I have no idea how to do this, but I thought that maybe now with the Windows 8 Developer Preview being available for free download without activation, somebody might be able to work on a port of this to the Xoom.
Because Windows 8 is supposed to be built around the idea of running it on multi-touch screens, I think the Xoom would be the perfect candidate.
If anyone wants to try this and wants to put in the coding effort, I will help however I can.
They haven't released the Arm compatible version yet. There is only 32bit (x86), vanilla 64 bit, and a 64 dev version available for download so far.
Microsoft has stated that there is no ARM support in the dev preview, so were gonna have to wait till at least a beta comes out.
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Now are the arm images designed the same way as the android images are in terms of software hardware meshing?
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Now I know nothing about this beyond the fact that porting the ARM version over the x86 version would be significantly easier (and probably the only port that would work).
So am I right in assuming that if there is an ARM release some point soon, that it could, given the right amount of time, definitely be ported to run on our Devices?
Completely forgot about the ARM situation. I agree, hopefully they will release the ARM source in beta rather than waiting until the RCs or Finals.
If the ARM edition is released in .IMG format it may be possible with Fastboot. I would think that since LIV2 was able to boot into Debian in this post : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138661 it would be rather similar to do.
^^ You are right..... However the main problem will be trying to shoehorn a full windows OS into our limited system partition, one would assume that at least a gigabyte would be required for a full install......
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win 8 on a samsung tab http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxJQotodEVQ&feature=player_embedded
i would be very interested in this... moreover it would be awesome as dual boots.... i really enjoy honeycomb and android is awesome... but windows/ubuntu dual boot along side it will be the ultimate machine lol
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win 8 on a samsung tab http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxJQotodEVQ&feature=player_embedded
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Be careful with that...... It's not a galaxy tab 10.1 as evidenced by the windows button at the bottom. I'm still going to say its gonna be really difficult to run win8 nativley on our limited internal storage, that's not to say we couldn't run it off an SD card though....... Witch could actually be the best of both worlds, dual booting between android and win8 sounds pretty cool.
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One thing people seem to forget is that it's closed source. You know, there's a reason that Windows Phone 7 isn't ported to Android-devices yet (same for WebOS). It's because it's closed source.
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One thing people seem to forget is that it's closed source. You know, there's a reason that Windows Phone 7 isn't ported to Android-devices yet (same for WebOS). It's because it's closed source.
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Not to mention all of the drivers that we would have to develop or modify any "generic" drivers that are included in the windows 8 release to work on our xooms
but what I would like to say is that once we have a ARM version of win 8, I want ALL of our Devs working on this.
I don't think any dev will pick this up. I mean, look at the Ubuntu-thread. Ubuntu is open source and almost all other HC-tablets have an Ubuntu-port now, yet the Xoom still hasn't. So if they don't care for open source Ubuntu, then I don't think any dev will try closed source Win8.
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Be careful with that...... It's not a galaxy tab 10.1 as evidenced by the windows button at the bottom. I'm still going to say its gonna be really difficult to run win8 nativley on our limited internal storage, that's not to say we couldn't run it off an SD card though....... Witch could actually be the best of both worlds, dual booting between android and win8 sounds pretty cool.
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i understand, it says in the title of video samsung t700 tablet, i know it's not the galaxy tab
i blame the high price of the xoom. Nobody who WOULD be able to provide dev work probably can't afford to purchase one. Most other tablets are 100 dollars or more cheaper
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i blame the high price of the xoom. Nobody who WOULD be able to provide dev work probably can't afford to purchase one. Most other tablets are 100 dollars or more cheaper
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The Galaxy Tab already has an Ubuntu-port and more ROMS available. Still, the price is the same as the Xoom's price. Even the Acer Iconia has more ROMS and stuff and yes, it's cheaper, but worldwide more Xoom's have been sold then the Acer-ones. So that is quite strange.
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I've been browing the interwebs today, and I saw a little article about Windows 8. It reminded me that Windows 8 was going to be built from the up to support ARM devices. Given the power of ARM devices now (Tegra 2, OMAP dual-core, Apple A5, etc.) It wouldn't be unfeasible to see this in the future? How many people would like to use Windows 8 instead of webtop mode on the Atrix? I'm just rambling on, but it's a neat thought.
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I've been browing the interwebs today, and I saw a little article about Windows 8. It reminded me that Windows 8 was going to be built from the up to support ARM devices. Given the power of ARM devices now (Tegra 2, OMAP dual-core, Apple A5, etc.) It wouldn't be unfeasible to see this in the future? How many people would like to use Windows 8 instead of webtop mode on the Atrix? I'm just rambling on, but it's a neat thought.
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I think windows phones only support certain drivers for cpus and gpus so if they don't support it I think your SOL regardless of how powerful it is. Kinda how if you bought the best graphics card available but didn't have a driver you might as well have integrated graphics (probably worse than that)
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Double post sorry.
I'm not talking about Windows Phone. Windows Phone 7 is a completely different beast, and I know that mainly Snapdragon CPUs are supported at this time, and probably Adreno 200-205 GPUs.
I'm talking about Windows 8, the next version of windows, slated to come out in maybe 2012, probably 2013.
Here's a link I just searched, can't find the one I originally saw:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20026429-64.html?tag=mncol;9n
If by ARM devices they mean ANY ARM device, then we're in luck. Even if it only supports a certain ARM architecture, Cortex A9 will be fairly prevalent during the time Windows 8 would come out, so it's very likely Tegra 2 would be supported in the OS.
Ohhhh, ok gotcha sorry!
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+1 on being able to run any version of windows on my atrix lapdock! I've got the debian linux stuff running but I've always had a thing for windows (especially 7 now) and all the programs I run on it. I would surely discard my laptop given the ability to run windows on the lapdock!
I'd love to see a dual boot option once windows 8 does come out
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This would be cool too see, but by the time windows 8 comes out we will all have the next gen Atrix with the tegra3 quadcore or equivalent.
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+1 on being able to run any version of windows on my atrix lapdock! I've got the debian linux stuff running but I've always had a thing for windows (especially 7 now) and all the programs I run on it. I would surely discard my laptop given the ability to run windows on the lapdock!
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Windows 8 (ARM-build) will not immediately mean you can run any windows programs on it. Programs will have to be compiled for ARM support, just like anything else. It's possible MS may try to streamline it by having some form of on-the-fly x86 emulation but that would be way too demanding for most mobile ARM implementations.
It is unlikely to have many apps or drivers. Open source operating systems are much quicker and easier to port.
Steveg, I think microsoft specifically started that they would not emulate x86 in arm, and that if you wanted a program to work, you had to make sure it compiled in arm.
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Doesn't the webtop work by running an x-server off the existing android kernel and using modified ubuntu components? (I may be entirely wrong on this.)
If so, I we can't use the android kernel to boot Windows and we can't run both kernels concurrently. The only way I see this working is actually booting into a Windows 8 kernel (given Microsoft or more likely nVidia provide drivers), but in that case we wouldn't be running Android and thus probably would be restricted in terms of phone functionality.
Anyone with more webtop experience have any ideas?
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Doesn't the webtop work by running an x-server off the existing android kernel and using modified ubuntu components? (I may be entirely wrong on this.)
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This is correct, except that the Android and Webtop environments both use the same *Linux* kernel.
If you wanted to run Windows 8 on the webtop, you'd have to either run it across the board or run it in some sort of virtualized machine.
Impossible. Won't ever happen. You know how they say there's no such thing as a dumb question? This thread tests that theory. Sorry buddy!
(Why? There's a litany of reasons: no driver support, no access to source code, Windows 8 is very far from being finished, no driver support, I doubt any devs would be willing to take the project, no drivers, and did I mention that the hardware for the Atrix and webtop doesn't have any NT/Windows drivers? )
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Impossible. Won't ever happen. You know how they say there's no such thing as a dumb question? This thread tests that theory. Sorry buddy!
(Why? There's a litany of reasons: no driver support, no access to source code, Windows 8 is very far from being finished, no driver support, I doubt any devs would be willing to take the project, no drivers, and did I mention that the hardware for the Atrix and webtop doesn't have any NT/Windows drivers? )
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Today I will name you "Negative Nancy".
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Today I will name you "Negative Nancy".
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Debbie downer has a point tho
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Debbie downer has a point tho
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true true
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Kal-el is rumored to be the ARM architecture that Microsoft showed off their Windows 8 demos on. nVidia has stated they intend to have ARM chips with Windows 8 support. It's entirely possible that they'll only release Windows 8 drivers for Tegra 3, but I see no reason why anyone can know for sure that nVidia won't provide Tegra 2 driver support. All this talk about it being impossible seems incredibly premature given nVidia's Windows 8 pledge.
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Okay, either you misunderstand me, our you are replying to someone else in this thread. Of course there its no source code yet. It's not finished. I was just throwing out an idea that if nvidia releases the drivers once windows for arm is released, then maybe instead of the linux webtop, we could use the windows 8 environment.
Edit: And the xda app doesn't quote replies.
As for windows 8 being run on I kal el,
yea, that's probably what will end up happening, but hey, we can dream, right?
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Okay, either you misunderstand me, our you are replying to someone else in this thread. Of course there its no source code yet. It's not finished. I was just throwing out an idea that if nvidia releases the drivers once windows for arm is released, then maybe instead of the linux webtop, we could use the windows 8 environment.
Edit: And the xda app doesn't quote replies.
As for windows 8 being run on I kal el,
yea, that's probably what will end up happening, but hey, we can dream, right?
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There's no source code yet? yet? it will never be! MS won't release its main product source code. It's just impossible, or totally impractical. I don't know if developers would be interested on this.
This thread is not the focal point for all discussions relating to running Win7, Win8 or WinAnything on the Tab 10.1.
It has been formed by merging some of the largest and oldest Windows-on-Tab threads into one.
Windows 7 or Windows 8 on Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1?
Hello
Is it possible to install Windows 7 or Windows 8 on a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1?
Thank you in advance.
Windows 7 doesn't work on the processor inside the tab. Windows 8 will but that version hasn't been released. Only the intel version has.
Would love Windows 8 on my tab.
Watch this space, I guess...
S galaxy 10.1 and win 8 possible?
I have heard that windows 8 is gonna support the intel chip in the samsung galaxy tablet 10.1. will it be possible to install this OS on this tablet someday..
Jesper.
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I have heard that windows 8 is gonna support the intel chip in the samsung galaxy tablet 10.1. will it be possible to install this OS on this tablet someday..
Jesper.
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For starters....it isn't an Intel chip in the 10.1. Its the NVIDIA Tegra 2.
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Nvidia is Intel....
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Hmm sorry but i am not sure if its intel! .. but the main thing is will it be possible to install windows 8. it would be fantastic.. i think its a ARM-based chipset but heard that it shuld be similar to the Tegra 2..
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Nvidia is Intel....
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Umm.... What?!
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Nvidia is Intel....
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Errr... nVidia is most certainly NOT Intel!
No back to the thread - why on earth would you want to put Windows, aka bloatware, on an Android Tab?
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Errr... nVidia is most certainly NOT Intel!
No back to the thread - why on earth would you want to put Windows, aka bloatware, on an Android Tab?
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And i ask why not??
Why the hell do someone want to put android on a iphone! and some one did!
I think it would be cool.. but i dont think you are not a windows fan.. lol!
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And i ask why not??
Why the hell do someone want to put android on a iphone! and some one did!
I think it would be cool.. but i dont think you are not a windows fan.. lol!
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I wouldnt want windows 8 on my tablet...but I can see why some people might be interested.
nvidia is not intel though. they may licence some technologies from each other, but they aren't one and the same. If they were. then why would intel be bothering with the medfield chips?
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Nvidia is Intel....
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Errr... nVidia is most certainly NOT Intel!
No back to the thread - why on earth would you want to put Windows, aka bloatware, on an Android Tab?
But you haven't answered the question? I asked why on earth would you want to put Windows 8 on an android tablet?
It seems silly to me that's all - but that's just my opinion
If dual boot was possible why would u not want to put win 8 or any other OS on it? I thought that was the point of being "open" why do so many touchpad users want android???
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Errr... nVidia is most certainly NOT Intel!
No back to the thread - why on earth would you want to put Windows, aka bloatware, on an Android Tab?
But you haven't answered the question? I asked why on earth would you want to put Windows 8 on an android tablet?
It seems silly to me that's all - but that's just my opinion
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Actually windows8 might surprise you. it is not bloatware as in previous windows
Nvidia uses arm architecture intel uses x86. Windows 8 is being designed to support lean hardware like ARM based SoC. It will supports 2 modes - traditional windows called desktop mode and touch based called metro. Its tile based metro UI is more elegant than android and shoul work with both x86 and arm devices. X86 will habe an edge as it will work woth traditional windows as well as Metro while arm can only work with metro assuming they fix all the headaches related to arm
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Errr... nVidia is most certainly NOT Intel!
No back to the thread - why on earth would you want to put Windows, aka bloatware, on an Android Tab?
But you haven't answered the question? I asked why on earth would you want to put Windows 8 on an android tablet?
It seems silly to me that's all - but that's just my opinion
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Why should i answer that question.. The only thing you are saying is that windows 8 is silly.. ????? And the Answer is that i dont think so.. lol. I just like to try everything to have a oppionon. Im not a FANBOY! that just try one thing only.
and you are calling it android tablet why? its a samsung galaxy tablet 10.1 and i like to call it windows tablet soon. hehe
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Why should i answer that question.. The only thing you are saying is that windows 8 is silly.. ????? And the Answer is that i dont think so.. lol. I just like to try everything to have a oppionon. Im not a FANBOY! that just try one thing only.
and you are calling it android tablet why? its a samsung galaxy tablet 10.1 and i like to call it windows tablet soon. hehe
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Me too! This is a Samsung tab that runs Android. Not an Android tab made by Samsung! If dual boot is possible I want it!
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Well sorry to blow out your dreams but Windows 8 ARM wont isnt coming 'til 2013 and it WONT be available as OEM or retail disc in any way.
It will be embedded into the slabs, just like Android.
But since it is NOT open source, you just will NOT be able to add it afterwords.
THERE WILL BE NO WINDOWS ON THE GTAB 10.1. EVER.
Dual-Booting a Windows 8 ARM tablet with Android might be possible, but not the opposite.
That being said; just wait to see the price of the Windows-based slabs; itll be a good 200$ over the comparable Android-based slab.
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Well sorry to blow out your dreams but Windows 8 ARM wont isnt coming 'til 2013 and it WONT be available as OEM or retail disc in any way.
It will be embedded into the slabs, just like Android.
But since it is NOT open source, you just will NOT be able to add it afterwords.
THERE WILL BE NO WINDOWS ON THE GTAB 10.1. EVER.
Dual-Booting a Windows 8 ARM tablet with Android might be possible, but not the opposite.
That being said; just wait to see the price of the Windows-based slabs; itll be a good 200$ over the comparable Android-based slab.
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Unfortunately, I agree with everything here, except the word "ever." I think there will be folks rocking the GT10 when Win8 gets leaked and built, but by then this will be a "legacy device." I'm really looking forward to having a windows 8 tablet, but it won't be the galaxy tab 10.1
yep microsoft UEFI Secure Boot technology might make it near impossible to dual boot win 8 and android ON devices built for windows8 - but i have faith in the dev community to port Win 8 onto android first devices- not that i would use it anyway
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Well sorry to blow out your dreams but Windows 8 ARM wont isnt coming 'til 2013 and it WONT be available as OEM or retail disc in any way.
It will be embedded into the slabs, just like Android.
But since it is NOT open source, you just will NOT be able to add it afterwords.
THERE WILL BE NO WINDOWS ON THE GTAB 10.1. EVER.
Dual-Booting a Windows 8 ARM tablet with Android might be possible, but not the opposite.
That being said; just wait to see the price of the Windows-based slabs; itll be a good 200$ over the comparable Android-based slab.
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Crap totally foregot about microsoft UEFI Secure Boot technology!
but when the windows 8 tablet are out..
i just buy a windows tablet ;-). And sell my lovely SG tab 1.10. but ICS is gonna be great to!
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Am I being wholly unrealistic on this or could we hope to see Windows 8 run on these sluggish XOOMs ?
It seems like the hardware is not massively different?
Possibility or impossibility?
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Would be nice, no idea what the requirements are for Win8 tho..
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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Tiamat is pretty darn fast.... then ADW ex makes it even faster.
Id be happy with a chroot of win8
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With the dev preview only being x86/64 at the moment we will have to wait for the ARM version to be released before anything can be done on the Xoom. I cant wait to see if there are any devs that can get it going.....a dual boot with ICS would be fantastic
I am sure it is faster when rooted and overclocked ... just haven't got round to doing it yet ... kind of resent having to do it to get a user experience that might be close to acceptable
I know that there is no arm preview yet but I believe the min spec is detailed ... are there any things we fall short of?
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guys, I'd hate to burst your bubbles, but there were around 4 posts about win 8 on the xoom and all of them came to the conclusion that it wouldn't work, or at least, very unlikely. Windows is closed source. Its not like Ubuntu or any other Linux distro that we can modify.
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I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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There was a bunch of windows 8 topics on xoom but not looking good. And development will get better overall on xoom when ics comes out because you have to remember, honeycomb source wasn't released and never will be. Ics will be open source though.
Android may soon do more than windows can. By the time WIN8 comes out in arm form android will be on key lime pie.
What really is needed is a full Linux version for the Xoom. Linux is already available for ARM CPUs. But what is needed is the kernel patch for the Xoom, and the hardware drivers.
Stop pining for windows, as there are already plenty of gadgets with it on it. I just purchased a Azpen X1 tablet. The 16GB drive is so small, that I ran out of space the first time that I ran the windows update!! I got a 32GB drive for it, and will install Ubuntu on it. I use Linux for everything, and found that windows is very over rated.
Not sure how Windows is "over rated" ... it seems everyone is out to say mac/ios/linux is better than it. If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
ICS may improve things but it still doesn't feel like the direction android is headed in is where I hoped/expected in terms of offering tablet optimized/specific applications.
Windows 8 looks a lot more like the tablet os I would like to use ... I guess time will tell.
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If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
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At first I intended to give 16GB to each OS. But since widows barely fits on 16 GB, I decided against it.
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I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
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What other tablets like the Xoom run windows? Windows only runs on the Intel family of CPUs (and clones), while most tablets have an ARM CPU.
samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.
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samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.
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Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate
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Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate
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lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.
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lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.
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Look at it this way, most other hc tablets have a port of Ubuntu, which is open source, and we don't. If nobody wants Ubuntu enough to work with the open source os, who is going to work with closed source windows 8?
That is another thing that I just dont get ... it really feels like my best informed choice to get the XOOM was the wrong one. Moto are not pushing the development and user experience like I had hoped and the dev community hasn't been set alight either :-(
Still I hope we see some stuff soon. For now I will just have to try one of the few android roms
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From what I understand, it is built off of ARM processors and our tablets run off of them as well. The public beta was just released but need work for tablet based devices. Pretty much later this year. Would you guus love it or hate it?
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE81S0CD20120229?irpc=932
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I'd absolutely love it. The enterprise integration would simply remove the limitations android has in the corporate environment i use daily. I'd love to jump on this bandwagon!
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They still haven't released an arm version yet (unless you are looking somewhere I haven't seen.) x86 and 64 bit are all that seem to be available here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso
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I'd absolutely love it. The enterprise integration would simply remove the limitations android has in the corporate environment i use daily. I'd love to jump on this bandwagon!
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ARM builds of Windows 8 will , at least initially, be limited in enterprise: http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/29/2833193/windows-8-arm-enterprise-management
What do you find lacking in Android ICS for enterprise? A good run-down of everything it's added in support of enterprise can be found here.
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They still haven't released an arm version yet (unless you are looking somewhere I haven't seen.) x86 and 64 bit are all that seem to be available here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso
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That's why I stated later this year. Dual booting ICS and Windows will give me the ultimate tablet.
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That's why I stated later this year. Dual booting ICS and Windows will give me the ultimate tablet.
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I also want this. But, unfortunately, it probably won't be possible on ARM hardware without some serious hacks: Windows 8 secure boot
The more likely scenario is getting an x86 build of Android dual-booting with a Windows 8 tablet/laptop.
yes i love ittttttttttttttttttt
So I've Been a Big fan of Ubuntu for a while and I was thrilled to see that they will be releasing a phone OS sometime hopefully soon. Since I have the laptop dock I have always wanted to try to put full ubuntu on it. However that never fully worked on and had to be done on a blur based rom. I love the new JB rom I have on my phone as It performs well. But at the end of the video 21:00 Mark Shuttleworth, the Founder of Ubuntu stated that Ubuntu Phone runs on ARM based chips and Android Kenerals and Drivers.
I'm just wondering Who else would love to see this run and be compatible on the atrix AND the dock. If we still have a decent amount of developers I'm sure this is more than possible.
Heres the Link for the video:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
Just putting the idea out there, but if there are any developers capable of this I'd be more than happy to support.
phone spesification is enough for run and if canonical is behind this i think its possible
I was about to post this as a new thread but when I saw this thread I decided to post it in here.
Happy New Year!
According to the video below Ubuntu for Phones will be compatible with any Android designed-hardware. If I understood it correctly, Atrix last chance is with Ubuntu for Phones for sure.
http://www.androidcentral.com/canonical-announces-its-ubuntu-smartphone-os
I have already said that once before that one reason the OEMs lock the bootloader of their phones is to prevent other platforms to be installed to shorten the life of the devices.
Millions of capable Android devices have already been abandoned due to lack of software support which I blame Google directly to allow the implementation of Wild Wild West on Android platform. The only loser in Android world is and will always be the consumers. Ubuntu for Phones will be the left jab that Google didn't see coming. I personally looking forward to see what Ubuntu for Phones can bring this year.
Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014
Seems BBC covered the story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868
and in the article says that it will be released for the samsung galaxy nexus. porting from that to the Atrix may be hard, but it should be like CyanogenMod a little. So thats a little boost to say the least.
I also emailed canonical and showed interest in helping with the project especially with the lapdock capabilities, so ill let you guys know what I get back from them, and If its any useful Ill be sure to forward it to every developer possible.
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Yes it's possible for our Atrix, jus read that :
"Easier hardware enablement
We have teams based in Taipei, Shanghai, London, Beijing and Boston to engage with your engineering and factory operations – and their sole focus is to deliver a crisp Ubuntu experience on your device.
Ubuntu has already been adapted to run on chipsets using the ARM and Intel x86 architectures relevant for mobile devices, with the core system based around a typical Android Board Support Package (BSP). So chipset vendors and hardware manufacturers do not need to invest in or maintain new hardware support packages for Ubuntu on smartphones. In short, if you already make handsets that run Android, the work needed to adopt Ubuntu will be trivial."
So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information
leclercqsteeven said:
So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information
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Yep, we have Ubuntu drivers but we're not sure we will be able to use them. But indeed the project of having Ubuntu running as main OS on the Atrix is realistic as we have all the material (HW and SW) required for this, if our devs know how to use them, but I think a whole team would be required for a project this big. It's not just a port of Cyanogen, it's not about taking a kernel and some drivers and snap them with a more recent UI and newer apps. We only got a kernel and an X server, it's far enough but the thing is that this X server was published to run on dev platforms. But also know it can be used on an Atrix, but how to integrate it with a whole new platform ? It will require time mostly. I think. And devs. But we don't have many devs so we only have hope. But maybe the devs on XDA will look more at the Atrix and Webtop.
CSharpHeaven said:
Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014
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Actually it's supposed to be available late 2013 - according to lifehacker....
http://lifehacker.com/5972559/the-ubuntu-mobile-os-introduced-today-coming-to-phones-in-2014
The Ubuntu Phones that ship with the OS will most likely be available in 2013 in the UK, and will clear american shores in Hopefully late 2013, but most likely will arrive around early 2014.
The OS itself will most likely clear for deployment sometime soon for the samsung galaxy nexus, as for a universal build I'm not sure If/when that will be available, so most likely we will have to see if one can be constructed for the atrix.
As far as the lack of developers, I fell that any and all developers that are still in possession of an operational atrix will want to test this, especially on a phone that isnt their daily driver and has capabilities of bringing back a strong webtop front.
absolutely possible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY
i like the ubuntu webtop, its run smooth and fast :good:
I think the atrix should be able to run it. just not mine unless the new bootloader gets figured out
Well I really think that Ubuntu can run on the Atrix, because they share the same idea, which is killed by Google: The webtop.
We just plug the phone into a dock, connect it to a monitor and that's it. Besides, the original webtop is just a big browser without many supported applications.
Several webtop-mods have shown that it is possible to run a full Debian or Ubuntu Linux on the phone.
And having one OS for mutliple devices is the stratagy that Microsoft now tries with Windows 8 on Tablets. But other than Windows, Ubuntu really got the chance to do it right.
Possible to run, but...
Well, I'm sure, it won't be a real problem to run the Ubuntu phone OS on Atrix 4g, IMHO, I'm really suprised, they used Atrix 2 and his adventages in testing. It's but I'm sure, HW would not work on 100%. Everyone knows, what is a problem with HWA drivers fot ICS+ even on android. Fingerprint drivers will be problem too... the best roms are (at least in my opinion) GB ones. This is the "tax" we pay for extraordinary HW in Atrix 4G.
Another problem in optimalization is the date of release (futher in future...who knows, how many devs will stay..)
This OS already has its own section on xda and it hasn't even been released yet lol anyways u can share your thoughts on Ubuntu for phone here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2082789
Phone Slow? go HERE
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Like I said If I got an email back I would let you guys know and sure enough it came and here it is
Thank you very much for your interest towards Ubuntu on smartphones. We have received an incredible response and have been overwhelmed with the general positive feedback! Responses both from the general public and the industry have been far greater that we expected.
In order to make Ubuntu a truly fantastic smartphone experience we will be initially working with manufacturers who will build Ubuntu into their hardware. We anticipate market availability of Ubuntu on smartphones towards the end of 2013.
To reach this goal, and offer a great experience for future consumers, our first priority will be to respond to industry inquiries from manufacturers/OEMs, silicon partners, developers and mobile operators. If you are a potential industry partner, we’d like to learn more about you. Please register your interest through our web form: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/contact-us
If you are a mobile apps developer, and want to learn how you can help bring Ubuntu to the phone, you can also find more information on:
http://developer.ubuntu.com/gomobile
We are all excited about Ubuntu for phones, but it will take some time to get into the marketplace. If you leave us your email and country details, we will let you know when there is further news:
https://forms.canonical.com/manhattan/
Once again, thank you for your interest in Ubuntu!
Yours sincerely,
The Ubuntu for smartphones team at Canonical
Pretty much everything you could have read up on :/
Greetings to all on this New Year!!!(Almost late!)
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!
While it's possible from a technical standpoint, I just don't see the developer interest which is a shame really, since the device's only weakness is the lack of updates.
Dav0 said:
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!
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This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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Hai_Duong said:
This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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You'd probably have to have /home on the internal sdcard to use /osh for installing Ubuntu.
Funny that this is the third thread in the last few days talking about using stand-alone Ubuntu on the device.
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samcripp said:
No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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I mean like webtop in atrix just docking u phone and start Ubuntu version 12.04 and not 9.04 jaunty . And a small question: why does nobody can make it work? there are big changes to make it work I think. Dual boot is without a proof not working for me
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