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Apple OS 4 Change-Log

Apple rolls out v4.0 of their iPhone OS for dev preview and finally, multitasking will be officially available. Seems like a lot of changes in security, performance and feature updates.
1. Multitasking (apple claims that its going to be best at this, just like copy/paste). They also admit that it might make the phone's performance sluggish.
2. Phone's notification bar now shows if someone requested for its location.
3. Fast App Switching allows an app to save its session and resume from there later.
4. Drag and drop app icons in custom folders. That means you can now have any number of apps. When you run out of space, just create a folder any drag apps into them. (There is something more but i didn't make what Steve was trying to explain.
5. Unified inbox for several mail clients, including fast inbox switching to focus on a specific client. Attachments can now be opened with a third party app. Support for multiple Exchange accounts and some VPN options.
6. iBooks on iPhone.
7. More privileges to developers including interaction with calendar, photo library, quicklook etc. Over 1500 new APIs and a new framework for hardware accelerated math function (called accelerate).
8. Better gaming with social gaming network.
9. iAds, thats delivers mobile advertisements with emotions (I don't know what Steve meant by this).
10. Create playlists, 5x digital zoom, tap to focus on video, gift apps, geotagging, places in the photo app, change the homescreen wallpaper, bluetooth keyboards, spell checker etc.
There are over 100 new updates, these were the only ones revealed at the event.
Some of the features are really funny, like folders, wallpapers, playlists, geotagging, spell checker. What I don't get is that Android already supports all of these features (other than the iCraps) but new versions of Android aren't as anticipated as iPhone's OS. Seems like Google really needs some good marketing strategies.

Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...

Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?

INeedYourHelp said:
Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?
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Its coming out for current phones this summer...

faraz1992 said:
Its coming out for current phones this summer...
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not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.

I do believe that Apples announcement is very much an update full of catchup!
Certainly pretty much all features announced android can do natively!
The problem I have and i'm by no means an apple fanboy as I have an N1 and love it sinece coming from my 3GS is that the android implementation needs to be way more polished.
Exchange support for me is a biggy and needs to be much better the HTC Desire ROM is much improved over stock google one for the N1 but still room for improvement.
I would like all my email in one exchange and gmail in one app rather than have to flick between two different apps.
but hey!

ap3604 said:
Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...
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I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.

Eclair~ said:
I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.
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Yes, we need to always remind google that it does have flaws, and that it needs improve its core apps.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going to buy a nexus 2 unless that phone wows me just like the n1 did.

jz9833 said:
not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.
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multi on 3GS and the 4th gen

zachthemaster said:
multi on 3GS and the 4th gen
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No multi for 3g??? I thought it had a good processor....

@faraz1992 - Not good enough it would seem.
Looks like iPhone OS 4 is bringing the iPhone up to par with my Nokia 3330 though ;-p
Google really should advertise the Android OS. iPhones are a joke in comparison. Its taken until version 4 to be able to change the home screen?!?! UNBELIEVABLE!

Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons

bobtentpeg said:
Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons
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Ooo "stfu", you are definitely not an immature moron. This is an Android section, obviously the people here will have more interest in Android and more hate in Apple. Even if they are acting like fanboys, their statements are quite true.
This fourth OS is nothing too spectacular - many features it contains are already preset in Android, and many other phone that have been out for a while, now just because Apple is announcing it - it is seen as something of amazement..

Why is this posted in nexus forum?

Doc
Thanks for the post. A very interesting topic indeed.
Even with all the problems I've had with my Nexus One (Touch input indexed incorrectly, Phone locking up during phone calls via Google Voice) I doubt I would ever even think about switching back to the iphone much less actually do it.
That said, I believe Google could benefit greatly by adopting 2 apple iphone platform paradigms (say that 3 times fast)
1) A more rigorous app store review process. Too much crap makes it way to the Android app store in my opinion. Google should review each app to ensure it meets certain quality measurements both in interface design and "under the hood". Apple, and thus the iphone platform, benefits greatly from being able to ensure end users that any app they use from their store will work with the phone and will meet apple's very high (almost too high) quality standards. I doubt very many of us can honestly argue that apple doesn't make a product that is great to use. Apple's stuff glistens and people want stuff that glistens...or at least I do!
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of mass consumerism but the iphone app store, because of what I said in my first item and because of what I stated in the second lends itself greatly to impulse buying or, at the very least, kills having to debate whether you feel like whipping out your credit card, keying all the information in, submitting, worrying about where your data is going, etc. etc. I can buy with confidence. And when I buy I want to be confident about what I'm getting and I want the process to be fast and simple. the iphone app store is fast and simple.
anyway, again a great topic.

DaveKid said:
Doc
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process.
anyway, again a great topic.
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But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?

Amdathlonuk said:
But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?
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yes...my bad. It was assumed by me that we all know you don't ALWAYS have to type it in. Also, I believe there is a review process in place but again I assumed that we all know it isn't nearly as rigorous as with the iphone app store.
But I do want to add one more thing. Google should be funneling money into XDA!!!! this site and some others like it are the life blood of the android OS and it's popularization and customization. If Google were smart they would fund the development of the XDA site and get the main players involved on the payroll....(this assumes that anyone involved would actually like to be on their payroll. autonomy does have it's own set of niceties)

DocRambone said:
Why is this posted in nexus forum?
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Its posted in the nexus one forum so that we can make fun of what apple's newest update has to offer. People going crazy about this update because of features like wallpapers, folders and MULTITASKING, something that first generation android phones were capable of...

Schmidt: Nexus One so successful we dont need a Nexus Two

Eric Schmidt's words concerning why the Nexus One was created and how we dont need number Two.
Initially, Google felt that they needed to build a device to help Android along so they worked with HTC to create the Nexus One handset. Schmidt says: “The idea a year and a half ago was to do the Nexus One to try to move the phone platform hardware business forward. It clearly did. It was so successful, we didn't have to do a second one. We would view that as positive but people criticised us heavily for that. I called up the board and said: 'Ok, it worked. Congratulations - we're stopping'. We like that flexibility, we think that flexibility is characteristic of nimbleness at our scale."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-Schmidt-You-can-trust-us-with-your-data.html

Heh, google is the inverse of apple

...I would like a Nexus Two though?
What about a 1280x720 4" IPS screen, sub-10mm thickness, aluminum/carbon fiber construction, HDMI port, front-facing camera, Tegra 2 SoC, battery life that is amazing, and capacitive touch buttons that are actually silk screened right?
And of course, a unicorn detector

oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.

i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.

I thought the title was a joke. lol
Wow, damage control ahoy.

arcticreaver said:
i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
I don't know what happened in SE HQ when they moved onto touchscreen phones and the like. They were ahead of the curve back in the day but maybe their UI let them down?
Samsung are another company who made good hardware but ****ed it up with their clunky software.
I'm not sure how these guys turn the ship around but HTC came from nowhere and are one of the biggest mobile phone manufacturers about now. Surely SE and Samsung can make a cracking phone again and win some of the market share back.
Another issue might be locking down access to root or bastardising Android with a clunky shell. HTC avoided that with a pretty nice UI in Sense.

britoso said:
Heh, google is the inverse of apple
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That's why I love em.

Knew it and have been saying it all along.
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.

markouk said:
+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
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I don't know about you, but that's what I dislike about SE. Why couldn't they just combine the best walkman and camera in one phone? Instead, they made two phones out of almost the same hardware and charge a high price for each of them...

RogerPodacter said:
oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.

Namuna said:
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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Amen!
I love the N1, and can't wait for a future device done the same way (without any branding). I seriously hope HTC is the manufacturer. Can't see myself using a phone not made by them.

ap3604 said:
Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
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Since android's beginning, there has always been Google's developer phone, the one that Google uses to write the android OS on. First was the g1, now its nexus. It will always be a vanilla android version, not HTC sense or MOTOblur or whatever. Perhaps the next one will be sold thru a carrier, but I think they will ensure it can be purchased unlocked too. We don't know, this is new territory, and The nexus kinda set the standard. So I'm anticipating Google will make sure the next phone can be had without the carrier influence as well.

I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.

I'm done with SE, myself. I followed them for a little while with a P990i, then Xperia X1 and was going to get an X10... but glad I got a Nexus One instead.
High-priced pieces of trash, they are. I know the X1 was HTC built and rebranded, but WinMo was so laggy on it and SE slapped an $800 price tag on it. Enough to wake you up.

So there won't be a N1 successor ??

adamwjohnson5 said:
I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
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Sure is nice having Google dictate what goes on the phone and not T-Mobile or AT&T or whoever. I think I'd opt for a slightly weaker phone over one with Sense UI and branding all over it.
I guess I'll be buying whichever dev phone is popular at the time, or making damn sure the phone has Cyanogen et al behind it and that it is vanilla.

No N2?!? Oh come on! It's not like they have to do much. Just make it a 4" screen, swap in a better 3D co-processor, slap a real keyboard on it and call it a day. I'd buy that off-contract any day!

I would agree that the N1 put android on the map, at the centre. They have multiple partners now SPAMMING rediculously good phones for android, the consumers know about it and WANT it, theyve done their task. Let them get back to making the OS orgasmic, and let HTC etc make phones that can vibrate

Like a guy said eariler this is whats called damage control. The N1 didn't start anything with Android OS, it was the Droid that did that. The N1 is a tiny blip on the radar of Android sales. The N1 failed and this is an arrogant look at the N1. The fact of the matter is HTC was planning 1ghz phones regardless of the N1 existance or not, remeber that phone list that was leaked last year of all the phones coming out this year? I love my N1 but lets face it google dropped the ball on it.
1. restrictions on the subdizing
2. restrictions on the type of plan
3. No dummy phones for TMO stores
IMO if they would have stuck the N1 in stores made it easy like Droid, Samsung Vibrant, and EVO, then N1 at the time would have been a mega hit. It was the first phone (that I can remember) with a ghz processor ppl would have went nuts for it because of the speed and its a really sexy looking phone.

Nexus, W7 Phones, and Irony

Does anyone find it ironic that nearly all HTC phones that are launching as part of the W7 campaign are essentially N1's loaded with w7.
All first gen snapdragons, they all share the N1 styling/materials.
Hopefully we can dual boot w7 due to the similarities. =D

I don't think they are but, I need to see a side by side. I thought most of the new w7 phones had better specs then the n1. But, of we have the best community of any phone out. That is why Google needs to make another dev phone it don't need to be called nexus two......

Check out engadget's front page, mozart,shobert,surround, trophy

Not terribly impressed with the W7 OS. From a UI standpoint, I could see the home screen getting very cluttered and I'm not sure if they have any sort of folder management system either to alleviate that. The multitouch zoom and kinetic scrolling in IE looked fluid but not having text reflow hurts. The Bing app was nice, as was the XBOX Live integration which is cool if you're into that but everything else was very meh. Didn't look awful like previous versions of WinMo but nothing that blew me away either. Still well behind Android and iOS even.

WP7 seems very solid in terms of how it is being handled. I love this quote:
http://twitter.com/edbott/statuses/27039322558
All Windows 7 phones will get updates at same time. Carriers don't get to block. (IOW, this ain't Android)
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I wish Google had the balls to do that.

Paul22000 said:
I wish Google had the balls to do that.
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Kind of reminds me of my favorite writer online: MG Seigler of TechCrunch
He really is the voice of the people and calls out Google for folding to the carrier demands like a guy with no confidence that gets walked all over by the hot girl (the carriers) that dont care about anyone else but herself
Here is a great article by MG Seigler on Andy Rubin making excuses for Google folding to whatever the carriers demand so that they can stay in bed with the enemy carriers: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/08/android-carriers/
Google really needs to grow a pair and take control of Android. A carrier holding out an OS update just so they can force up to purchase a new phone might be the norm but that doesn't mean its right or should be tolerated by Google

Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?

JCopernicus said:
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Damn straight.

JCopernicus said:
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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That's weird I wonder why I even got heated in my post above
I mean hell... thats the whole reason why I got the Nexus One! to not have to deal with carrier games anymore

You meant to say that they cant control android but wield a mighty big stick with gapps didnt you? I tried cm without gapps, pretty much cuts the nuts right off the little android leaving it ineffectual.
in-ef-fec-tu-al adjective 1 Weak. 2 Without satisfactory or decisive effect. 3 Powerless, impotent. 4 Insufficent to produce the desired result.

MS does something right for once in the smartphone arena. Can't we just give credit when it's due?
Text reflow? As far as I know even in CM I have to double tap the browser page to get it to reflow.
The UI looks sweet as hell and not having to worry about carrier tied updates?
Priceless.

I really didn't like the W7 UI, no place for wallpapers and that it's a very negative thing for me

It had a very nice style IMO. I doubt I'll move from my N1, but it's definitely gonna be an interesting game here on out.

ap3604 said:
Kind of reminds me of my favorite writer online: MG Seigler of TechCrunch
He really is the voice of the people and calls out Google for folding to the carrier demands like a guy with no confidence that gets walked all over by the hot girl (the carriers) that dont care about anyone else but herself
Here is a great article by MG Seigler on Andy Rubin making excuses for Google folding to whatever the carriers demand so that they can stay in bed with the enemy carriers: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/08/android-carriers/
Google really needs to grow a pair and take control of Android. A carrier holding out an OS update just so they can force up to purchase a new phone might be the norm but that doesn't mean its right or should be tolerated by Google
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So do you think you can just build AOSP and dump the result on any phone? No, it has to be tailored per-phone.. What changes there are between phones I wouldn't know, not a rom cook, but I suspect the complexity/time needed ranges from trivial to impossible (HW limitations).
So therefore, Google is not going to build, test, and deploy a build for every Android phone ever made. The carriers have NO INCENTIVE to support older phones.. They have gotten better about this, but they still have no reason to do it honestly, it's not like other industries where hardware sales lose money (printers, game systems, many others) and therefore they need to stretch the users experience with the hardware to the max. Phone sales net the carriers extended contracts and money.

JCopernicus said:
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Actually they can, very easily:
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hey Google, we're going to release a phone with Android 1.5, replace your search with Bing, add some crap-ware, and remove a bunch of useful Android features!
Google: Oh really? Too bad your Android phone won't have Gmail, Google Maps, Google Talk, YouTube, Google Syncing, OR the Android Market!
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hmm...​

Paul22000 said:
Actually they can, very easily:
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hey Google, we're going to release a phone with Android 1.5, replace your search with Bing, add some crap-ware, and remove a bunch of useful Android features!
Google: Oh really? Too bad your Android phone won't have Gmail, Google Maps, Google Talk, YouTube, Google Syncing, OR the Android Market!
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hmm...​
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Verizon doesn't seem to care. This does work though it's how android took off. However, not having gapps is more detremental to Google than carriers. At this point in the game android can survive without native Google applications.

khaytsus said:
So do you think you can just build AOSP and dump the result on any phone? No, it has to be tailored per-phone.. What changes there are between phones I wouldn't know, not a rom cook, but I suspect the complexity/time needed ranges from trivial to impossible (HW limitations).
So therefore, Google is not going to build, test, and deploy a build for every Android phone ever made. The carriers have NO INCENTIVE to support older phones.. They have gotten better about this, but they still have no reason to do it honestly, it's not like other industries where hardware sales lose money (printers, game systems, many others) and therefore they need to stretch the users experience with the hardware to the max. Phone sales net the carriers extended contracts and money.
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So basically you're justifying carriers holding off hardware updates so that people can dump their 6 month old phone for a new one just to get from 2.1 to 2.2?
That's BS and you know it.
Android gets a new version every other month, and if they do this and leave older users in the dark with carriers blocking updates, Android is NEVER going to be real competition to iOS.
Hardware is just another BS excuse. 2.2 runs fine on even the HTC Dream.

mynameisjon said:
Android gets a new version every other month, and if they do this and leave older users in the dark with carriers blocking updates, Android is NEVER going to be real competition to iOS.
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Android sold more units in Q2 2010 than iOS, so surely its already real competition?

Is just me or is one of the biggest faults with android the various phone form factors that make it impossible to standardize any accessories? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to be locked into a single phone running android but it seems the phone manufacturers could maybe design their phones so they have common ports for accessories. I guess we are lucky we at least got a desktop and car dock. Even cars are coming with iphone, ipad docks, you'll never see an android dock.

JCopernicus said:
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Google, from a business perspective, doesn't need to control android.
its not its number one priority. yes it could try to twist the carrier's arms, and yes most would fold, but even if only 1 of the big 4 refuses to fold and stops carrying android devices google losses.
google doesnt make money off of android. it makes money off of ads. it just wants you to watch the ads through its portals. you might say they lose that when carriers choose bing over google, but really most of the ads (in apps, around the web) are controlled by google because google owns the online ad market. in fact, they will make money off of the spread of windows 7 phones as well. they entered the mobile business just to make sure neither apple nor microsoft could cut them out of the mobile internet user base and therefore limit the number of users viewing their ads.
btw we are in the nexus one section of xda, which by definition means you cant complain about waiting for updates and carrier and manufacturer crippling. (ha! see what i did there?)

Exclusive Scoop!!! The Real reason Samsung was & is late with UPDATES!

I have found the real reason that Samsung was ans is late to updating their phones to the latest or next to latest versions of Android Fryo and 2.3/2.4 Gingerbread.... Its simple Apple has Samsung as a supplier for the Iphone's A4 cpu and its Retina Display (which is probably a version of the Galaxy S screen super-AMOLED. Thus I found this..."Apple is quite annoyed by Samsung's fast rise in a market which it virtually created," James Song, an analyst at Daewoo Securities, said on Friday." This would make perfect sense since Samsung does not want to offend one of its chief customers.
Could this be the reason? Stay tuned news at 11pm, updates as they happen...

I really hate apple. Jobs should get an award for single handedly making people technically dumber. Most iphone users can barely navigate itunes let alone a pc. I hope the iphone 5 bombs and sammy outsells it with the galaxy S2. I will never be able to use another handset if it doesnt have a samoled display.
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I don't believe they make their lcd's and its not a super amoled display on the iphone4. This is not the reason sammy is late with updates. The reason they're late is they suck at software(getting better tho) and all the individual carrier crap they have to add in or make provisions for.
FYI; samsung and apple look to be bitter rivals now.

RushAOZ said:
I really hate apple. Jobs should get an award for single handedly making people technically dumber. Most iphone users can barely navigate itunes let alone a pc. I hope the iphone 5 bombs and sammy outsells it with the galaxy S2. I will never be able to use another handset if it doesnt have a samoled display.
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i am an android lover but one could also say that Jobs was so smart that he made it possible for companies like Samsung and HTC to become bigg sellers in this market that Jobs created. Like the super villains in moves Jobs may have created his own enemies...

I don't think that has anything to do with it.
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samsung makes a lot of parts for a lot of different cell phones and non samsung related products. I do know samsung makes some htc screens, ie. Incredible, evo, ect....
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epicslam said:
i am an android lover but one could also say that Jobs was so smart that he made it possible for companies like Samsung and HTC to become bigg sellers in this market that Jobs created. Like the super villains in moves Jobs may have created his own enemies...
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Not true. The main reasons we live in such a smartphone driven world today is blackberry, motorola, and, honestly, windows mobile. The idea that we could have full keyboards (since texting had become so commonplace), keep an array of files with us, and music on our phones intrigued a large portion of consumers. The first true "turning point" in my opinion was when the motorola q was released. It was the first smartphone geared towards the normal consumer and not businessmen.
You have to give motorola credit. While they may suck at a lot of things, they have generally been "pioneers" in that they change consumers minds for them. The razor introduced the idea of ultra slim phones, the Q introduced a phone that's more than a phone, and the Droid made the general (unaware) public aware of the android OS. If anything, apple has been following their lead. Just with better marketing and implementation lol.
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No he didn't. The only reasons apple is where they are is because of the app store and how ridiculously easy it is to use that pos. Apple didn't invent **** or bring anything new to the table. They just released an easy to use phone in a market that was flooded with ****ty winmo phones. Stop spreading that hoopla about jobs and apple "inventing". Its the reason why android is speeding by and apple wont catch up unless they finally revise ios and make it more functional... but at that point they'd be copying off android wouldn't they? There's nothing new under the sun. Its never what you do but how its done.
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It's not Samsung that holds up upgrades. It is U.S. carriers. International Samsung phones get their upgrades months before ours.

Considering Apple is sueing sammy, and sammy is sueing apple, I venture to guess apple is looking to expand its suppliers.
Oh and retina is not amoled, its high density lcd.
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epicslam said:
I have found the real reason that Samsung was ans is late to updating their phones to the latest or next to latest versions of Android Fryo and 2.3/2.4 Gingerbread.... Its simple Apple has Samsung as a supplier for the Iphone's A4 cpu and its Retina Display (which is probably a version of the Galaxy S screen super-AMOLED. Thus I found this..."Apple is quite annoyed by Samsung's fast rise in a market which it virtually created," James Song, an analyst at Daewoo Securities, said on Friday." This would make perfect sense since Samsung does not want to offend one of its chief customers.
Could this be the reason? Stay tuned news at 11pm, updates as they happen...
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This may just be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on XDA... It would be a little less ridiculous if you had your facts straight.

I Hope they both get FK'ed over... honestly Apple has made people retarded.
and Sammy has continually screwed it's customers over with updates...
i Just wish there was a company that cared about its customers instead of profits... But then again that'll never happen.

There are two reasons why Samsung was so late with updates.
1. There was a huge bug in in their bloatware with Froyo that made it difficult to make a non-buggy port.
2. The carriers are the ones who send out our updates; for all we know we could have gotten it months before if it were an international carrier supporting our updates.
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Its because its a new processor and now that they have the basic framework pretty well mapped we should now start seeing updates much sooner once they are released. But then again I could be wrong and be creating another unfounded rumor like op is doing.

Its because Sammy wants to get people to buy their new phones when they come out. The sgs II
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Jobs is just mad he knows the sgs2 will take a massive dump on whatever iphone hes putting together. Oh! I can't have my provider of parts and lcds outsell my phone too!! You know what's really ****ing hilarious?? I bet that jobs uses android. Any real power user considers idevices a joke.
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RushAOZ said:
Jobs is just mad he knows the sgs2 will take a massive dump on whatever iphone hes putting together. Oh! I can't have my provider of parts and lcds outsell my phone too!! You know what's really ****ing hilarious?? I bet that jobs uses android. Any real power user considers idevices a joke.
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Chill dude =P
But yeah, an Iphone is like all the Pop music today. The close-minded people thinks it's the best on Earth, when there's so many things better than it.

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Its because Sammy wants to get people to buy their new phones when they come out. The sgs II
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well read the link to the article. From a business stand point would you want to tick off one of your biggest customers? I think that apple is not the best thing on the face of the earth. They are just good at marketing to a select group of people. I do think that Apple told Samsung to slow the updates and which as a up side would give samsung money from people purchasing more phones off contract from carriers.

ok..first of all as stated..the IPS-LCD in iphone 4 is not made by samsung..its made by LG...also...Samsung does not make Evo screens either...
There is also no one to offend..Apple's strategy revolves around making big checks to companies with latest tech to make shortages for competitors..Samsung on the other hand wont have shortages as they can make their own...
Also, there has been no delay on 2.3/2.4..it came out in standard time on the international Galaxy S..just because google released Gignerbread 4 month ago did not mean it was ready for the public...if you follow trend of Nexus One and Nexus S..it seems like it takes around 4 months for it go rom developer phone to first consumer phone...
And as for Froyo delays...most of it was US carriers fault...

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well read the link to the article. From a business stand point would you want to tick off one of your biggest customers? I think that apple is not the best thing on the face of the earth. They are just good at marketing to a select group of people. I do think that Apple told Samsung to slow the updates and which as a up side would give samsung money from people purchasing more phones off contract from carriers.
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Apple had nothing to do with it. The screen for the iPhone 4 is made by LG, by the way. Samsung has Apple by the balls because they are their second-largest part supplier behind Sony, so no. Samsung and carriers are to blame for neglecting their customer-base. Google has now made a new clause in their manufacturer contracts that says Google has to review any UI customizations a handset maker puts over Android before they will give them early access to their source code. This means no more carrier and manufacturer drag-ass or excuses for grossly neglected software updates to customers. Google will simply make the handset maker's life hell as well as revoke their competitive edge in beating others to the market with the latest version of Android. It's a round-about way of making handset makers like Samsung fall the **** in line and stop screwing around with this "fragmentation" crap.

Here's the reason why Nexus 6 is so expensive

No, it's not the "flagship hardware" argument.
It's about the fact that the Google decided to stop competing with it's own supporters: Samsung, LG, Sony, Motorola, etc. I can bet the hardware makers were beginning to be quite pissed off because of the Nexus bargain prices, and complained loudly. Yes, the Nexus was a great way to show the hardware makers and developers a direction for the Android hardware and - more important - for the Android software, but enough is enough, Google doesn't really need the hardware business so putting more pressure on its own allies is the last thing it needed to do. So the Nexus will remain that direction, with the difference that it will not unnecessarily compete with its partners.
Samsung already posted declining sales. The last thing the hardware makers need now is more competition.
A similar story happened with Microsoft and it's hardware partners. The Surface and Surface Pro tablets are priced quite high in order to avoid competing but they are still able to show the hardware partners a direction in which it wants things to evolve.
So there you have it. This is the real reason Google decided to price the Nexus 6 so high.

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No, it's not the "flagship hardware" argument.
It's about the fact that the Google decided to stop competing with it's own supporters: Samsung, LG, Sony, Motorola, etc. I can bet the hardware makers were beginning to be quite pissed off because of the Nexus bargain prices, and complained loudly. Yes, the Nexus was a great way to show the hardware makers and developers a direction for the Android hardware, but enough is enough, Google doesn't really need the hardware business so putting more pressure on its own allies is the last thing it needed to do.
Samsung already posted declining sales. The last thing the hardware makers need now is more competition.
A similar story happened with Microsoft and it's hardware partners. The Surface and Surface Pro tablets are priced quite high in order to avoid competing but they are still able to show the hardware partners a direction in which it wants things to evolve.
So there you have it. This is the real reason Google decided to price the Nexus 6 so high.
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Was disappointed by the price, but this makes sense, well ill have to go and get another phone, possibly, Nexus 5 or OPO

kevinlevrone said:
No, it's not the "flagship hardware" argument.
It's about the fact that the Google decided to stop competing with it's own supporters: Samsung, LG, Sony, Motorola, etc. I can bet the hardware makers were beginning to be quite pissed off because of the Nexus bargain prices, and complained loudly. Yes, the Nexus was a great way to show the hardware makers and developers a direction for the Android hardware, but enough is enough, Google doesn't really need the hardware business so putting more pressure on its own allies is the last thing it needed to do.
Samsung already posted declining sales. The last thing the hardware makers need now is more competition.
A similar story happened with Microsoft and it's hardware partners. The Surface and Surface Pro tablets are priced quite high in order to avoid competing but they are still able to show the hardware partners a direction in which it wants things to evolve.
So there you have it. This is the real reason Google decided to price the Nexus 6 so high.
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Don't buy that argument. Why would google even go through the trouble of making a Nexus device then? Nexus phones certainly weren't cutting into the sales of the Galaxy line. It's a niche market. If google wanted to play nice with hardware manufacturers they would just continue to release Google Play Edition versions of existing devices rather than create their own device.

They probably thought well Apple can sell plenty of iPhones at a hefty markup then we will have a slice of that action.

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Don't buy that argument. Why would google even go through the trouble of making a Nexus device then?
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To give the hardware makers and to "the world" a direction, a benchmark on how an Android device should look and function, a direction in which the Android ecosystem is evolving.

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To give the hardware makers and to "the world" a direction, a benchmark on how an Android device should look and function, a direction in which the Android ecosystem is evolving.
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But on the same token, this device is an enlarged Moto X. Where is google's influence on this device other than a larger foot print?

anees167 said:
Was disappointed by the price, but this makes sense, well ill have to go and get another phone, possibly, Nexus 5 or OPO
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I agree. So today, I chose the N5 over the OPO because of wireless charging and I want android L asap

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But on the same token, this device is an enlarged Moto X. Where is google's influence on this device other than a larger foot print?
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The most important is in the software and how updates are delivered.
The fact that the Nexus 6 is similar to the Moto X (the designs converge) means that Google almost reached its goal of showing the hardware makers how it wants and Android device to look and function.
Remember how the Nexus One seemed like a huge step up compared to all the other Android devices ? Then how a new Nexus (don't remember which - maybe Nexus 4) introduced the software keys instead of the hardware/capacitive permanent keys ? Google steered the hardware into the direction it wanted, over time. Now we are at a point in which the hardware makers know how to properly build Android devices.

qwerty12601 said:
Don't buy that argument. Why would google even go through the trouble of making a Nexus device then? Nexus phones certainly weren't cutting into the sales of the Galaxy line. It's a niche market. If google wanted to play nice with hardware manufacturers they would just continue to release Google Play Edition versions of existing devices rather than create their own device.
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I don't buy this argument either. If anything, Google, according to most reports, is actively trying to wrestle even more control as it seeks to increase competition from other vendors, such as Samsung, which has all but lobotomized Android. With this device, even the price point suggests that a Google device can step out of the niche market and go toe to toe with the heavyweights. Google wants to show it can marry the best hardware with the best form of its newly revamped OS. And, this price point only exudes Google's confidence in this direction.

kevinlevrone said:
The most important is in the software and how updates are delivered.
The fact that the Nexus 6 is similar to the Moto X (the designs converge) means that Google almost reached its goal of showing the hardware makers how it wants and Android device to look and function.
Remember how the Nexus One seemed like a huge step up compared to all the other Android devices ? Then how a new Nexus (don't remember which - maybe Nexus 4) introduced the software keys instead of the hardware/capacitive permanent keys ? Google steered the hardware into the direction it wanted, over time. Now we are at a point in which the hardware makers know how to properly build Android devices.
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I don't doubt that hardware makers have grown to shape their devices to google's goal. But at this point, why would google want to showcase a device that theoretically has been designed in 2013 (original moto x). They're is no device innovation this time. There really hasn't been for years, and that's been accompanied by affordable devices.

qwerty12601 said:
I don't doubt that hardware makers have grown to shape their devices to google's goal. But at this point, why would google want to showcase a device that theoretically has been designed in 2013 (original moto x). They're is no device innovation this time. There really hasn't been for years, and that's been accompanied by affordable devices.
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Did you see any innovation in the new iPhones, other than the larger screens, faster processors and better OS ? Same with Nexus - larger screen, faster processor and better OS. The perceived lack of real hardware innovation it's not Google's fault, it's just that this is the state of technology today.

kevinlevrone said:
Did you see any innovation in the new iPhones, other than the larger screens, faster processors and better OS ? Same with Nexus - larger screen, faster processor and better OS. The perceived lack of real hardware innovation it's not Google's fault, it's just that this is the state of technology today.
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The iphone hasn't innovated anything in years. Their sell is an easy device to use with a super loyal following, and extremely consistent pricing. The price of a new Iphone hasn't changed in many years.
If that's the direction the nexus line wants to go, then good luck! But Nexus doesn't have that large loyal following, and with prices going up and down it's going to make people look at other options.

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If that's the direction the nexus line wants to go, then good luck! But Nexus doesn't have that large loyal following, and with prices going up and down it's going to make people look at other options.
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I think that Google doesn't want (anymore) that many people to buy its Nexus devices - especially phablets which are Samsung's most profitable devices and would really hurt it if Nexus was sold at bargain prices - what Google wants is that those Nexus devices to exist as a reference.
It may be that Samsung had a lot of saying in how Google positioned the Nexus 6. Google needs Samsung, badly. And Samsung released many of its wearables with the Tizen operating system instead of Android Wear. It may be that Google did Samsung a favor in order to ensure that it doesn't lose the wearables war in the future and get Samsung in the Android Wear boat.

Its expensive now not because they were not competing. the nexus line didn't make a dent in anybody's pocket except google's
Fact remains is nexus 5 sales numbers were never released, most likely because they were so poor compared to flagship devices.
Google wanted a way to compete with samsung/apple and now they have found it: contract with more carriers, set it at a price point where other people not familiar with the nexus line would consider it a flagship device, etc.
i can understand, from a business standpoint the nexus 5 didn't make sense and it was time to compete with the big players.
Though i'm sad and will not be buying one. The point of a nexus for me was both the price and no contract needed.. now they got rid of that and at this point i'd rather get something tried and tested like a galaxy note especially if im going to be forced into a contract to get an affordable price for it.

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I think that Google doesn't want (anymore) that many people to buy its Nexus devices - especially phablets which are Samsung's most profitable devices and would really hurt it if Nexus was sold at bargain prices - what Google wants is that those Nexus devices to exist as a reference.
It may be that Samsung had a lot of saying in how Google positioned the Nexus 6. Google needs Samsung, badly. And Samsung released many of its wearables with the Tizen operating system instead of Android Wear. It may be that Google did Samsung a favor in order to ensure that it doesn't lose the wearables war in the future and get Samsung in the Android Wear boat.
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Which is why I feel if that's the direction they really wanted to go, just doing GPE on existing devices where manufacturers are aware and optimize their devices with googles input would make more sense. That way the manufacturer gets to sell the device at full cost, featuring stock android.

floepie said:
I don't buy this argument either. If anything, Google, according to most reports, is actively trying to wrestle even more control as it seeks to increase competition from other vendors, such as Samsung, which has all but lobotomized Android. With this device, even the price point suggests that a Google device can step out of the niche market and go toe to toe with the heavyweights. Google wants to show it can marry the best hardware with the best form of its newly revamped OS. And, this price point only exudes Google's confidence in this direction.
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I believe you nailed it. Its as good as anything top notch out there, and cheaper. Had it been a $450 phone, people would have complained it could have been more.
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So to prevent competition they sell it for a price not many are willing to pay. And to top it off, make it gigantic for even more clout.

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So to prevent competition they sell it for a price not many are willing to pay. And to top it off, make it gigantic for even more clout.
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No, to *help* competition among its partners. Google is not in the hardware business, they don't care if it sells or not. It only cares for the Nexus line to exist and show the world how Android should be.

An alternative take.
Motorola are hurting for cash. Google bought them, did nothing with them and then sold them to Lenovo, but not before taking all the good IP with them. Lenovo added a stipulation that they make the next Nexus device and get to price it, making more profit. Motorola are the only ones to name the price so far, not Google.
That's my take, it's pure stipulation, but that's my opinion.

Kryten2k35 said:
An alternative take.
Motorola are hurting for cash. Google bought them, did nothing with them and then sold them to Lenovo, but not before taking all the good IP with them. Lenovo added a stipulation that they make the next Nexus device and get to price it, making more profit. Motorola are the only ones to name the price so far, not Google.
That's my take, it's pure stipulation, but that's my opinion.
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Interesting and I find it possible. Motorola doesn't have a non-Nexus phablet yet, so the Nexus could be their own entry into the phablet market. The fact that it will be sold through carriers with subsidy, etc. just like a regular phone also adds to this possibility.
However, would Google abandon their Nexus strategy with this one-time deal/screw-up ? Not sure. And I'm also not sure that the Nexus line sold so well as to be a desired deal by Motorola. The Nexus line was positioned in a certain way, you can't easily switch this positioning and expect huge success (Google doesn't care about sales but Motorola does).
However I believe Google (or Motorola, or both) will learn its lesson from this. People expect lower prices from Nexus devices. If they launched a similar phablet but non-Nexus branded, no one would have complained about the price. But calling it a Nexus will surely make many people hate Google for it.