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I just saw on the news that Andriod has surpassed iOS and blackberry's OS for most used OS on smartphones.
Congrats to google and all of the awesome devs that made me want to get an android phone!
Edit: My news channel sucks, after reading up on it, the report that was released showed Android as being the most popular purchased in the last six months. While not quite as impressive, it looks like we're making headway on Apple and Blackberry.
FattySparks said:
I just saw on the news that Andriod has surpassed iOS and blackberry's OS for most used OS on smartphones.
Congrats to google and all of the awesome devs that made me want to get an android phone!
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Not really. It just became the most bought. Blackberry/iPhone is still #1/#2 in the US by about 10-12% (~31/28/19% - BB/iPhone/Android). Internationally (where the iPhone is available on multiple carriers) the gap is bigger. It's definitely growing though.
Edit: Just to be clearer, the numbers show that in the US people are leaving Blackberry, the iPhone is staying pretty constant, and Android is growing. So it looks like Blackberry (probably from Verizon/Sprint/T-Mo) users are moving to Android. And if Verizon gets the rumored CDMA iPhone (which is available in China now), it'll probably change the dynamics (Verizon Blackberry/Android users => iPhone) since iPhone retention among users is really, really high.
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FattySparks said:
Ok, so if it is the most bought, then doesn't that mean that more people have it than any other OS????
Cuz I'm pretty sure that's what I said and what you said.....
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The iPhone has been selling like crazy for years now. It's base of users are much larger than Androids. Right now the iPhone stands at 28% of the US market share, Android is at 19%. People have recently started buying more Android phones than any other type of phone, so it's still less but it's growing. Get it?
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Not necessarily, being most bought doesn't make it the most used, it just means it's growing. You can have 2 million BB users, 1 million iOS users and 500K Android users. Android is selling 3/day, iOS 2/day and BB 1/day. While Android is growing the quickest, it's still third in the smart phone market.
And if Verizon gets the rumored CDMA iPhone (which is available in China now) said:
Like most Apple products, they lock you into their ecosystem and sink their teeth into your wallet. Once you sell your soul to Stevie, it's tough to get it back.
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Like most Apple products, they lock you into their ecosystem and sink their teeth into your wallet. Once you sell your soul to Stevie, it's tough to get it back.
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Oh so you mean I can transfer my Android apps to a iPhone/WebOS/Blackberry? Nice!!
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Like most Apple products, they lock you into their ecosystem and sink their teeth into your wallet. Once you sell your soul to Stevie, it's tough to get it back.
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+1. Steve jobs and apple are really good at raping the customers in the wallet yet they willingly let it happen. I don't call their customers fanboys anymore, I prefer the term mindless zombie.
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Oh so you mean I can transfer my Android apps to a iPhone/WebOS/Blackberry? Nice!!
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Good luck trying to transfer anything non-apple to an iphone without having to use itunes at least once. I highly doubt android apps would be allowed onto an iphone let alone work correctly.
lovethyEVO said:
Good luck trying to transfer anything non-apple to an iphone without having to use itunes at least once. I highly doubt android apps would be allowed onto an iphone let alone work correctly.
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Ever heard of Doubletwist? That's my point, use one platform and you get locked in unless you want to abandon all your paid apps.
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Oh so you mean I can transfer my Android apps to a iPhone/WebOS/Blackberry? Nice!!
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Well no, (yes) but you can transfer it to a wide variety of hardware manufacturers and carriers.
For instance, here is an incomplete list of where you can take your apps either now, or in the future.
Acer
Alcatel
Apple (oh right, android works on the iphone too)
ARCHOS
ASUS
Dell
Garmin
HP
HTC
Kyocera
Lenovo
LG
Motorola
MSI
Nokia
Panasonic
Philips
Samsung
Sharp
Sony Ericsson
ZTE
Or you can take your iOS apps to the following places:
Apple
Award Tour said:
Oh so you mean I can transfer my Android apps to a iPhone/WebOS/Blackberry? Nice!!
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that made no sense based off what you quoted him from
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Ever heard of Doubletwist? That's my point, use one platform and you get locked in unless you want to abandon all your paid apps.
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I still prefer android over anything apple even considering the paid apps. The android market is still growing and eventually there will be some sort of quality control much like how apple does their market.
As for paid apps, it's no different than buying games on an old phone and then not being able to use them anymore after getting a different phone.
Also, you can't beat the 24 hour refund period. I don't backup paid apps and then refund but it has saved me money refunding apps that did something I could already do. Bettercut is a recent example. My wife wanted to use some icons from the market but it couldn't be used without bettercut. The icons were free but not the app. I just hit refund and showed her how to use custom icons through launcherpro.
Apple doesn't do that. In fact, I remember when the apple market first came out an app was sold for $5+ and it was nothing more than a red button that did nothing. People literally got robbed on that one.
Yay another thread about how Apple does everything wrong and Android does everything right./s
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Well no, (yes) but you can transfer it to a wide variety of hardware manufacturers and carriers.
For instance, here is an incomplete list of where you can take your apps either now, or in the future.
Acer
Alcatel
Apple (oh right, android works on the iphone too)
ARCHOS
ASUS
Dell
Garmin
HP
HTC
Kyocera
Lenovo
LG
Motorola
MSI
Nokia
Panasonic
Philips
Samsung
Sharp
Sony Ericsson
ZTE
Or you can take your iOS apps to the following places:
Apple
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It's still the same ecosystem. My point is that you'll still be locked into Android. Its the way things work.
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You must be referring to this article:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/android-is-numero-uno-among-us-phone-buyers-over-the-last-six-mo/
This is just for the last 6 months by the way.
lovethyEVO said:
I still prefer android over anything apple even considering the paid apps. The android market is still growing and eventually there will be some sort of quality control much like how apple does their market.
As for paid apps, it's no different than buying games on an old phone and then not being able to use them anymore after getting a different phone.
Also, you can't beat the 24 hour refund period. I don't backup paid apps and then refund but it has saved me money refunding apps that did something I could already do. Bettercut is a recent example. My wife wanted to use some icons from the market but it couldn't be used without bettercut. The icons were free but not the app. I just hit refund and showed her how to use custom icons through launcherpro.
Apple doesn't do that. In fact, I remember when the apple market first came out an app was sold for $5+ and it was nothing more than a red button that did nothing. People literally got robbed on that one.
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you mean this:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008/08/iphone-i-am-ric.html
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Yay another thread about how Apple does everything wrong and Android does everything right./s
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Yes, you are in an android forum.
And if you don't like it, then quit trolling and move on.
akarol said:
You must be referring to this article:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/android-is-numero-uno-among-us-phone-buyers-over-the-last-six-mo/
This is just for the last 6 months by the way.
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Read the OP all of the way.
Last-Chance said:
you mean this:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008/08/iphone-i-am-ric.html
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That's the one. I didn't want to quote the actual price since spending more than $5 on a useless app is dumb enough, I tried to downplay it a bit. But that is the one I was referring to. Thanks for the link.
Award Tour said:
It's still the same ecosystem. My point is that you'll still be locked into Android. Its the way things work.
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It might be the same OS but the selection is HUGE compared to Apples. Like the guy was saying, you have 10+ carriers with android; motorola, HTC, and samsung all use custom UI's. The processors, internal memory, ram and other hardware features can all be changed over different makers on the changeable OS.
For the iOS you have Apple, old version with an old UI and one with a slightly new UI. Which will probably stay the same over the coming years. There is no other company making the phone so what it comes with is what you get and the OS wont come any different (customized) then the other Apple phones being released. That is until they release another version.
Alright, I don't know how many threads there are on this, but I'm here just give my 2 cents. I don't own an Nexus S (but am hoping to buy one next week!).
Why Google went to Samsung for this phone:
Most importantly the screen. Obviously Android's main competitor here is Apple and the iPhone. Right now, the only 2 displays that really stand out in the market are the Retina Display, and the sAMOLED from Samsung. Samsung already has the technology and resources to create their competitive Super AMOLED screen, making them perfect for Google's need to compete with the RD.
The GPUs Samsung uses. Another reason why Apple is doing so well is because of the Appstore, and more specifically, the vast amount of games available on it. Gingerbread makes game-developing for android devs more extensive, and with the extremely capable GPUs Samsung is pumping out (GPUs better than that of the iPhone), it makes it a great manufacturer for Google to partner with to show their commitment to gaming.
Samsung's use of the Hummingbird. Google understands that it is more efficient than the Snapdragons, and is showing all manufacturers that Android will start to be shaped around the Hummingbird.
To show its diversity with manufacturers.
I don't think HTC was particularly interested in doing another "Nexus" phone.
Recognize Samsung for its commitment to Android
At the core though, it is all about competing with Apple. Google really needed to put something out there to compete with the iPhone 4 (with the FFC, processor, smoother OS, and gaming), a phone that won't be upgraded for 7-8 months. Yeah there were a lot of facepalms about this device (lack of the microSD slot, no HD recording, etc.), but other than that, this is the best Google can really do at this point. Google has released 2 Nexus phones within one year, so we can be sure that another one will be seen soon, to counter the iPhone 5.
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Alright, I don't know how many threads there are on this, but I'm here just give my 2 cents. I don't own an Nexus S (but am hoping to buy one next week!).
Why Google went to Samsung for this phone:
Most importantly the screen. Obviously Android's main competitor here is Apple and the iPhone. Right now, the only 2 displays that really stand out in the market are the Retina Display, and the sAMOLED from Samsung. Samsung already has the technology and resources to create their competitive Super AMOLED screen, making them perfect for Google's need to compete with the RD.
The GPUs Samsung uses. Another reason why Apple is doing so well is because of the Appstore, and more specifically, the vast amount of games available on it. Gingerbread makes game-developing for android devs more extensive, and with the extremely capable GPUs Samsung is pumping out (GPUs better than that of the iPhone), it makes it a great manufacturer for Google to partner with to show their commitment to gaming.
Samsung's use of the Hummingbird. Google understands that it is more efficient than the Snapdragons, and is showing all manufacturers that Android will start to be shaped around the Hummingbird.
To show its diversity.
I don't think HTC was particularly interested in doing another "Nexus" phone.
Recognize Samsung for its commitment to Android
At the core though, it is all about competing with Apple. Google really needed to put something out there to compete with the iPhone 4 (with the FFC, processor, smoother OS, and gaming), a phone that won't be upgraded for 7-8 months. Yeah there were a lot of facepalms about this device (lack of the microSD slot, no HD recording, etc.), but other than that, this is the best Google can really do at this point. Google has released 2 Nexus phones within one year, so we can be sure that another one will be seen soon, to counter the iPhone 5.
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I dont think its about competing with apple as much as it is showcasing the latest and greatest of the Android OS
slowz3r said:
I dont think its about competing with apple as much as it is showcasing the latest and greatest of the Android OS
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it's always about competing with Apple. They showcasing the latest and greatest of Android, to show consumers why they should buy Android phones over other phones (such as the iPhone).
Thank for opening a brand new thread for things being discussed time n time again since last couple of months You observations are warm heartedly welcomed
nearblack said:
it's always about competing with Apple. They showcasing the latest and greatest of Android, to show consumers why they should buy Android phones over other phones (such as the iPhone).
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if it truly was about competition Google would pull all the google apps off the Appstore
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if it truly was about competition Google would pull all the google apps off the Appstore
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it's all about the bottom line. they put their apps on the appstore to spread their brand name. and, the google apps on the appstore don't have all the features that they do on android, and always get updated later.
nearblack said:
it's all about the bottom line. they put their apps on the appstore to spread their brand name. and, the google apps on the appstore don't have all the features that they do on android, and always get updated later.
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i think to truly compete with apple google needs to brand their own hardware, and what i mean by that is Not have any type of other company branding, no Samsung, no HTC none of that just Google Nexus
slowz3r said:
i think to truly compete with apple google needs to brand their own hardware, and what i mean by that is Not have any type of other company branding, no Samsung, no HTC none of that just Google Nexus
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agreed. But I don't think Google plans on doing that anytime soon
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agreed. But I don't think Google plans on doing that anytime soon
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ya sadly
Also there needs to be more exposure of the Android brand, people know Android as "droid" thanks to damn people at verizon
Who says Samsung didn't approach Google?
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i think to truly compete with apple google needs to brand their own hardware, and what i mean by that is Not have any type of other company branding, no Samsung, no HTC none of that just Google Nexus
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Well if they just made it Google Nexus than i don't think Samsung or HTC or any other manufacturers would want their hardware in it, meaning Google would have to invest millions in factories to produce Google branded hardware. Even if they did all this to produce an actual 'pure (and not just the software)' Nexus it would still sell less than the iPhone because most people going for Android will get something on their current provider because a phone on contract is cheaper than a unlocked phone, whereas iOS seekers only have 1 current phone to go for.
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if it truly was about competition Google would pull all the google apps off the Appstore
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Lolwut?
You're forgetting where Google makes the majority of it's money.
Oh yeah, advertising. Lol. Just because Apple is a competitor to "Google Mobile" doesn't make it a competitor to "Google Search". I use Chrome on my Macbook Air. Are you saying Google should stop supporting OS X as well?
Anderdroid said:
Lolwut?
You're forgetting where Google makes the majority of it's money.
Oh yeah, advertising. Lol. Just because Apple is a competitor to "Google Mobile" doesn't make it a competitor to "Google Search". I use Chrome on my Macbook Air. Are you saying Google should stop supporting OS X as well?
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no, i didnt say anything close to that, what his argument was that Google and Apple are in competition, my response to that was if it was truly a competition why offer some of the hallmarks of Android on an iOS device
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ya sadly
Also there needs to be more exposure of the Android brand, people know Android as "droid" thanks to damn people at verizon
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****, I know! Its so annoying!
Dumbass: "Well howdy do? You using a Droid phone right there"
Me: "No, its an Android phone"
Dumbass: "oh, like them robots they send into space?"
Me: "-_- really?"
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hansmrtn said:
****, I know! Its so annoying!
Dumbass: "Well howdy do? You using a Droid phone right there"
Me: "No, its an Android phone"
Dumbass: "oh, like them robots they send into space?"
Me: "-_- really?"
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First commercial to that i saw with "Andy the Android" was the Evo commercial
slowz3r said:
ya sadly
Also there needs to be more exposure of the Android brand, people know Android as "droid" thanks to damn people at verizon
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I agree. As an example, I have a not-so-knowledgeable friend who has an iPhone. He was envying the Vibrant I had at the time while *****ing about Apple/AT&T. I told him he should just make the switch to Android and his response was that he "couldn't get a Droid because it is only on Verizon."
It took several minutes to explain that Droid is a brand, Android is an OS, and he could in fact switch to an Android powered device without switching carriers.
So many people still see phones like the Captivate, for example, as being an isolated feature-phone instead of being a full-featured smartphone that is part of the Android ecosystem.
It would be nearly impossible to get device manufacturers and carriers to change their advertising game but I really think Google would benefit greatly from a few solid ad campaigns.
As another example, I absolutely blew my aunts mind when I explained that having 4 completely different phones from different manufacturers in the past 2 years was really not a logistical problem because they all run the same OS and all of my apps/settings/messages/etc could easily be moved from one to the other.
Granted, neophytes and morons are always going to be just that, but there are so many people out there who just don't know any better and think that Apple not only invented the smartphone, but that it's a mobile landscape where it's Apple vs. 1000 little guys and some of them happen to be "powered by Google"
</rant> and I apologize for going so far off topic.
I agree with more mass advertising. besides the droid commercials, I havent really seen any manufacturers advertise the Android OS, just their hardware (screen size, 4g)
slowz3r said:
i think to truly compete with apple google needs to brand their own hardware, and what i mean by that is Not have any type of other company branding, no Samsung, no HTC none of that just Google Nexus
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I don't think there's too much wrong with a manufacturer's name on a product as long as it doesn't take center stage. On the front of the Nexus S, there is no carrier logo. That's the biggest and most recognizable branding you'll find on a phone nowadays. The only typed-out words we see are on the back cover, and still it only says Google and Samsung in roughly the same font. I think they did a nice job with keeping the phone "plain" in that regard. Also since Google is square in the middle of the cover, I think most peoples eyes will go to that first.
They chose Samsung for profit ! Look at the quantity of Galaxy S that Samsung sold. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2011/04/video-chat-on-your-android-phone.html
Check it out! Hopefully we'll see this update in our lifetimes on the Vibrant. ;]
most likely not going to happen for our phones. At least not from Samsung .
It will happen, just a matter of time.
I am more curious about their "other surprise" now.
Problem with Android Phones is their delays in updating their OS.
The day all Android phones could virtually get their OS update at the same time would be the day Android rules the smartphone world.
Is it possible to pull the gtalk app from this and see if it will work with Froyo?
Not sure if the new gtalk is dependent on having gingerbread.
Not for us, that's it
s15274n said:
It will happen, just a matter of time.
I am more curious about their "other surprise" now.
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I'm sure it was the nexus s giveaways
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gtalk new version worked fine on my 2.3.3 rom.
nbhnohome said:
Problem with Android Phones is their delays in updating their OS.
The day all Android phones could virtually get their OS update at the same time would be the day Android rules the smartphone world.
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um... at 29% android does RULE the smartphone world, largest single share of the smartphone market.
androids share of the market is growing while the others are falling...
27% apple
27% blackberry
the rest microsoft, nokia, palm...
nbhnohome said:
Problem with Android Phones is their delays in updating their OS.
The day all Android phones could virtually get their OS update at the same time would be the day Android rules the smartphone world.
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Never going to happen. The problem with Android phones is updates have to be filtered through hardware manufacturers. Hardware manufacturers have no interest in updating software for old hardware. In fact, they have a vested interest in the opposite.
OldeCrow said:
um... at 29% android does RULE the smartphone world, largest single share of the smartphone market.
androids share of the market is growing while the others are falling...
27% apple
27% blackberry
the rest microsoft, nokia, palm...
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Quantity over quality is all you posted there. I loves me some android but i'd way rather get guaranteed/scheduled updates that apple hands out. Just saying.
has anyone been able to get their ffc to work with this? I can only get my back cam to work.
Thanks in advance!
im not very confident that we'll get gb, let alone anything else, outside of flashing it yourself
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Quantity over quality is all you posted there. I loves me some android but i'd way rather get guaranteed/scheduled updates that apple hands out. Just saying.
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DEFINATELY.
The only reason Android is growing so fast is because... well..
iOS has 3 devices (generally) Iphone, IPod, IPad in the "smartphone" world correct?
Now think about how many ANDROID has.
A couple hundred no doubt, specially the HTC's lol.
Quality > Quantity
I'll give it to Apple, even though their closed, organization is better than a fragmented market.
Google should be looking forward to handing out all the updates THEMSELVES.
That would make a MAJOR change. Google can only regulate the things, Manufacturers can add w/e crap they want, but carriers can't. There's 1 date for 1 device to get updated, may get delayed but not 9 months delayed, maybe a week or two.
So technically, Apple is ahead of Android.
But just in that aspect, i love Android with all my heart, but thats the problem Android has, and there's a SMALL chance it'll be fixed.
Again,
Quality > Quantity
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WOO HOO NEXUS S GETTIN 2.3.4
WOO HOO WE may GET 2.3!!!
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=252442468100086
We should show that we are all united to help HTC and not let Apple take down the company who make our devices. One of the best Android makers there is in the world currently.
HTC isn't going away. They will just have to pay a bunch of money to Apple and Google said they will help HTC stay in business if that happens.
Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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lol, people are really taking this serious?
HTC isn't going anywhere. They're large enough to take care of themselves and if worst comes to worst they have google backing them and if they're smart, Samsung, Motorola, LG and the empire of android manufacturers will back them up also.
This is only the beginning they're intent is to bring android down they are in the process of sueing everybody.
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lol, people are really taking this serious?
HTC isn't going anywhere. They're large enough to take care of themselves and if worst comes to worst they have google backing them and if they're smart, Samsung, Motorola, LG and the empire of android manufacturers will back them up also.
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I think all of them would rather see a competitor fail. Best case scenario in their mind: HTC sales drop, get hit with more fees per phone, become weak and get sold on the cheap.
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This is only the beginning they're intent is to bring android down they are in the process of sueing everybody.
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squidly, Im a huge fan of your D2 rom, but do you really think Apple can take android down? It wont happen, its already too late. Maybe 3 years ago it could have happened but the lawsuits are too little to late.
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squidly, Im a huge fan of your D2 rom, but do you really think Apple can take android down? It wont happen, its already too late. Maybe 3 years ago it could have happened but the lawsuits are too little to late.
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
IDC WHAT happens to this country. I want to see apple fail today. I want to see the iphone off the market completely. The iphone screams that the owner is an idiot.
Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
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runcool said:
IDC WHAT happens to this country. I want to see apple fail today. I want to see the iphone off the market completely. The iphone screams that the owner is an idiot.
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Based off of your post, I'm pretty sure that I know about a couple of dozen iPhone owners (ie almost every one of them) who clearly smarter than you.
mikeyinid said:
Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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For the same reason - patents.
mikeyinid said:
Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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Well, lets Google.
http://www.businessinsider.com/htc-pays-microsoft-5-per-android-phone-2011-5
Lets see what we have here. We have people that wants Apple (an American company) to fail. We have the same people who wants HTC, LG, Samsung, and etc (all foreign companies) to take down apple. I don't follow the line of reasoning.
I don't like GM cars but I sure don't want them to fail or be underdog to the foreign markets.
I'd rather bug HTC for source code to 2.3.3 update
As for buy american, I agree but I also disagree: https://www.insightcommunity.com/case.php?iid=1333 (move down)
'Buying American' used to mean more than buying an American based company's goods ... mainly product made in America. Or at least for the most part. The two might be based (for the most part), as a whole, in two different regions ... in a way. But they are essentially coming from similar locations, in this case; not America / US.
But, hey ... 'merica! *waves mini flag*
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cmsjr123 said:
Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Apple is having ZERO profitability issues.
http://stocks.investopedia.com/stoc...surd-AAPL-DELL-HPQ-RIMM-NOK-GOOG-PHG0720.aspx
cmsjr123 said:
Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Just wow! Where the hell is it posted that Apple had a loss of profit because of Android? Apple is just pulling a **** move, that is all. Android is NOT a threat to iPhone/iPad sales in the least!!!
Read this
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/21/apple-tops-android-in-enterprise-little-green-robot-still-gunni/
And then this.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/apples-q3-earnings-exceed-estimates-28-57-billion-revenue-7/
Please educate yourself before you talk out of your ass.
Award Tour said:
HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
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At the $5 a handset that HTC is paying MicroShaft, if Apple follows the same model, I don't see that eating too much in HTCs profit margin.
CDKJ said:
At the $5 a handset that HTC is paying MicroShaft, if Apple follows the same model, I don't see that eating too much in HTCs profit margin.
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Lets say that Apple makes it $10 a handset. How much does HTC pay for a WP7 license? I've heard $5-10, that makes it more espensive or equal. But then consider the additional costs: a WP7 license comes with IP protection (HTC is spending a lot of money fighting MS and Apple), then there's QA testing that has to be handled by the OEM, development costs for drivers, and then finally design and development costs for HTC sense. Android itself is free but creating/selling a consumer version of it isn't. Is $10/handset + the additional costs too much? I have no idea but I don't think it helps.
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I think the best response to apple trying to shut down android would be for every android user to file a class action suit against apple to recuperate the money spent on their android phones, I think there would be enough interest to make apple pay attention, maybe just the threat might be enough, who knows....just a thought
So I see this commercial 24/7 but is anyone wondering why it's for the 5x and not the 6p?? Why wouldn't you highlight both?
Because our 6ps will never ship.... Jk [emoji14] Could speculate that Google wants to grab the attention of the low end market. Apple has most of the high end market , price wise, so there's a completely untapped market for the cheapies. Hence pushing a cheaper phone.
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Possible but why not show both so they could should they cover both sides ? I mean it's obvious the 6p is outselling the 5x
I have no solid idea but once again speculation, they may not want to compete with other flagships. Nexus isn't really about selling devices. More like making a statement. Plenty of articles out there talking about this paradigm. So phones with great camera, finger print sensors, and under 400$. Get people to like that hence commercials.
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Well personally I think nexus needs to become about sales. It's what android is and should be
AndreaCristiano said:
So I see this commercial 24/7 but is anyone wondering why it's for the 5x and not the 6p?? Why wouldn't you highlight both?
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Because LG's budget is bigger then a company that tapes and glues up their phones.
6p sells itself
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shook187 said:
Because LG's budget is bigger then a company that tapes and glues up their phones.
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lG didn't make the commercial and your comment about the 6p is childish
AndreaCristiano said:
Well personally I think nexus needs to become about sales. It's what android is and should be
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Lol - Android is all about increasing the value of Google ad services.
More Android/Google services users = more user information = charging more for ads.
That's Google's bread and butter.
Phazmos said:
Lol - Android is all about increasing the value of Google ad services.
More Android/Google services users = more user information = charging more for ads.
That's Google's bread and butter.
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Hence why Nexus should be about sales
Phazmos said:
Lol - Android is all about increasing the value of Google ad services.
More Android/Google services users = more user information = charging more for ads.
That's Google's bread and butter.
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Some people just fail to realize that.
Till a "Nexus" brings features and services that the mass market wants, a Nexus will always be a niche device even with Google's budget.
And with no carrier support even a unlimited advertising budget won't help move units.
AndreaCristiano said:
Hence why Nexus should be about sales
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Android is already on something like 80+% of mobile devices works wide.
Nexus is nothing more than a drop in the bucket.
What I do hope is nexus gets more and more people away from the carrier subsidized model that is still so prevalent - and prove to manufacturers that their skins don't add any value.
I believe that is the real value of nexus.
Phazmos said:
Android is already on something like 80+% of mobile devices works wide.
Nexus is nothing more than a drop in the bucket.
What I do hope is nexus gets more and more people away from the carrier subsidized model that is still so prevalent - and prove to manufacturers that their skins don't add any value.
I believe that is the real value of nexus.
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That 80% means nothing when profits aren't there. Market share is great and easy to get when phones are cheap and OS is basically free. That 80% is what it is and doesn't have bearing on why nexus shouldn't be upper echelon of android
AndreaCristiano said:
That 80% means nothing when profits aren't there. Market share is great and easy to get when phones are cheap and OS is basically free. That 80% is what it is and doesn't have bearing on why nexus shouldn't be upper echelon of android
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I'm afraid you don't understand what Android is about.
Check a couple posts back. The purpose of Android is explained in simple terms.
Phazmos said:
I'm afraid you don't understand what Android is about.
Check a couple posts back. The purpose of Android is explained in simple terms.
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I understand what it's about my friend I have had android since the G1 and have also developed for android. I also understand the way the market works and just pushing out google services on phones doesn't work. If it did Google wouldn't be making all their services available on iPhone as well. People expect certain things. As the consumer gets more educated the product must get better or fail
I'd say it's because the 6P is already selling quite well. The 5x needs a little advertising help.
AndreaCristiano said:
I understand what it's about my friend I have had android since the G1 and have also developed for android. I also understand the way the market works and just pushing out google services on phones doesn't work. If it did Google wouldn't be making all their services available on iPhone as well. People expect certain things. As the consumer gets more educated the product must get better or fail
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Sorry man, but I just gotta laugh!
Now, let's think, why would Google want their services on a device - Apple in this case - that has a user base with a higher yearly income, and users that have more disposable income, and users that actually spend that income, than any other devices user base?
That's great you're a developer, but having worked with a few myself (I'm not a code jockey - decided that wasn't for me in 76), I was always surprised how many didn't understand simple economics.
AndreaCristiano said:
I understand what it's about my friend I have had android since the G1 and have also developed for android. I also understand the way the market works and just pushing out google services on phones doesn't work. If it did Google wouldn't be making all their services available on iPhone as well. People expect certain things. As the consumer gets more educated the product must get better or fail
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Google is a pretty smart company chances are their business model is pretty smart also. Why invest in resources to build a phone when you could just foster an entire ecosystem's creation. So that means apps, companies, project ara, voice recognition and hundreds of other things google has its fingers in. Android exists to benefit Google short term and long term. Google doesn't just want the ads it wants the patents and the royalties.
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I understand economics hence why I am saying what I am about nexus. There is a reason the 6p(premium) was made and other androids are going more premium.
Rainstalk said:
Google is a pretty smart company chances are their business model is pretty smart also. Why invest in resources to build a phone when you could just foster an entire ecosystem's creation. So that means apps, companies, project ara, voice recognition and hundreds of other things google has its fingers in. Android exists to benefit Google short term and long term. Google doesn't just want the ads it wants the patents and the royalties.
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I'm not saying they aren't a smart company. What I am saying is they can't always be the "cheaper" alternative. Premium androids in materials and quality are everywhere and for good reason. There is a reason why you here disparaging reviews on the 5x and how it's cheap compared to the 6p. People want android to be more than googles services pimp