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Hello everyone. First off, be clear of one thing: FLASH will not work on our phones even when Froyo is out. Flash was an improvement in Froyo, but it is not going to be in all phones just because they have Froyo..
I see a lot of people complaining that the Froyo releases of the Galaxy 3 do not have Flash 10.1. I opened this topic to inform everyone who doesn't know that Flash is currently only supported on ARMv7 processors, namely the ARM Cortex A8 processors.
The Galaxy 3 has an ARMv6 processor, which is not currently supported by Flash. Adobe has mentioned that Flash might be supported on lower end processors in the near future, but right now it can only run on phones having an ARM Cortex A8 processor.
So right now, Flash is a no-go on our phone, even when the final Froyo update is released.
You can check the requirements for Flash on the following link:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#mobile
Also, check out this link which mentions that ARM might be supported on ARM11 (ARMv6) devices in the future:
http://androidandme.com/2010/08/news/flash-player-10-1-could-appear-on-some-arm11-devices/
For those who wonder why the HTC phones have Flash, just found out that the Flash Player on HTC has been developed by HTC themselves. It is not the actual Adobe Flash Player 10.1..
So we can only hope that until final FROYO relese Adobe will mode Flash to work on our hardware
aantdesign said:
So we can only hope that until final FROYO relese Adobe will mode Flash to work on our hardware
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Not likely. Adobe has said they might make it work on these processors, but it surely isn't at the top of their agenda right now.
But on the other side, if We ask at loud and if we do it in weaves, they will change their mind and support our hardware
addicted2088 said:
Not likely. Adobe has said they might make it work on these processors, but it surely isn't at the top of their agenda right now.
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Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
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Where do you want to use flash ?
a) WEB:
Because you can use SKYFIRE which converts at their servers flash to html5 and you can watch converted flash video at your mobile
b) SD card applications:
I had on my XPERIA X1 (which has slower CPU) flash player and many many flash games. It was working without any lags.
c) what if you install flash player 10 like 3th party application ?
d) do you want to launch complicated Flash www pages at your mobile ? With this stupid resolution ? I think that:
- it has no sense (I hate to read anythink on this display)
- sooner or later the pages will be converted to html5 and we will be able to have them.
So please for what reason do you need flash ?
nastyba said:
Where do you want to use flash ?
a) WEB:
Because you can use SKYFIRE which converts at their servers flash to html5 and you can watch converted flash video at your mobile
b) SD card applications:
I had on my XPERIA X1 (which has slower CPU) flash player and many many flash games. It was working without any lags.
c) what if you install flash player 10 like 3th party application ?
d) do you want to launch complicated Flash www pages at your mobile ? With this stupid resolution ? I think that:
- it has no sense (I hate to read anythink on this display)
- sooner or later the pages will be converted to html5 and we will be able to have them.
So please for what reason do you need flash ?
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Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
The main requirement of flash is a VFPU(vector floating point unit).it is a physical device that should be present in the chip for flash to work.the older arm processors(arm1136) does not support it(thats why adobe said they wont support older processors). Our processor(arm1176) supports it but it is optional.so it all depends on whether samsung implemnted vfpu in this chip. Considering what they did with 3d graphics my hopes are pretty low.
Flash isnt essential but it would have been nice to have it.i didnt know about these things before i bought the phone.but considering the fact that no device. Anywhere near this price range supports it,i am happy with the phone.
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Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
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Check out this site:
"androidandme.com/2010/08/news/flash-player-10-1-could-appear-on-some-arm11-devices/"
ARM11 is ARMv6, which is there in our phones. So right now it's not gonna work in our phones.
Also check out these mobile system requirements mentioned on Adobe's site:
"adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#mobile"
ROLY5573 said:
Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
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I agree, also SPB TV works or Orange streaming TV (for orange customers), without any problem. I think that it's pricing policy - producers don't want to squeeze the maximum from the cheap phones.
nastyba said:
I agree, also SPB TV works or Orange streaming TV (for orange customers), without any problem. I think that it's pricing policy - producers don't want to squeeze the maximum from the cheap phones.
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As Adobe releases Flash for free, it doesn't really matter to them if it's used in cheap or costly phones. The ARMv6 processor is not necessarily used only in cheap phones. Rendering Flash content is a processor intensive job, so it is not an easy job to port it to lower end processors.
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As Adobe releases Flash for free, it doesn't really matter to them if it's used in cheap or costly phones. The ARMv6 processor is not necessarily used only in cheap phones. Rendering Flash content is a processor intensive job, so it is not an easy job to port it to lower end processors.
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and HTC wildfire ? I din't mean this no motivation for Adobe but for Samsung to support the cheaper phone. They just implement some widgets, youtube as a start, but later they do not care about old models.
nastyba said:
and HTC wildfire ? I din't mean this no motivation for Adobe but for Samsung to support the cheaper phone. They just implement some widgets, youtube as a start, but later they do not care about old models.
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HTC has been giving Flash support for their Eclair phones, but it doesn't work that great. If you check the Wildfire review on GSMArena, Flash has trouble playing videos on all sites, and only simple games run nicely.
Flash can run on ARMv6 processors, but it hasn't been developed properly for it yet. And no one except HTC gives support for Flash in their Eclair running phones, so it's not only Samsung's fault. Plus, even Samsung gave Flash on the high-end Galaxy S AFTER it was upgraded to Froyo.
Let's see, it's bound to come out for ARMv6 processors sometime, as budget Android phones are only gonna increase in popularity.
U are right
ROLY5573 said:
Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
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ROLY5573 said:
Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
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I really hope you know that HTML5 isn't finnished yet, and will take more 2 years to be finnished. Till there, yes we need flash...
addicted2088 said:
HTC has been giving Flash support for their Eclair phones, but it doesn't work that great. If you check the Wildfire review on GSMArena, Flash has trouble playing videos on all sites, and only simple games run nicely.
Flash can run on ARMv6 processors, but it hasn't been developed properly for it yet. And no one except HTC gives support for Flash in their Eclair running phones, so it's not only Samsung's fault. Plus, even Samsung gave Flash on the high-end Galaxy S AFTER it was upgraded to Froyo.
Let's see, it's bound to come out for ARMv6 processors sometime, as budget Android phones are only gonna increase in popularity.
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now it's clear
welty said:
I really hope you know that HTML5 isn't finnished yet, and will take more 2 years to be finnished. Till there, yes we need flash...
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what about LG OO or other 200€ devices ?
Is there any other app that makes flash possible on our phones?
skyfire
flash doesnt work on p500 either....
Hey
It is possible, to install a Flash Lite on 2.2? Because we don't have any flash, and can't watch videos through skyfire. But no - I won't come back to 2.1
I have no idea how to do this, but I thought that maybe now with the Windows 8 Developer Preview being available for free download without activation, somebody might be able to work on a port of this to the Xoom.
Because Windows 8 is supposed to be built around the idea of running it on multi-touch screens, I think the Xoom would be the perfect candidate.
If anyone wants to try this and wants to put in the coding effort, I will help however I can.
They haven't released the Arm compatible version yet. There is only 32bit (x86), vanilla 64 bit, and a 64 dev version available for download so far.
Microsoft has stated that there is no ARM support in the dev preview, so were gonna have to wait till at least a beta comes out.
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Now are the arm images designed the same way as the android images are in terms of software hardware meshing?
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Now I know nothing about this beyond the fact that porting the ARM version over the x86 version would be significantly easier (and probably the only port that would work).
So am I right in assuming that if there is an ARM release some point soon, that it could, given the right amount of time, definitely be ported to run on our Devices?
Completely forgot about the ARM situation. I agree, hopefully they will release the ARM source in beta rather than waiting until the RCs or Finals.
If the ARM edition is released in .IMG format it may be possible with Fastboot. I would think that since LIV2 was able to boot into Debian in this post : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138661 it would be rather similar to do.
^^ You are right..... However the main problem will be trying to shoehorn a full windows OS into our limited system partition, one would assume that at least a gigabyte would be required for a full install......
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win 8 on a samsung tab http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxJQotodEVQ&feature=player_embedded
i would be very interested in this... moreover it would be awesome as dual boots.... i really enjoy honeycomb and android is awesome... but windows/ubuntu dual boot along side it will be the ultimate machine lol
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win 8 on a samsung tab http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxJQotodEVQ&feature=player_embedded
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Be careful with that...... It's not a galaxy tab 10.1 as evidenced by the windows button at the bottom. I'm still going to say its gonna be really difficult to run win8 nativley on our limited internal storage, that's not to say we couldn't run it off an SD card though....... Witch could actually be the best of both worlds, dual booting between android and win8 sounds pretty cool.
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One thing people seem to forget is that it's closed source. You know, there's a reason that Windows Phone 7 isn't ported to Android-devices yet (same for WebOS). It's because it's closed source.
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One thing people seem to forget is that it's closed source. You know, there's a reason that Windows Phone 7 isn't ported to Android-devices yet (same for WebOS). It's because it's closed source.
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Not to mention all of the drivers that we would have to develop or modify any "generic" drivers that are included in the windows 8 release to work on our xooms
but what I would like to say is that once we have a ARM version of win 8, I want ALL of our Devs working on this.
I don't think any dev will pick this up. I mean, look at the Ubuntu-thread. Ubuntu is open source and almost all other HC-tablets have an Ubuntu-port now, yet the Xoom still hasn't. So if they don't care for open source Ubuntu, then I don't think any dev will try closed source Win8.
eliteone said:
Be careful with that...... It's not a galaxy tab 10.1 as evidenced by the windows button at the bottom. I'm still going to say its gonna be really difficult to run win8 nativley on our limited internal storage, that's not to say we couldn't run it off an SD card though....... Witch could actually be the best of both worlds, dual booting between android and win8 sounds pretty cool.
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i understand, it says in the title of video samsung t700 tablet, i know it's not the galaxy tab
i blame the high price of the xoom. Nobody who WOULD be able to provide dev work probably can't afford to purchase one. Most other tablets are 100 dollars or more cheaper
kenfly said:
i blame the high price of the xoom. Nobody who WOULD be able to provide dev work probably can't afford to purchase one. Most other tablets are 100 dollars or more cheaper
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The Galaxy Tab already has an Ubuntu-port and more ROMS available. Still, the price is the same as the Xoom's price. Even the Acer Iconia has more ROMS and stuff and yes, it's cheaper, but worldwide more Xoom's have been sold then the Acer-ones. So that is quite strange.
Today, the death of MOBILE Flash was announced.
This a major killer app gone from the Android arsenal.
NOTE that Flash continues to develop on the Desktop environment.
Gone also is a major demander of CPU cycles.
I think this means two things:
1. (Less) Need for High power CPUs on Android platform
2. The beginning a two tier web experience. One for Desktops, one for mobile.
Which means we'll be as restricted from a desktop web experience as Apple Mobile products, AND WITHOUT the market sway of APPLE that mitigates and forces some websites to develop specifically for Apple products (ie: APP version of website).
I won't say this is the death of Android as a platform, but it could be a major blow.
Given this I have more reason to buy Windows 8 tablet next instead of Android.
There will always be some websites (ie: Megavideo or anime websites) that only develop for Desktop in mind, they don't care or have the resources to develop a HTML5 / APP for every platform out there.
And EVEN if they were to develop an APP, you know it'll be for Apple platform.
So Android is disadvantaged.
It's not as bad as you think.
- Adobe will continue to provide critical updates to existing Flash versions on Android
- It will potentially hand over development to third-parties
- Adobe AIR and HTML5 work fine on Android
Yes, it will score a dent on the platform but it is by no means that Flash will suddenly be pulled out of the Market or something. Let's just hope Adobe will release the Flash 11 with better Stage3D before it closes further development.
I just wish they would give the desktop version the axe as well, but hey, I'm being more pred'd than prac' there
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i think it all depends on pricing and preference. I see windows phone out now but android phones are still beating them. so what makes you think that windows will have a bigger effect in the tablet market?
to me the pricing makes a big difference. i think the avarage joe doesn't care if they are getting windows, apple, android just how much it costs. if cost was not an option, they would probably go apple then windows/android just because of name recognition. Although I do think they would lean more towards android as a 2nd option over windows since that is probably what they have on their phone.
Youre overreacting, adobe will continue to fix bugs in flash. Meaning if quad core processors give errors associated with flash they will probably be fixed.
And the discontinue will hopefully bring more developers to adobe-AIR, so it will be way easier to code apps for different platforms.
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I personally wish they'd stop using Adobe entirely and use web standards, not some proprietary crap.
I really don't think the ability to run Flash has been such a huge competitive advantage for Android, at least not among the general public. Apple's still doing fine without it, and certainly on tablets Flash hasn't made a material difference.
It'll remain variety and price that keeps Android successful. And the idea that the Tegra 3's performance is somehow irrelevant because Flash will be going away someday seems a bit strange to me. I can think of many things a tablet (or phone) can do that benefit from better performance other than Flash.
wynand32 said:
I really don't think the ability to run Flash has been such a huge competitive advantage for Android, at least not among the general public. Apple's still doing fine without it, and certainly on tablets Flatsh hasn't made a material difference.
It'll remain variety and price that keeps Android successful. And the idea that the Tegra 3's performance is somehow irrelevant because Flash will be going away someday seems a bit strange to me. I can think of many things a tablet (or phone) can do that benefit from better performance other than Flash.
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Exactly. I've never thought of Flash as anything killer on Android. I very much detest it instead, slowing things down with all the flash ads.
Botloos said:
Youre overreacting, adobe will continue to fix bugs in flash. Meaning if quad core processors give errors associated with flash they will probably be fixed.
And the discontinue will hopefully bring more developers to adobe-AIR, so it will be way easier to code apps for different platforms.
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Continue to fix bugs of the current version of Flash. But what happens when they release Flash 12 for the desktop, and all the websites migrate over to it?
Your videos on these website won't launch.
The stated also that they wont be adding support for newer hardware
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wynand32 said:
Apple's still doing fine without it, and certainly on tablets Flash hasn't made a material difference.
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Apple will do well without Flash because they're APPLE. They have APP versions of the websites that use flash because of their persuasive market share.
WE DON'T
The sky is falling.
Lawliet said:
Exactly. I've never thought of Flash as anything killer on Android. I very much detest it instead, slowing things down with all the flash ads.
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Flash isn't just for ads, JPEGs aren't just for porn.
Flash died when adobe bought macromedia. Since then flash had got so bloated and slow; lags almost every browser with memory leaks. I would still rather have the ability to watch flash content than not have it, however.
On the other hand, it does pave the way for developers to just screw flash completely.
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What does flash have to do with quad cores?
Nothing of course.
And anyways, tegra 3 manages it's own core states, software is not involved.
And flash won't disappear on short term.. security updates will be released and source will be managed by other parties (google anyone)
Take it easy @ thread starter
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Dont be that pessimistic about flash. It has been a very problematic technology which required a huge amount of resource even from devices based on Atom cpu. I might just consider it as good news because websites would have to adapt their websites to use HTML5 which runs much smoother. It might just become the step which would take the world for a new standard which would replace the problematic flash technology. And for everybody that becomes concerned about websites that would not migrate their site to mobile devices playable technology i am pretty sure that it wont happen because that mobile devices market share is becoming much more significant from they to day
And who cares about flash anyways.. at this point its still handy every now and then, but this will change soon....
Flash is being used less and less and has nothing to do with desktop vs. Mobile ( ok only if you own an ipad lol)
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dimako83 said:
And for everybody that becomes concerned about websites that would not migrate their site to mobile devices playable technology i am pretty sure that it wont happen because that mobile devices market share is becoming much more significant from they to day
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no one says websites wont migrate to mobile platform. The problem is, when they do, it's usually in the form of APPS not standard webpage that works on all platforms. (many tech commentators have criticized this trend)
Most websites with mobile versions have only made one for Apple in form of an APP.
Given the market share of Android vs Apple, it doesn't take a genius to figure out which mobile platform websites will choose.
Tempie007 said:
What does flash have to do with quad cores?
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To that all I can do is remember my first laptop and it's unicore Sempron. Between Mozilla Firefox and Adobe Flash, a few hours of streaming music (don't even MENTION video!!!), my laptop would be hot. In fact on more than one occasion it went so far as to overheat. If I tried to compile projects and use Flash, I would get to sit and watch the temp gauge climb towards Halt & Catch Fire.
I'm sure some where in between a quad core and a companion CPU, they can make the TF P skip the HCF part .
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Could this lead to a situation that the TF1 with the lastest version of flash which will have some tweaks for tegra 2 might end up running flash better than the Prime as Adobe wont officially support the hardware?
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I saw that the nexus 7 comes with Chrome as default browser. Does it mean no more flash support?
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Fairly sure Chrome supports, if not will support, flash?
If not then the new build of Firefox which is out supports flash :highfive:
Chrome does not, and will not, support Flash.
I believe other browsers that support Flash should be fine though (for now).
As long as Adobe supports Jelly Bean, Flash should still work normally in other browsers.
I dint think chrome will be supporting it. just use opera mobile then
Opera mobile the best anyways
But I remember adobe once saying that ICS will be the last android version to support adobe flash.. Not sure though..
This got me curious, so I spent some time looking around the Nexus 7 webpage. It says that Flash IS supported, just not in Chrome. The note says that you can download Browser from Google Play. Presumably, other browsers with plugin support (Firefox 14) should be compatible as well.
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But I remember adobe once saying that ICS will be the last android version to support adobe flash.. Not sure though..
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It is. Though Jelly Bean isn't that big a jump OS wise, so it shouldn't have broken flash compatibility.
Chrome for android does not support flash and according to Adobe, it won't. Apparently you'll be able to download the usual default browser on the play store if you require flash, or an assortment of 3rd party browsers that support flash.
I'm not sure if anyone notice...
If you look at the Flash in Play Store, Adobe states that "Flash Player will not be supported in any Android version beyond 4.0.X"
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not being supported doesn't necessarily mean it wont work
Thank god. After all these years, Flash is dead.
Adobe has dropped flash support themselves I believe, which is understandable as flash is indeed on its way out now with many web apps and websites in general turning to HTML5 as more universal coding method. However, whilst Chrome does not support flash, simply installing another browser onto the Nexus should allow you flash support (Skyfire browser I think for one).
In my opinion, the stock browser in ICS, especially with quick controls enabled, is the best browser I've ever used. I'm happy to hear it will be available for download, however am indeed worried about getting flash installed on Jellybean. Adobe is not releasing Flash updates past security & fixes. one big thing I love about ICS is the ability to load full net pages, which use flash, at my choosing and would hate to loose this functionality if flash is not compatible with Jellybean.
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Thank god. After all these years, Flash is dead.
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You are my first boo post....... Booooooooo! There felt good
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not being supported doesn't necessarily mean it wont work
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This. Adobe won't fix it, but if it worked on ics it should still work on jelly bean. The next version is probably screwed though.
As stated before Adobe has stated before after ICS no more flash support.
Chrome for android never supported flash to begin with.
Frankly I think flash is a poor user experience on a tablet anyway.
It's unfortunately true: Chrome on Jelly Bean does not and will not support Flash. Chrome looks amazing otherwise. The question is: Will XDA devs be able to bake flash back in? Using a non-flash supporting browser is simply out of the question for me.
Don't get me started on how the rational of dropping flash support no longer applies. Tablets are now quad-core beasts that are supposed to replace laptops and provide the most complete browsing experience. I think Google -like Apple- just wants people to consume its media instead.
Why not just use a market browser that supports flash like Dolphin?
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Why not just use a market browser that supports flash like Dolphin?
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Sure, there's always 'that' solution, but it also means you miss out on Chrome. Firefo is bloody amazing but you need to re-load every page in Desktop mode, there's now way to make the client desktop from the start.
I want to use Chrome (mostly bec of the sync options with the desktop verison), but I also want to have flash... That's the thing.
After reading and watching multiple demonstrations of the Ubuntu phone os. I just can't seem to find features that I can't already do on my android. The notifications drawer is pretty neat in that you can pull it down at different places, but other than that, it just seems like a lightly modded android.
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luc.highwalker said:
After reading and watching multiple demonstrations of the Ubuntu phone os. I just can't seem to find features that I can't already do on my android. The notifications drawer is pretty neat in that you can pull it down at different places, but other than that, it just seems like a lightly modded android.
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I think for most users, they may not find value in this yet (until more apps are available and/or cheaper phones come out), but for those familiar with linux it will make a lot of sense.
I have been a linux developer for 3 years now (as a full time job) and I am just imagining all the cool stuff I can do with this device (at home and at work).
For one thing, you will likely be able to develop (native) apps on the phone itself instead of having to have a separate computer to do it. It might even be possible to develop Android apps!
It's basically a PC in your pocket so the apps will not be as limited as Android and iOS apps. There is still software out there that is not available on Android and iOS because those systems are designed for phones and tablets and don't fully support a desktop style interface. The appeal to an Ubuntu phone is that it can function as both, and you can develop software that will be interchangeable as both.
Thanks for your reply.
I'm not a developer (yet) so I can't say much on the subject. But I do know that you can develop apps directly on an Android device. There's even a Linux terminal Window.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see what people can make out of the phone. till then, I'll just stick to my beloved android
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If you love linux, this *could* be a game changer if it's done right. As BukaKing mentioned, the ability to run native apps on the OS is a huge plus, as you would then be able to make the most of the hardware presented rather than utilising a java engine.
Customisation I am assuming will also be a huge factor - Ubuntu Desktop can be so heavily customised, to function exactly how you want it to, so I am *assuming* that Ubuntu for Phones will be similar. So, just because the OS behaves a particular way on those video's circulating, does not necessarily mean that is how it is destined to remain. Once it's out there in the wild, I would even assume people unhappy with the lack of soft buttons may find them re-appear, as gnome/unity has the ability to create custom panels.
The oportunities I think this OS presents to smartphones is amazing, but in the end it comes down to 2 things for me. Will it be completely open source? If yes, then there could be a bunch of forks/derivitives explode around the webs where teams have customised the OS the way they want it. Developing for it would be far easier, so i'd expect if popularity gets high enough, apps will appear from everywhere. And, implimentation - will it be as easy for a non-linux user to pick up and use, as it will be for a linux user? Hopefully, that answer is yes too.
According to Shuttleworth, it will be 100% opensource! I can't wait till the code is released and we can all play with this. Since it will be using an android kernel and drivers I'm hoping it won't be to hard to compile from source for my phone.
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According to Shuttleworth, it will be 100% opensource! I can't wait till the code is released and we can all play with this. Since it will be using an android kernel and drivers I'm hoping it won't be to hard to compile from source for my phone.
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Helllooo! This what i was waiting for....Open source! so that ports can be made for devices that cant be officially supported by ubuntu. For those who keep saying ubuntu cant on GT-$5660 just STFU! No offense but Samsung said ICS or JB cant fully run properly on gio! and look it runs almost perfectly! So a bit of tweaking ubuntu for my device and we can run this!
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batman38102 said:
Helllooo! This what i was waiting for....Open source! so that ports can be made for devices that cant be officially supported by ubuntu. For those who keep saying ubuntu cant on GT-$5660 just STFU! No offense but Samsung said ICS or JB cant fully run properly on gio! and look it runs almost perfectly! So a bit of tweaking ubuntu for my device and we can run this!
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:banghead: :banghead: No.. It won't work on the S5660... Ubuntu phone is not android... Have you ever wrote a program? Compiled software? The binary is compiled using the arm hard float v7 instructions, you will need to recompile the kernel, the OS and every damn app.. the native apps are made with C++ not java ... You may be able to get a running build on a arm v6 like the S5660 but you can't install 3rd party apps from the store or proprietary apps unless the developer thought about that and supports it .. Likely not, they will be natively for arm v7 hf only...
If canonical would have chosen soft float instead of hard float then it would have worked, but it will be freaking slow and laggy..
Getting JB on that device is something else, it and android apps are running of a virtual machine .. That is the good thing about managed code and virtual machines and the reason sun Microsystems invented java in the first place ...
QML and c++ is not running off a virtual machine.. Its 100% native ...
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I'm wondering if native C++ Apps will not only be more efficient than Java on Android but if Ubuntu can take more advantage of multi-core systems than Android does. At least I have heared that Android isn't that optimized for multi-core phones.
jscurtu said:
:banghead: :banghead: No.. It won't work on the S5660... Ubuntu phone is not android... Have you ever wrote a program? Compiled software? The binary is compiled using the arm hard float v7 instructions, you will need to recompile the kernel, the OS and every damn app..
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Why does it have to be him that has to do that, some one else could do it and provide an image.
the native apps are made with C++ not java ...
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Yeah, who ever heard of making native apps in java!
The Ubuntu Phone OS equivalent to java will be HTML5.
You may be able to get a running build on a arm v6 like the S5660 but you can't install 3rd party apps from the store or proprietary apps unless the developer thought about that and supports it .. Likely not, they will be natively for arm v7 hf only...
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You go from saying "No.. it won't work" to saying "You may be able to get a running build", nice!
And what proprietary apps are there right now? The only apps that I have seen are either HTML5 or the one native app (the gallery app) that Canonical made which will be open source and can be rebuilt for any device.
Also this same problem exists for Android native app (android has a lot of them), the developers have to build binaries for the different Android devices. So you can port Android to an x86 device but you will not be able to run a lot of games unless they include binaries that support it. Games built with Unity 3D are native apps, games built on Adobe Flash/Air are native apps. Native apps *can be* more efficient in performance, memory and battery than Java apps. Also C++ in the case of mobile devices is more cross platform than Java, since it can be used on both iOS and Android, and the libraries in Android Java are not available on other platforms with Java.
QML itself is not technically native, it depends on how it is used. QML is a mix of objects/widgets and javascript (similar to HTML5), but native C++ code can access QML objects/widgets through Qt.
But that said, if Canonical doesn't officially support a device I would steer clear of updates. I just spent the weekend trying to update my HP Envy from Ubuntu 10.10 to 12.10 and I had a ton of problems, and while it works now, my USB is disabled for some reason (even though internal USB devices work). This isn't the first time this has happened to me with Ubuntu updates.
I wouldn't worry about it for the Galaxy Nexus since it is an officially supported device, but for devices that are ported too by some one else, I would avoid updates coming from Canonical.
Valve is testing Steam games for Ubuntu so we could be playing some real games on our phones soon.
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getrdy said:
Valve is testing Steam games for Ubuntu so we could be playing some real games on our phones soon.
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ARM != x86 .....
blackout23 said:
ARM != x86 .....
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What about those x86 based phones?
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Lesicnik1 said:
What about those x86 based phones?
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The smartphone GPU drivers and chips probably don't support OpenGL 3.0 like Steam games require.
Smartphones never had full blown OpenGL only OpenGLES (Embedded System).
Desktop PCs are still waaay more powerful than any smartphone. Any cheap Celeron CPU for 40 bucks will obliterate your Intel Atom powered smartphone.