Hello everyone. First off, be clear of one thing: FLASH will not work on our phones even when Froyo is out. Flash was an improvement in Froyo, but it is not going to be in all phones just because they have Froyo..
I see a lot of people complaining that the Froyo releases of the Galaxy 3 do not have Flash 10.1. I opened this topic to inform everyone who doesn't know that Flash is currently only supported on ARMv7 processors, namely the ARM Cortex A8 processors.
The Galaxy 3 has an ARMv6 processor, which is not currently supported by Flash. Adobe has mentioned that Flash might be supported on lower end processors in the near future, but right now it can only run on phones having an ARM Cortex A8 processor.
So right now, Flash is a no-go on our phone, even when the final Froyo update is released.
You can check the requirements for Flash on the following link:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#mobile
Also, check out this link which mentions that ARM might be supported on ARM11 (ARMv6) devices in the future:
http://androidandme.com/2010/08/news/flash-player-10-1-could-appear-on-some-arm11-devices/
For those who wonder why the HTC phones have Flash, just found out that the Flash Player on HTC has been developed by HTC themselves. It is not the actual Adobe Flash Player 10.1..
So we can only hope that until final FROYO relese Adobe will mode Flash to work on our hardware
aantdesign said:
So we can only hope that until final FROYO relese Adobe will mode Flash to work on our hardware
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Not likely. Adobe has said they might make it work on these processors, but it surely isn't at the top of their agenda right now.
But on the other side, if We ask at loud and if we do it in weaves, they will change their mind and support our hardware
addicted2088 said:
Not likely. Adobe has said they might make it work on these processors, but it surely isn't at the top of their agenda right now.
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Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
workaround
Where do you want to use flash ?
a) WEB:
Because you can use SKYFIRE which converts at their servers flash to html5 and you can watch converted flash video at your mobile
b) SD card applications:
I had on my XPERIA X1 (which has slower CPU) flash player and many many flash games. It was working without any lags.
c) what if you install flash player 10 like 3th party application ?
d) do you want to launch complicated Flash www pages at your mobile ? With this stupid resolution ? I think that:
- it has no sense (I hate to read anythink on this display)
- sooner or later the pages will be converted to html5 and we will be able to have them.
So please for what reason do you need flash ?
nastyba said:
Where do you want to use flash ?
a) WEB:
Because you can use SKYFIRE which converts at their servers flash to html5 and you can watch converted flash video at your mobile
b) SD card applications:
I had on my XPERIA X1 (which has slower CPU) flash player and many many flash games. It was working without any lags.
c) what if you install flash player 10 like 3th party application ?
d) do you want to launch complicated Flash www pages at your mobile ? With this stupid resolution ? I think that:
- it has no sense (I hate to read anythink on this display)
- sooner or later the pages will be converted to html5 and we will be able to have them.
So please for what reason do you need flash ?
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Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
The main requirement of flash is a VFPU(vector floating point unit).it is a physical device that should be present in the chip for flash to work.the older arm processors(arm1136) does not support it(thats why adobe said they wont support older processors). Our processor(arm1176) supports it but it is optional.so it all depends on whether samsung implemnted vfpu in this chip. Considering what they did with 3d graphics my hopes are pretty low.
Flash isnt essential but it would have been nice to have it.i didnt know about these things before i bought the phone.but considering the fact that no device. Anywhere near this price range supports it,i am happy with the phone.
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Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
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Check out this site:
"androidandme.com/2010/08/news/flash-player-10-1-could-appear-on-some-arm11-devices/"
ARM11 is ARMv6, which is there in our phones. So right now it's not gonna work in our phones.
Also check out these mobile system requirements mentioned on Adobe's site:
"adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#mobile"
ROLY5573 said:
Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
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I agree, also SPB TV works or Orange streaming TV (for orange customers), without any problem. I think that it's pricing policy - producers don't want to squeeze the maximum from the cheap phones.
nastyba said:
I agree, also SPB TV works or Orange streaming TV (for orange customers), without any problem. I think that it's pricing policy - producers don't want to squeeze the maximum from the cheap phones.
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As Adobe releases Flash for free, it doesn't really matter to them if it's used in cheap or costly phones. The ARMv6 processor is not necessarily used only in cheap phones. Rendering Flash content is a processor intensive job, so it is not an easy job to port it to lower end processors.
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As Adobe releases Flash for free, it doesn't really matter to them if it's used in cheap or costly phones. The ARMv6 processor is not necessarily used only in cheap phones. Rendering Flash content is a processor intensive job, so it is not an easy job to port it to lower end processors.
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and HTC wildfire ? I din't mean this no motivation for Adobe but for Samsung to support the cheaper phone. They just implement some widgets, youtube as a start, but later they do not care about old models.
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and HTC wildfire ? I din't mean this no motivation for Adobe but for Samsung to support the cheaper phone. They just implement some widgets, youtube as a start, but later they do not care about old models.
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HTC has been giving Flash support for their Eclair phones, but it doesn't work that great. If you check the Wildfire review on GSMArena, Flash has trouble playing videos on all sites, and only simple games run nicely.
Flash can run on ARMv6 processors, but it hasn't been developed properly for it yet. And no one except HTC gives support for Flash in their Eclair running phones, so it's not only Samsung's fault. Plus, even Samsung gave Flash on the high-end Galaxy S AFTER it was upgraded to Froyo.
Let's see, it's bound to come out for ARMv6 processors sometime, as budget Android phones are only gonna increase in popularity.
U are right
ROLY5573 said:
Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
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ROLY5573 said:
Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
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I really hope you know that HTML5 isn't finnished yet, and will take more 2 years to be finnished. Till there, yes we need flash...
addicted2088 said:
HTC has been giving Flash support for their Eclair phones, but it doesn't work that great. If you check the Wildfire review on GSMArena, Flash has trouble playing videos on all sites, and only simple games run nicely.
Flash can run on ARMv6 processors, but it hasn't been developed properly for it yet. And no one except HTC gives support for Flash in their Eclair running phones, so it's not only Samsung's fault. Plus, even Samsung gave Flash on the high-end Galaxy S AFTER it was upgraded to Froyo.
Let's see, it's bound to come out for ARMv6 processors sometime, as budget Android phones are only gonna increase in popularity.
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now it's clear
welty said:
I really hope you know that HTML5 isn't finnished yet, and will take more 2 years to be finnished. Till there, yes we need flash...
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what about LG OO or other 200€ devices ?
Is there any other app that makes flash possible on our phones?
skyfire
flash doesnt work on p500 either....
Hey
It is possible, to install a Flash Lite on 2.2? Because we don't have any flash, and can't watch videos through skyfire. But no - I won't come back to 2.1
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Check this out..
Now if only one of our Devs can get their hands on a beta.
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/10/05/flash-player-10-1-to-support-smartphones-nvidia-powered-netbook/
Video of palm pre running flash 10
Adobe has announced that Flash 10.1 will support GPU acceleration for NVIDIA graphics, which means that if you've got a computer with NVIDIA GeForce, ION, or Tegra graphics in it, you should be able to watch high definition Flash video in fullscreen mode even if you have a slow processor like an Intel Atom or ARM-based chip.
What's more, Adobe is going to bring Flash 10.1 to Smartphones, ending the separate but unequal era of Flash Lite. Flash 10.1 will be available for Blackberry, Windows Mobile, Google Android, and Symbian phones. The iPhone's not on that list because Adobe still hasn't worked out an arrangement with Apple to add support for Flash 10.1 to the iPhone's Safari web browser, but that could still happen.
Flash 10.1 is due to hit the streets in the first half of 2010. But there should be beta versions available before the end of 2009.
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It was probably auto-closed for having the word "Flash" in it or something.
Anyway, I really do hope this is true. It'll likely make competition between mobile and desktop browsers, which is a good thing, since before the iPhone, Opera Mobile, Iris Browser, and finally the Android browser, the mobile web was one of those areas that you would have to expect your site sliced-and-diced to fit the screen.
P.S.: wouldn't this go in the Dream general forum? It's not specifically related to dev'ing, other than the fact that ROM devs would likely cook Flash into their ROMs once the beta leaks or something.
I'm not sure where it is but about 2 months ago they demoed the alpha of the same flash on the g1 with gpu acceleration as well. seemed to run nicely. basically it comes out at the "end of this year" according to the adobe dev emails I get. Unless of course we can get a leak sooner. can't wait
TylTru said:
It was probably auto-closed for having the word "Flash" in it or something.
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We don't auto close anything, however mods have the option to close multiple threads at once, someone might have ticked the wrong box, really we're humans
Greetz,
Flar
p.s. I think it would be better suited in dream general indeed and will move it.
I thought Android's browser was webkit based?
If it is, then there is no logical reason that iPhone-Safari can't already have it, since that is also webkit. My guess is just Apple being stupid and rejecting it as usual.
All the more reason to buy an Android.
I think Apple wont allow it because full flash can take a big bite out of the apple app store/itunes
(just my opinion)
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signed up for the beta hope that our androids have full flash support next
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
lbcoder said:
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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I think that is pretty much along the same thing that Steve Jobs said about not implementing Flash to iPhone/iPad/iTouch devices. Although I agree with it but like you said yourself there are so many websites that won't ditch it. When something better comes around (not saying that there isn't already) then I'm sure that they will look forward to that as well. Until then... I want HULU!
Plus, I know that Netflix is wanting to implement their movie streaming services to Android sometime soon too! Can't wait!
I will be notified when its up
lbcoder said:
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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LOL. Calm down. I do agree with you that flash slows down web browsing with ads but that is why I downloaded AdFree from the market. HTML-5 is slowing taking over and Android 2.0+ is compatible with that already (or just need a simple plug-in). Anyway, we can use our phones to enjoy the FULL internet experience.
Signed up and ready!
And flash can die when I can have the ENTIRE web experience given to me by something else.
Until then, LONG LIVE FLASH!!!
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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Finally, someone in the android community that understands this. Flash is not only guilty of the above, it also murders puppies.
lbcoder said:
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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Flash isn't gonna die any time soon.
It's like mp3. It's an awful lossy format that sounds terrible, yet, because it's so small everyone uses it, despite the fact formats such as OGGVORBIS give much better sound quality in a smaller file. Also, it's completely open source, which is always nice
Meltus said:
Flash isn't gonna die any time soon.
It's like mp3. It's an awful lossy format that sounds terrible, yet, because it's so small everyone uses it, despite the fact formats such as OGGVORBIS give much better sound quality in a smaller file. Also, it's completely open source, which is always nice
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mp3 is open source.
flash, though the specifications are free, is NOT OPEN.
It is closed -- only decodable by a piece of proprietary garbage.
mp3 does NOT have this problem.
Meltus said:
Flash isn't gonna die any time soon.
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... not if complete **IDIOTS** keep using it!!!
lbcoder said:
... not if complete **IDIOTS** keep using it!!!
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Are you a anti-flash movement or something? geez leave it alone.. one guy on a XDA forum will not make a piece of software die so stop crying.
Too many people use it so instead of being close minded and say it's terrible blah blah open your mind and think, why not have flash AND others like plugins so everyone can enjoy or chose to use what they want. It's called best of both worlds.
lbcoder said:
mp3 is open source.
flash, though the specifications are free, is NOT OPEN.
It is closed -- only decodable by a piece of proprietary garbage.
mp3 does NOT have this problem.
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"If you decide to sell your music in MP3 format, you are responsible for paying Fraunhofer a percentage of each sale because you are using their patents."
OggVorbis is completely free, which is what i was trying to explain
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... not if complete **IDIOTS** keep using it!!!
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I'm not sure if that was aimed at me, but if so, well done for completely missing the point of my post...
lbcoder said:
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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Translation:
" Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. :'( "
A few people on a forum not downloading flash for Android will change absolutely nothing.
We are accessing the content, not publishing it........
Meltus said:
"If you decide to sell your music in MP3 format, you are responsible for paying Fraunhofer a percentage of each sale because you are using their patents."
OggVorbis is completely free, which is what i was trying to explain
I'm not sure if that was aimed at me, but if so, well done for completely missing the point of my post...
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YOU are missing the point. This ISNT ABOUT distributing. This is about USING. MP3 encoders and decoders are available, FOR FREE. *ANYONE* can use it. Distributing commercial content in that format is subject to licensing fees. So what?
The point is that ADOBE is TERRIBLE at supporting their product -- flash. They took the better part of a DECADE TO SUPPORT AMD64, and that is only on linux.
Their software is terrible and buggy.
Only a MINORITY of web users are *ABLE* to use flash content (whether due to use of a platform adobe doesn't support, or due to DEFECTS in flash plugin).
It is also a HORRIBLE resource hog!
And to top it all off, there is NO REASON to use it! Everything it does can be done BETTER with things that are STANDARD. And FYI: These standard things actually WORK and use VERY LITTLE RESOURCES.
So please explain HOW it is to anyone's benefit to keep using this CRAP!
To kill it requires that EVERYBODY DOES NOT USE IT. Already right now MOST PEOPLE do NOT USE IT.
The more people do NOT use flash, the more web developers will realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot by using it!
If developers use the SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVES, then those sites will work for EVERYBODY, and flash will finally die.
Which means that people won't need to wait for adobe to support new platforms (without exception, this takes YEARS), or fix bugs (again, typically takes YEARS).
Also realize this: flash sites ***ARE VANISHING***. I can't think of ONE SINGLE SITE that still requires flash, except for youtube -- and it is going to vanish from there very soon... as soon as they decide on the appropriate video format (going to be ON8, theora, or h264).
Flash runs amazingly for me, until something better can do everything it does and better, Ill keep using it.
End of story.
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Also realize this: flash sites ***ARE VANISHING***. I can't think of ONE SINGLE SITE that still requires flash, except for youtube -- and it is going to vanish from there very soon... as soon as they decide on the appropriate video format (going to be ON8, theora, or h264).
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So you're saying that only YouTube uses Flash? Are you on crack?
One word... PORN. There are millions of sites out there that uses Flash based content too.
Then there are other sites such as Hulu. Huge site that is generating revenue off of their adds and soon as a paid membership service.
There are streaming sites like local news stations that deliver real time content to your hands.
Then there are Flash games as well.
Many cell phones are beginning to support Flash content because it is so common on websites. The more people that stare at their cell phones the more hooked they are on the service that their cellular company provides. Which mean more customers, more money, more profit. Notice that many of the phones these days are getting thinner but the screens are getting wider? Do you think it's because people just want to have a nice bright 4" screen on their hip or in their pocket? People use these new devices for multimedia and web browsing and not just for texting and making phone calls. Web browsing isn't complete if you can only browse wap and mobile friendly web pages. Flash is also a smaller file that is easy to stream... which is cheaper for cellular providers. Sure they may have to upgrade their network for the 34,000,000 subscribers that are watching last nights episode of Lost on their phones (hypothetical)... but they are investing in all of that anyway. Why do you suppose that is? For situations such as this. Should Flash disappear it would be an awful waste of research, development, sales and technology. Yes, there are alternatives... but are they more convenient than what we already have in place that works? If it's not broke, don't fix it. If Flash was going to become obsolete it'll more than likely be replaced by mp4. I can see your point of view but I can see how this multimedia evolution is progressing.
text> html colors > jpeg > gif > flash > mp4? > 3Dmp4 > Virtual Reality > Brain Implants
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YOU are missing the point. This ISNT ABOUT distributing. This is about USING. MP3 encoders and decoders are available, FOR FREE. *ANYONE* can use it. Distributing commercial content in that format is subject to licensing fees. So what?
The point is that ADOBE is TERRIBLE at supporting their product -- flash. They took the better part of a DECADE TO SUPPORT AMD64, and that is only on linux.
Their software is terrible and buggy.
Only a MINORITY of web users are *ABLE* to use flash content (whether due to use of a platform adobe doesn't support, or due to DEFECTS in flash plugin).
It is also a HORRIBLE resource hog!
And to top it all off, there is NO REASON to use it! Everything it does can be done BETTER with things that are STANDARD. And FYI: These standard things actually WORK and use VERY LITTLE RESOURCES.
So please explain HOW it is to anyone's benefit to keep using this CRAP!
To kill it requires that EVERYBODY DOES NOT USE IT. Already right now MOST PEOPLE do NOT USE IT.
The more people do NOT use flash, the more web developers will realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot by using it!
If developers use the SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVES, then those sites will work for EVERYBODY, and flash will finally die.
Which means that people won't need to wait for adobe to support new platforms (without exception, this takes YEARS), or fix bugs (again, typically takes YEARS).
Also realize this: flash sites ***ARE VANISHING***. I can't think of ONE SINGLE SITE that still requires flash, except for youtube -- and it is going to vanish from there very soon... as soon as they decide on the appropriate video format (going to be ON8, theora, or h264).
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Wtf are you having a go at me for? i agree with you.
My point was, that like flash, there are better audio formats available that can do the job much better than mp3s, but because the majority of people don't really care and are not very knowledgeable on the subject, they see no reason to change. It's the same with flash. They don't know that there are any alternatives and, so they see no point in using anything different.
For developers, flash may not be the best thing to use, but EVERYONE has heard of it. From a marketing point of view, it's best to use a brand that you have heard of than one you haven't.
Why are you actually getting so worked up about this? You seem to be the ONLY person who actually cares, and next time, please actually READ my posts before you have a massive rant at me when i actually ****ing agree with you.
Also, only a minority of web users can use Flash? wtf? I'd quite confidently say the majority of web users are either on Windows or on a Mac. Both of which have fantastic flash support.
Flash won't be replaced till there is something to replace it with. Please don't say HTML 5 cause thats a complete joke. As hulu just said in a press release. HTML is nice and cool but for our statistics and our video quality HTML 5 is many years behind flash. Just take a look at youtube and thier HTML5 experment. With the power and money of google behind them their HTML5 site looks like crap compared to their flash site.
Also HTML 5 severly lacks in vector graphics which was the main selling point about flash for years. Then take into account cross platform bugs and development and HTML 5 is just gonna be a flashy form of HTML 4. Flash is so powerfull it will always have a home. Hell now you can make iphone and ipad apps with it, even after Stevo gave the no no.
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Flash won't be replaced till there is something to replace it with.
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That is just the point... there is NO NEED to replace it. It doesn't do ANYTHING USEFUL!
Please don't say HTML 5 cause thats a complete joke. As hulu just said in a press release. HTML is nice and cool but for our statistics and our video quality HTML 5 is many years behind flash.
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Are you trying to say that VP6 is better than h264 and VP8? Because that just makes you look like a flashtard.
Just take a look at youtube and thier HTML5 experment. With the power and money of google behind them their HTML5 site looks like crap compared to their flash site.
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Based on your statement here, I just took a look, and you know what? It is EXACTLY THE SAME. The ONLY difference is that when you come across a webm/VP8 or h264 transcoded video, they don't need to load that flash bloat garbage.
Also HTML 5 severly lacks in vector graphics
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How does this apply to html5 at all? If the image is a vector graphic, it is up to the browser to handle it. If YOUR browser doesn't handle vector graphics properly, don't whine about html5, whine about your browser, or better yet, CONTRIBUTE to it.
which was the main selling point about flash for years.
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Which remains unnecessary. Vector graphics are cool and all, but hardly worth subjecting yourself to the intense BLOAT.
Then take into account cross platform bugs and development and HTML 5 is just gonna be a flashy form of HTML 4.
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Huh? You seem to be SERIOUSLY CONFUSED.
Multi-platform support has ALWAYS been one of the MANY MANY SERIOUS weaknesses of flash. They take YEARS TOO LONG to support new platforms -- if EVER (see apple). Their new platform support is always buggy and slow. The multi-platform nature of HTML5 is its STRENGTH and will ENSURE that it is selected more consistently than that terrible flash thing.
Flash is so powerfull it will always have a home.
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Now you're REALLY dreaming.
Flash is NOT powerful. It is WEAK. It is SLOW. It is UGLY. It brings about INCOMPATIBILITY. It never did ANYTHING useful for ANYBODY. The ONLY reason why anyone uses it now (or has EVER used it) is because they don't/didn't know any better.
Just wondering, where does this come from? I've seen this in multiple threads now, but have never seen any official source?
I read this somewhere on a reputable blog can't remember which one. That is why it is still beta apparently.
Adobe hasn't pulled the trigger on tapping into the hardware yet.
semi related question but I don't feel like creating a thread for that : Is Flash included in the FroYo update ? I thought it would but I just installed Paul's pre-rooted FroYo update, and I don't seem to have flash :-/
It is not included. But it is supported. Go to the market and search for it. Then download it.
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Adobe hasn't pulled the trigger on tapping into the hardware yet.
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Can you link where this was posted?
Again, I've heard this so many times now, but I've yet to see where this information is coming from!
I've mostly heard it from interviews with adobe people, and presentations of the beta from months ago.
A quick search brought this first link up.
That might change with the formal launch of Android 2.2, when handset manufacturers use hardware decoding for Flash. In the beta, it's done through software.
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?&entry_id=64059
Even on computers, flash isn't tapping into hardware. It's the reason people hate flash. It's a huge resource hog as it calls on too much ram and cpu instead of asking for the graphics side of the computer.
Yup, that's what I read. Beta = software only.
Oh thanks Markdental, got it ^^
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I've mostly heard it from interviews with adobe people, and presentations of the beta from months ago.
A quick search brought this first link up.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?&entry_id=64059
Even on computers, flash isn't tapping into hardware. It's the reason people hate flash. It's a huge resource hog as it calls on too much ram and cpu instead of asking for the graphics side of the computer.
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Hmm, not exactly official...
Did Adobe (or Google) ever say it themselves?
OR is there a way for us to determine this ourselves?
Flash has always been based on software, on any platform.
10.1 is supposed to bring relief to computers, phones, laptops and netbooks alike. The beta is still based on software. The end goal of 10.1 is to have it hook into hardware, but that hasn't happened yet.
JCopernicus said:
Flash has always been based on software, on any platform.
10.1 is supposed to bring relief to computers, phones, laptops and netbooks alike. The beta is still based on software. The end goal of 10.1 is to have it hook into hardware, but that hasn't happened yet.
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I think Paul is just looking for some proof that this is the case. Not just more people saying the same thing.
In the release notes (new user, cant link) it says:
H.264 video hardware decoding
Flash Player 10.1 introduces hardware-based H.264 video decoding to deliver smooth, high quality video with minimal overhead across mobile devices and PCs. Using available hardware to decode video offloads tasks from the CPU, improving video playback performance, reducing system resource utilization, and preserving battery life.
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but under Known Issues it says
Flash on Android supports software decoding for all the same H.264 profiles as Flash on the desktop, and uses the hardware decoder for videos using H.264 Baseline Profile and Level <= 3.2.
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which makes me believe that GPU acceleration is in place, but not for that many videos yet.
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In the release notes (new user, cant link) it says:
but under Known Issues it says
which makes me believe that GPU acceleration is in place, but not for that many videos yet.
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Hmm if so..what sites or video player would be H.264 based?
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I think Paul is just looking for some proof that this is the case. Not just more people saying the same thing.
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Sure I guess, but all that stuff is based on engineers and employees displaying the betas.
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I think Paul is just looking for some proof that this is the case. Not just more people saying the same thing.
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Yes! Exactly.
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In the release notes (new user, cant link) it says:
but under Known Issues it says
which makes me believe that GPU acceleration is in place, but not for that many videos yet.
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You can always just remove the http://www. part to provide a text link.
Anyway, found it: http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flash_Player_10.1_for_Android
As you said "Flash on Android supports software decoding for all the same H.264 profiles as Flash on the desktop, and uses the hardware decoder for videos using H.264 Baseline Profile and Level <= 3.2."
So... Wouldn't that be proof right there that Flash on Android already *DOES* support hardware decoding?
Engadget states that; "according to Adobe, the pre-release beta they have doesn't support hardware acceleration" - unless they are using a different beta, there currently is no hardware acceleration in the version of Flash we are currently using.
http://i.engadget.com/2010/05/20/android-2-2-froyo-beta-hands-on-flash-10-1-wifi-hotspots-an/
There is an official statement from Adobe that the final version will be hardware accelerated using the H.264 codec. This does reqiure websites to update their flash content to support the mobile version... however some sites won't if they already use H.264 for their video encoding in their flash. Games are the big one that will need to be updated and optimized.
I am at work, so can't really search too much for it, I am limited to only a handful of phone websites, with my phone I can find info, but copying over a link is a lot of work.
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There is an official statement from Adobe that the final version will be hardware accelerated using the H.264 codec. This does reqiure websites to update their flash content to support the mobile version... however some sites won't if they already use H.264 for their video encoding in their flash. Games are the big one that will need to be updated and optimized.
I am at work, so can't really search too much for it, I am limited to only a handful of phone websites, with my phone I can find info, but copying over a link is a lot of work.
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Any idea which site it was?
And work on a Sunday! Boo. Also, a neat trick: open up the Gmail app, hit compose, paste whatever you want, and save as draft. Boom, now it's in Gmail on your desktop. Great way to transfer data back and forth easily.
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Any idea which site it was?
And work on a Sunday! Boo. Also, a neat trick: open up the Gmail app, hit compose, paste whatever you want, and save as draft. Boom, now it's in Gmail on your desktop. Great way to transfer data back and forth easily.
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I can't login to my gmail at work, though. I guess I could post it with my phone, but to be honest a little too lazy.
It was on Adobe's website, and there were a couple news articles about it as well...
http://www.24worldnews.com/adobe-flash-10-1-for-android/14512/
I hope that works for you for now, it should be a news brief of the Adobe announcement.
Skype just updated their Android app and stated that those phones not directly on the list but running 2.2 should still be able to manually enable skype via going into settings....unfortunately when I installed it there is no enable video call...
Link to article --> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2372..._on_more_android_smartphones.html#tk.rss_news
Wonder if this is because I'm now on gingerbread and its not enabled generically on 2.3.4 or the other line in the story is if video enablement is not visible in settings it means your phone does not meet minimum requirements (hard to believe as this is more advanced than many of the enabled phones)
Hoping some of our devs can find a hack to enable!!!
So they have, that sucks because I have contacts I would frequently like to call using video.
I want video calls support too ...
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA11019/How-do-I-make-video-calls-with-Skype-for-Android#6 :::
* This specifically does not include some tablets that use the Tegra 2 chipset (e.g. Android tablets and Motorola Atrix do not support video calling).
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So they have, that sucks because I have contacts I would frequently like to call using video.
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Outside of Fring which isn't nearly as well known and no PC platform, it would allow you to make video calls to all our iphone contacts plus PC/Mac users.
I've used the yahoo messenger videochat and its not bad, but not nearly as many people use/run yahoo messenger so its not as ubiquitous as skype..
Come on! ask for it !
http://community.skype.com/t5/Android/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Video-Calling/td-p/56850
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Come on! ask for it !
http://community.skype.com/t5/Android/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Video-Calling/td-p/56850
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Thanks for the link! I will post on that thread and ask them.
their library does not support the Tegra. Our processor doesn't support NEON architecture, which the Skype video libary uses. there's no way devs can get around it, because they've tried. The main Skype app hacker, droidrx, in the Software forum IS an Atrix owner, ironically. He's enabled video on Skype for dozens of devices but ours will NOT work until Skype makes the library compatible with the Tegra.
see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1153285
Anyone read this before and have access to this kit?
Tegra 2 enables new mobile media and gaming capabilities:
For the first time, consumers will be able to game with multiple players using different types of devices. For example, a Tegra 2-powered super phone or tablet can be used to play with players on a desktop PC.
NVIDIA demonstrated a prototype of Skype HD video calling on an Android tablet at its CES 2011 press conference. NVIDIA developed a reference implementation of HD video conferencing on Tegra 2-based tablets using SkypeKit. SkypeKit is a collection of software and APIs that allows virtually any Internet connected device to offer Skype voice and video calls.
Tango
There is a good option that I just started using which is TANGO. This app is compatible with the iOS devices, and have just announced support for Windows. Skype does not have the slightest intent to support the Tegra CPU.
Come on skype...The atrix community wants video too.
our phone is such the most powerful phone that we dont support skype. gotta love irony eh? ;D
I'm starting to regret getting the Atrix soley based on Tegra 2, it seems to be responsible for more problems than good it does.
:/ Darn. Well this sucks.
we just have to be patient.
i can't wait until the atrix gets skype w/ video.
Dude u dont regret about getting a phone just because you dont have enough support available for it yet. When the phone came out, people who bought it bought 'em not only because its a nice sexy piece of harware but its the most powerful phone of its time.
Lets deal with, things are getting better, bootloader unlocked, new custom roms available, all sorts of hacks are being made available... it will get there when we can make a video call through skype...
just wait not hate..
Cheers
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I'm starting to regret getting the Atrix soley based on Tegra 2, it seems to be responsible for more problems than good it does.
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wycs said:
I'm starting to regret getting the Atrix soley based on Tegra 2, it seems to be responsible for more problems than good it does.
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I'm with you...I guess I never caught the Neon issue and not being able to run full HD which I thought was actually the opposite and big reason I bought this phone...related I was not expecting the compatibility issues with the Tegra2..
Screw skype.. come on cm7. Then ill worry about skype
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I'm with you...I guess I never caught the Neon issue and not being able to run full HD which I thought was actually the opposite and big reason I bought this phone...related I was not expecting the compatibility issues with the Tegra2..
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we can run full HD last time i checked. on the GB release notes 1080p playback was listed
pretty sad that bigOl' NVidia tegra 1 was fail, not tegra 2 is still missing features. they make some of the best chips, i mean.. come on. at least AMD didnt make it LOL, our phones would be 100C and melt. but still. im sure we will get support sometime, when nokia releases their new Meebo phone they are working on i think im going to go to that for a while and wait to tegra 2 gets fully optimized.
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we can run full HD last time i checked. on the GB release notes 1080p playback was listed
pretty sad that bigOl' NVidia tegra 1 was fail, not tegra 2 is still missing features. they make some of the best chips, i mean.. come on. at least AMD didnt make it LOL, our phones would be 100C and melt. but still. im sure we will get support sometime, when nokia releases their new Meebo phone they are working on i think im going to go to that for a while and wait to tegra 2 gets fully optimized.
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Gingerbread cannot run full profile HD whether it be 720 or 1080P due to lack of NEON code. Which most likely is the same reason why skype video does not work on Tegra 2...Plenty of posts about full profile HD not running on Tegra 2, not now probably not ever...
Skype Video for Tegra 2
IIRC, on CES 2011, nVidia wrote an app using SkypeKit and demoed video calling with the Tegra 2.
So although the official Skype app requires NEON instruction sets, I wonder if it is possible to write an app similar to nVidia's which we know works with Tegra 2.
Today, the death of MOBILE Flash was announced.
This a major killer app gone from the Android arsenal.
NOTE that Flash continues to develop on the Desktop environment.
Gone also is a major demander of CPU cycles.
I think this means two things:
1. (Less) Need for High power CPUs on Android platform
2. The beginning a two tier web experience. One for Desktops, one for mobile.
Which means we'll be as restricted from a desktop web experience as Apple Mobile products, AND WITHOUT the market sway of APPLE that mitigates and forces some websites to develop specifically for Apple products (ie: APP version of website).
I won't say this is the death of Android as a platform, but it could be a major blow.
Given this I have more reason to buy Windows 8 tablet next instead of Android.
There will always be some websites (ie: Megavideo or anime websites) that only develop for Desktop in mind, they don't care or have the resources to develop a HTML5 / APP for every platform out there.
And EVEN if they were to develop an APP, you know it'll be for Apple platform.
So Android is disadvantaged.
It's not as bad as you think.
- Adobe will continue to provide critical updates to existing Flash versions on Android
- It will potentially hand over development to third-parties
- Adobe AIR and HTML5 work fine on Android
Yes, it will score a dent on the platform but it is by no means that Flash will suddenly be pulled out of the Market or something. Let's just hope Adobe will release the Flash 11 with better Stage3D before it closes further development.
I just wish they would give the desktop version the axe as well, but hey, I'm being more pred'd than prac' there
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i think it all depends on pricing and preference. I see windows phone out now but android phones are still beating them. so what makes you think that windows will have a bigger effect in the tablet market?
to me the pricing makes a big difference. i think the avarage joe doesn't care if they are getting windows, apple, android just how much it costs. if cost was not an option, they would probably go apple then windows/android just because of name recognition. Although I do think they would lean more towards android as a 2nd option over windows since that is probably what they have on their phone.
Youre overreacting, adobe will continue to fix bugs in flash. Meaning if quad core processors give errors associated with flash they will probably be fixed.
And the discontinue will hopefully bring more developers to adobe-AIR, so it will be way easier to code apps for different platforms.
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I personally wish they'd stop using Adobe entirely and use web standards, not some proprietary crap.
I really don't think the ability to run Flash has been such a huge competitive advantage for Android, at least not among the general public. Apple's still doing fine without it, and certainly on tablets Flash hasn't made a material difference.
It'll remain variety and price that keeps Android successful. And the idea that the Tegra 3's performance is somehow irrelevant because Flash will be going away someday seems a bit strange to me. I can think of many things a tablet (or phone) can do that benefit from better performance other than Flash.
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I really don't think the ability to run Flash has been such a huge competitive advantage for Android, at least not among the general public. Apple's still doing fine without it, and certainly on tablets Flatsh hasn't made a material difference.
It'll remain variety and price that keeps Android successful. And the idea that the Tegra 3's performance is somehow irrelevant because Flash will be going away someday seems a bit strange to me. I can think of many things a tablet (or phone) can do that benefit from better performance other than Flash.
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Exactly. I've never thought of Flash as anything killer on Android. I very much detest it instead, slowing things down with all the flash ads.
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Youre overreacting, adobe will continue to fix bugs in flash. Meaning if quad core processors give errors associated with flash they will probably be fixed.
And the discontinue will hopefully bring more developers to adobe-AIR, so it will be way easier to code apps for different platforms.
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Continue to fix bugs of the current version of Flash. But what happens when they release Flash 12 for the desktop, and all the websites migrate over to it?
Your videos on these website won't launch.
The stated also that they wont be adding support for newer hardware
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Apple's still doing fine without it, and certainly on tablets Flash hasn't made a material difference.
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Apple will do well without Flash because they're APPLE. They have APP versions of the websites that use flash because of their persuasive market share.
WE DON'T
The sky is falling.
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Exactly. I've never thought of Flash as anything killer on Android. I very much detest it instead, slowing things down with all the flash ads.
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Flash isn't just for ads, JPEGs aren't just for porn.
Flash died when adobe bought macromedia. Since then flash had got so bloated and slow; lags almost every browser with memory leaks. I would still rather have the ability to watch flash content than not have it, however.
On the other hand, it does pave the way for developers to just screw flash completely.
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What does flash have to do with quad cores?
Nothing of course.
And anyways, tegra 3 manages it's own core states, software is not involved.
And flash won't disappear on short term.. security updates will be released and source will be managed by other parties (google anyone)
Take it easy @ thread starter
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Dont be that pessimistic about flash. It has been a very problematic technology which required a huge amount of resource even from devices based on Atom cpu. I might just consider it as good news because websites would have to adapt their websites to use HTML5 which runs much smoother. It might just become the step which would take the world for a new standard which would replace the problematic flash technology. And for everybody that becomes concerned about websites that would not migrate their site to mobile devices playable technology i am pretty sure that it wont happen because that mobile devices market share is becoming much more significant from they to day
And who cares about flash anyways.. at this point its still handy every now and then, but this will change soon....
Flash is being used less and less and has nothing to do with desktop vs. Mobile ( ok only if you own an ipad lol)
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And for everybody that becomes concerned about websites that would not migrate their site to mobile devices playable technology i am pretty sure that it wont happen because that mobile devices market share is becoming much more significant from they to day
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no one says websites wont migrate to mobile platform. The problem is, when they do, it's usually in the form of APPS not standard webpage that works on all platforms. (many tech commentators have criticized this trend)
Most websites with mobile versions have only made one for Apple in form of an APP.
Given the market share of Android vs Apple, it doesn't take a genius to figure out which mobile platform websites will choose.
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What does flash have to do with quad cores?
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To that all I can do is remember my first laptop and it's unicore Sempron. Between Mozilla Firefox and Adobe Flash, a few hours of streaming music (don't even MENTION video!!!), my laptop would be hot. In fact on more than one occasion it went so far as to overheat. If I tried to compile projects and use Flash, I would get to sit and watch the temp gauge climb towards Halt & Catch Fire.
I'm sure some where in between a quad core and a companion CPU, they can make the TF P skip the HCF part .
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Could this lead to a situation that the TF1 with the lastest version of flash which will have some tweaks for tegra 2 might end up running flash better than the Prime as Adobe wont officially support the hardware?
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