have bad news. I just got off the phone with a tech support agent at Motorola. They asked for my IMEI, I gave it to them and they told me they could tell i was rooted(which is funny because I'M ACTUALLY NOT ) and that the Motorola servers don't push updates to rooted phones. makes me question a lot because when i was actually rooted i got the update, but now that i'm not i don't? This is a mess. I just want my update.

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Okay I have bad news. I just got off the phone with a tech support agent at Motorola. They asked for my IMEI, I gave it to them and they told me they could tell i was rooted(which is funny because I'M ACTUALLY NOT ) and that the Motorola servers don't push updates to rooted phones. makes me question a lot because when i was actually rooted i got the update, but now that i'm not i don't? This is a mess. I just want my update.
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Well after that post I just unrooted my phone and voila...the "Update not available" Message ist gone and now I get an "your phone is up to date..." message.....God damnit

I can confirm that now update kitkat already work, yesterday the server down

i can confirm as well
furkonhesti said:
I can confirm that now update kitkat already work, yesterday the server down
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i can confirm as well i was able to update today. sucessfully